Also have people mentioned that the entire concept of the Aliens is that they represent rape?
In the first one, Lambert dies by an Alien tail up her ass.
Thank you! Man. I mention this to people, they're all "what, that doesn't happen."
It uses the tail to rip her clothes off - cause when Ripley finally arrives, you see Lambert's naked leg/foot dripping with blood. How do people not get that?
And if that wasn't clue enough, there's that final scream she makes. You know, that horrible one that becomes all gurgly and then goes super high pitched at the end. That pretty much makes it clear as crystal.
What I want to know is, in years to come are we going to call it Alien: Prometheus (A:P). It might not have Alien in the title but it is clearly an Alien film set in the Alien universe, just no actual Xenomorphs on screen. Though i'd say we're gonna get eggs and/or facehuggers. It's clearly part of the franchise, it's not just some generic sci-fi movie called Prometheus.
Let's not call it that, because that would probably give me cancer.
You know I was thinking, are the aliens in aliens really that dangerous? I mean they seem desperate to keep them off Earth. But if you replace all the aliens in the aliens films with Polar Bears, I think you'd see the same results. Without all the mouth rape though.
I guess what I'm really saying is that the most dangerous animal, is kill all Polar Bears.
I think its the cunning malevolence factor, I bet you put a polar bear on gigantic clanking sprawling spaceship and it's just going to sit around a lot. Also it dosn't need to jam its ebryonic young down your neckhole to reproduce. Plus if you shoot it in the face its blood probably won't melt through the hull, unless I know way less about polar bears than I thought I did.
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"oh yeah to beat the humans we need to go back to the land maaaaaaan"
Fuck off.
You know how they should have ended that film? The humans get kicked out, Sam Worthington gets changed into his furry body, then he nicks his big toe on a sharp rock and dies in agony three days later of a virulent infection because they don't have any medical technology more advanced than smush up a plant and then eat it/rub it on you/do a magic dance.
But that is just the main thing that grinds my gears. Humans = Good. Aliens = Bad. You want to be a good human? Be more like the aliens in every way! Basically, there is no balance. There is no intelligent, sensitive weighing of the situation and both sides and how there are good guys working for the company trying to do a job or actually help the aliens, and bad aliens who really are just xenophobic anti-progressives. It's all just so simplistic. And I say this as someone who likes to read about superheroes beat up bad guys.
Also, the whole "the only way to true peace/understanding/enlightenment/great sex is to live in perfect harmony with the land." Yeah well you kind of have an advantage there in that you can actually, you know, connect your brains to your giant, world-spanning ecosystem and ask it for what you want. Which is kind of unique to you.
But that is just the main thing that grinds my gears. Humans = Good. Aliens = Bad. You want to be a good human? Be more like the aliens in every way! Basically, there is no balance. There is no intelligent, sensitive weighing of the situation and both sides and how there are good guys working for the company trying to do a job or actually help the aliens, and bad aliens who really are just xenophobic anti-progressives.
There actually is one scene in the extended edition, wherein the Na'vi straightup murder a bunch of marines before any hostilities break out, so it shows you that there is animosity and cyclical-violence on both sides. It annoys me they took it out.
There is balance, Sigourney Weaver's character is a perfect example of this. She understands that there is something physiological going on beyond the spiritual stuff. The main company guy (not the military dude, who is a classic disney evil character, and plays it well and is a lot of fun) does seem genuinly remorseful at what he has to do despite his bravado, but the pressure from a company which represents a dying earth is too great.
If you want to ignore the details and just give a footnotes version you can mangle any movie into simplicity. Im not saying its a fucking masterpiece but its a solid action-sci-fi in a world of Transformers and other garbage ill take Avatar.
Luckily for the aliens who are so much like humans they probably share more DNA than chimpanzees, Sam Worthington showed up to become a better alien in six months than any of them who'd been aliens their whole lives.
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I just dont get this animosity towards the film, which I assume comes mainly from how popular it was, which was because of its simplicity and universality. It is a sci-fi fantasy with disney overtones, enjoy it for that, getting all worked up about post-colonial patronising of indigenous peoples and the message that respecting (or 'going back' to) nature is flawed is just so goddamn silly, and assuming its left-wing American-centric nonsense that ignores the nuances of life and the human condition is kinda funny given how fucking phenomenally well it did internationally, used as a banner and a calling card for a lot of environmental and rights groups, particularly in China and India,etc.
Avatar may be boring to you, but I found Transformers more boring, 'opinions horrah' isnt really what im looking to argue here.
In peoples rush to be super-sensitive about post-colonialism we kind of arrogantly dismiss stories that actually appeal to oppressed groups we're trying to protect from our reduction of them to simple stereotypes.
now, this is seperate to the fact that its a bad film and 1 dimensionality and poor story and plotting etc, it jsut grinds my gears when people act all high and mighty because they've seen through the hippy bullshit and are super enlightened about why Avatar is flawed. Its just a big dumb movie with a 'free willy' environmental theme, its not claiming to have all the solutions, and if you think it did, you watched a different movie to me.
It is a sci-fi fantasy with disney overtones, enjoy it for that, getting all worked up about post-colonial patronising of indigenous peoples and the message that respecting (or 'going back' to) nature is flawed is just so goddamn silly
Why? It's painfully fucking stupid at best, I reckon it deserves comment.
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the universe is a cruel sort
No.
No, it doesn't.
Let's not call it that, because that would probably give me cancer.
four years later, Pandora is nuclear glass
let that comfort you
I guess what I'm really saying is that the most dangerous animal, is kill all Polar Bears.
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Alien 3 = Polar Bear in jail
the aliens are a species that lives only to reproduce by finding a living host, raping them in their face and then hatching out of the host's chest
their secondary objective is to kill anything that gets in the way of that
so essentially their entire existence revolves around murdering everything around them, so a bit more dangerous than a polar bear yes
but bears thrive on murder
bears thrive on honey and sleeping for a really long time
you're thinking of mexican bees
And being chums with British schoolchildren.
Maybe that's only stuffed ones, though.
Why I fear the ocean.
you're thinking of mexican bees
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anal beads, then?
No, mexican bees.
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It's a habitable moon, actually.
I wish Avatar had been space Aztecs instead. That could have been really badass.
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It's one of the most syrupy movies ever
"oh yeah to beat the humans we need to go back to the land maaaaaaan"
Fuck off.
You know how they should have ended that film? The humans get kicked out, Sam Worthington gets changed into his furry body, then he nicks his big toe on a sharp rock and dies in agony three days later of a virulent infection because they don't have any medical technology more advanced than smush up a plant and then eat it/rub it on you/do a magic dance.
It's badly written and plotted as well
And the characters are one-dimensional
And the premise is pretty sketchy
But that is just the main thing that grinds my gears. Humans = Good. Aliens = Bad. You want to be a good human? Be more like the aliens in every way! Basically, there is no balance. There is no intelligent, sensitive weighing of the situation and both sides and how there are good guys working for the company trying to do a job or actually help the aliens, and bad aliens who really are just xenophobic anti-progressives. It's all just so simplistic. And I say this as someone who likes to read about superheroes beat up bad guys.
Also, the whole "the only way to true peace/understanding/enlightenment/great sex is to live in perfect harmony with the land." Yeah well you kind of have an advantage there in that you can actually, you know, connect your brains to your giant, world-spanning ecosystem and ask it for what you want. Which is kind of unique to you.
(posthuman paradise, I'm telling you)
There actually is one scene in the extended edition, wherein the Na'vi straightup murder a bunch of marines before any hostilities break out, so it shows you that there is animosity and cyclical-violence on both sides. It annoys me they took it out.
There is balance, Sigourney Weaver's character is a perfect example of this. She understands that there is something physiological going on beyond the spiritual stuff. The main company guy (not the military dude, who is a classic disney evil character, and plays it well and is a lot of fun) does seem genuinly remorseful at what he has to do despite his bravado, but the pressure from a company which represents a dying earth is too great.
If you want to ignore the details and just give a footnotes version you can mangle any movie into simplicity. Im not saying its a fucking masterpiece but its a solid action-sci-fi in a world of Transformers and other garbage ill take Avatar.
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I mean at least it has a plot and characters and an interesting setting and action scenes that make sense.
Transformers is garbage.
avatar was boring
as shitty as the transformers movies were, there were more exciting and fun moments in them
Avatar may be boring to you, but I found Transformers more boring, 'opinions horrah' isnt really what im looking to argue here.
In peoples rush to be super-sensitive about post-colonialism we kind of arrogantly dismiss stories that actually appeal to oppressed groups we're trying to protect from our reduction of them to simple stereotypes.
now, this is seperate to the fact that its a bad film and 1 dimensionality and poor story and plotting etc, it jsut grinds my gears when people act all high and mighty because they've seen through the hippy bullshit and are super enlightened about why Avatar is flawed. Its just a big dumb movie with a 'free willy' environmental theme, its not claiming to have all the solutions, and if you think it did, you watched a different movie to me.
Why? It's painfully fucking stupid at best, I reckon it deserves comment.
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