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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    P10 wrote: »
    the issue is goblins and orcs and drow are sapient and the game is trying to come up with an excuse to have ultra-violence
    (for stuff like mindflayers, or demons, it is less problematic although the terms they use are still annoying - its less 'evil' and more 'going to come in conflict with humanoids')

    mindflayer ethicists in deep arguments

    well these humanoids have no telepathy it's not like they can even feel pain as we know it while we devour their psyche

    yes but they appear to react to stimulus and seem distressed by the mindshattering, surely we can surmise that they are cognizant of the process at some level

    okay but their mental energies are so fucking tasty is the thing

    Man when the psionics expansion dropped I bet mindflayers were either terrified or super fucking pumped.

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    i think the argument was that the outrage over killing the gorilla also implies the gorilla's life was worth more than a black child's

    let me just fix that one right up and I can agree with it

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Where's my Xena reboot, damnit? I recall being promised a Xena reboot.
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Grape Ape wrote: »
    We all agree that the massive outcry over shooting the gorilla is a little racist, right?

    wat

    the boy who fell in was black i believe, and there was a ton of "mother should bear all the responsibility for the gorillas death, how dare she not pay attention to her kid for 5 seconds, what a terrible mother, send her to jail, etc etc etc"

    there was considerable backlash

    What was the mother doing when the baby jumped the railing? Did security cameras at the zoo pick up her location at the time of the incident?

    do you know how fast kids can move when they decide to do something they know they're not supposed to? No one is perfect. That some people are lucky enough to never experience terrible consequences from losing sight of a kid for 1 minute does not mean that the people who do are necessarily irresponsible or evil.

    If the child had been properly restrained in its enclosure the tragedy would never have happened.

    I'm not saying the mom is evil, but maybe with her next kid she'll leave them at home in 4-point restraints while she visits the zoo.

    Just sayin

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    i think the argument was that the outrage over killing the gorilla also implies the gorilla's life was worth more than a black child's

    people seem to think the gorilla could have been subdued somehow instead of killed

    because people don't know how gorillas work

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    @credeiki

    I opened about 5 loot cases

    I got a whole bunch of sprays and a red lucio skin I think

    I was pretty annoyed

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    I don't know what it means, but when I read/heard the talk about the mother I just assumed she must be black.

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    y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    i think the argument was that the outrage over killing the gorilla also implies the gorilla's life was worth more than a black child's

    let me just fix that one right up and I can agree with it

    this is where it becomes how do you believe the reaction would've gone with a white child in there, which is where all the nastiness in these arguments starts, in any of these racial incidents

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited August 2016
    Bought a few decent looking 1x4x6 red oak boards from the hardware store and took them to the cabin this weekend.

    Ended up with two workable bows.

    One is an English Long Bow or War Bow (long and skinny) and the other is a pyramid bow.

    The ELB already started forming a splinter but I worked around it and I've started backing it. It'll be about 45lbs at 25 inches (draw length) and the other will be 50lbs when I'm done with it
    Work

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    More work

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    Learning "bow math"

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    Someone else volunteered to draw it back first in case it exploded.

    Thankfully it did not

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    Someone else volunteered to draw it back first in case it exploded.

    Thankfully it did not

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    Donkey KongDonkey Kong Putting Nintendo out of business with AI nips Registered User regular
    The Harambe meme is definitely just making fun of the hysterically disproportionate response of the Internet to the death of a zoo animal shot to protect a human life. The race angle, both the race mother and comparison to police shootings, is real too but that's just a cherry on top. Not everyone saying Harambe shit is tuned in to that.

    In all a thouroughly baffling meme, I give dicks out for Harambe a 5/7

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    LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    i think the argument was that the outrage over killing the gorilla also implies the gorilla's life was worth more than a black child's

    let me just fix that one right up and I can agree with it

    this is where it becomes how do you believe the reaction would've gone with a white child in there, which is where all the nastiness in these arguments starts, in any of these racial incidents

    I'll say this

    We'd know the white kids name and their favorite superhero for sure

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    LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    Little Skylar was so brave while being held hostage by Harambe

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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    I don't know what it means, but when I read/heard the talk about the mother I just assumed she must be black.

    good news you were right!

    good?

    well, you were right, at least, so that's good

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    It's fun to play an Atheist in D&D.

    Clerics all "I am literally channeling the divine power of my god. Who was hanging out, in person, at our main shine last month." and you're all "nuh uh you're all frauds!"

    it's kind of hard to be an atheist when someone can just go "hey pelor, show this infidel what's what" and pelor literally shows up like bam, checkmate loser

    A bit late but Ive seen it played; they were an atheist cleric of some ideology and basically believed all other clerics were also channeling their personal ideology through god-figures instead of accepting that divine energy is available for anybody with talent and conviction to use as they want.

    Interesting character all around.

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    I don't know what it means, but when I read/heard the talk about the mother I just assumed she must be black.

    I honestly did not know the race of the mother/child until just now. I do remember the backlash against the mom at the time of the incident but I just mentally chalked it up to "people without kids don't actually understand what kids are like and have unreasonable expectations".

    I did a little reading up on the zoos response, because I too was upset about the death of an endangered gorilla but the zoos position that a tranq gun would not have been fast-acting enough to ensure the kid didn't get killed seemed p reasonable and I chalked the whole thing up to "well that sucks" and then forgot about it.

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    credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    credeiki

    I opened about 5 loot cases

    I got a whole bunch of sprays and a red lucio skin I think

    I was pretty annoyed

    Yeah, I think I don't play enough for me to play with a focus on getting cool loot or farming loot boxes. It's better to just see the loot boxes as occurring periodically, and if something neat pops out of them, awesome, and it not, whatever, that's not really the point. Otherwise it becomes frustrating (like the unrealistic expectation that I would get a skin I wanted from <10 olympic loot boxes, which, when not met, made me annoyed, which is stupid).

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    i think the argument was that the outrage over killing the gorilla also implies the gorilla's life was worth more than a black child's

    let me just fix that one right up and I can agree with it

    this is where it becomes how do you believe the reaction would've gone with a white child in there, which is where all the nastiness in these arguments starts, in any of these racial incidents

    I'll say this

    We'd know the white kids name and their favorite superhero for sure

    What if it was Luke Cage.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    i hadn't noticed the coverage about the mother being particularly racially biased or whatever

    but i also might not be as sensitive to it, what with not having grown up experiencing racism directly my entire life

    people seem to shit on the mother/father pretty equally when these incidents happen as far as i've seen

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    credeiki wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    credeiki

    I opened about 5 loot cases

    I got a whole bunch of sprays and a red lucio skin I think

    I was pretty annoyed

    Yeah, I think I don't play enough for me to play with a focus on getting cool loot or farming loot boxes. It's better to just see the loot boxes as occurring periodically, and if something neat pops out of them, awesome, and it not, whatever, that's not really the point. Otherwise it becomes frustrating (like the unrealistic expectation that I would get a skin I wanted from <10 olympic loot boxes, which, when not met, made me annoyed, which is stupid).

    The worst part is new accounts had a better chance to get more skins than me, that's what makes me annoyed more than anything.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    i think the alignment mechanic makes sense in the context of, say, a cleric and their relationship to their god, and how they can't just go on a murder spree if that's not the teaching of their god or whatever

    but for most characters i don't think alignment really matters and if you wanted it to matter i think it would make more sense to have some sort of reputation mechanic where word of your deeds gets round so people think you're a monster if you just go on murder sprees all the time or they think you're a nice fellow if you save people from dungeons or whatever

    It's just a storybuilding shortcut. It does have some (easily altered) implications in the mechanics like the Detect X or Protection from X spells, but ultimately it only matters how much the DM and the players want it to matter.

    For a group of experienced, adult roleplayers, nah, it probably doesn't matter. The character can have a more nuanced ideology than just being slotted into one of nine viewpoints, the DM and the player can decide how to work within that nuanced and ideology and determine when someone is starting to act too much out of character.

    Of course, D&D is meant for kids, too. And for a group of kids who want to get started roleplaying and don't have any experience, alignments can be a guiding hand in creating a cohesive character.
    Chanus wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    It's fun to play an Atheist in D&D.

    Clerics all "I am literally channeling the divine power of my god. Who was hanging out, in person, at our main shine last month." and you're all "nuh uh you're all frauds!"

    it's kind of hard to be an atheist when someone can just go "hey pelor, show this infidel what's what" and pelor literally shows up like bam, checkmate loser

    I think it'd be just as easy as in real life.

    Magic exists. If someone prays to Pelor and then a lightning bolt strikes some non-believer, who's to say it's actually a prayer fulfilled by the gods rather than a spell?

    Maybe the cleric is a fraud, trying to use magic to con people into joining his church so he can gain temporal power. Or maybe he's been conned himself, and Pelor is just a very powerful wizard. The line is blurred further in certain settings and storylines. Forgotten Realms has huge events whenever a new D&D iteration comes out, so they can "reset" the world to match the new ruleset; one of these big events involved the gods returning to Toril and becoming very powerful mortals. Some gods died (which led to the plot of Baldur's Gate), and some mortal became gods. When that's the biggest and most personal interaction with the gods that Toril has ever seen, why should a resident assume there is anything truly special about the divine?

    I think it'd depend a lot on implementation of the magic system and divinity, too. In some settings, the church itself might admit that the god they worship is just a powerful magic user, and the concept of actual divinity doesn't exist. It wouldn't make sense to distinguish between atheism and theism in those settings. In other settings, we might see powerful examples of divinity as its own thing, like an all-powerful monotheistic entity (like Ao in the Forgotten Realms, although Ao keeps himself hidden and most mortals don't know he exists). It would still be possible to be an atheist in that setting, but much harder, because you might have specific examples setting the divine apart from more typical wizards.

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    TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Grape Ape wrote: »
    We all agree that the massive outcry over shooting the gorilla is a little racist, right?

    wat

    the boy who fell in was black i believe, and there was a ton of "mother should bear all the responsibility for the gorillas death, how dare she not pay attention to her kid for 5 seconds, what a terrible mother, send her to jail, etc etc etc"

    there was considerable backlash

    The same thing happened with that white kid eaten by a croc at Disneyland

    There certainly were people saying that, but at no point did the zeitgeist become about the crocodile. There is absolutely a racial component to the harambe shit.

    I'm gonna lean towards "but not really tho"

    Tav, I appreciate that racial tension and stuff like that may not be part of your reality, but you do not live in the states.

    Really, tho. You just don't have the same perspective. Period.

    I get that you're super enlightened now but take it down a notch, yeah?

    I don't pretend to understand tensions between catholics and protestants like you do.

    Do you think I'm pretending to understand a meme and how it was perceieved by the Internet and people outside of the south?

    Have you considered you're overcompensating for living in a racist shithole by being vocal about how progressive you are?

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    GatorGator An alligator in Scotland Registered User regular
    I had no idea about the Harambe situation up until, like, two days ago

    But I already knew about the Harambe meme

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    i hadn't noticed the coverage about the mother being particularly racially biased or whatever

    but i also might not be as sensitive to it, what with not having grown up experiencing racism directly my entire life

    people seem to shit on the mother/father pretty equally when these incidents happen as far as i've seen

    The alligator one, for instance, pretty much was "damn those parents were idiots, there's a sign right there, oh well" for the 3-4 days it was also in the news.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    credeiki

    I opened about 5 loot cases

    I got a whole bunch of sprays and a red lucio skin I think

    I was pretty annoyed

    Yeah, I think I don't play enough for me to play with a focus on getting cool loot or farming loot boxes. It's better to just see the loot boxes as occurring periodically, and if something neat pops out of them, awesome, and it not, whatever, that's not really the point. Otherwise it becomes frustrating (like the unrealistic expectation that I would get a skin I wanted from <10 olympic loot boxes, which, when not met, made me annoyed, which is stupid).

    The worst part is new accounts had a better chance to get more skins than me, that's what makes me annoyed more than anything.

    and new accounts get better deals on cellphones for switching

    and more bonus points than you got when you signed up

    etc. etc.

    That's how you sell shit these days

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Grape Ape wrote: »
    We all agree that the massive outcry over shooting the gorilla is a little racist, right?

    No, I'm pretty sure there is just not much tolerance anymore for endangered species getting shot.

    The situation was tragic and ultimately the zoo didn't do anything inappropriate given the circumstances.

    But people are allowed to be upset about the death of a gorilla because gorillas are on the verge of extinction.

    GorillaZ

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    god i love the name skylar

    it's like the perfect name for upper class hippie parents, its white privilege on display for all to see

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    GatorGator An alligator in Scotland Registered User regular
    Tav wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Grape Ape wrote: »
    We all agree that the massive outcry over shooting the gorilla is a little racist, right?

    wat

    the boy who fell in was black i believe, and there was a ton of "mother should bear all the responsibility for the gorillas death, how dare she not pay attention to her kid for 5 seconds, what a terrible mother, send her to jail, etc etc etc"

    there was considerable backlash

    The same thing happened with that white kid eaten by a croc at Disneyland

    There certainly were people saying that, but at no point did the zeitgeist become about the crocodile. There is absolutely a racial component to the harambe shit.

    I'm gonna lean towards "but not really tho"

    Tav, I appreciate that racial tension and stuff like that may not be part of your reality, but you do not live in the states.

    Really, tho. You just don't have the same perspective. Period.

    I get that you're super enlightened now but take it down a notch, yeah?

    I don't pretend to understand tensions between catholics and protestants like you do.

    Do you think I'm pretending to understand a meme and how it was perceieved by the Internet and people outside of the south?

    Have you considered you're overcompensating for living in a racist shithole by being vocal about how progressive you are?

    On tensions between catholics and protestants, the manager of my local Tesco has 1688 and 1745 tattooed in his arms

    I can picture him being a Rangers hooligan some twenty years ago, ever ready to beat the ever living crap out of those Catholic Celtic scum

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    rockrngerrockrnger Registered User regular
    I always thought the dnd atheist thing was weird caus maybe the guys just wrong.

    People are wrong about stuff they can see all the time. Some People think the world is flat.

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    i think the alignment mechanic makes sense in the context of, say, a cleric and their relationship to their god, and how they can't just go on a murder spree if that's not the teaching of their god or whatever

    but for most characters i don't think alignment really matters and if you wanted it to matter i think it would make more sense to have some sort of reputation mechanic where word of your deeds gets round so people think you're a monster if you just go on murder sprees all the time or they think you're a nice fellow if you save people from dungeons or whatever

    It's just a storybuilding shortcut. It does have some (easily altered) implications in the mechanics like the Detect X or Protection from X spells, but ultimately it only matters how much the DM and the players want it to matter.

    For a group of experienced, adult roleplayers, nah, it probably doesn't matter. The character can have a more nuanced ideology than just being slotted into one of nine viewpoints, the DM and the player can decide how to work within that nuanced and ideology and determine when someone is starting to act too much out of character.

    Of course, D&D is meant for kids, too. And for a group of kids who want to get started roleplaying and don't have any experience, alignments can be a guiding hand in creating a cohesive character.
    Chanus wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    It's fun to play an Atheist in D&D.

    Clerics all "I am literally channeling the divine power of my god. Who was hanging out, in person, at our main shine last month." and you're all "nuh uh you're all frauds!"

    it's kind of hard to be an atheist when someone can just go "hey pelor, show this infidel what's what" and pelor literally shows up like bam, checkmate loser

    I think it'd be just as easy as in real life.

    Magic exists. If someone prays to Pelor and then a lightning bolt strikes some non-believer, who's to say it's actually a prayer fulfilled by the gods rather than a spell?

    Maybe the cleric is a fraud, trying to use magic to con people into joining his church so he can gain temporal power. Or maybe he's been conned himself, and Pelor is just a very powerful wizard. The line is blurred further in certain settings and storylines. Forgotten Realms has huge events whenever a new D&D iteration comes out, so they can "reset" the world to match the new ruleset; one of these big events involved the gods returning to Toril and becoming very powerful mortals. Some gods died (which led to the plot of Baldur's Gate), and some mortal became gods. When that's the biggest and most personal interaction with the gods that Toril has ever seen, why should a resident assume there is anything truly special about the divine?

    I think it'd depend a lot on implementation of the magic system and divinity, too. In some settings, the church itself might admit that the god they worship is just a powerful magic user, and the concept of actual divinity doesn't exist. It wouldn't make sense to distinguish between atheism and theism in those settings. In other settings, we might see powerful examples of divinity as its own thing, like an all-powerful monotheistic entity (like Ao in the Forgotten Realms, although Ao keeps himself hidden and most mortals don't know he exists). It would still be possible to be an atheist in that setting, but much harder, because you might have specific examples setting the divine apart from more typical wizards.

    well, that's kind of the thing

    in a setting where the gods are actually present, it's kind of hard to be like "you frauds, there are no gods!"

    um yes there are, one is standing right over there

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Possession is 9/10 of the law. As far as I'm concerned, the gorilla owned that boy as food by right of conquest.

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    Blameless ClericBlameless Cleric An angel made of sapphires each more flawlessly cut than the last Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »

    The back of his shirt just says "TRUMP THAT BITCH" in enormous letters.

    where are these clips from?

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    The idea there wasn't a racial component to the parental criticisms and even possibly the concern for the gorilla over the child is silly.

    The idea the racial component was explicit is also kinda silly, but nobody is really arguing that.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    god i love the name skylar

    it's like the perfect name for upper class hippie parents, its white privilege on display for all to see

    The name Skylar was perfect for the wife in Breaking Bad.

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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    oh shit speaking of Harambe

    Last night I had a dream that I lived in a boarding house with my wife while she was going back to college. One of the other lodgers was a sentient gorilla, and every time we had a group dinner he would uncomfortably make everything a reference to poaching and how his species is endangered because of human hunting.

    Like someone was all "yeah, it's getting cold soon, do you have a sweater?" And he was all "No, I don't. Also generally your people take the sweater we were born with when they hunt us for our pelts."

    And we would all uncomfortably laugh and get silent.

    Also in the dream the sentient gorilla was describing how yes, gorillas do sweat and I was sitting there thinking "that's complete bullshit" but I wasn't about to argue with a social justice gorilla, so I kept my mouth shut.

    But then I looked it up and apparently gorillas do sweat so uh

    I'm sorry Harambe

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    skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    well, that's kind of the thing

    in a setting where the gods are actually present, it's kind of hard to be like "you frauds, there are no gods!"

    um yes there are, one is standing right over there

    I love this though

    just like nope, that's just a wizard pulling one over on y'all

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    TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    Gator wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    Grape Ape wrote: »
    We all agree that the massive outcry over shooting the gorilla is a little racist, right?

    wat

    the boy who fell in was black i believe, and there was a ton of "mother should bear all the responsibility for the gorillas death, how dare she not pay attention to her kid for 5 seconds, what a terrible mother, send her to jail, etc etc etc"

    there was considerable backlash

    The same thing happened with that white kid eaten by a croc at Disneyland

    There certainly were people saying that, but at no point did the zeitgeist become about the crocodile. There is absolutely a racial component to the harambe shit.

    I'm gonna lean towards "but not really tho"

    Tav, I appreciate that racial tension and stuff like that may not be part of your reality, but you do not live in the states.

    Really, tho. You just don't have the same perspective. Period.

    I get that you're super enlightened now but take it down a notch, yeah?

    I don't pretend to understand tensions between catholics and protestants like you do.

    Do you think I'm pretending to understand a meme and how it was perceieved by the Internet and people outside of the south?

    Have you considered you're overcompensating for living in a racist shithole by being vocal about how progressive you are?

    On tensions between catholics and protestants, the manager of my local Tesco has 1688 and 1745 tattooed in his arms

    I can picture him being a Rangers hooligan some twenty years ago, ever ready to beat the ever living crap out of those Catholic Celtic scum

    Id take Celtic vs Rangers a lot more seriously if they weren't both shit and suffering from big fish in a small pond syndrome.

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    ChelleYeahChelleYeah Mrs. Ludious Living it up in Cinderella's CastleRegistered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    @chelleyeah I just ordered you 16gb of ram and a new 500gb samsung evo SSD

    I didn't ask you because you self flagellate over money spent on you so get over it. I can install the ram when it gets here tomorrow. I will upgrade your hdd and reinstall windows this weekend.

    but.. but....

    ........

    I post Makeup stuff and Schnauzers on instagram.

    Ludious wrote: »
    I react like a dyslexic crash test dummy. Hit the wall then the brakes.
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    credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    i think the alignment mechanic makes sense in the context of, say, a cleric and their relationship to their god, and how they can't just go on a murder spree if that's not the teaching of their god or whatever

    but for most characters i don't think alignment really matters and if you wanted it to matter i think it would make more sense to have some sort of reputation mechanic where word of your deeds gets round so people think you're a monster if you just go on murder sprees all the time or they think you're a nice fellow if you save people from dungeons or whatever

    It's just a storybuilding shortcut. It does have some (easily altered) implications in the mechanics like the Detect X or Protection from X spells, but ultimately it only matters how much the DM and the players want it to matter.

    For a group of experienced, adult roleplayers, nah, it probably doesn't matter. The character can have a more nuanced ideology than just being slotted into one of nine viewpoints, the DM and the player can decide how to work within that nuanced and ideology and determine when someone is starting to act too much out of character.

    Of course, D&D is meant for kids, too. And for a group of kids who want to get started roleplaying and don't have any experience, alignments can be a guiding hand in creating a cohesive character.
    Chanus wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    It's fun to play an Atheist in D&D.

    Clerics all "I am literally channeling the divine power of my god. Who was hanging out, in person, at our main shine last month." and you're all "nuh uh you're all frauds!"

    it's kind of hard to be an atheist when someone can just go "hey pelor, show this infidel what's what" and pelor literally shows up like bam, checkmate loser

    I think it'd be just as easy as in real life.

    Magic exists. If someone prays to Pelor and then a lightning bolt strikes some non-believer, who's to say it's actually a prayer fulfilled by the gods rather than a spell?

    Maybe the cleric is a fraud, trying to use magic to con people into joining his church so he can gain temporal power. Or maybe he's been conned himself, and Pelor is just a very powerful wizard. The line is blurred further in certain settings and storylines. Forgotten Realms has huge events whenever a new D&D iteration comes out, so they can "reset" the world to match the new ruleset; one of these big events involved the gods returning to Toril and becoming very powerful mortals. Some gods died (which led to the plot of Baldur's Gate), and some mortal became gods. When that's the biggest and most personal interaction with the gods that Toril has ever seen, why should a resident assume there is anything truly special about the divine?

    I think it'd depend a lot on implementation of the magic system and divinity, too. In some settings, the church itself might admit that the god they worship is just a powerful magic user, and the concept of actual divinity doesn't exist. It wouldn't make sense to distinguish between atheism and theism in those settings. In other settings, we might see powerful examples of divinity as its own thing, like an all-powerful monotheistic entity (like Ao in the Forgotten Realms, although Ao keeps himself hidden and most mortals don't know he exists). It would still be possible to be an atheist in that setting, but much harder, because you might have specific examples setting the divine apart from more typical wizards.

    well, that's kind of the thing

    in a setting where the gods are actually present, it's kind of hard to be like "you frauds, there are no gods!"

    um yes there are, one is standing right over there

    Bishop from NWN2 is a great atheist NPC, but he's also definitely evil and explicitly wrong. But super cute so it doesn't matter <3

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Arch wrote: »
    oh shit speaking of Harambe

    Last night I had a dream that I lived in a boarding house with my wife while she was going back to college. One of the other lodgers was a sentient gorilla, and every time we had a group dinner he would uncomfortably make everything a reference to poaching and how his species is endangered because of human hunting.

    Like someone was all "yeah, it's getting cold soon, do you have a sweater?" And he was all "No, I don't. Also generally your people take the sweater we were born with when they hunt us for our pelts."

    And we would all uncomfortably laugh and get silent.

    Also in the dream the sentient gorilla was describing how yes, gorillas do sweat and I was sitting there thinking "that's complete bullshit" but I wasn't about to argue with a social justice gorilla, so I kept my mouth shut.

    But then I looked it up and apparently gorillas do sweat so uh

    I'm sorry Harambe

    Please, God, let a dream analyst visit chat and unpack this for the group.

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    zeus is wagging his tail in his sleep

    totes adorbs

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    well, that's kind of the thing

    in a setting where the gods are actually present, it's kind of hard to be like "you frauds, there are no gods!"

    um yes there are, one is standing right over there

    I love this though

    just like nope, that's just a wizard pulling one over on y'all

    dude just last week we stopped asmodeus from opening the gates to the nine hells

    that was all smoke and mirrors and you know it!

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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