And now it looks like others are picking up on how reckless he's getting. In the promo for the next week's episode, it looks like he's getting framed for Gary's murder. I'm thinking that bullet he tossed to Wynn Duffy (despite being a totally awesome moment) is really going to come back and bite him.
That is an excellent theory. If that scene pops in the 'previously on Justified' for next week, I'd say you win a gold star.
Yeah, that sounds worryingly credible.
Ballistics doesn't work like that, he didn't fire that one so I wouldn't be identifiable as from his gun. Maybe if they track the type of ammo to the Marshal's office, but that's way too broad.
You are correct. Fingerprints on the shell casing is more what I was thinking.
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You are correct. Fingerprints on the shell casing is more what I was thinking.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Duffy and Quarles have a bullet from a marshall's gun, with his prints on it, and can twist that any number of incriminating ways.
Not to mention, the last time anyone saw Gary (as far as we know) was when Tim and Raylan were watching over him. Raylan and Gary went out, and Raylan came back alone. Tim even saw him come back alone and asked something like "Do I even want to know?" So in addition to getting Raylan sidetracked, this could further strain the Tim/Raylan friendship. Which sucks. I love Tim.
You are correct. Fingerprints on the shell casing is more what I was thinking.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Duffy and Quarles have a bullet from a marshall's gun, with his prints on it, and can twist that any number of incriminating ways.
Not to mention, the last time anyone saw Gary (as far as we know) was when Tim and Raylan were watching over him. Raylan and Gary went out, and Raylan came back alone. Tim even saw him come back alone and asked something like "Do I even want to know?" So in addition to getting Raylan sidetracked, this could further strain the Tim/Raylan friendship. Which sucks. I love Tim.
Tim is my favorite character in the show.
Edit: I just want to hear him say "This isn't where I left my car." once.
Edit: I just want to hear him say "This isn't where I left my car." once.
Holy shit I never noticed that was him.
And even if you've mentioned it before, I totally forgot.
Awesome episode. You guys were right on the money as to guessing where it was going, too.
Give McDonough an emmy nomination.
I hadn't read the thread, and honestly didn't see it coming until they said they had fingerprints back. But at that point it was, like, super-obvious where it was going.
Also, the foreshadowing regarding that gun rig isn't even subtle anymore. Though at this point maybe they're just fucking with us, and it won't jam on him when he goes up against Givens (or somebody else), leading to his doom.
Overall a good episode, though it felt like the drama wrapped up a bit too quickly and (relatively) neatly for my taste. Of course, the premise was a bit far-fetched to begin with...I don't think the FBI would have dragged Raylan in on something that thin (a known crook just happens to out an officer on a line that he almost certainly knows is bugged?), but instead I'd have expected them to actually, you know, investigate him for a bit. Try and get some actual evidence of wrongdoing before they ask him if he's dirty. The whole thing was a bit...silly.
Edit: I just want to hear him say "This isn't where I left my car." once.
Holy shit I never noticed that was him.
And even if you've mentioned it before, I totally forgot.
Awesome episode. You guys were right on the money as to guessing where it was going, too.
Give McDonough an emmy nomination.
I hadn't read the thread, and honestly didn't see it coming until they said they had fingerprints back. But at that point it was, like, super-obvious where it was going.
Also, the foreshadowing regarding that gun rig isn't even subtle anymore. Though at this point maybe they're just fucking with us, and it won't jam on him when he goes up against Givens (or somebody else), leading to his doom.
Overall a good episode, though it felt like the drama wrapped up a bit too quickly and (relatively) neatly for my taste. Of course, the premise was a bit far-fetched to begin with...I don't think the FBI would have dragged Raylan in on something that thin (a known crook just happens to out an officer on a line that he almost certainly knows is bugged?), but instead I'd have expected them to actually, you know, investigate him for a bit. Try and get some actual evidence of wrongdoing before they ask him if he's dirty. The whole thing was a bit...silly.
The last few episodes have simply been building up the conflict between Quarles & Raylan. Each time it escalates higher. This was merely the latest battle, that's why it had to end in a single episode.
For a second I thought Quarles was going to overdose himself in the car. Thankfully it didn't happen. It would be to similar to Mags suicide.
Also, the foreshadowing regarding that gun rig isn't even subtle anymore. Though at this point maybe they're just fucking with us, and it won't jam on him when he goes up against Givens (or somebody else), leading to his doom.
What I want to see is for him to get the drop on Raylan with his rig, but for Raylan to exploit his obvious emotional fuckups via dialogue, leading Wynn to take out Quarles.
Overall a good episode, though it felt like the drama wrapped up a bit too quickly and (relatively) neatly for my taste. Of course, the premise was a bit far-fetched to begin with...I don't think the FBI would have dragged Raylan in on something that thin (a known crook just happens to out an officer on a line that he almost certainly knows is bugged?), but instead I'd have expected them to actually, you know, investigate him for a bit. Try and get some actual evidence of wrongdoing before they ask him if he's dirty. The whole thing was a bit...silly.
I believe there was a throwaway line towards the end of the episode that Quarles' gang has a guy in the FBI. Not sure if it's the investigator himself but it may be why the investigation was launched.
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Also, the foreshadowing regarding that gun rig isn't even subtle anymore. Though at this point maybe they're just fucking with us, and it won't jam on him when he goes up against Givens (or somebody else), leading to his doom.
What I want to see is for him to get the drop on Raylan with his rig, but for Raylan to exploit his obvious emotional fuckups via dialogue, leading Wynn to take out Quarles.
Wynn having a hand in taking out Quarles wasn't something I had considered. That's actually good and I prefer that to Quarles getting the drop on Raylan and just having the rig fail.
Overall a good episode, though it felt like the drama wrapped up a bit too quickly and (relatively) neatly for my taste. Of course, the premise was a bit far-fetched to begin with...I don't think the FBI would have dragged Raylan in on something that thin (a known crook just happens to out an officer on a line that he almost certainly knows is bugged?), but instead I'd have expected them to actually, you know, investigate him for a bit. Try and get some actual evidence of wrongdoing before they ask him if he's dirty. The whole thing was a bit...silly.
The boss's son was told by Quarles to specifically mention Raylan/Boyd in an area he knew to be FBI compromised, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Feds know the son knows. I agree that the wrap-up seemed quick, but Vasquez has proven to 'understand' how Raylan does things and would be naturally inclined to push back against the FBI a little once they started tap dancing around the source. Plus, Barkley insulting Art (in character, yes, but holy hell you could not have done anything stupider) meant an immediate circling of the wagons in the local office.
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Also, the foreshadowing regarding that gun rig isn't even subtle anymore. Though at this point maybe they're just fucking with us, and it won't jam on him when he goes up against Givens (or somebody else), leading to his doom.
What I want to see is for him to get the drop on Raylan with his rig, but for Raylan to exploit his obvious emotional fuckups via dialogue, leading Wynn to take out Quarles.
Wynn having a hand in taking out Quarles wasn't something I had considered. That's actually good and I prefer that to Quarles getting the drop on Raylan and just having the rig fail.
Rig failure due to another "tablecloth" moment by Raylan would sit well with me.
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Also, the foreshadowing regarding that gun rig isn't even subtle anymore. Though at this point maybe they're just fucking with us, and it won't jam on him when he goes up against Givens (or somebody else), leading to his doom.
What I want to see is for him to get the drop on Raylan with his rig, but for Raylan to exploit his obvious emotional fuckups via dialogue, leading Wynn to take out Quarles.
Wynn having a hand in taking out Quarles wasn't something I had considered. That's actually good and I prefer that to Quarles getting the drop on Raylan and just having the rig fail.
Rig failure due to another "tablecloth" moment by Raylan would sit well with me.
My guess is Raylan dodges the bullet then shoots him. Relying on a single bullet to kill an enemy in a firefight is a serious flaw. Quarles tactic relies on ambushing his opponents, who usually aren't that self aware like Raylan is or prepared with counter-measures to kill him they instant they have an advantage.
What I want to see is for him to get the drop on Raylan with his rig, but for Raylan to exploit his obvious emotional fuckups via dialogue, leading Wynn to take out Quarles.
That's absolutely what I'm hoping for. He's been impressed by Quarles' violence and foresight, but now that Quarles is coming undone, he might see the chance to make a move of his own. Maybe even elevate his status in the Dixie mafia?
Also, I absolutely loved that the call back to "Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go watch women's tennis." from earlier this season.
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Got to say the sound design has been awesome this season.
I loved how the detective reacted to Raylan's one-liner, and Duffy's mythbuster point. Natural reactions so good.
Got to say the sound design has been awesome this season.
I loved how the detective reacted to Raylan's one-liner, and Duffy's mythbuster point. Natural reactions so good.
I really liked how they admitted that they cribbed the "next one's coming faster" line from Johnny Carson. Does knowing that it's not actually a completely original line make it any less awesome? No -- it actually makes it more natural.
Also, the foreshadowing regarding that gun rig isn't even subtle anymore. Though at this point maybe they're just fucking with us, and it won't jam on him when he goes up against Givens (or somebody else), leading to his doom.
What I want to see is for him to get the drop on Raylan with his rig, but for Raylan to exploit his obvious emotional fuckups via dialogue, leading Wynn to take out Quarles.
Wynn having a hand in taking out Quarles wasn't something I had considered. That's actually good and I prefer that to Quarles getting the drop on Raylan and just having the rig fail.
Rig failure due to another "tablecloth" moment by Raylan would sit well with me.
My guess is Raylan dodges the bullet then shoots him. Relying on a single bullet to kill an enemy in a firefight is a serious flaw. Quarles tactic relies on ambushing his opponents, who usually aren't that self aware like Raylan is or prepared with counter-measures to kill him they instant they have an advantage.
Quarles has more than one round in his rig. He shot Duffey's boss and the secretary with out reloading.
I'm pretty sure that if Quarles is going down, he's going down in epic fashion. The oxy will probably be his downfall, but it'll also make him even more insane.
What really makes Justified such a good show is it's villians. It has the best bad guys I've ever seen in a show, even better than The Shield. I can't imagine anything topping Quarles, but then again I didn't think Mags was going to be topped, so who knows.
Word of warning if you want to stay completely spoiler-free: steer clear of casting news for Frank Darabont's new show LA Noir because, like The Walking Dead, the casting of one of the leads is probably spoiling the fate of a character for this show.
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So many good scenes and moments tonight. When will people learn to never - EVER - try and screw over a bomb maker?
And even with all the good stuff, the one and only scene from next week was even better. "Why wait?" Truer words, man . . .
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Quarles is good, but a little too cartoon characterish for me. For me, the personality frequently overpowers the interesting stuff they've done to flesh out the character in terms of the predilection for torturing male prostitutes to death, his drug habit, his family and his shaky standing with the Detroit outfit.
I think Limehouse is getting pretty good, though. I thought the scene between Quarles and Limehouse was nicely done, what with Quarles taking that persona Limehouse always puts on to appear disarming and then turning it around in an insulting way to throw Limehouse off his game. Ava continues to solidify her place as my wife's new favorite character now that Mags is gone. Which is going to be pretty funny once Ava starts running a whorehouse.
Does it make me a bad person if I have no sympathy for his mother?
No, I didn't really feel sympathetic toward her, either.
I was slightly confused on why Raylan would've been waiting there. Visiting to let her know what happened (and to also prove his point that he wasn't kidding/lying when they met previously), totally. Just unsure what made him camp.
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Does it make me a bad person if I have no sympathy for his mother?
No, I didn't really feel sympathetic toward her, either.
I was slightly confused on why Raylan would've been waiting there. Visiting to let her know what happened (and to also prove his point that he wasn't kidding/lying when they met previously), totally. Just unsure what made him camp.
Waiting to see who'd come calling, if anyone. Remember, he was up shit creek without the Tanner lead, so why not play it all the way out?
I love how haggard raylen has started to look this season. It really sells a guy who is just getting worn down by everything and only has work and the bottle to turn to.
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You are correct. Fingerprints on the shell casing is more what I was thinking.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Duffy and Quarles have a bullet from a marshall's gun, with his prints on it, and can twist that any number of incriminating ways.
Tim is my favorite character in the show.
Edit: I just want to hear him say "This isn't where I left my car." once.
Give McDonough an emmy nomination.
that he's able to be in charge of anything stretches the imagination even for nepotism
"I believe they disproved that on Mythbusters."
Dammit, Justified, you have the best fucking dialog.
Holy shit I never noticed that was him.
And even if you've mentioned it before, I totally forgot.
I hadn't read the thread, and honestly didn't see it coming until they said they had fingerprints back. But at that point it was, like, super-obvious where it was going.
Also, the foreshadowing regarding that gun rig isn't even subtle anymore. Though at this point maybe they're just fucking with us, and it won't jam on him when he goes up against Givens (or somebody else), leading to his doom.
Overall a good episode, though it felt like the drama wrapped up a bit too quickly and (relatively) neatly for my taste. Of course, the premise was a bit far-fetched to begin with...I don't think the FBI would have dragged Raylan in on something that thin (a known crook just happens to out an officer on a line that he almost certainly knows is bugged?), but instead I'd have expected them to actually, you know, investigate him for a bit. Try and get some actual evidence of wrongdoing before they ask him if he's dirty. The whole thing was a bit...silly.
The last few episodes have simply been building up the conflict between Quarles & Raylan. Each time it escalates higher. This was merely the latest battle, that's why it had to end in a single episode.
What I want to see is for him to get the drop on Raylan with his rig, but for Raylan to exploit his obvious emotional fuckups via dialogue, leading Wynn to take out Quarles.
I believe there was a throwaway line towards the end of the episode that Quarles' gang has a guy in the FBI. Not sure if it's the investigator himself but it may be why the investigation was launched.
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Wynn having a hand in taking out Quarles wasn't something I had considered. That's actually good and I prefer that to Quarles getting the drop on Raylan and just having the rig fail.
The boss's son was told by Quarles to specifically mention Raylan/Boyd in an area he knew to be FBI compromised, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Feds know the son knows. I agree that the wrap-up seemed quick, but Vasquez has proven to 'understand' how Raylan does things and would be naturally inclined to push back against the FBI a little once they started tap dancing around the source. Plus, Barkley insulting Art (in character, yes, but holy hell you could not have done anything stupider) meant an immediate circling of the wagons in the local office.
Rig failure due to another "tablecloth" moment by Raylan would sit well with me.
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My guess is Raylan dodges the bullet then shoots him. Relying on a single bullet to kill an enemy in a firefight is a serious flaw. Quarles tactic relies on ambushing his opponents, who usually aren't that self aware like Raylan is or prepared with counter-measures to kill him they instant they have an advantage.
That's absolutely what I'm hoping for. He's been impressed by Quarles' violence and foresight, but now that Quarles is coming undone, he might see the chance to make a move of his own. Maybe even elevate his status in the Dixie mafia?
Also, I absolutely loved that the call back to "Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go watch women's tennis." from earlier this season.
I loved how the detective reacted to Raylan's one-liner, and Duffy's mythbuster point. Natural reactions so good.
I really liked how they admitted that they cribbed the "next one's coming faster" line from Johnny Carson. Does knowing that it's not actually a completely original line make it any less awesome? No -- it actually makes it more natural.
Quarles has more than one round in his rig. He shot Duffey's boss and the secretary with out reloading.
Such a great character.
How can they possibly top this? I mean, they already pulled off a miracle by topping Season 2 - are there any more souls left to sell?
Complete the Deadwood love-in and have Ian McShane as the season long bad guy.
I do! Give me that.
And even with all the good stuff, the one and only scene from next week was even better. "Why wait?" Truer words, man . . .
Well, then again, Tanner never seemed like the brightest bulb of all time.
I think Limehouse is getting pretty good, though. I thought the scene between Quarles and Limehouse was nicely done, what with Quarles taking that persona Limehouse always puts on to appear disarming and then turning it around in an insulting way to throw Limehouse off his game. Ava continues to solidify her place as my wife's new favorite character now that Mags is gone. Which is going to be pretty funny once Ava starts running a whorehouse.
That's very true. lol
Still be alive if he'd remembered he had pockets.
No, I didn't really feel sympathetic toward her, either.
I was slightly confused on why Raylan would've been waiting there. Visiting to let her know what happened (and to also prove his point that he wasn't kidding/lying when they met previously), totally. Just unsure what made him camp.
Waiting to see who'd come calling, if anyone. Remember, he was up shit creek without the Tanner lead, so why not play it all the way out?