Okay maybe it does deserve comment, but im just saying I think that kind of commentary is silly. Like getting worked up about the pro-violence message in Diehard.
avatar was dull and could've done more in less time
Its dullness is an opinion (one which objectively I happen to have the majority of 'critics' on my side, not that that gives me any superiority, as its a subjective thing, etc), and lots of movies could do more in less time, doesnt make them bad films.
My main problem with Avatar was really that the hero's journey was so devoid of any real struggle or hard decisions. Jake didn't have to sacrifice anything by siding with the aliens. He didn't have anything tying him to the humans. It was just so empty.
Well he had military service, which had given him direction and purpose, and he didnt KNOW that he would be transfered into a furry body, so in his mind he was pretty much sacrificing the ability to ever walk again or return to the service by siding with the smurfs. I mean its not Sophie's choice but its tough.
If the worst sci-fi action we were getting was Avatar it would be a good thing. But its rare you get something in this genre with better pacing, action, spectacle or depth (im not saying any of these were groundbreaking or fantastic, im just saying theres not much else out there). If big budget blockbusters were all like this itd be a good time to be alive.
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Say what you will about James Cameron, his films are all paced well, solid, and the action direction is pitch-perfect, visually and thematically you always know whats going on. Compare that to the clusterfuck action sequences most Blockbusters devolve into now and you cant tell me its "the worst thing ever".
Im not arguing Avatar is a masterpiece, but its when people say "its utter dogshit worst movie ever" that I get my titties in a twist.
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it may not be the worst movie but it also didn't merit the boatloads of money it made
i'll say that about tons of movies, including the shitty Bayformers movies
Look be as dismissive and patronising as you like but the majority of critical opinion agrees with me, im not some deluded nut or incapable of intellectually defending my opinions. You are in the minority even amongst film critics. Not that I place much stock in that (I hate a lot of rotten tomatoes 90%+ films), but I also dont smugly dismiss people who happen to like critically and commercially popular films.
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Look be as dismissive and patronising as you like but the majority of critical opinion agrees with me, im not some deluded nut or incapable of intellectually defending my opinions. You are in the minority even amongst film critics. Not that I place much stock in that (I hate a lot of rotten tomatoes 90%+ films), but I also dont smugly dismiss people who happen to like critically popular films.
Yes, because critics are always right, and never say anything idiotic, and only like great things. Yep. Yes siree.
Look be as dismissive and patronising as you like but the majority of critical opinion agrees with me, im not some deluded nut or incapable of intellectually defending my opinions. You are in the minority even amongst film critics. Not that I place much stock in that (I hate a lot of rotten tomatoes 90%+ films), but I also dont smugly dismiss people who happen to like critically popular films.
Yes, because critics are always right, and never say anything idiotic, and only like great things. Yep. Yes siree.
I am obviously not saying this, cmon. Read my post, I hate films critics like and vice versa. What im saying is that being treated like some little kid with a patronising smiley-face because I happen to be defending a film doesnt do anti any favours. He or someone else in this thread also said the film is intellectually indefensible, im arguing that its not, and the majority of critical opinion supports me on this. Im not saying that the consensus is right, im just saying HE is in the minority so shoudlnt be the one doling out face-palms at my opinions.
And quality was rewarded, because the majority of people thought it was good quality. You are not the sole possessor of what does and does not deserve praise or commercial rewards.
See, I liked the colonel guy, he knew his mission, and didn't give a fuck about anything in his way. He wasn't getting paid to care about blue people, he was getting paid to protect people stripmining the planet (moon, whatever). And he was good at what he did. He wasn't some fuckup, yeah he was beat, but it was because he had a traitor, and didn't know the extent of his enemy. I absolutely hate stupid, incompetent, and cowardly bad guys.
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I'm a girl, Prohass. Nor did I say it's intellectually indefensible.
Note: not dissing on Twilight, I love Twilight, but come the fuck on, that series didn't deserve 10% of the money it has currently made. Same thing with Scary Movie
It made a boatload of money because it had a simple story that translates well internationally. Whether it deserves to or not who cares.
This same logic can be extended
Using your logic, I can say that you're a fan of every single Scary Movie and Twilight film, because they have simple stories, and made lots of money
You're taking me out of context. Im not saying he should like it because it made money, im saying that whether it did or did not is irrelevant to the quality of the film. And his opinion on the quality of the film is irrelevant as to whether it deserves to make money.
This mainly comes down to that smiley face. That bastard smiley face. Strident smugness does not translate over the internet well. So im just kinda annoyed at that. We should probably go back to talking about Aliens.
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So now you're only saying that people shouldn't have opinions, because opinions are irrelevant
Im saying that people shouldnt stridently dismiss the intellect and defensibility of others opinions, especially when in the minority. Which I guess is the same. I dont know any more.
My apologies Anti, someone did at some point, I had thought it was you. Also on the gender thing, apologies all round!
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Note: not dissing on Twilight, I love Twilight, but come the fuck on, that series didn't deserve 10% of the money it has currently made. Same thing with Scary Movie
I love the first two Twilight movies. Having been dragged to see them, I went in with such low expectations, I kind of enjoyed the fight scenes in the first, and the second one actually reminded me of what being a teenager in love felt like, which very few romantic-teen movies do. Its ugly, stupid and you cry a lot for stupid reasons. Twilight 2 reflected that. I havent seen the rest nor do I want to, my interest was mainly a kind of defensive reaction of "well Im here so I might as well enjoy it".
I just dont get this animosity towards the film, which I assume comes mainly from how popular it was, which was because of its simplicity and universality.
I just dont get this animosity towards the film, which I assume comes mainly from how popular it was, which was because of its simplicity and universality.
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While both are decent movies, they just aren't something I would sit through more than the once.
Its dullness is an opinion (one which objectively I happen to have the majority of 'critics' on my side, not that that gives me any superiority, as its a subjective thing, etc), and lots of movies could do more in less time, doesnt make them bad films.
Oh ok.
huh
My condolences
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If the worst sci-fi action we were getting was Avatar it would be a good thing. But its rare you get something in this genre with better pacing, action, spectacle or depth (im not saying any of these were groundbreaking or fantastic, im just saying theres not much else out there). If big budget blockbusters were all like this itd be a good time to be alive.
Im not arguing Avatar is a masterpiece, but its when people say "its utter dogshit worst movie ever" that I get my titties in a twist.
i'll say that about tons of movies, including the shitty Bayformers movies
Look be as dismissive and patronising as you like but the majority of critical opinion agrees with me, im not some deluded nut or incapable of intellectually defending my opinions. You are in the minority even amongst film critics. Not that I place much stock in that (I hate a lot of rotten tomatoes 90%+ films), but I also dont smugly dismiss people who happen to like critically and commercially popular films.
Yes, because critics are always right, and never say anything idiotic, and only like great things. Yep. Yes siree.
Steam
it was thoroughly mediocre in almost every aspect
it had better computer graphics than many other films before it, and it somehow convinced other directors to shoot in 3-D
I am obviously not saying this, cmon. Read my post, I hate films critics like and vice versa. What im saying is that being treated like some little kid with a patronising smiley-face because I happen to be defending a film doesnt do anti any favours. He or someone else in this thread also said the film is intellectually indefensible, im arguing that its not, and the majority of critical opinion supports me on this. Im not saying that the consensus is right, im just saying HE is in the minority so shoudlnt be the one doling out face-palms at my opinions.
And quality was rewarded, because the majority of people thought it was good quality. You are not the sole possessor of what does and does not deserve praise or commercial rewards.
This same logic can be extended
Using your logic, I can say that you're a fan of every single Scary Movie and Twilight film, because they have simple stories, and made lots of money
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Steam
You're taking me out of context. Im not saying he should like it because it made money, im saying that whether it did or did not is irrelevant to the quality of the film. And his opinion on the quality of the film is irrelevant as to whether it deserves to make money.
This mainly comes down to that smiley face. That bastard smiley face. Strident smugness does not translate over the internet well. So im just kinda annoyed at that. We should probably go back to talking about Aliens.
So now you're only saying that people shouldn't have opinions, because opinions are irrelevant
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Im saying that people shouldnt stridently dismiss the intellect and defensibility of others opinions, especially when in the minority. Which I guess is the same. I dont know any more.
My apologies Anti, someone did at some point, I had thought it was you. Also on the gender thing, apologies all round!
apologies for being patronizing
You love Twilight? Seriously?
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For a second there I thought that was YaYa.
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Whether other people liked it or not doesn't matter at all.
You did before?