what happens in winterfell next is going to be the best part of book 6, already calling it
The whole of Book 6 is going to be spent in the Eyrie. The Eyrie kitchens. With an entire cast of new characters. Any plot developments elsewhere will simply be told to them by a footman. It ends with them putting together a great feast where nothing happens and then the chef gets a pet dog.
I'm Laura Linney, and this is masterpiece classic.
what happens in winterfell next is going to be the best part of book 6, already calling it
The whole of Book 6 is going to be spent in the Eyrie. The Eyrie kitchens. With an entire cast of new characters. Any plot developments elsewhere will simply be told to them by a footman. It ends with them putting together a great feast where nothing happens and then the chef gets a pet dog.
It's established that he isn't. All of Roberts bastards had Roberts hair. He's definitely BB.
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I'm not all the way through ASOS yet, just a few chapters past the red wedding. To be honest though...
Book 3 spoiler:
Sansa and Tyrion's wedding was just as sad to me as the red wedding. But that's because I think Robb Stark was a total moron.
I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU!!!
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I can't wait for book spoilers
The reaction to Joffery's wedding.
I imagine it will be the exact opposite to the red wedding.
Right until the accusation narrows to a spotlight.
And, of course, the trial is just going to piss off everyone.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
forget all that are you boys ready for another 100% plausible theory
this one is long and complex (and copied wholesale from Winter Is Coming) so I have highlighted the most salient bombshells
(Dance/FFC spoilers)
1.When Arya is stalking Varys and Illyrio:
1a. She hears water dripping in the distance.
1b. Next she observes Illyrio and Varys coming up from a vast 'well'(this is the word GRRM uses) that goes down out of sight.
1c. Varys pulls a lever and a wall descends blocking the well from sight.
1d. After the two come up, Arya trails them for quite a long distance, gradually descending.
1e. Finally she loses them, stumbles forward and finds herself at the end of a sewer emptying into the river. She dives in and swims for a while to get clean, washes her clothes, then scampers off home.
2. Varys and Illyrio are both noted for their abnormally large size, while also noted as being incredibly light on their feet. This suggests an abnormal strength.
3. Varys is noted to have a peculiar, slimy smile. This could be interpreted to mean he does not show his teeth, and that could be because he has very abnormal teeth.
4. When Tyrion threatened to throw Varys overboard, Varys retorted that he would be surprised at the result.
5. There is noted to be no bed in Varys' quarters. If he is a Merling he would likely sleep at sea or like most fish perhaps not at all.
6a. Another character we know with peculiar teeth is Biter, another abnormally large man with enourmous strength.
6b. The idea that this barely sentient being sat around and filed all his teeth just to scare people is absurd.
7. Varys and Illyrio both associate humans with birds, naturally as these are two lower species to them. Explains the ease with which they chop off children's tongues.
8. From their one meeting, it appears that the Merlings are experts at manipulating the humans in secret. And also there is a hint these two have plenty of patience, they seem to be comfortable waiting years for their plans to bear fruit. Perhaps they have very long lifespans or are just more patient than humans.
9. When the subject of eating people came up, Varys licked his lips.
10a. Varys likely is not a Eunuch, as there is a point where he is parlaying with Tyrion where Tyrion notes that his voice seemed deeper than usual.
10b. Even if he is a Eunuch, it doesn't mean he has to be human.
12. Since he probably isn't Eunuch, Vary's lack of sexual interest in human females is explained by being a Merling.
13. Littlefinger comes from a seafaring merchant family of Braavos and is an accomplished sailor himself, if anyone is likely to ever see the reclusive Merlings, it's the merchants and fisherman.
14. One of Littlefinger's ships is named 'The Merling King'.
15. Littlefinger claims to have Varys completely under his control.
16. House Manderly. Hugely fat, port city, can't ride a horse, they even have a Merling as their house crest. Wyman Manderly bakes Freys into pies.
17. With no readily apparent motivation, Ser Mandon Moore tried to murder Tyrion on the Blackwater. When thrown overboard, it is noted he did not scream.
18. Mandon Moore is referred to repeatedly as having dead eyes or fish eyes, and of having "no life but duty".
19. Before being attacked, Tyrion had just set Blackwater Bay on fire using wildfire which would be deadly to any creatures living underneath.
20. The Drowned God. Very handy to have a large group of humans willing to do anything for you, and it provides a ready source of spies in places of power, such as Patchface, who often tells riddles about life under the sea.
21. Doesn't it seem suspicious that Euron Greyjoy was so well prepared for the Kingsmoot? Almost as though he knew that this ancient ritual for selecting a ruler would resurrected -- almost as if it was done specifically for him. Perhaps Euron has been playing his brother Aeron for a fool by filling his head with "voices from the sea".
22. Davos Seaworth's visit from the "The Mother" may have actually been a siren or a mermaid. After his rescue, Davos was primed and determined to kill Melisandre. Like Aeron and Patchface, it seems Davos's drowning may have filled his head with ideas.
23. In a Feast for Crows, Brienne is told about 'squishers' by one of her companions. They are described as man eating fish people that walk on two feet.
24. If you were to give a baby the name Varys in our world today, it would mean the following: Varys - Vari - Stream; Varish - Sleeping on the Sea
25. What do Varys and Illyrio want with Dragons? This is more speculative, but consider that:
25a. When you bring Ice and Fire together, you get water.
26b. Is it as simple as this? Bring the dragons north and melt the Ice, including perhaps the entire Wall. What you have done then is raise the coastlines around the entire world. Magical global melting...
What do the merlings get out of it? Liebensraum. More ocean real estate.
26c. If the flooding were extreme enough, only a few islands would remain, places like the Eyrie.
26d. Littlefinger, "The Merling King", has made his seat the Eyrie.
26e. If this theory is correct, Littlefinger would have been made King by Merlings, giving a new take on the meaning to the ship's name.
"I still cannot believe we bested the Others with so little loss of life," Lord Davos of Dragonstone said happily
"Aye," replied Ser Jaime Goldenhand, "but queerer still is we managed to resolve the entire succession crisis so bloodlessly"
"Uncle Stannis is the best regent ever!" King Tommen proclaimed happily, looking up from where he and Queen Shireen played with kittens on the floor "I'm so glad he realized that Shireen being blond invalidated that nasty story about mommy and uncle Goldsy" Goldenhand the Just only smiled quietly and helped himself to another battered capon
"I'm surprised Sandor Clegane - I mean, the High Septon, sorry - managed to defeat Ser Robert Strong so easily" Lady Paramount Sansa of the Vale, the North and Harrenhal remarked, demurely nibbling on a roast capon
"not as surprised as I was that Oathkeeper turned out to be Lightbringer" said King Jon Stark of the Wall and Beyond, spitting chunks of baked capon everywhere
"It's a good thing Daenerys Stormborn decided to crown herself Empress of Valyria instead of trying to conquer Westeros again," the Kraken's Daughter ruminated, washing down a mouthful of minced capon with a glass of Arbor Gold, "especially since Daario Naharis turned out to be nuncle Euron all along"
"whatever happened to Petyr Baelish and Lord Varys, though" wondered Princess Myrcella of Dorne, looking out the window at the 200-foot solid gold statue of Ser Kevan Lannister and the serene, empty Blackwater beyond. "Their disappearance is almost as mysterious as Darkstar's" she idly traced the line of her scar with one hand whilst tearing off another leg of boiled capon with the other
"Well, he is of the night" Littlefinger said, stepping out from behind a tapestry of Jaeherys the Conciliator
"Crone's knickers!" exclaimed Davos, dropping his buttered capon and lurching to his feet, clawing at his sword belt before a crossbow bolt took him through the back. His lobstered plate and boiled leather armor proved as useless as nipples on a breastplate against the sea-forged iron.
"...but we are of the sea" finished the Spider, his voice rumbling like the crash of waves on a stone shore. Only when he saw the impossibly wide double-row of rotting yellow knives did Jaime realize he had never seen Varys actually grin before.
"Under the sea, men marry fishes, this I know, oh oh oh" Patchface capered into the room as Queen Shireen Baratheon-Lannister-Baratheon wailed in terror
Below them, at the foot of the Red Keep the shore of the Blackwater darkened beneath a roiling, dripping mass of squishing abominations, endless and inexorable as the tide itself, against which mortal arms could do but little and less.
So what are the chances GRRM will keep the series going past the 7th book?
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forget all that are you boys ready for another 100% plausible theory
this one is long and complex (and copied wholesale from Winter Is Coming) so I have highlighted the most salient bombshells
(Dance/FFC spoilers)
1.When Arya is stalking Varys and Illyrio:
1a. She hears water dripping in the distance.
1b. Next she observes Illyrio and Varys coming up from a vast 'well'(this is the word GRRM uses) that goes down out of sight.
1c. Varys pulls a lever and a wall descends blocking the well from sight.
1d. After the two come up, Arya trails them for quite a long distance, gradually descending.
1e. Finally she loses them, stumbles forward and finds herself at the end of a sewer emptying into the river. She dives in and swims for a while to get clean, washes her clothes, then scampers off home.
2. Varys and Illyrio are both noted for their abnormally large size, while also noted as being incredibly light on their feet. This suggests an abnormal strength.
3. Varys is noted to have a peculiar, slimy smile. This could be interpreted to mean he does not show his teeth, and that could be because he has very abnormal teeth.
4. When Tyrion threatened to throw Varys overboard, Varys retorted that he would be surprised at the result.
5. There is noted to be no bed in Varys' quarters. If he is a Merling he would likely sleep at sea or like most fish perhaps not at all.
6a. Another character we know with peculiar teeth is Biter, another abnormally large man with enourmous strength.
6b. The idea that this barely sentient being sat around and filed all his teeth just to scare people is absurd.
7. Varys and Illyrio both associate humans with birds, naturally as these are two lower species to them. Explains the ease with which they chop off children's tongues.
8. From their one meeting, it appears that the Merlings are experts at manipulating the humans in secret. And also there is a hint these two have plenty of patience, they seem to be comfortable waiting years for their plans to bear fruit. Perhaps they have very long lifespans or are just more patient than humans.
9. When the subject of eating people came up, Varys licked his lips.
10a. Varys likely is not a Eunuch, as there is a point where he is parlaying with Tyrion where Tyrion notes that his voice seemed deeper than usual.
10b. Even if he is a Eunuch, it doesn't mean he has to be human.
12. Since he probably isn't Eunuch, Vary's lack of sexual interest in human females is explained by being a Merling.
13. Littlefinger comes from a seafaring merchant family of Braavos and is an accomplished sailor himself, if anyone is likely to ever see the reclusive Merlings, it's the merchants and fisherman.
14. One of Littlefinger's ships is named 'The Merling King'.
15. Littlefinger claims to have Varys completely under his control.
16. House Manderly. Hugely fat, port city, can't ride a horse, they even have a Merling as their house crest. Wyman Manderly bakes Freys into pies.
17. With no readily apparent motivation, Ser Mandon Moore tried to murder Tyrion on the Blackwater. When thrown overboard, it is noted he did not scream.
18. Mandon Moore is referred to repeatedly as having dead eyes or fish eyes, and of having "no life but duty".
19. Before being attacked, Tyrion had just set Blackwater Bay on fire using wildfire which would be deadly to any creatures living underneath.
20. The Drowned God. Very handy to have a large group of humans willing to do anything for you, and it provides a ready source of spies in places of power, such as Patchface, who often tells riddles about life under the sea.
21. Doesn't it seem suspicious that Euron Greyjoy was so well prepared for the Kingsmoot? Almost as though he knew that this ancient ritual for selecting a ruler would resurrected -- almost as if it was done specifically for him. Perhaps Euron has been playing his brother Aeron for a fool by filling his head with "voices from the sea".
22. Davos Seaworth's visit from the "The Mother" may have actually been a siren or a mermaid. After his rescue, Davos was primed and determined to kill Melisandre. Like Aeron and Patchface, it seems Davos's drowning may have filled his head with ideas.
23. In a Feast for Crows, Brienne is told about 'squishers' by one of her companions. They are described as man eating fish people that walk on two feet.
24. If you were to give a baby the name Varys in our world today, it would mean the following: Varys - Vari - Stream; Varish - Sleeping on the Sea
25. What do Varys and Illyrio want with Dragons? This is more speculative, but consider that:
25a. When you bring Ice and Fire together, you get water.
26b. Is it as simple as this? Bring the dragons north and melt the Ice, including perhaps the entire Wall. What you have done then is raise the coastlines around the entire world. Magical global melting...
What do the merlings get out of it? Liebensraum. More ocean real estate.
26c. If the flooding were extreme enough, only a few islands would remain, places like the Eyrie.
26d. Littlefinger, "The Merling King", has made his seat the Eyrie.
26e. If this theory is correct, Littlefinger would have been made King by Merlings, giving a new take on the meaning to the ship's name.
it's all there
why didn't you see it sooner
Uh
the remark to Tyrion about him being surprised about the result was Varys implying that he has more people under his employ and that order would likely backfire completely, Varys mentions the wizard who cut off his root and stem to summon a demon, hence his hatred of it. And while Littlefinger thinks he command Varys, Varys maintains that he only feeds finger just enough info to let finger believe that. He like finger for the competition, but he will take him down if he insists on driving the realm to chaos just so he can use it as a ladder
He saved Tyrion at Jaime's insistence, but I think he would have done so anyone. Tyrion is important.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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God, there is so much subtle shit going on.
DoD spoilers
I like that they never outright state that they pies are Freys. Just the delight at Wyman serving them. Oh, they aren't poison I assure you.
And how Bran retold the story in the show and explain the horror wasn't the murder, or the baking, it was the breaking of the house code. And Wyman did all his murder and baking after they left the guest/host ritual behind on the road.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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And I kinda expect
DoD spoilers
The letter to be a forgery to get Jon to break his vows and get stabbled.
I expect all of Dreadfort to be dead, or at the very least the son to be lying about everything.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
God, there is so much subtle shit going on.
DoD spoilers
I like that they never outright state that they pies are Freys. Just the delight at Wyman serving them. Oh, they aren't poison I assure you.
And how Bran retold the story in the show and explain the horror wasn't the murder, or the baking, it was the breaking of the house code. And Wyman did all his murder and baking after they left the guest/host ritual behind on the road.
Friend of mine is reading DwD and is pointing out to me how many POV chapters there are for new people that she doesn't give a shit about
I even had to look some of them up
The Windblown? Like, who gives a shit about the Windblown
I kinda hope George drops most of that for the next book
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I'm Laura Linney, and this is masterpiece classic.
[Eyrie Abbey title scroll begins]
But maybe Robert was Bb.
The dog is Syrio.
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It's established that he isn't. All of Roberts bastards had Roberts hair. He's definitely BB.
-Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
But now I'm really depressed.
Book 3 spoiler:
I imagine it will be the exact opposite to the red wedding.
Right until the accusation narrows to a spotlight.
And, of course, the trial is just going to piss off everyone.
unless the twist at the end is that all of the staff are actually Others
Unless they decide not to follow the book completely and turn Joffrey into a sympathetic character through his interactions with Jaime.
Hahahaha, the second commentator's reaction is killing me
this one is long and complex (and copied wholesale from Winter Is Coming) so I have highlighted the most salient bombshells
(Dance/FFC spoilers)
1a. She hears water dripping in the distance.
1b. Next she observes Illyrio and Varys coming up from a vast 'well'(this is the word GRRM uses) that goes down out of sight.
1c. Varys pulls a lever and a wall descends blocking the well from sight.
1d. After the two come up, Arya trails them for quite a long distance, gradually descending.
1e. Finally she loses them, stumbles forward and finds herself at the end of a sewer emptying into the river. She dives in and swims for a while to get clean, washes her clothes, then scampers off home.
2. Varys and Illyrio are both noted for their abnormally large size, while also noted as being incredibly light on their feet. This suggests an abnormal strength.
3. Varys is noted to have a peculiar, slimy smile. This could be interpreted to mean he does not show his teeth, and that could be because he has very abnormal teeth.
4. When Tyrion threatened to throw Varys overboard, Varys retorted that he would be surprised at the result.
5. There is noted to be no bed in Varys' quarters. If he is a Merling he would likely sleep at sea or like most fish perhaps not at all.
6a. Another character we know with peculiar teeth is Biter, another abnormally large man with enourmous strength.
6b. The idea that this barely sentient being sat around and filed all his teeth just to scare people is absurd.
7. Varys and Illyrio both associate humans with birds, naturally as these are two lower species to them. Explains the ease with which they chop off children's tongues.
8. From their one meeting, it appears that the Merlings are experts at manipulating the humans in secret. And also there is a hint these two have plenty of patience, they seem to be comfortable waiting years for their plans to bear fruit. Perhaps they have very long lifespans or are just more patient than humans.
9. When the subject of eating people came up, Varys licked his lips.
10a. Varys likely is not a Eunuch, as there is a point where he is parlaying with Tyrion where Tyrion notes that his voice seemed deeper than usual.
10b. Even if he is a Eunuch, it doesn't mean he has to be human.
12. Since he probably isn't Eunuch, Vary's lack of sexual interest in human females is explained by being a Merling.
13. Littlefinger comes from a seafaring merchant family of Braavos and is an accomplished sailor himself, if anyone is likely to ever see the reclusive Merlings, it's the merchants and fisherman.
14. One of Littlefinger's ships is named 'The Merling King'.
15. Littlefinger claims to have Varys completely under his control.
16. House Manderly. Hugely fat, port city, can't ride a horse, they even have a Merling as their house crest. Wyman Manderly bakes Freys into pies.
17. With no readily apparent motivation, Ser Mandon Moore tried to murder Tyrion on the Blackwater. When thrown overboard, it is noted he did not scream.
18. Mandon Moore is referred to repeatedly as having dead eyes or fish eyes, and of having "no life but duty".
19. Before being attacked, Tyrion had just set Blackwater Bay on fire using wildfire which would be deadly to any creatures living underneath.
20. The Drowned God. Very handy to have a large group of humans willing to do anything for you, and it provides a ready source of spies in places of power, such as Patchface, who often tells riddles about life under the sea.
21. Doesn't it seem suspicious that Euron Greyjoy was so well prepared for the Kingsmoot? Almost as though he knew that this ancient ritual for selecting a ruler would resurrected -- almost as if it was done specifically for him. Perhaps Euron has been playing his brother Aeron for a fool by filling his head with "voices from the sea".
22. Davos Seaworth's visit from the "The Mother" may have actually been a siren or a mermaid. After his rescue, Davos was primed and determined to kill Melisandre. Like Aeron and Patchface, it seems Davos's drowning may have filled his head with ideas.
23. In a Feast for Crows, Brienne is told about 'squishers' by one of her companions. They are described as man eating fish people that walk on two feet.
24. If you were to give a baby the name Varys in our world today, it would mean the following: Varys - Vari - Stream; Varish - Sleeping on the Sea
25. What do Varys and Illyrio want with Dragons? This is more speculative, but consider that:
25a. When you bring Ice and Fire together, you get water.
26b. Is it as simple as this? Bring the dragons north and melt the Ice, including perhaps the entire Wall. What you have done then is raise the coastlines around the entire world. Magical global melting...
What do the merlings get out of it? Liebensraum. More ocean real estate.
26c. If the flooding were extreme enough, only a few islands would remain, places like the Eyrie.
26d. Littlefinger, "The Merling King", has made his seat the Eyrie.
26e. If this theory is correct, Littlefinger would have been made King by Merlings, giving a new take on the meaning to the ship's name.
it's all there
why didn't you see it sooner
(actual book spoilers also)
"Aye," replied Ser Jaime Goldenhand, "but queerer still is we managed to resolve the entire succession crisis so bloodlessly"
"Uncle Stannis is the best regent ever!" King Tommen proclaimed happily, looking up from where he and Queen Shireen played with kittens on the floor "I'm so glad he realized that Shireen being blond invalidated that nasty story about mommy and uncle Goldsy" Goldenhand the Just only smiled quietly and helped himself to another battered capon
"I'm surprised Sandor Clegane - I mean, the High Septon, sorry - managed to defeat Ser Robert Strong so easily" Lady Paramount Sansa of the Vale, the North and Harrenhal remarked, demurely nibbling on a roast capon
"not as surprised as I was that Oathkeeper turned out to be Lightbringer" said King Jon Stark of the Wall and Beyond, spitting chunks of baked capon everywhere
"It's a good thing Daenerys Stormborn decided to crown herself Empress of Valyria instead of trying to conquer Westeros again," the Kraken's Daughter ruminated, washing down a mouthful of minced capon with a glass of Arbor Gold, "especially since Daario Naharis turned out to be nuncle Euron all along"
"whatever happened to Petyr Baelish and Lord Varys, though" wondered Princess Myrcella of Dorne, looking out the window at the 200-foot solid gold statue of Ser Kevan Lannister and the serene, empty Blackwater beyond. "Their disappearance is almost as mysterious as Darkstar's" she idly traced the line of her scar with one hand whilst tearing off another leg of boiled capon with the other
"Well, he is of the night" Littlefinger said, stepping out from behind a tapestry of Jaeherys the Conciliator
"Crone's knickers!" exclaimed Davos, dropping his buttered capon and lurching to his feet, clawing at his sword belt before a crossbow bolt took him through the back. His lobstered plate and boiled leather armor proved as useless as nipples on a breastplate against the sea-forged iron.
"...but we are of the sea" finished the Spider, his voice rumbling like the crash of waves on a stone shore. Only when he saw the impossibly wide double-row of rotting yellow knives did Jaime realize he had never seen Varys actually grin before.
"Under the sea, men marry fishes, this I know, oh oh oh" Patchface capered into the room as Queen Shireen Baratheon-Lannister-Baratheon wailed in terror
Below them, at the foot of the Red Keep the shore of the Blackwater darkened beneath a roiling, dripping mass of squishing abominations, endless and inexorable as the tide itself, against which mortal arms could do but little and less.
And in their hands, the tridents.
Uh
He saved Tyrion at Jaime's insistence, but I think he would have done so anyone. Tyrion is important.
DoD spoilers
And how Bran retold the story in the show and explain the horror wasn't the murder, or the baking, it was the breaking of the house code. And Wyman did all his murder and baking after they left the guest/host ritual behind on the road.
DoD spoilers
I expect all of Dreadfort to be dead, or at the very least the son to be lying about everything.
particularly Mance
I even had to look some of them up
The Windblown? Like, who gives a shit about the Windblown
I kinda hope George drops most of that for the next book
I'll let @Balefuego field this one
wait do you really not know about
every time lannisport scores a goal against those bastards from king's landing the crowd's on their feet waving their red banners around
"AND SO HE SPOKE, AND SO HE SPOKE..."
that would actually sound really cool
DONGS. WHY.
Wights can go south of the wall if they are carried past it before reanimating
there are dead things in the water
the invasion has already begun
the Welsh sing "Men of Harlech" whenever they score a goal, it's basically the same thing
i think i've heard it mentioned before and just forgotten it
that happens a lot with game of thrones
so much goes on between the lines that it's difficult to keep track of it all
how would corpses get all the way from north of the wall to dorne without some agency (merlings) guiding them
thankfully i know the geography from playing the board game