I just thought of another one. I know its done for the benefit of the player, but how come EVERYONE in games speaks the language the game is released in, regardless of where the game takes place and what nationality characters are?
For the Japanese version of Metal Gear Solid 1-2, you have American military guys like Snake, Raiden, and Campbell, working for the US government, doing their stuff on US military bases, yet everyone speaks Japanese? in MGS 3 you have American people fighting Russians, and the same thing happens.
Resident Evil 4 was nice in the fact that the villagers spoke Spanish, but Sadler, Salizar, and Mendez all spoke fluent English? In the Japanese version I'm assuming Leon, Ashley, and so on all spoke Japanese too.
Its just weird to think about.
In stalker they all speak freaking russian to each other.
That RE4 sendup from Something Awful draws attention to the fact that there must have been a pretty colossal intelligence failure on someone's part if they sent Leon, who apparently only speaks Americanese, waltzing into people's homes to shove a picture of Ashley into people's faces in a Spanish-speaking village.
To expand on the post above mine, I love how in RPGs you find a character who is super bad-ass, you're estatic to find out he'll be in your party and then.. he's barely any more powerful than you are.
Or yeah you fight some guy at some point in the story and then later on he joins your party and is weaker then when you fought him.
or in that exact reverse order. *cough final fantasy 12 cough*
If I could add to RE4's use of spanish, I found it quite odd that they call their master "Lord Saddler". How come the Lord part isn't in spanish? They could have said "Padre Saddler" or something else. It's just like when Scales speaks a bunch of gibberish language but the "Dinosaur Planet" part is kept in english.
or in that exact reverse order. *cough final fantasy 12 cough*
At least in that case, you could say that the guy was holding back when he was in your group. After all, why give your A game for a group of people you're going to screw over anyway?
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Skies of Arcadia Legends - More Gilder. Lots more Gilder.
Super Mario RPG - Having Luigi and Yoshi in your party, I was looking forward to this and was apalled when it never happened. (Although it is remedied later in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga and Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door.)
Chrono Trigger -
After Frog's final confrontation with Magus, regardless of whether you kill him or have him join your party, Frog becomes human again
Twilight Princess -
"Don't leave, Midna! You just got hot! Come baaaaaaaaaack!" Oh well, at least Link gets recognition in this game as a hero when he goes home.
EDIT: I really need to apologize for this, I swear I thought this was the "What would you do differently in a game's story" thread.
They said it was because their house was cursed. Although even when you break the curse, the monsters are STILL there.
It takes a while after breaking a curse to get the monsters to leave. Just look at Kingdom Hearts. You lock the various worlds but the damned Heartless are still there.
and i know this doesnt count as one, but there was this webcomic once where it made fun of absorbing enemies into your party in RPGs.
"Ok, you've defeated me. I will now join your party"
"Uh, no thanks"
"What?"
"We dont want your help."
"But you defeated me! I have to join!"
"No! We know how it works! You almost kick everyone in my group's ass when you are the enemy, but once you join our team, you're weak as fuck."
Oh, a corollary to the OP: the enemies who never run out of ammo. Ever. You can turn on invincibility and stand in the middle of the stage, letting them mow you down for half an hour. The minute you kill them, and take the gun? Two rounds left. I've never seen an attempt at that one getting explained.
Edit: out of curiousity, was there ever any explanation offered for the Resident Evil random item hunts? Find a widget to fit into the clock so you can access the stairwell, which is the only way into the kitchen?
wasnt there this really crappy PC game Devastation, or something (It was featured on Xplay's Worst games of all time) where your enemies could run out of ammo too, but then they'd just follow you around.
Trespasser. I guess it had a neat physics system for its time and a Wii-like mouse interface where you controlled your arm directly
Quite possibly the worst physics in any game ever made actually. Boxes floated like baloons until you needed to throw them. Then they were crates of lead.
I doubt anybody played this game but Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets is ridiculous. Hermione is all like "get me the history of magic in the library" but she asks me at midnight, when the prefects are out. Why doesn't she just wait a few more hours until the library is open and I don't have to fight flying fucking books to get it.
Also, why does going to class consist of the teacher calling me to the front of the class and then telling me to go in a dungeon.
And why do Ron and 'Mione go to bed right after class. I mean we go to class at about say 10AM, then an hour later we go to bed and they have me do ridiculous quests at night that they could easily do when it's light out and not get in trouble.
got something where I realize there's a street behind me, and the game starts all over again. I'm reading a walkthrough and supposedly a little thing is supposed to come out later? the game just restarted for me. Am I doing this right?
Oh, a corollary to the OP: the enemies who never run out of ammo. Ever. You can turn on invincibility and stand in the middle of the stage, letting them mow you down for half an hour. The minute you kill them, and take the gun? Two rounds left. I've never seen an attempt at that one getting explained.
Edit: out of curiousity, was there ever any explanation offered for the Resident Evil random item hunts? Find a widget to fit into the clock so you can access the stairwell, which is the only way into the kitchen?
wasnt there this really crappy PC game Devastation, or something (It was featured on Xplay's Worst games of all time) where your enemies could run out of ammo too, but then they'd just follow you around.
It's not something you'd notice on your first few playthroughs, but NPCs in Deus Ex can run out of ammo and will switch to a secondary weapon if they have one or run away if they don't. I thought it was really cool when I first saw it.
Oh, a corollary to the OP: the enemies who never run out of ammo. Ever. You can turn on invincibility and stand in the middle of the stage, letting them mow you down for half an hour. The minute you kill them, and take the gun? Two rounds left. I've never seen an attempt at that one getting explained.
Edit: out of curiousity, was there ever any explanation offered for the Resident Evil random item hunts? Find a widget to fit into the clock so you can access the stairwell, which is the only way into the kitchen?
wasnt there this really crappy PC game Devastation, or something (It was featured on Xplay's Worst games of all time) where your enemies could run out of ammo too, but then they'd just follow you around.
It's not something you'd notice on your first few playthroughs, but NPCs in Deus Ex can run out of ammo and will switch to a secondary weapon if they have one or run away or they don't. I though it was really cool when I first noticed it.
just another thing that makes Deus Ex so great, I assume.
I've never played it, but I hear from G and T that it's great. Not Gabe and Tycho. Though I've just realized that's gotta have confused someone sometime.
It's not something you'd notice on your first few playthroughs, but NPCs in Deus Ex can run out of ammo and will switch to a secondary weapon if they have one or run away or they don't. I though it was really cool when I first noticed it.
I think it's kinda weird how in WoW you can kill a wolf and they will sometimes drop something like a shield. What need would a wolf have for a shield?
Alternatively, why can't you get regular loot, like body parts, from every animal that you kill? Do Cliff Racers only have feathers for a short time before moulting, or what?
This happens in all sorts of RPGS, D&D, Final Fantasy and so on come to mind. I always just assumed that either the creature had:
1. Eaten the item (such as gold, a potion, etc.)
2. If it was a sentient creaturee (like a Kobold) it just had it on its person (Er Kobold?)
If you were a dire wolf with a belly full of silver pieces, you'd be pissed and attack PCs too.
As for the rarity of kobold hands or tiger claws or whatever, the answer to that is simple: You need an intact item X from the bloddy beaten corpse of Monster Y you just killed... so ya it's reasonable to say there might only be one salvageable eyeball.
On the subject of Zelda: TP, it always bugged me how Midna would never let Link transform in front of people on account of "scaring them". Why couldn't Link just tell his friends about his lupine disorder? It's not like they'd shun him. Heck, they'd probably think he was even cooler.
For the Japanese version of Metal Gear Solid 1-2, you have American military guys like Snake, Raiden, and Campbell, working for the US government, doing their stuff on US military bases, yet everyone speaks Japanese? in MGS 3 you have American people fighting Russians, and the same thing happens.
When you first meet Sokolov in MG:S3, he comments about how excellent Snake's Russian is. It's a bit of a nod to that. Of course everyone is speaking in Russian, but the player needs to actually be able to understand them so all the speech is actually in English or Japanese or whatever.
One thing I love about Baldur's Gate 2, upon playing back through it in co-op, is that it actually does make sense that no one gives a rats ass about you for a long time. Most people have reasonable motivations that either help or hinder you, there is only one real honest to god "evil madman". The rest of the game is just trying to gather the resources you need to find the bastard. I just enjoy it when yes it does make sense that merchant X is still charging you, after all: you only stopped the slave trade, you didn't save the planet. I generally prefer games that don't have you as a ridiculous demi-god though. Although, Okami did do an excellent job of making you such a god that you kill the boss and then
play for another 25 hours, while people acknowledge your badassery (usually)
After Frog's final confrontation with Magus, regardless of whether you kill him or have him join your party, Frog becomes human again
I remember enough about Chrono Trigger's endings to say that this isn't true. There are precisely two endings (rather, variations of endings) in which Frog becomes human again, and both require killing Magus. One is the "Looking for Chrono" ending with the Epoch intact, and the other is the standard ending with the Epoch intact.
This thread has me dying of laughter. I must say before i get flamed that I LOVED RE4 as it's one of the best games I have ever played. But, if i were Leon and someone told me...
Hunnigan: "We're sorry Leon but you've got to basically rescue the PRESIDENT'S DAUGHTER from hoards of potential terrorist.....By yourself."
If i were leon...
Leon: "FUCK that. You better bring the Air national guard here dammit. I'm not stepping another foot into this fucked up village... Do you know what i'm staring at Hunnigan??? A woman.... With a pitchfork through her fuckin skull."
The PRESIDENT... Sending ONE person after his DAUGHTER, and who sends just ONE chopper (mike) to help with the rescue efforts. Saddler treated mike like he was "small time."
Take Ex-Death for example.
This guy aspired to receive this ultimate power and rule the galaxy, and once he receives that power, he basically turns into a gigantic tree. Then a bunch of dragons, ladies, skeletons, and other shit basically grow out of him. Why would anyone want to turn themselves into crap like this? I'm sure he would get a wild siamese orgy out of it, but then what?
I thought Ex-death's origin story was just that some tree got infused with dark magic. It seems like he didn't turn into a tree so much as revert into his true form.(rpg bosses love doing that for some reason)
As for his second form, I figured he was combining himself with everything he had sucked into the void to increase his power. And if I remember correctly, wasn't he trying to destroy the world anyway? Why would he care what he looked like?
After Frog's final confrontation with Magus, regardless of whether you kill him or have him join your party, Frog becomes human again
I remember enough about Chrono Trigger's endings to say that this isn't true. There are precisely two endings (rather, variations of endings) in which Frog becomes human again, and both require killing Magus. One is the "Looking for Chrono" ending with the Epoch intact, and the other is the standard ending with the Epoch intact.
What I meant was immediately after the fight, or non-fight, frog would become human. Then you could play with the human version of Frog for the rest of the game.
After Frog's final confrontation with Magus, regardless of whether you kill him or have him join your party, Frog becomes human again
I remember enough about Chrono Trigger's endings to say that this isn't true. There are precisely two endings (rather, variations of endings) in which Frog becomes human again, and both require killing Magus. One is the "Looking for Chrono" ending with the Epoch intact, and the other is the standard ending with the Epoch intact.
What I meant was immediately after the fight, or non-fight frog would become human. Then you could play with the human version of Frog for the rest of the game.
That would make some of his techs kind of strange, don't you think?
Frog licking you to heal was weird enough. I don't think we need to see Glenn licking Crono in the middle of a fight.
After Frog's final confrontation with Magus, regardless of whether you kill him or have him join your party, Frog becomes human again
I remember enough about Chrono Trigger's endings to say that this isn't true. There are precisely two endings (rather, variations of endings) in which Frog becomes human again, and both require killing Magus. One is the "Looking for Chrono" ending with the Epoch intact, and the other is the standard ending with the Epoch intact.
What I meant was immediately after the fight, or non-fight, frog would become human. Then you could play with the human version of Frog for the rest of the game.
After Frog's final confrontation with Magus, regardless of whether you kill him or have him join your party, Frog becomes human again
I remember enough about Chrono Trigger's endings to say that this isn't true. There are precisely two endings (rather, variations of endings) in which Frog becomes human again, and both require killing Magus. One is the "Looking for Chrono" ending with the Epoch intact, and the other is the standard ending with the Epoch intact.
What I meant was immediately after the fight, or non-fight, frog would become human. Then you could play with the human version of Frog for the rest of the game.
WHAT?!? THAT SOUNDS AWESOME. EXPLAIN!
This is a hypothetical situation they're talking about. It's not real, Darunia just wants it to be.
After Frog's final confrontation with Magus, regardless of whether you kill him or have him join your party, Frog becomes human again
I remember enough about Chrono Trigger's endings to say that this isn't true. There are precisely two endings (rather, variations of endings) in which Frog becomes human again, and both require killing Magus. One is the "Looking for Chrono" ending with the Epoch intact, and the other is the standard ending with the Epoch intact.
What I meant was immediately after the fight, or non-fight, frog would become human. Then you could play with the human version of Frog for the rest of the game.
WHAT?!? THAT SOUNDS AWESOME. EXPLAIN!
I would say that that's 100% wrong based on my memory of trying for just that, except my memory is like a decade old now
After Frog's final confrontation with Magus, regardless of whether you kill him or have him join your party, Frog becomes human again
I remember enough about Chrono Trigger's endings to say that this isn't true. There are precisely two endings (rather, variations of endings) in which Frog becomes human again, and both require killing Magus. One is the "Looking for Chrono" ending with the Epoch intact, and the other is the standard ending with the Epoch intact.
What I meant was immediately after the fight, or non-fight, frog would become human. Then you could play with the human version of Frog for the rest of the game.
Ah, I misunderstood what you meant. That would have been an interesting idea, but I'm also fine with the way it was handled. However...
There has to be some compensation for killing Magus and hence never having him in your party. The way it is, there's an incentive to try it both ways on two different playthroughs. I always thought that was an inspired touch.
I'm not so sure this falls in the realm of the nonsensical, though, whichever way you look at it. There are fine explanations for the way it is. It's magic, after all.
in the PS1 version, in the ending anime clip after beating the game, there's a scene where Frog is shown in his human form, whether you killed Magus or not. This lead to just one of many unresolved debates with CC (is Magus' death canon? Is Frog a human but not shown? etc)
in the PS1 version, in the ending anime clip after beating the game, there's a scene where Frog is shown in his human form, whether you killed Magus or not. This lead to just one of many unresolved debates with CC (is Magus' death canon? Is Frog a human but not shown? etc)
Magus is too cool for his death to be canon.
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Reviving this topic with another gaming-peeve I've had for a while.
What is it with bosses taking on these ridiculous, cumbersome forms? Take Ex-Death for example.
This guy aspired to receive this ultimate power and rule the galaxy, and once he receives that power, he basically turns into a gigantic tree. Then a bunch of dragons, ladies, skeletons, and other shit basically grow out of him. Why would anyone want to turn themselves into crap like this? I'm sure he would get a wild siamese orgy out of it, but then what?
I was reading over this thread, and nothing made me laugh more than this.
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I think it's kinda weird how in WoW you can kill a wolf and they will sometimes drop something like a shield. What need would a wolf have for a shield?
This totally reminded me of Diablo. In the book, it addressed the question of "Why are demons carrying gold when they aren't going to be spending it?"
Don't know if it has been mentioned, but MGS: The Twin Snakes comes to mind. Alot. In the cutscenes snake could fucking flip OFF of missles being shot at him and do arial stunts by jumping 15 feet in the air. Yet when you got to control him, it was all punch, punch, kick.
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or in that exact reverse order. *cough final fantasy 12 cough*
At least in that case, you could say that the guy was holding back when he was in your group. After all, why give your A game for a group of people you're going to screw over anyway?
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Super Mario RPG - Having Luigi and Yoshi in your party, I was looking forward to this and was apalled when it never happened. (Although it is remedied later in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga and Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door.)
Chrono Trigger -
Twilight Princess -
EDIT: I really need to apologize for this, I swear I thought this was the "What would you do differently in a game's story" thread.
Maybe they're really into the rough stuff?
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yet, when you run out of bullets, and try to use the laser to cut off an enemy's head or something, no dice. stupid karate chop.
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It takes a while after breaking a curse to get the monsters to leave. Just look at Kingdom Hearts. You lock the various worlds but the damned Heartless are still there.
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"Ok, you've defeated me. I will now join your party"
"Uh, no thanks"
"What?"
"We dont want your help."
"But you defeated me! I have to join!"
"No! We know how it works! You almost kick everyone in my group's ass when you are the enemy, but once you join our team, you're weak as fuck."
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wasnt there this really crappy PC game Devastation, or something (It was featured on Xplay's Worst games of all time) where your enemies could run out of ammo too, but then they'd just follow you around.
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Quite possibly the worst physics in any game ever made actually. Boxes floated like baloons until you needed to throw them. Then they were crates of lead.
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Also, why does going to class consist of the teacher calling me to the front of the class and then telling me to go in a dungeon.
And why do Ron and 'Mione go to bed right after class. I mean we go to class at about say 10AM, then an hour later we go to bed and they have me do ridiculous quests at night that they could easily do when it's light out and not get in trouble.
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what the fuck.
what is the real ending here? I just
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just another thing that makes Deus Ex so great, I assume.
I've never played it, but I hear from G and T that it's great. Not Gabe and Tycho. Though I've just realized that's gotta have confused someone sometime.
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This happens in all sorts of RPGS, D&D, Final Fantasy and so on come to mind. I always just assumed that either the creature had:
1. Eaten the item (such as gold, a potion, etc.)
2. If it was a sentient creaturee (like a Kobold) it just had it on its person (Er Kobold?)
If you were a dire wolf with a belly full of silver pieces, you'd be pissed and attack PCs too.
As for the rarity of kobold hands or tiger claws or whatever, the answer to that is simple: You need an intact item X from the bloddy beaten corpse of Monster Y you just killed... so ya it's reasonable to say there might only be one salvageable eyeball.
When you first meet Sokolov in MG:S3, he comments about how excellent Snake's Russian is. It's a bit of a nod to that. Of course everyone is speaking in Russian, but the player needs to actually be able to understand them so all the speech is actually in English or Japanese or whatever.
Hunnigan: "We're sorry Leon but you've got to basically rescue the PRESIDENT'S DAUGHTER from hoards of potential terrorist.....By yourself."
If i were leon...
Leon: "FUCK that. You better bring the Air national guard here dammit. I'm not stepping another foot into this fucked up village... Do you know what i'm staring at Hunnigan??? A woman.... With a pitchfork through her fuckin skull."
The PRESIDENT... Sending ONE person after his DAUGHTER, and who sends just ONE chopper (mike) to help with the rescue efforts. Saddler treated mike like he was "small time."
I thought Ex-death's origin story was just that some tree got infused with dark magic. It seems like he didn't turn into a tree so much as revert into his true form.(rpg bosses love doing that for some reason)
As for his second form, I figured he was combining himself with everything he had sucked into the void to increase his power. And if I remember correctly, wasn't he trying to destroy the world anyway? Why would he care what he looked like?
Obviously he doesn't like her very much. Can't say I blame him. If I were in his position, I'd have sent a thank-you note and been done with it.
Frog licking you to heal was weird enough. I don't think we need to see Glenn licking Crono in the middle of a fight.
That's because only one state in the union would let you legally fuck her. Duct tape fixes all.
She's 20.
I was making reference to the fact that he's operating from the POV of her father, the president.
This is a hypothetical situation they're talking about. It's not real, Darunia just wants it to be.
I would say that that's 100% wrong based on my memory of trying for just that, except my memory is like a decade old now
So yeeaaahhh
Ah, I misunderstood what you meant. That would have been an interesting idea, but I'm also fine with the way it was handled. However...
That's right, just like prayer and masturbation.
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I was reading over this thread, and nothing made me laugh more than this.
This totally reminded me of Diablo. In the book, it addressed the question of "Why are demons carrying gold when they aren't going to be spending it?"
Social status was the answer.