pot culture, on the other hand, does seem to endorse socially dropping out and wearing around hempt tees and ridiculous knit hats.
No, that would be popular culture's depiction of pot culture because the financial leaders smoking a joint instead of a cigar and talking about the Wallstreet Journal aren't as funny.
Drunks are approximately a hundred times worse than potheads.
The worst I'd ever had to deal with from any pothead was a mild pot smell (which isn't exactly fair because I kind of enjoy it but let's count it as a negative) and overaffection.
The worst I've dealt with with drunks is belligerence, aggression, and just blinding stupidity.
I mean, it's pretty clear which is worse if you're going to judge.
EH, I've drank with a lot of people and I've only ever come across one guy who had a tendancy to get violent when drunk.
I solved that by avoiding him after it became clear he had that tendancy.
By far the most common experiences I've had with people who are drunk is laughter. Well, laughter and deep conversations that probably aren't deep at all and no one remembers the next day.
it's not going to give you alcohol poisoning but if you drink over 110 oz of beer and it's not spread out over a day, it's not 'a little bit'. i imagine the average 180 lb guy couldn't drive after that.
How well you can drive should not be a measure of how drunk you are. Jesus. That is the stupidest thing.
i'm talking about legally.
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Also I have a sudden desire to read the fuck out of Promethea.
from what i hear the most damning generalization you can make about potheads is that they are boring, boring people
yeah
it also tends to destroy lives in kind of a slow-motion sort of way.
i guess part of my beef is that, while booze culture isn't always wonderful, it generally has a pretty strong admonition against letting drinking take over one's life. pot culture almost celebrates the idea of letting pot take over one's life, i guess maybe because it's a young or underground subculture or whatever.
i mean, if you pick up the various periodicals surrounding booze - Wine Snob or Beer Afficianado or whatever, they tend to want to class drinking with living a glamorous high life. Maybe this is kind of irresponsible in its own way, but it's definitely not celebrating the 12-pack of MGD per night bro or the stinking alcoholic in the gutter. High Times, on the other hand, tends to celebrate hemp-wearing dropouts.
Alright this is just stupid.
I am not talking about freaking magazines. I'm talking about actual people who drink and others who smoke.
Pretty much 100% of the whole "spring break" mentality at most colleges is "drink to excess, all the time." In my first post I specifically complained about people who drink to excess, and who then look down on people who smoke pot. The fact that this magazine or that magazine said some stupid shit doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying.
You're reaching quite a bit, here.
Your opinion on people who smoke pot does not have much to do with my original point. If you're someone who gets drunk and looks down on people who do a comparable activity with a safer drug a comparable amount, you're a hypocrite. If you don't, you're not. If you just generally don't like being around potheads that's nice, but that's neither here nor there.
Maybe this is a cultural or generational thing, but I can't see how you can claim our current drink culture doesn't encourage binge drinking with a straight face.
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it also tends to destroy lives in kind of a slow-motion sort of way.
i guess part of my beef is that, while booze culture isn't always wonderful, it generally has a pretty strong admonition against letting drinking take over one's life. pot culture almost celebrates the idea of letting pot take over one's life, i guess maybe because it's a young or underground subculture or whatever.
i mean, if you pick up the various periodicals surrounding booze - Wine Snob or Beer Afficianado or whatever, they tend to want to class drinking with living a glamorous high life. Maybe this is kind of irresponsible in its own way, but it's definitely not celebrating the 12-pack of MGD per night bro or the stinking alcoholic in the gutter. High Times, on the other hand, tends to celebrate hemp-wearing dropouts.
Can you name one? How many High Times have you read? I assert that the parallels between the frat-bro binge drinker and the trustafarian 420-all-day-every-day smoker versus your oenophile or Podly and a guy in a suit and tie picking up his kindbud on the way home from the office make this point moot.
can i name one what?
i don't subscribe to high times, as you might have guessed, but the bit that i've leafed through them, they were definitely not shying away from celebrating the stereotypes.
to be clear, i don't think that the failing-out-of-college alcoholic bro is any better than the failing-out-of-college pothead whiteboy with dreads. i just think that the former is looked down upon within his subculture, while the latter is not.
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As Harry Hill once said, the thing about heroin is that it's very moreish.
physically it's really not so dangerous if taken in sane amounts. Trouble is the risk stays the same but desire to do more and more gets worse.
Last year I lived with a girl who's parents are police officers. As such she's privy to some of the more disgusting things the justice system does.
For example, heroin addicts are often arrested, and sentenced to jail for x months. During this period of time they'd have a very hard time getting a hold of any heroin and so their tolerance to it is lowered, yet they still desire it.
Then when they get out of jail, they go back to their dealer. They buy their heroin and take as much as they did before jail but without the tolerance so they OD and then die.
The system is rigged for them to kill themselves, and nobody gives a shit.
So before Governor Good Hair, and Governor Shrub, Texas had a program where drug offenders were placed into rehab. The recidivism rate was very low and it cost less to put a user in that program then it cost to place him into prison. The program was killed under Governor Shrub because while it was wildly effective, it wasn't tough enough on crime. The impressive part is that being Governor of Texas is a do nothing job. You have so little power that you can't do much. But he could do that.
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Drunks are approximately a hundred times worse than potheads.
The worst I'd ever had to deal with from any pothead was a mild pot smell (which isn't exactly fair because I kind of enjoy it but let's count it as a negative) and overaffection.
The worst I've dealt with with drunks is belligerence, aggression, and just blinding stupidity.
I mean, it's pretty clear which is worse if you're going to judge.
EH, I've drank with a lot of people and I've only ever come across one guy who had a tendancy to get violent when drunk.
I solved that by avoiding him after it became clear he had that tendancy.
By far the most common experiences I've had with people who are drunk is laughter. Well, laughter and deep conversations that probably aren't deep at all and no one remembers the next day.
Oh yeah, I don't find too many people who get nasty when they're drunk.
Still, I've pretty much never heard of a violent pothead.
This silly alcohol or pot culture stuff, though. I mean, if someone makes either of those a significant part of their life, of course they're being foolish.
i don't subscribe to high times, as you might have guessed, but the bit that i've leafed through them, they were definitely not shying away from celebrating the stereotypes.
I dunno, the few times I've flipped through High Times in a Borders bookstore, there have been comic strips explicitly mocking hippie burnouts that do nothing but smoke pot and the like.
it also tends to destroy lives in kind of a slow-motion sort of way.
i guess part of my beef is that, while booze culture isn't always wonderful, it generally has a pretty strong admonition against letting drinking take over one's life. pot culture almost celebrates the idea of letting pot take over one's life, i guess maybe because it's a young or underground subculture or whatever.
i mean, if you pick up the various periodicals surrounding booze - Wine Snob or Beer Afficianado or whatever, they tend to want to class drinking with living a glamorous high life. Maybe this is kind of irresponsible in its own way, but it's definitely not celebrating the 12-pack of MGD per night bro or the stinking alcoholic in the gutter. High Times, on the other hand, tends to celebrate hemp-wearing dropouts.
Can you name one? How many High Times have you read? I assert that the parallels between the frat-bro binge drinker and the trustafarian 420-all-day-every-day smoker versus your oenophile or Podly and a guy in a suit and tie picking up his kindbud on the way home from the office make this point moot.
can i name one what?
i don't subscribe to high times, as you might have guessed, but the bit that i've leafed through them, they were definitely not shying away from celebrating the stereotypes.
to be clear, i don't think that the failing-out-of-college alcoholic bro is any better than the failing-out-of-college pothead whiteboy with dreads. i just think that the former is looked down upon within his subculture, while the latter is not.
I don't see how you could possibly make the claim that someone failing out of college is not looked down on in a subculture as broad as "people who smoke pot."
People who fail out of college are failures no matter what subculture you belong to. I guess other than the "failed out of college and proud of it" subculture, but that's not the same as the pot subculture despite your ridiculous claims here.
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it also tends to destroy lives in kind of a slow-motion sort of way.
i guess part of my beef is that, while booze culture isn't always wonderful, it generally has a pretty strong admonition against letting drinking take over one's life. pot culture almost celebrates the idea of letting pot take over one's life, i guess maybe because it's a young or underground subculture or whatever.
i mean, if you pick up the various periodicals surrounding booze - Wine Snob or Beer Afficianado or whatever, they tend to want to class drinking with living a glamorous high life. Maybe this is kind of irresponsible in its own way, but it's definitely not celebrating the 12-pack of MGD per night bro or the stinking alcoholic in the gutter. High Times, on the other hand, tends to celebrate hemp-wearing dropouts.
Can you name one? How many High Times have you read? I assert that the parallels between the frat-bro binge drinker and the trustafarian 420-all-day-every-day smoker versus your oenophile or Podly and a guy in a suit and tie picking up his kindbud on the way home from the office make this point moot.
can i name one what?
i don't subscribe to high times, as you might have guessed, but the bit that i've leafed through them, they were definitely not shying away from celebrating the stereotypes.
to be clear, i don't think that the failing-out-of-college alcoholic bro is any better than the failing-out-of-college pothead whiteboy with dreads. i just think that the former is looked down upon within his subculture, while the latter is not.
I meant 'name one hemp-wearing dropout celebrated by High Times'.
Really, though, we should be comparing alcohol culture during prohibition with this apparent pot culture you're perceiving today. Hint: The successful daily smokers are not the ones most likely to publicize their habit because some people look down on it irrationally.
the gm wasn't there, but the woman who interviewed me (customer service manager) was
as soon as she saw me her face lit up "oh, he finally called you to start?" and i went no, actually, i was coming in to thank you for the interview and to follow up
and she said "hmmm" and went in the office to phone him
she said he didn't answer so she left him another note, and told me the other two interviews they had since went poorly- and that i should be expecting a call from him any day
Will you seem to be making claims about things you really only have the vaguest grasp of. And your knowledge seems limited to pre-conceived stereotypes.
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I am not talking about freaking magazines. I'm talking about actual people who drink and others who smoke.
Pretty much 100% of the whole "spring break" mentality at most colleges is "drink to excess, all the time." In my first post I specifically complained about people who drink to excess, and who then look down on people who smoke pot. The fact that this magazine or that magazine said some stupid shit doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying.
You're reaching quite a bit, here.
Your opinion on people who smoke pot does not have much to do with my original point. If you're someone who gets drunk and looks down on people who do a comparable activity with a safer drug a comparable amount, you're a hypocrite. If you don't, you're not. If you just generally don't like being around potheads that's nice, but that's neither here nor there.
it seems to me that what you're grousing about is that it makes you mad when group X looks down on group Y because of some metric of "hypocricy"
i guess what i am saying is that mutual animosity or condescention between subcultures isn't a big deal or something to get upset about, and also that pot smoking and drinking are distinct enough activities and subcultures that disliking or looking down on one while engaging in the other doesn't rise to the level of "hypocricy" to me.
Will you seem to be making claims about things you really only have the vaguest grasp of. And your knowledge seems limited to pre-conceived stereotypes.
I feel like when Will was a youth he took everything he was told as fact and then when he hit like 18 or something he learned about skepticism and really liked it and has applied it to everything he has heard since, but not retroactively.
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Ultimately subcultures surrounding any of the stuff I consume or partake in are almost never a thing for me.
I'm not into gamer culture, alcohol culture, pot culture, in any kind of roleplaying culture, whatever. I just do what I like and try to ignore all the stupid bullshit that might or might not be attached to it in some way.
Will, the issue is that you don't actually know what constitutes said culture. You are a cool dude but this is a pretty absurdly common occurence. You seem to get your knowledge of The Other from sitcoms and soccer moms and old people.
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Will you seem to be making claims about things you really only have the vaguest grasp of. And your knowledge seems limited to pre-conceived stereotypes.
I work with a couple of functioning alcoholics and they are visibly declining in a rather obvious way. Both only keep it together purely because the owners are very loyal types and that is all. It is very sad but kind of.nice that someone gives a crappy about them
In their cases it certainly is not classy
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Will you seem to be making claims about things you really only have the vaguest grasp of. And your knowledge seems limited to pre-conceived stereotypes.
well, my knowledge of pot culture comes from a few pothead friends i had in high school, a few pothead friends in college, and an ex-girlfriend who was really fascinated with pot culture and tried to kind of be a hanger-on with the potheads she'd meet but hada government job and couldn't smoke herself.
so i'll cede that i don't know much about the adult professional pot culture such as it is.
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No, that would be popular culture's depiction of pot culture because the financial leaders smoking a joint instead of a cigar and talking about the Wallstreet Journal aren't as funny.
EH, I've drank with a lot of people and I've only ever come across one guy who had a tendancy to get violent when drunk.
I solved that by avoiding him after it became clear he had that tendancy.
By far the most common experiences I've had with people who are drunk is laughter. Well, laughter and deep conversations that probably aren't deep at all and no one remembers the next day.
No, you roll around in your filth like the happy pig you are.
i'm talking about legally.
Woah, that's a big change in philosophy. You do know you'll lose your character if you do that, right?
I am not talking about freaking magazines. I'm talking about actual people who drink and others who smoke.
Pretty much 100% of the whole "spring break" mentality at most colleges is "drink to excess, all the time." In my first post I specifically complained about people who drink to excess, and who then look down on people who smoke pot. The fact that this magazine or that magazine said some stupid shit doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying.
You're reaching quite a bit, here.
Your opinion on people who smoke pot does not have much to do with my original point. If you're someone who gets drunk and looks down on people who do a comparable activity with a safer drug a comparable amount, you're a hypocrite. If you don't, you're not. If you just generally don't like being around potheads that's nice, but that's neither here nor there.
eep!
eep!
okay, no.
Also it's not a change in philosophy - I fully expect to go back at some point - I just want to make space. Hmmm.
can i name one what?
i don't subscribe to high times, as you might have guessed, but the bit that i've leafed through them, they were definitely not shying away from celebrating the stereotypes.
to be clear, i don't think that the failing-out-of-college alcoholic bro is any better than the failing-out-of-college pothead whiteboy with dreads. i just think that the former is looked down upon within his subculture, while the latter is not.
So before Governor Good Hair, and Governor Shrub, Texas had a program where drug offenders were placed into rehab. The recidivism rate was very low and it cost less to put a user in that program then it cost to place him into prison. The program was killed under Governor Shrub because while it was wildly effective, it wasn't tough enough on crime. The impressive part is that being Governor of Texas is a do nothing job. You have so little power that you can't do much. But he could do that.
Oh yeah, I don't find too many people who get nasty when they're drunk.
Still, I've pretty much never heard of a violent pothead.
This silly alcohol or pot culture stuff, though. I mean, if someone makes either of those a significant part of their life, of course they're being foolish.
I dunno, the few times I've flipped through High Times in a Borders bookstore, there have been comic strips explicitly mocking hippie burnouts that do nothing but smoke pot and the like.
People who fail out of college are failures no matter what subculture you belong to. I guess other than the "failed out of college and proud of it" subculture, but that's not the same as the pot subculture despite your ridiculous claims here.
Everything.
When he buys yogurt he questions its culture.
I meant 'name one hemp-wearing dropout celebrated by High Times'.
Really, though, we should be comparing alcohol culture during prohibition with this apparent pot culture you're perceiving today. Hint: The successful daily smokers are not the ones most likely to publicize their habit because some people look down on it irrationally.
in my
the gm wasn't there, but the woman who interviewed me (customer service manager) was
as soon as she saw me her face lit up "oh, he finally called you to start?" and i went no, actually, i was coming in to thank you for the interview and to follow up
and she said "hmmm" and went in the office to phone him
she said he didn't answer so she left him another note, and told me the other two interviews they had since went poorly- and that i should be expecting a call from him any day
she'd better not be playing me! *wags fist*
This was a very well, if untentionally done, joke.
*runs around room naked*
sorry it was intentional
i was just kidding about having gone there in a gorilla suit
i actually grey slacks and a white dress shrt
Hurray for whatever!
it seems to me that what you're grousing about is that it makes you mad when group X looks down on group Y because of some metric of "hypocricy"
i guess what i am saying is that mutual animosity or condescention between subcultures isn't a big deal or something to get upset about, and also that pot smoking and drinking are distinct enough activities and subcultures that disliking or looking down on one while engaging in the other doesn't rise to the level of "hypocricy" to me.
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I feel like when Will was a youth he took everything he was told as fact and then when he hit like 18 or something he learned about skepticism and really liked it and has applied it to everything he has heard since, but not retroactively.
when he was joking about culture
and didn't realize it?
YOU SEE
HERE ARE THE TERRIBLE EFFECTS OF CASUAL DRUG USE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU
I'm not into gamer culture, alcohol culture, pot culture, in any kind of roleplaying culture, whatever. I just do what I like and try to ignore all the stupid bullshit that might or might not be attached to it in some way.
Doritos are also made with a fungi culture on them, to make the cooking process go faster.
Wow.
SHOCKING I TELL YOU!
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In their cases it certainly is not classy
well, my knowledge of pot culture comes from a few pothead friends i had in high school, a few pothead friends in college, and an ex-girlfriend who was really fascinated with pot culture and tried to kind of be a hanger-on with the potheads she'd meet but hada government job and couldn't smoke herself.
so i'll cede that i don't know much about the adult professional pot culture such as it is.
Cheeses have cultures too.