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Scythean owns so hard
So when should I use Precursors? I picked up the full unit plus the UA during the black friday sale at thewarstore.com, so I feel like I should get some use out of them.
I saw boxed set, striders, scythean, nephilim bolt thrower, I'm guessing the strider UA, and something else?
Actually im getting the Strider UA for my birthday next week. Its pThag and more stingers as they were ordered before I wanted the boxed set
Personally, I'm a big fan of the Ironclad so I'd suggest dropping the things you suggested to try and squeeze one in. It really is a great, cheap, cost-effective warjack that will almost always make its points back. I mean, it's got:
- Decent stats all 'round for a heavy warjack
- High P+S on one arm and an always versatile open fist on the other
- A totally sweet critical
Unless I'm using Sloan, I never field a Cygnar list without mine; and I'm seriously considering taking it with her anyway because I love the damn thing so much.
That's a hard question for me to answer since I don't own any, so I've never used them.. They're pretty good with eHaley since Deceleration doesn't need to target them. The same can be said of Positive Charge, Invincibility, Disruption Field, etc. Honestly they seem to be a great meat shield unit for an otherwise shooty focused army, especially with Rhupert (duh).
Here's my suggestion to begin with: Drop Versh and The Gun Mage UA for the Black 13th and see how that works out. But if you want to fit that Ironclad in there: Drop Versh, drop the Precursors down to a minimum, swap out the Gun Mages for the Black 13th, that picks you up an Ironclad and that'll give you enough points to either pick up Strangeways or upgrade the Lancer to Thorn.
What problems did you seem to be having with the list, though, out of curiosity? Or was it just the Precursors?
The major problem with my current eHaley list is cracking really heavy armor. I've got a stormclad, which I bond, but If I lose that I have to hope that I can roll well with the Precursor's minifeat, otherwise I don't have a good way of taking down heavies. I've been losing my Stormclad with depressing frequency.
I don't think the b13 would add anything to the list as it is. I've already got anti-stealth in the normal gun mages, and anything that brutal damage shots threaten is also vulnerable to haley's spells, the Precursor Knights and critical brutal shots from deadeyed gun mages. I think that they would make a good on-the-cheap substitute for the full gun mage unit though.
What do you think about dropping Rhupert as well, and upgrading the Ironclad to a Defender? with Temporal Acceleration, eHaley can get two shots a turn out of it, and it would still provide an ok anti-armor punch. That would shift my focus more toward the ranged side of things, and let use the PKs as a tarpit instead of as a hammer.
I like idea about running Stormblades + Jr. instead of PKs. I hope I didn't come across as rejecting your advice out of hand. I'll try it out next time I have a chance.
My take on the Precursor Knights they extremely durable - they lasted three turns of pitched melee with the Avatar of Menoth and a Reckoner, plus some intermittent choir and vassal support. On their mini-feat turn they knocked most of the boxes off of the avatar, but unfortunately failed to cripple it's weapons. With Versh, my whole front line may not be targeted with spells, and I have a good answer to buffed units. The full unit really wants to be up against other, tough infantry. There are too many of them to really crowd around heavy jacks to deal maximum pain. With deceleration and Rhupert they can really just ignore shooting entirely.
It's a simplified way of looking at things, but eHaley has no cost-efficient way to increase damage output or put a lot of damage into a lot of targets. TA and bonding are great, but they offer no focus efficiency. eHaley vs. heavy armor falls into two categories:
(1) Match-ups where you can TK, time bomb, and feat them into helplessless.
(2) Match-ups where you should be playing somebody else.
The alternative is coming out to your FLGS for a fun diversion with a jack-heavy pNemo list, and you just so happen to end up fighting your Cryx buddy who was randomly testing out his pSkarre theme list with a million Satyxis Raiders. Shit.
I'm just now getting into Warmachine/Hordes, hoping I can revive the local community in the city here. Seems like it's died down a bit... anyway, I'm waiting on my Hordes book to come in and just had a question.
I know you guys advise getting one of the warpacks to start with, right? I was wondering what models come in the Legion of Everblight warpack, or is it randomized to some extent?
You can look up the contents on the PP website if you want to compare it to others, too.
Thanks for the help, looks like I'll be picking up that warpack!
Is it three Shredders now? Back in the day it used to be four, but with the change in point costs, the Legion box ended up being 2-3 points more than any of the other ones, so I could see them dropping a Shredder to making it more even points-wise.
Agreed, the idea behind them rocks, but the stats just don't quite back up the awesome.
Also I was going to pick up Cassius but 32 bucks is a lot to spend
It hasn't changed, so it's 4. I was mistaken.
Wilder vs Nuala, eh, I'd say both about the same usefulness. Depending, of course, on your list, but fury management is definitely useful.
Cassius seems to be wrecking face recently for a lot of people in my local stores. 11 fury warcasters are scary. Only problem is that souls go to fury before you Reave from beasts, so there is always issues there.
But 32 bucks is outside the impulse buy range
I've been wanting a Deliverer Caster for years. The closest I get is eFeora with her "I can't believe it's not a character" Redeemer.
4e owns hell yeah son
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But even so I'm pretty pumped for whenever PP releases their IK RPG. As long as it isn't based on d20.
Hoping for some news on it at Lock and Load next summer. That and I think I and the rest of my crew would like to hear Seacat lecture for hours on the fluff of the IK.
Sweet. Sounds him and my friend (Who authored our RPG book we just put out and can also lure people with tales abound) will back and forth for hours given a chance.
@SJ: Doug Seacat, main fluff writer for PP
SEACAT!!!
/hey-o
That's cause fluff r srs bsns.