“I just don’t think it’s useful to be doing investigation after investigation, particularly of your own party,” he said. “We’ll never even get started with doing the things we need to do like repealing Obamacare if we’re spending our whole time having Republicans investigate Republicans. I think it makes no sense.”
The "real" scandal here, AKA what is different, is that there is hard evidence of a cover-up. This election proved that that is what "dishonesty" means, rather than constantly lying about easily checked facts.
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Trump's base won't stand for an impeachment. They'd all get primaried. 15 establishment candidates and Trump stole their party out from under them. Pence is a sop to independents and moderates, and Ryan's "eat the poor" ideology is so far divorced from the voters' they don't even share custody. As far as the average Republican voter is concerned, an impeachment over Russia would be corrupt GOP politicians falling prey to fake news, and you couldn't convince them otherwise in 10 years, let alone fast enough to fend off a blue wave in 2018. McCain can make all the noise he wants, until there's a smoking gun they're doing jack shit against Trump.
I have to say I'm not terribly happy that America has let this issue fester for so long that the IC is just basically sabotaging the standing government. In this case they're in the right, but its not a great precedent. Although the same could be said about everything these last few months. I'll happily blame Comey and the shitheads on the Intelligence Committee for sleeping on this since like, Fall 2015 at the very least?
I have to say I'm not terribly happy that America has let this issue fester for so long that the IC is just basically sabotaging the standing government. In this case they're in the right, but its not a great precedent. Although the same could be said about everything these last few months. I'll happily blame Comey and the shitheads on the Intelligence Committee for sleeping on this since like, Fall 2015 at the very least?
It should definitely drive home the point for Democrats that they need to refocus their gaze on state governments and Congressional seats. That all this shit is going down and the entire reason nothing is coming out of it is because of the current distribution of power should be a huge wake up call
I have to say I'm not terribly happy that America has let this issue fester for so long that the IC is just basically sabotaging the standing government. In this case they're in the right, but its not a great precedent. Although the same could be said about everything these last few months. I'll happily blame Comey and the shitheads on the Intelligence Committee for sleeping on this since like, Fall 2015 at the very least?
The IC isn't sabotaging the standing government anymore then it did during Watergate.
This is just what, like, actual whistleblowing looks like.
This is your reminder that the permanent members of the UN Security Council are currently Xi JinPing (China) François Hollande (France, up for election this year with Putin throwing his money behind the Nazi Le Pen) Theresa May (Britain, has roped herself to Trump in a probably vain effort to stave off the worst of the Brexit fallout) Donald Trump (no comment) and Vladimir Putin.
I don't know how this stuff is surprising to literally anyone
D&D has quoted a million times that there is 'no such thing as peak derp'.
To that end, there should be no limit to the level of surprising bullshit one might find collecting at the derp event horizon that is this administration; nearly infinite in scope that it is.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
He is generally regarded as a complete imbecile, actually. Dumbest man in Congress and what not.
Living in Utah, I take personal offense at the very notion that anyone is dumber than Chaffetz.
I'm not sure they were ever in Congress at the same time. Pod Save the World crew is trying to get Evan McMullin to go after Chaffetz in the primary, by the way.
I have staunchly resisted Podcasts for years now. I grudgingly accepted a podcast service for Zero Punctuation, but that was it!
... I now eagerly listen to Pod Save America and Pod Save the World while gaming or walking about.
I am a changed man over this last month of bullshit.
Which is to say that PSA and PStW are both great.
This American Life often has good episodes about politics.
Also I know about a billion good comedy/storytelling podcasts, if you want them
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I don't know how this stuff is surprising to literally anyone
D&D has quoted a million times that there is 'no such thing as peak derp'.
To that end, there should be no limit to the level of surprising bullshit one might find collecting at the derp event horizon that is this administration; nearly infinite in scope that it is.
I believe yesterday Hakkekage brokedown that this admin is an asshole singularity, which is unprecedented in the annuals of science, and I don't believe that anyone can refute that.
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Everyone in washington had resonable suspicion that this was the case going back as far as late September/early October. There are no surpises here. Top Republicans knew this when they were stumping for Trump, the FBI knew this when they did the new email scam. Harry Reid was literally screaming about this prior to the election and was dismissed as a bitter lame duck.
There are a vast number of government officials here that if this were a real criminal investigation on anything would be vulnerable to criminal conspiracy or accessory after the fact charges. They won't be, of course, but the fact that nothing was done about this prior to the election was based more on whether people could plausably remain willfully blind until after the election and squeeze out a victory and less on the evidence present or seriousness of the charges.
President Donald Trump offered the job of national security advisor to retired Vice Adm. Robert Harward on Monday night, and was a bit surprised when Harward responded by saying he needed a couple of days to think it over.
If, as expected, Harward accepts the job today, he is likely to bring in his own team, from deputy on down, with a focus on national security types with some experience under their belts.
I have to say I'm not terribly happy that America has let this issue fester for so long that the IC is just basically sabotaging the standing government. In this case they're in the right, but its not a great precedent. Although the same could be said about everything these last few months. I'll happily blame Comey and the shitheads on the Intelligence Committee for sleeping on this since like, Fall 2015 at the very least?
100% the CIA etc would be as resistant or moreso to liberal or progressive reform than to Trump-style grift and corruption.
I have to say I'm not terribly happy that America has let this issue fester for so long that the IC is just basically sabotaging the standing government. In this case they're in the right, but its not a great precedent. Although the same could be said about everything these last few months. I'll happily blame Comey and the shitheads on the Intelligence Committee for sleeping on this since like, Fall 2015 at the very least?
100% the CIA etc would be as resistant or moreso to liberal or progressive reform than to Trump-style grift and corruption.
The FBI yes. The CIA... I'm less sure. For one thing, a fuckload of them are Muslim, or at the very least work with Muslims almost every day.
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Will any Republican aside from McCain say anything at all?
Additionally, at this point saying "anything" is not good enough from McCain. I'll give him actual credit when he casts a vote to at the very least open an investigation.
He doesn't get to call himself a maverick when all he does is talk tough and then fall in line when the time comes to actually take a stand.
President Donald Trump offered the job of national security advisor to retired Vice Adm. Robert Harward on Monday night, and was a bit surprised when Harward responded by saying he needed a couple of days to think it over.
If, as expected, Harward accepts the job today, he is likely to bring in his own team, from deputy on down, with a focus on national security types with some experience under their belts.
That would be an improvement over Flynn.
At this point a competent pick would be a welcome addition.
I don't get why the republicans are not more aggressive about this now that the Russia ties are right there in the open plain as day.
If it ends in Trump's impeachment, then it's Pence/Ryan and they still have control and can still implement the entire republican greatest hits regressive policy extravaganza. If Pence is shown to be involved, then it's still Ryan/Hatch and the same applies. They've still got control, and it should be obvious by now that this train wreck presidency won't win another term if it even lasts that long. Just get it over with already.
Edit: This Is a national security writer and former NSA guy. Throughout the election and over the past month, he's proven to have very good sources in the intelligence community.
He's responding to a question about the IC's reaction to Trump's actions.
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I mean, he's half right.
It should definitely drive home the point for Democrats that they need to refocus their gaze on state governments and Congressional seats. That all this shit is going down and the entire reason nothing is coming out of it is because of the current distribution of power should be a huge wake up call
The IC isn't sabotaging the standing government anymore then it did during Watergate.
This is just what, like, actual whistleblowing looks like.
D&D has quoted a million times that there is 'no such thing as peak derp'.
To that end, there should be no limit to the level of surprising bullshit one might find collecting at the derp event horizon that is this administration; nearly infinite in scope that it is.
This American Life often has good episodes about politics.
Also I know about a billion good comedy/storytelling podcasts, if you want them
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
500 people?! What the hell did he do?!
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Per Google: Quds Force is accused of supplying insurgents in Iraq.
Everyone in washington had resonable suspicion that this was the case going back as far as late September/early October. There are no surpises here. Top Republicans knew this when they were stumping for Trump, the FBI knew this when they did the new email scam. Harry Reid was literally screaming about this prior to the election and was dismissed as a bitter lame duck.
There are a vast number of government officials here that if this were a real criminal investigation on anything would be vulnerable to criminal conspiracy or accessory after the fact charges. They won't be, of course, but the fact that nothing was done about this prior to the election was based more on whether people could plausably remain willfully blind until after the election and squeeze out a victory and less on the evidence present or seriousness of the charges.
Haven't finished reading the full thing, but looks interesting
I mean, everyone has been saying Donnie and the Boys have been colluding with Russia for close to a year now, but what happens next?
Nothing.
Or EVERYTHING.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/15/robert-harward-plans-a-housecleaning-of-trumps-national-security-council-staff/
That would be an improvement over Flynn.
because the people who can do anything about it either
a: don't care
b: are implicated
or
c: think it's great
100% the CIA etc would be as resistant or moreso to liberal or progressive reform than to Trump-style grift and corruption.
The FBI yes. The CIA... I'm less sure. For one thing, a fuckload of them are Muslim, or at the very least work with Muslims almost every day.
Additionally, at this point saying "anything" is not good enough from McCain. I'll give him actual credit when he casts a vote to at the very least open an investigation.
He doesn't get to call himself a maverick when all he does is talk tough and then fall in line when the time comes to actually take a stand.
At this point a competent pick would be a welcome addition.
"Only I have the brains to rule Lylat Russia!"
It's basically old yeller at this point.
Edit: This Is a national security writer and former NSA guy. Throughout the election and over the past month, he's proven to have very good sources in the intelligence community.
He's responding to a question about the IC's reaction to Trump's actions.
'IC' meaning intelligence community and 'He' meaning trump?
I'll believe it when I see it
Can you please provide some context?
What, who, when ... etc. ?
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Yeah, response to this
If it's any consolation, if they were trying to do something other than scare people they wouldn't have gotten into a positon where they can be seen.
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Because he straight-up is saying the only reason they aren't investigating is because it's Republicans who are under suspicion.
Literally putting party before country.
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Sorry, this guy is a national security writer and former NSA guy.
He was responding to a question about how the intelligence community is feeling about Trump's actions.