Zaeed was awesome, I don't know what's wrong with you.
Have you ever considered that maybe you hate fun?
Zaeed was a less interesting Canderous Ordo and a pretty repulsive fellow in general.
And his stories were pretty dull to boot. "Oh hey I shot some guys." "I shot some Krogan." "I shot some more guys with an old-ass rifle that I have an unhealthy relationship with due to loneliness from being such an unrelenting asshole."
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If it was remotely possible to have the ghost of Saren...I would have the ghost of Saren ...
It is unfathomable to me how people can trust Saren and the Shadow Broker, but not TIM.
I don't get the Shadow Broker trust after the comic :I ....
I actually wouldn't mind hardened Liara coming back, but people really hate hardened Liara. So I expect delicate miss faint alot to come back; who I hated. Psycho Liara I liked . (bit of a side note)
And the main reason to trust Saren ,well if he somehow managed to get resurrected, would be that he basically got mind raped by the reapers. I don't think he would let that go. Like I said zero chance. He did go the way of the dinosaurs and apparently all evidence of Sovereign.
it's not like it was a premeditated choice or something he actively fought against Shepard for, it was an in-the-moment thing and as soon as Shepard ordered otherwise, he followed
when Shepard gave him the paragon talk later on, he really seemed to take it to heart
Zaeed is not psycho, he is an old, jaded, professional mercenary. He is fucking awesome.
Grunt I find interesting in that I like him and hate him at the same time. I hate him cause he's a barely controlled angst young krogan. A professional like myself would never use him on a mission because his temper can get out of control. You need discipline in a firefight.
On the otherhand, he's intellegent enough to realize that he is a young krogan and sometimes loses control. That shows he's maturing. So I would use him in a few years when he grows up and becomes more like Wrex.
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Plus, there's the whole issue of language. Everyone speaks English in the ME universe, otherwise, I'm sure the Turians or Asari or Salarians would have a far better name for the SPECTERs.
Dragkonias, sounds like your Shepard run went well. Was his name 'Marco'? Or was that someone's else.
Naw. I went with regular old John Shepard. And kept his face covered with the Recon Mask on mission. I wanted to make him as goonish as possible.
Marco is my one night stands only, worse scarring possible I mean damn but those baby blues, renegade adept.
Zaeed isn't all bad (morally) , if you bring him along enough times you see that.
He's not a mustache twirling Sith lord or anything, but anyone willing to let innocents burn to death for his revenge is pretty bad.
The guy shot him in the face and destroyed everything he ever built.
I'd be pretty upset too! In fact, I would probably also let the slaves die to kill the man who destroyed my life.
I agree, its hard to discern his "Complete Monster" status considering the nature of the guy he is after. Obviously he is mentally unhinged, but he is going after the guy who one could argue destroyed his life. Granted we didn't see enough to infer if that was really the case or if Zaeed just shrugged it off.
I'm inclined to think it fucked him over pretty bad. And its not like he set the people on fire....like a certain turian in a certain prequel or so I hear.
Samara hints at Nihlus being a somewhat evil bastard also O_O
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Zaeed isn't all bad (morally) , if you bring him along enough times you see that.
He's not a mustache twirling Sith lord or anything, but anyone willing to let innocents burn to death for his revenge is pretty bad.
I'm not sure if you have or not, and I'm not saying you're wrong
But I think you should really try to put yourself in his brain shoes. Imagine your best friend. All the good times you had, playing games, hanging out, inside jokes, girl stories. Then your friend shoots you in the face and ruins all your years of hard work. You'd feel completely betrayed, super pissed, vengeful. And you search for years, tracking, and finally, after all your hard work, you find him.
But there's some random people you don't know on this remote planet that might burn up if you don't save them instead.
I'm just saying, if I was exactly in his position, but it was real life where you can't pause the surrounding action while you think for a few minutes about which path you should run down, deliberating the right thing to do...
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And he dislikes Anderson, and if you dislike Anderson you can get the hell off my ship.
The only thing I disliked about Anderson was how much the game was forcing the fact he was the Good Guy down your fucking throat. It was too bloody obvious and I hate that crap
Other than that Keith David is awesome and I wish they made Anderson look like him instead of the model they came up with.
Zaeed isn't all bad (morally) , if you bring him along enough times you see that.
He's not a mustache twirling Sith lord or anything, but anyone willing to let innocents burn to death for his revenge is pretty bad.
The guy shot him in the face and destroyed everything he ever built.
I'd be pretty upset too! In fact, I would probably also let the slaves die to kill the man who destroyed my life.
Just because you'd be upset about it doesn't make it morally right to let innocents suffer and die horribly for it. I mean yeah, if there were no collateral damage I'd totally have Zaeed's back since Vido seems like a galaxy-class jerk, but the screams of the refinery workers if you leave them to die, dear god the screams.
Zaeed isn't all bad (morally) , if you bring him along enough times you see that.
He's not a mustache twirling Sith lord or anything, but anyone willing to let innocents burn to death for his revenge is pretty bad.
The guy shot him in the face and destroyed everything he ever built.
I'd be pretty upset too! In fact, I would probably also let the slaves die to kill the man who destroyed my life.
Just because you'd be upset about it doesn't make it morally right to let innocents suffer and die horribly for it. I mean yeah, if there were no collateral damage I'd totally have Zaeed's back since Vido seems like a galaxy-class jerk, but the screams of the refinery workers if you leave them to die, dear god the screams.
It isn't morally justifiable, no (although there is the Utilitarian argument that killing Vido helps more people in the long run), I'm just saying that Zaeed's determination to get to Vido is understandable.
And he dislikes Anderson, and if you dislike Anderson you can get the hell off my ship.
The only thing I disliked about Anderson was how much the game was forcing the fact he was the Good Guy down your fucking throat. It was too bloody obvious and I hate that crap
Other than that Keith David is awesome and I wish they made Anderson look like him instead of the model they came up with.
i just mentally impose Keith David over Anderson's face anyway. if they ever get around to making a Mass Effect movie they better cast some of the VA's as their characters, specifically Joker and Anderson.
Zaeed isn't all bad (morally) , if you bring him along enough times you see that.
He's not a mustache twirling Sith lord or anything, but anyone willing to let innocents burn to death for his revenge is pretty bad.
The guy shot him in the face and destroyed everything he ever built.
I'd be pretty upset too! In fact, I would probably also let the slaves die to kill the man who destroyed my life.
Just because you'd be upset about it doesn't make it morally right to let innocents suffer and die horribly for it. I mean yeah, if there were no collateral damage I'd totally have Zaeed's back since Vido seems like a galaxy-class jerk, but the screams of the refinery workers if you leave them to die, dear god the screams.
It isn't morally justifiable, no (although there is the Utilitarian argument that killing Vido helps more people in the long run), I'm just saying that Zaeed's determination to get to Vido is understandable.
Plus, there's the whole issue of language. Everyone speaks English in the ME universe, otherwise, I'm sure the Turians or Asari or Salarians would have a far better name for the SPECTERs.
Dragkonias, sounds like your Shepard run went well. Was his name 'Marco'? Or was that someone's else.
Naw. I went with regular old John Shepard. And kept his face covered with the Recon Mask on mission. I wanted to make him as goonish as possible.
Marco is my one night stands only, worse scarring possible I mean damn but those baby blues, renegade adept.
Ah, right, you gotta' define your limits. Dragkonias' Shepard was just here to kill everyone around him. Marco is all about hiding his own self-loathing and crying in his closet that he will never feel the love of another sentient being.
Remember, this is coming from the man that fellates Martin Sheen.
Yeah, he's one of those. A Cerberus lover.
Hey now. Let's clear this up:
Martin Sheen = Way cool guy.
TIM = Horrible, horrible human being.
Martin Sheen even said that TIM was clearly untrustworthy. President Bartlet knows what the fuck is up. And yeah, I'd put personally Kaiden and Ashley at my bottom tier too. Maybe Kaiden and Liara in the second-to-bottom tier. Maybe.
I think the main reason a lot of people have a very negative impression of Zaeed is that his loyalty mission becomes available immediately upon recruitment, which is usually at the very start of the game.
As a result, you probably play his mission relatively early in the game, and in that mission he acts unhinged and psychopathic. Since you haven't really had time to do anything with him at that point (unlike the other characters, who you probably took on some other missions and talked to several times before their loyalty missions unlock) this is the formative impression you get of him.
Regardless I think Zaeed is awesome and everyone who doesn't think so is wrong
edit: Here I use "you" in the general sense. I'm not actually trying to call out anyone in particular, its just the most serviceable pronoun.
Just because you'd be upset about it doesn't make it morally right to let innocents suffer and die horribly for it.
Twenty years of merc'ing and a burning desire for vengeance will inure someone to bystander casualties. It's not like he guns them down himself. It's not the virtuous thing to do, but that's what I like about him. One of the few characters who isn't relentlessly lightside.
I will go so far as to say that I prefer Ashley to Zaeed. By a significant margin.
And I don't care much for Ashley at all.
woah now hey lets not wow
I'm completely and totally serious.
And I've actually taken Zaeed on several missions and not just his loyalty one. The guy grinds my nerves to bits, and I'm very much considering letting his ass die next time I do his loyalty mission.
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I will go so far as to say that I prefer Ashley to Zaeed. By a significant margin.
And I don't care much for Ashley at all.
woah now hey lets not wow
I'm completely and totally serious.
And I've actually taken Zaeed on several missions and not just his loyalty one. The guy grinds my nerves to bits, and I'm very much considering letting his ass die next time I do his loyalty mission.
you are mentally ill. i am prescribing you 300 mg of jason statham, stat
I will go so far as to say that I prefer Ashley to Zaeed. By a significant margin.
And I don't care much for Ashley at all.
woah now hey lets not wow
I'm completely and totally serious.
And I've actually taken Zaeed on several missions and not just his loyalty one. The guy grinds my nerves to bits, and I'm very much considering letting his ass die next time I do his loyalty mission.
You only get the option to leave him there if you do it after the suicide mission, don't you?
Because then it would probably be easier just to send him to do something that gets him killed during the mission.
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Can you get Zaeed loyal picking the paragon choices?
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I will go so far as to say that I prefer Ashley to Zaeed. By a significant margin.
And I don't care much for Ashley at all.
woah now hey lets not wow
I'm completely and totally serious.
And I've actually taken Zaeed on several missions and not just his loyalty one. The guy grinds my nerves to bits, and I'm very much considering letting his ass die next time I do his loyalty mission.
You only get the option to leave him there if you do it after the suicide mission, don't you?
Because then it would probably be easier just to send him to do something that gets him killed during the mission.
Yeah, it's only available after the main mission.
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I will go so far as to say that I prefer Ashley to Zaeed. By a significant margin.
And I don't care much for Ashley at all.
woah now hey lets not wow
I'm completely and totally serious.
And I've actually taken Zaeed on several missions and not just his loyalty one. The guy grinds my nerves to bits, and I'm very much considering letting his ass die next time I do his loyalty mission.
You only get the option to leave him there if you do it after the suicide mission, don't you?
Because then it would probably be easier just to send him to do something that gets him killed during the mission.
Yeah, it's only available after the main mission.
dammit, I forgot to do that on my last playthrough. ARGH. Oh well. Guess I'll have to do that once I get the firepower pack and run through the game for a 6th time or whatever I'm up to now.
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If it was remotely possible to have the ghost of Saren...I would have the ghost of Saren ...
Tal going with an all human squad? Typical.
You humans are all racist.
Zaeed was a psychopath, no question.
I still found him to be an interesting character, though!
If you don't agree, perhaps you should meet me in a local refinery so I can convince you.
Granted I'm a bit more forgiving than others as long as someone is a bit courteous/likable in my eyes.
I liked his lines in Jack Loyalty.
There are a few great ambient lines where he gets some pretty good characterization.
It is unfathomable to me how people can trust Saren and the Shadow Broker, but not TIM.
He's not a mustache twirling Sith lord or anything, but anyone willing to let innocents burn to death for his revenge is pretty bad.
Zaeed was a less interesting Canderous Ordo and a pretty repulsive fellow in general.
And his stories were pretty dull to boot. "Oh hey I shot some guys." "I shot some Krogan." "I shot some more guys with an old-ass rifle that I have an unhealthy relationship with due to loneliness from being such an unrelenting asshole."
- The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (2017, colorized)
I don't get the Shadow Broker trust after the comic :I ....
I actually wouldn't mind hardened Liara coming back, but people really hate hardened Liara. So I expect delicate miss faint alot to come back; who I hated. Psycho Liara I liked . (bit of a side note)
And the main reason to trust Saren ,well if he somehow managed to get resurrected, would be that he basically got mind raped by the reapers. I don't think he would let that go.
when Shepard gave him the paragon talk later on, he really seemed to take it to heart
The guy shot him in the face and destroyed everything he ever built.
I'd be pretty upset too! In fact, I would probably also let the slaves die to kill the man who destroyed my life.
Grunt I find interesting in that I like him and hate him at the same time. I hate him cause he's a barely controlled angst young krogan. A professional like myself would never use him on a mission because his temper can get out of control. You need discipline in a firefight.
On the otherhand, he's intellegent enough to realize that he is a young krogan and sometimes loses control. That shows he's maturing. So I would use him in a few years when he grows up and becomes more like Wrex.
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And he dislikes Anderson, and if you dislike Anderson you can get the hell off my ship.
Marco is my one night stands only, worse scarring possible I mean damn but those baby blues, renegade adept.
And I don't care much for Ashley at all.
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I agree, its hard to discern his "Complete Monster" status considering the nature of the guy he is after. Obviously he is mentally unhinged, but he is going after the guy who one could argue destroyed his life. Granted we didn't see enough to infer if that was really the case or if Zaeed just shrugged it off.
I'm inclined to think it fucked him over pretty bad. And its not like he set the people on fire....like a certain turian in a certain prequel or so I hear.
Samara hints at Nihlus being a somewhat evil bastard also O_O
I'm not sure if you have or not, and I'm not saying you're wrong
But I think you should really try to put yourself in his brain shoes. Imagine your best friend. All the good times you had, playing games, hanging out, inside jokes, girl stories. Then your friend shoots you in the face and ruins all your years of hard work. You'd feel completely betrayed, super pissed, vengeful. And you search for years, tracking, and finally, after all your hard work, you find him.
But there's some random people you don't know on this remote planet that might burn up if you don't save them instead.
I'm just saying, if I was exactly in his position, but it was real life where you can't pause the surrounding action while you think for a few minutes about which path you should run down, deliberating the right thing to do...
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The only thing I disliked about Anderson was how much the game was forcing the fact he was the Good Guy down your fucking throat. It was too bloody obvious and I hate that crap
Other than that Keith David is awesome and I wish they made Anderson look like him instead of the model they came up with.
Just because you'd be upset about it doesn't make it morally right to let innocents suffer and die horribly for it. I mean yeah, if there were no collateral damage I'd totally have Zaeed's back since Vido seems like a galaxy-class jerk, but the screams of the refinery workers if you leave them to die, dear god the screams.
It hardly makes you a villain though either. It just makes you the guy who doesn't do the right thing.
It isn't morally justifiable, no (although there is the Utilitarian argument that killing Vido helps more people in the long run), I'm just saying that Zaeed's determination to get to Vido is understandable.
i just mentally impose Keith David over Anderson's face anyway. if they ever get around to making a Mass Effect movie they better cast some of the VA's as their characters, specifically Joker and Anderson.
I'm perfectly willing to concede that.
Ah, right, you gotta' define your limits. Dragkonias' Shepard was just here to kill everyone around him. Marco is all about hiding his own self-loathing and crying in his closet that he will never feel the love of another sentient being.
Hey now. Let's clear this up:
Martin Sheen = Way cool guy.
TIM = Horrible, horrible human being.
Martin Sheen even said that TIM was clearly untrustworthy. President Bartlet knows what the fuck is up. And yeah, I'd put personally Kaiden and Ashley at my bottom tier too. Maybe Kaiden and Liara in the second-to-bottom tier. Maybe.
woah now hey lets not wow
As a result, you probably play his mission relatively early in the game, and in that mission he acts unhinged and psychopathic. Since you haven't really had time to do anything with him at that point (unlike the other characters, who you probably took on some other missions and talked to several times before their loyalty missions unlock) this is the formative impression you get of him.
Regardless I think Zaeed is awesome and everyone who doesn't think so is wrong
edit: Here I use "you" in the general sense. I'm not actually trying to call out anyone in particular, its just the most serviceable pronoun.
My god if you hated Grunt for his very politely worded feelings of anger... You are getting a flogging if you liked Jack.
Twenty years of merc'ing and a burning desire for vengeance will inure someone to bystander casualties. It's not like he guns them down himself. It's not the virtuous thing to do, but that's what I like about him. One of the few characters who isn't relentlessly lightside.
It makes Nihlus seem more clever than someone who would turn their back on an obvious traitor.
I'm completely and totally serious.
And I've actually taken Zaeed on several missions and not just his loyalty one. The guy grinds my nerves to bits, and I'm very much considering letting his ass die next time I do his loyalty mission.
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you are mentally ill. i am prescribing you 300 mg of jason statham, stat
You only get the option to leave him there if you do it after the suicide mission, don't you?
Because then it would probably be easier just to send him to do something that gets him killed during the mission.
Yeah, it's only available after the main mission.
dammit, I forgot to do that on my last playthrough. ARGH. Oh well. Guess I'll have to do that once I get the firepower pack and run through the game for a 6th time or whatever I'm up to now.
Oh? He's not the one saying "Do it or I'll shoot you in the back with Jessie when the Collectors come calling"?