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Pre Fight Debate Thread: Brackets 19 & 20
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Bracket 19
Ultron
Powers: * Superhuman strength, speed and durability
* Flight
* Energy blasts
* Force fields generation
* Hypnosis
* Genius-level intellect
VS.
Mist
Powers: Can turn into mist, giving the effect of intangibility. The mist is also a tranquilizing agent. Skilled in the use of firearms.
Environment: Mount Everest
Bracket 20
Xorn
Powers: Healing powers, Magnetism and gravity manipulation
Vs.
Despero
Powers: Telepathy, Hypnotism, Psychokinesis, Teleportation, Superhuman strength and endurance, Genius-level intelligence
Environment: Warworld. No direct mind control is allowed.
Ultron
Powers: * Superhuman strength, speed and durability
* Flight
* Energy blasts
* Force fields generation
* Hypnosis
* Genius-level intellect
VS.
Mist
Powers: Can turn into mist, giving the effect of intangibility. The mist is also a tranquilizing agent. Skilled in the use of firearms.
Environment: Mount Everest
Bracket 20
Xorn
Powers: Healing powers, Magnetism and gravity manipulation
Vs.
Despero
Powers: Telepathy, Hypnotism, Psychokinesis, Teleportation, Superhuman strength and endurance, Genius-level intelligence
Environment: Warworld. No direct mind control is allowed.
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Force Field.
And I don't see how she could mess up his internals. She can't go solid while she's inside him, and I doubt a negligible amount of moisture will do any harm. If she shorted him out, somehow, wouldn't it harm her too anyway?
Shadowcat was intangible, Mist is quite far from intangibility. I think any sort of freezing, or super-heating effect would screw her over, as well as any disintegration. I don't know if he has any of those specific weapons or not, but I'm sure his arsenal is not fully documented in the wiki.
That's right up there with Thor vs Superman vs Wonder Woman in the hero tourney.
Not sure on that last fight, but I really hate what has been done with xorn, so it'd probably be good if he'd just dissapear.... for good. Bye xorn.
Despero is effectively superboy prime with mind control powers.
He was just removing nanites from people's blood and telling them that they were healed.
Oh, hey, what? No, he's not that bad.
As for how mobile he is, yeah, flying isn't going to help Xorn much here when Despero can just psychically grab him and slam him into the ground.
Not to mention he'd have to forget that he can fly.
I think Xorn might have this one in the bag. Is there any more advantageous place for the fight that a big, empty metal weapon/world?
It doesn't matter how strong or smart you are, when you're fighting someone that controls metal and the only thing around is metal, you're in trouble.
Unless you're stronger than Superman.
Ultron is a no-brainer.
He can also teleport himself and other shit.
And shoot mind bullets.
Xorn is basically fucked.
I mean, no matter how much metal there is on a planet, if they guy you're throwing it at is about five thousand times more durable than the metal, you might as well be using a giant leafblower to blow leaves at him.
And then there's the whole mind bullet head explodo thing the other guy has.
So, Ultron takes a nap and waits for Mist to freeze to death.
Xorn could more or less drown Despero in metal or pull the old blood iron trick. I don't think he should be written off so quickly.
He also has massively powerful psychic powers, so while Xorn tries the blood iron trick, Despero could detach Xorn's head psychokinetically.
So that wouldn't really be a very good strategy to take for Xorn.
And drowining him in iron would also work a whole lot better if Despero weren't able to just teleport out of that big mountain of iron and proceed to tear Xorn limb from limb.
Well, it's not a scientific guess, but Despero and Superman and the like are pretty much as durable as adamantium.
For this blight upon our cyber lands I vote for Despero to clean Xorn's horribley written clock and restore peace and order to the galaxy, much to our collective voyeuristic joy!
Ultron and Despero advance, and advance hard!
To do that he'd have to be able to force it into Despero's mouth or nose and past his throat, which is also superhumanly strong and durable. And also psychokinetic barriers.
And that still allows Despero to blow up Xorn's head remotely before he dies himself.
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Well, Despero isn't allowed to use his mental powers directly against him in this fight, so it's a moot point.
Important distinction: The rules say no direct -mind control-. Very different from being able to use the range of psychic powers Despero has other than mind control directly against Xorn.
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He could also use the iron to stop Despero's blood flow without revealing himself, so Despero's heart can't beat anymore.
I just want Despero to lose for the same reasons I wanted Martian Manhunter to lose. The whole "Guys he's like, stronger than Superman AND an amazingly powerful psychic!" sounds like a 10 year old made their own superhero. Or villain in this case.
Xorn should lose by the same logic. As should Loki, and Mandarin, and Apocalypse, and Ultron, and especially Doom.
Don't be such a lame party-pooper, Muffin Man.
And as was the case with Superman and Captain Marvel, Despero's heart muscles are so strong that Xorn wouldn't really be able to stop his blood from flowing.
Chances are though, Desparo is going to take this one or it'd be some sort of silly draw. After all, he may be super powerful but he can't control his internal organs.
Neither can Xorn because Despero's organs are just as durable as the rest of him, meaning that they can withstand nuclear explosions. (not contain them, but if Despero had a hole in him, his organs would remain intact.)
We've seen them used what, twice in DC? DKR2 and Kingdom Come.
I mean, if anyone could survive a nuke, I thought it'd be Captain Marvel.
Thats what i meant, he may not be able to control his mind, but he could read his thoughts to use a kind of precognition.
Or adamantium. It's not like other metals!
Actually, can vibranium even be controlled by magnetokinisis?
Just out of curiosity for those of you more familiar with the DC side of comics, how the hell does anyone actually beat Despero? I mean, forget about even defeating him, how do you even make him go away?
Super strength, super mental abilities, and Superman level invulnerability? That sounds unbalanced as fuck.
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