It is no secret that the Internet loves to hate things, and I love the Internet, so by the transitive property, I too hate everything. We shall now commence hating things in the thread about bad books and their even worse movie adaptations. Hating things is fun, however terrible things tend to split into two camps: the hugely popular yet remarkably flawed and the obscure but brain breakingly awful. The following is a place holder OP. There is something more substantive coming.
While there is a certain perverse pleasure to finding an obscure book to revel and discovery it's absurdities this pales in comparison to the intense relief at tearing down the latest sensation to infect the minds of everyone you know. It might be my curmudgeonly sensibilities sharpening in my old age but it seems to me that the publishing industries have discovered a new magic formula to produce works that become staggeringly popular and pop cultural phenomena.
The idea is to discuss and critique (not insult) bad books (NOT so-bad-they're-good books). Ideally, blockbuster books which are bad (so, most of them) but if you find or had read something utterly awful despite its obscurity then by all means, have at it.
Suggested lines of criticism
A lack of conceptual coherence
A lack of thematic coherence
Lack of narrative direction
Abuse and misuse of literary device
Lack of characterisation
Excessively shallow world building
Any kind of inconsistency
Insults toward the author or audience
Simple declarations ("This was boring.", "This was based on Mormonism and Mormons are weird.", "I this was boring", "You're an idiot not to like X, you think you know better than everyone else?")
Accusations of "overthinking it"
: "In the Wizard books a vast array of their magical devices and capabilities are in fact plot devices, to be used and discarded only when it is convenient to the plot, when in fact such devices would fundamentally change the nature of other conflicts and issues encountered in later books. In one particular instance such a device seems to have been added merely for the purposes of adding to the magical and whimsical atmosphere of the book, despite the fact that it would solve almost every issue encountered by the protagonists throughout the rest of the series - its usage within the narrative being rather superficial and rather contrived manner by which to arrange the players into their respective positions where other less extravagant methods would have served equally well while providing the same narrative messages."
: "The vampire books are boring and dumb. People who like this are stupid."
Bear in mind that the preferred targets are popular and thus particular books and series will be have larger followings within the forums. Likewise, you might think that other books are quite good but contain a number of problematic elements which need to be discussed. For those books in particular (say the wizard book, not the vampire book) bear in mind that negative views will
be controversial and I urge you as a detractor to take extra care in expressing your opinion and assessment of the text. The aim is not to be excessively inflammatory we do not want to start a screaming match and get the glorious thread about hating bad things locked. Likewise, I urge those who disagree, particularly if they are disagreeing with a minority view to take care in responding to the proponents of that view and try to bear in mind that responding when greatly outnumbered is extremely time consuming and, at times, intimidating.
You might like to consider the following topics to hold forth upon - there are a lot of things to be discussed within, and a handy guide to some of the things to expect and look out for. If you have things to add, be they books, quick guides or corrections please don't hesitate to post them in thread or PM me to add them.
These are some examples which we can probably almost guarantee that the criticism thereof will be positively received by the participants.
by Stephanie Meyer and its adaptations
The Twilight Sequels
There is a cool Muse song in the movie.
Rifftrax makes the movies hilarious.
The books are attractively designed.
Amazing wig on display in the first movie.
Everyone likes Charlie's moustache.
Ashley Greene is naked on the internet.
Repressive patriarchal gender politics
Obvious author insert
Complete absence of technical proficiency in writing OR direction
Hackneyed plot devices throughout
Main character is unlikeable and contemptuous of everyone despite their being overwhelmingly nice to her
Main character lacks agency
Ten pages of story spread across 300 pages of writing
Utterly beset by fridge logic at every turn
Isn't it almost too easy?
Apparent Mormon influences in a lot of the story and its literary allusions.
Has spawned countless imitators.
Other than their drinking blood this involves vampires in name only.
A 100 year old trapped in a teenager's body goes through high school countless times only to fall in love with a 16 year old girl. That's pretty creepy.
by Stepanie Meyer
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Everything from Twilight is magnified one hundred fold.
There is some weird sex
Their is even weirder stuff after the birth of the child
The Left Behind
Series by Tim LeHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins
The DaVinci Code
by Dan Brown and its adaptations
The Sword of Truth
by Terry "Crazyface" Goodkind and its weird adaptation
The Anita Blake
Series by Laurell K. Hamilton
The Southern Vampire
Series by Charlaine Harris but probably not its adaptation
Trilogy by Stieg Larsson
The Bizarre and Obscure
Here are a couple of books which are very bad that I know of but are rather obscure.
by Travis Tea
These books and series are almost certainly well loved by the PA community and will have their defenders - certainly these may be the most fun to poke holes through, but they are also most likely to cause the thread to go to dark places.
Wheel of Time
by Robert Jordan (and Brandon Sanderson)
by J. K. Rowling and its adapations
A Song of Ice and Fire
by George R. R. Martin (DANGER, DANGER, THIS IS AWESOME AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD IF YOU DON'T AGREE)
Stuff I Haven't Read or Otherwise Don't Know Where to Put
Things that I either haven't read or have read but don't have a good feel for the rest of the thread's opinions on.
by Orson Scott Card
The Hunger Games
by Suzanne Collins
Percy Jackson and the Olympians
by Rick Riordan
Things to come:
Suggestions and mini-profiles of different candidates.
Answers to common charges: "Art is subjective", "Story X is good and it breaks the narrative conventions you identify when critiquing story Y, therefore Story Y is fine.", "Is it time to hate things which are good and popular now?"
A more coherent rewrite of the aims of the thread
Use of the phrase "This is bad and you should feel bad"
Tide goes in. Tide goes out.
Es-annon NEVA 4GET