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Pre Fight Debate Thread: Brackets 21 & 22
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Bracket 21:
Lady Shiva
Powers: Literate in body language to the point she often knows what an opponent will do before they do it, master martial artist
VS.
Gentleman Ghost
Powers: Spectral ability to turn invisible and incorporeal.
Renders any body part who touches him deathly cold.
Environment: Stonehenge
Bracket 22
Taskmaster
Powers: Photographic reflexes. skilled in the use of many weapons and a martial arts master.
Equipment: Two automatic pistols, a katana, 10 throwing knives, 4 proximity mines, energy projector to replicate Marvel-specific weapons (Wolverine's claws, Spider-Man's webbing, Captain America's shield, etc)
VS.
Bullseye
Powers: Perfect accuracy, Expert martial artist and hand to hand combatant, Enhanced durability
Equipment: Pack of playing cards, 10 throwing knives, a box of thumbtacks, a baseball, two automatic pistols, and a katana.
Environment: Murderworld
Lady Shiva
Powers: Literate in body language to the point she often knows what an opponent will do before they do it, master martial artist
VS.
Gentleman Ghost
Powers: Spectral ability to turn invisible and incorporeal.
Renders any body part who touches him deathly cold.
Environment: Stonehenge
Bracket 22
Taskmaster
Powers: Photographic reflexes. skilled in the use of many weapons and a martial arts master.
Equipment: Two automatic pistols, a katana, 10 throwing knives, 4 proximity mines, energy projector to replicate Marvel-specific weapons (Wolverine's claws, Spider-Man's webbing, Captain America's shield, etc)
VS.
Bullseye
Powers: Perfect accuracy, Expert martial artist and hand to hand combatant, Enhanced durability
Equipment: Pack of playing cards, 10 throwing knives, a box of thumbtacks, a baseball, two automatic pistols, and a katana.
Environment: Murderworld
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I dont know any of these characters.
The second match is sooooo hard though.
I can't hardly choose.
Oh. My. God.
If only Taskmaster were as ignorant as you, Bullseye would destroy him instantly.
Thankfully, that isn't the case.
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And Bullseye' powers really need to say more than just "perfect accuracy".
More like "any object thrown by Bullseye is a lethal weapon, and he throws with perfect accuracy".
Perfect accuracy is something that changes based on the situation, so Taskmaster can't copy it... but his study of Spider-Man and Daredevil's moves, plus the fact he can temporarily improve his speed and reflexes, should keep him from getting one-shot killed.
For match one, I see Gentleman Ghost winning, unless Shiva is a virgin or Stonehedge has some effect on him. I'm guessing the former isn't true.
Match two favors Bullseye because as others have said, Taskmaster can't just copy his accuracy because it isn't really a move or anything. Only chance Taskmaster has is to spring a trap somewhere in Murderworld with his mines or something like that.
Shiva, meanwhile, has a chance since Ghost apparently doesn't have his guns this time around. He needs to go tangible to hit her. Someone as trained in the martial arts as her, meanwhile, may be spiritually attuned enough to detect his presence if he should become invisible.
And he's watched tons of videos and new footage, so his repertoire is filled with superhero moves along with things he's picked up during his travels around the world.
You know, if Taskmaster can catch bullets, I'm not sure projectile attacks will work all that well against him.
I think that with the enhanced reflexes and moves of most of Marvel's acrobatic characters, TM stands a good chance of fighting off the initial assault. On the other hand, I don't think Bullseye could dodge as well, and would be hit by anything TM threw at him. I mean, he might not be a "perfect shot holy crap he just threw a piece of straw through that guy's brain", but he's extremely competent with a pistol.
Its all about who gets the first good shot in. TM would probably be the one to get the element of suprise, he can go double-speed for a short time, and he can catch atleast one bullet before another gets through. With all of those things working in his favor, I think he can get the first headshot in.
And I think Task Master wins, seeing as he can catch bullets, has seen Daredevil fight before, and can use bursts of superspeed.
Even without his extensive armaments i think Taskmaster can take Bullseye.
For some reason I keep imagining them throwing weapons like in SF and them canceling each other out.
Not to say Bullseye is not an amazing fighter, but Taskmaster has him beat.
Taskmaster and Bullseye is a damn fair fight, but in the end Taskmaster will take this win. I'm sure all of Task's copied abilities will help him a lot in Murderworld.
I am going to cling to this, because letting a ghost into the tournament was retarded.
Let's not forget Bullseye has an adamantium spine with random bones reinforced with the stuff so not only is he durable but he can be just as acrobatic as Taskmaster. Both Bullseye and Taskmaster have a wealth of knowledge about one another and if I recall correctly Taskmaster is capable of mimicking Bullseye's aim although he may not have the same strength and natural gift for predicting how to make a penny ricochet through a crowded mall and into a persons mouth.
So although Taskmaster can catch anything Bullseye throws at him, he can't catch what he can't see. Then. . .Bullseye can't kill what he can't hit.
Oh my...I may find myself unable to vote on this one.
How does adamantium make you more acrobatic?
I laughed a little when I saw that Bullseye gets to use a baseball, but after a bit of digging I saw that he was apparently a pitcher in the major leagues.
I don't think the location even matters. Both of them are absolutely meticulous when it comes to studying their opponents.
It's going to be bloody and brutal, and exhausting...but I see Task pulling this one off in the end.
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Taskmaster is made of magical death things that can pretty much beat the Avengers even though Taskmaster is physically a normal human.
Taskmaster has dealt with Arcade before, or at least he knows him, so he probably has a rough idea of Murderworld's most basic schematics, if only because he glanced at them once when doing research, so he knows what to expect in a rough sense and how to prepare himself mentally.
Taskmaster, being very familiar with Bullseye indeed will constantly keep his guard up, severely reducing Bullseye's chances of finding him first. However, Bullseye is a professional also and not stupid, so most likely Bullseye and Taskmaster will find each other at the same time, at which point AWESOME BATTLES WITH POWER LEVELS NEVER BEFORE WITNESSED commence.
Bullseye ricochets a couple of thumbtacks off various angles off the walls while shooting at Taskmaster with a gun and also leaping in the air and doing maybe a backflip to confuse Taskmaster. Taskmaster, however, will dodge the thumbtacks with a bit of Spider-Man's acrobatics, and deflects the bullets with Captain America's shield while shooting at Bullseye with either Spider-Man's webbing or some fancy gun moves he saw in some Chow Yun Fat movies.
Bullseye is hit, but his reinforced skeleton absorbs most of the damages, and he is still good to go. He promptly shoots at Taskmaster with with pistols. Or this si what he would do if it weren't for the fact that immediately after Bullseye emptied his first clip at Taskmaster, Tasky threw his Captain America shield, bouncing it off the walls and forcing Bullseye to dodge that first, allowing Taskmaster to disarm Bullseye quite literally with a burst of super-speed and a few swipes from his katana.
Bullseye, down a few fingers on, let's say his left arm, uses his roght arm to flick his own fingers at Taskmaster, who narrowly avoids a gruesome death. This allows Bullseye just enough time to take out another projectile, let's say a knife, it doesn't matter, and throw it at Taskmaster!
GASP!
With a burst of superspeed and a feat of agility and coordination never before thought possible by normal humans, Taskmaster has caught the knife! Though his hand is badly cut, Taskmaster leaps over a ever so slightly stunned Bullseye and kicks the posychotic hitman in the back of the head, stunning him. Finally presented with an opening large enough to make his final move, Taskmaster once again duplicates Captain America's shield, and flings it at Bullseye with all his might, hitting him directly in the neck between two vertebrae (which Taskmaster knows how to do thanks to his reading and remembering all of Gray's Anatomy because he was bored one day), severing Bullseye's spinal cord despite his reinforced spine, stopping the hitman's heart and killing him.
Too bad for Bullseye that he didn't have adamantium ligaments.
Alternately, Taskmaster bounces the shield off the wall and hits Bullseye in his carotid artery.
This is just a thought, and I think it's a fairly likely scenario.
I think it really comes down to TM getting the drop on Bullseye. Bullseye is probably the most skilled (non-superhuman) offensive combatant in the marvel universe. When it comes to pure offense, there aren't many who can beat him. I don't even think taskmaster could.
Taskmaster has his own game, though. He'll come at bullseye with more tactics, approach with the silent, weightless steps of a ninja, and put bullseye down. Even if bullseye avoids the first shot and retaliates, TM could go double speed and catch a projectile or MAYBE 2 projectiles before one actually hits him. In that time he could let loose with atleast half a clip on Bullseye.
I'm assuming in all of this that TM gets the drop on bullseye, but considering their skillsets, that seems like a pretty fair assumption.
Bullseye is, in terms of hand-to-hand fighting, not even close to being in the top fifty of the Marvel universe, I'd say. He is able to turn anything he can hold into a deadly projectile, true, but even that would not put him above Taskmaster's level of skill and sheer dangerousness.
If they started within visual range of each other and at a moderate distance, I think Bullseye would win over Taskmaster for sure. Taskmaster is one skilled mofo, but he gets shot/injured by normal civilians at times. Someone like bullseye would tear him apart at a distance in a straight up brawl.
I DO believe that bullseye is in the top-ten of non-powered individuals at offensive combat. Sure, there are tons that win in a hand-to-hand defensive game, but bullseye can let loose with a WALL of flying pointy objects.
I'm giving my vote to TM based on the fact that I think he's sneakier, and wouldn't let this turn into a face-to-face brawl. I don't think he'd win in a prolonged face-to-face confrontation, though. Sure, TM brawls with avengers, but Bullseye goes straight for killshots. Besides, all of those avengers brawls were extensively planned by TM in advance, so they aren't really representative of his pure fighting power.
TM has the moves of spiderman... but TM has said it himself... being able to move like spiderman does NOT make you spiderman.
TM doesn't have any kind of spidersense or enhanced senses like Spider-man or Daredevil. In fact, he gets shot by normal civilians on 2 seperate occasions throughout his 4 part mini-series. If shots are getting through, it means there ARE gaps in his defense. There's no way he could defend himself against bullseye's perfect accuracy for long.
Like I said before, I'd STILL give this fight to TM based on his abilities outside of plain old face-to-face combat. TM has a much better chance of catching Bullseye by suprise, imo.
Actually, after careful consideration with Toji, I now believe that this will end in a double KO, though Taskmaster would survive for about a second longer.
Agreed
Unless your a virgin or somehow related to the english monarchy you have no chance of fighting someone who is a ghost.
An unmarked grave in the potter's field, most likely (lest we forget, only one lucky screw actually gets to walk away from this tournament).
In my mind, TM holds several solid advantages, the biggest being his truely mind-boggling array of skills, with the "bottomless gauntlet o' death" pulling a close second. The only thing that Bullseye has that can really pooch the deal is the adamantium; if TM's bullet goes into a vertebre instead of between them, violent conflict will ensue. Of course, it will be violent conflict against an inexhaustable well of firepower and suprises.
Oh, and by the way, Shiva for the win. Because **** Gentleman Ghost, that's why.
[EDIT]: Has Lady Shiva's... um... status... ever been expressly stated? I'm pretty sure she isn't related to the Crown, but there is that other hitch...
For some reason I'm inclined to doubt Lady Shiva is a virgin.
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