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  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    I absolutely do not believe in the power of institutions validating individual instances/reifications of that power, and vice versa - I do not believe individual strong examples validate the power of the institution

    Whatever individual expression one may transpose to a concept is a fabrication of language, a channeling of certain feelings encompassed in a word

    In a world without gold rings I would still love someone

    possibly.

    given that arranged marriages are still prevalent amongst perhaps two billion odd people's worth of societies, possibly said love might just matter less

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  • PotatoNinjaPotatoNinja Fake Gamer Goat Registered User regular
    Marriage as a completely pure and sacred institution has never really existed

    It has always been abused, exploited, and casually ended by people who did not, or do not take their commitment seriously

    which doesn't even count marriages that end for completely understandable reasons, including (but not limited to) "people change as they grow older"

    so my sympathy for "marriage should be a pure institution for everyone in this society" is kind of muted

    because, broadly speaking, it never has been and never will be.

    Two goats enter, one car leaves
    CindersEddyQuidPLAAtomikaYoshisummonsjakobagger
  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    Feral wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I doubt that it's remotely as discrete as that.

    Hell, I think sexual orientation isn't as discrete as we make it out to be.

    I mean

    What is, really?

    integers?

    I really liked Hasdai Crescas' refutation of Aristotelian physics

    I don't remember it exactly but he looked at limits and said they are just as big an infinity as a straight line

    This reminds me of that because it implied to me, rightly or wrongly, the fuzziness of integers on a fractal level

    Eddy on
    “Even as a gengar she was lovely.” ― Ovid, Metamorphoses
  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    when gay marriage is legal I am going to marry an animal
    just to prove an extremist correct

    When gay marriage is legal, I'll be able to marry a man. I won't want to but I'll be able to. Even more protected rights for me is a win!

  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    You're all ruining the traditions.

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Eastern coastal temptressRegistered User regular
    My car has a broken rear defroster. I cared a lot less when it wasn't covered in ice.

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  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    My car has a broken rear defroster. I cared a lot less when it wasn't covered in ice.

    Get an ice scraper yo

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  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    Marriage as a completely pure and sacred institution has never really existed

    It has always been abused, exploited, and casually ended by people who did not, or do not take their commitment seriously

    which doesn't even count marriages that end for completely understandable reasons, including (but not limited to) "people change as they grow older"

    so my sympathy for "marriage should be a pure institution for everyone in this society" is kind of muted

    because, broadly speaking, it never has been and never will be.

    you treat me like potato

    “Even as a gengar she was lovely.” ― Ovid, Metamorphoses
    Feral
  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck the search for the means to put an end to things an end to speech is what enables the discourse to continue ~ * ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) excelsior * ~Registered User regular
  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    i think i'm a little unclear on the meaning of subversion, here. you can subvert a government because its power is derived from a complicated system of checks and balances. you can subvert the energy industry to destabilize the price. but ultimately, it doesn't seem that excitement over the acceptance of alternative romantic relationships 'subverts' marriage. maybe marriage would become not-the-norm, or maybe some of its ancillary benefits (fiscally, in the workplace etc) would be awarded more broadly.

    but unless we're discussing a mustache-twirling plot to literally sap under the social framework of marriage, making it so it loses legitimacy as a social construct (and i don't think anyone is proposing that?), then i do not see from where someone would feel like marriage is being assailed or threatened

    the value of a romantic arrangement is self-perpetuating. you generate the merit of your coupling, and either take its accouterments (devotion, lifelong support, etc) seriously or not. how does meh, at this rate marriage won't be 'the' thing in society anymore undermine that? in this progressive utopia you could have a marriage every bit as rich and rewarding as the one you have now?

    Organichu on
  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    when gay marriage is legal I am going to marry an animal
    just to prove an extremist correct

    Since when can animals consent and sign contracts?

    It happens all the time!

    Have you ever signed contracts? Were you a protist at the time?

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    PLA wrote: »
    You're all ruining the traditions.

    I say again Progressives will never stop progressing.

  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    I care very much.

    It kind of feels like a betrayal, like I've been lied to.


    I don't like that some people feel support for "non-traditional marriage" is tantamount to destruction of the institution, and that the people supporting it don't give a fuck because they want it destroyed.

    That makes me very angry. It makes me want to abandon support for anything but what I have, to batten down the hatches and tell people to fuck off. Make something new you can not give a shit about and don't ruin this institution.


    That is probably not what you want but if you can't have it both ways, then you'll drive me into opposing you and everything that leads to you.


    :(

    spool I am curious about this response

    if a bunch of straight people in Austin get divorced, do you feel that this impacts your marriage

    like in a real way -- like, changes your feelings for your wife or the stability of your relationship or something

    I assume you do not, but I can't really think of how the overall perception of marriage in a city or country or society has any real connection to yours as it stands

    like if a bunch of people decide they are going to be boyfriend/girlfriend forever instead of get married

    or be boyfriend/boyfriend, or boyfriend/boyfriend/girlfriend, or whatever

    it doesn't change the value you place on your relationship

    I guess I just don't understand

    We all live in the society together. If a bunch of people in Austin got divorced, it would not affect my marriage firstly because it's not my marriage that failed and secondly because everyone recognizes that those marriages failed.

    If the society stopped placing value on marriage, and everyone began to believe that it was trivial, transient, and basically pointless, that would affect my marriage very much. It wouldn't affect my relationship, and it wouldn't affect the values that I placed on my relationship, but it would certainly affect my marriage because A component of that marriage is the societal perception of it. A marriage is not just between two people on an island apart from everyone else in the society. A marriage is a public statement, that people have made a commitment to each other in public. It is a declaration to the society that these people have made a commitment to each other. If the societal response was "Who gives a shit", that would certainly affect me.

  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck the search for the means to put an end to things an end to speech is what enables the discourse to continue ~ * ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) excelsior * ~Registered User regular
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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    when gay marriage is legal I am going to marry an animal
    just to prove an extremist correct

    Since when can animals consent and sign contracts?

    Better question, what is the age of majority for a human liger hybrid?

    This machine kills threads.
    Cinders
  • CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    But Eddy you are the potato.

  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    i got really excited when i had a PM.

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
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    :D

    HEY why is emnmnme getting my awesomes!? I need those!

    Oh brilliant
    spool32
  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    or as i like to call them, 'cooterments

    “Even as a gengar she was lovely.” ― Ovid, Metamorphoses
  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    Irond Will wrote: »
    i am kind of sympathetic with spool on this.

    i'm all for gay marriage because i think that formalized monogamous romantic relationships are great and it isn't fair to restrict them to only heterosexuals.

    because i think that setting up divisions between gay people and straight people is bad for society.

    not because institutions need subverting, man. down with the patriarchy!

    but I mean

    you've literally been subverting the traditional institution of marriage for a decade now

    like, cohabitating for 10 years with no plan to get married (until recently) is what spool is talking about, as I understand it -- romantic arrangements outside of this institution

    i've always believed in the institution of marriage and have never personally considered my relationships to be in defiance of the institution, or with a view to undermine it.

    i can't speak for spool, and maybe he would. i was really speaking to this attitude of being pro-gay marriage because of the belief that it subverts marriage. i am pro-gay marriage because i see it as expanding and bettering marriage.

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  • WashWash Sweet Christmas Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
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    Bryan Lee O'Malley made a bunch of these. I've got one from the first time I met him, and he autographed the back and drew a picture of Ramona that took up nearly the whole card.

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  • spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    It would be very upsetting to me, to discover that the societal value of marriage had diminished to such an extent that my own children and grandchildren had no respect for the effort and the sacrifices that we went through to maintain one.

    spool32 on
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD along with you if I get drunk well I know I'm gonna be gonna be the man whoRegistered User regular
    Organichu wrote: »
    i think i'm a little unclear on the meaning of subversion

    it's a method for tracking changes

    but you can't be afraid to commit

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    Cinders wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    i am kind of sympathetic with spool on this.

    i'm all for gay marriage because i think that formalized monogamous romantic relationships are great and it isn't fair to restrict them to only heterosexuals.

    because i think that setting up divisions between gay people and straight people is bad for society.

    not because institutions need subverting, man. down with the patriarchy!

    So what you are saying is that old people have trouble adjusting to changes in society? :P

    kids agitating for free love, man isn't exactly a recent development.

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  • CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    It would be very upsetting to me, to discover that the societal value of marriage had diminished to such an extent that my own children and grandchildren had no respect for the effort and the sacrifices that we went through to maintain one.

    I don't see how that would be possible unless everyone stops having relationships somehow.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    HEY why is emnmnme getting my awesomes!? I need those!

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    Dark Raven X
  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    Marriage as a completely pure and sacred institution has never really existed

    It has always been abused, exploited, and casually ended by people who did not, or do not take their commitment seriously

    which doesn't even count marriages that end for completely understandable reasons, including (but not limited to) "people change as they grow older"

    so my sympathy for "marriage should be a pure institution for everyone in this society" is kind of muted

    because, broadly speaking, it never has been and never will be.

    i don't understand this reasoning at all. it just seems like kneejerk cynicism.

    just because an institution or concept hasn't always met its ideal doesn't mean it doesn't have great value.

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Organichu wrote: »
    i think i'm a little unclear on the meaning of subversion

    it's a method for tracking changes

    but you can't be afraid to commit

    Yeah, but think about all the ones that get forked by irreconcilable diffs.

    This machine kills threads.
    Feral
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD along with you if I get drunk well I know I'm gonna be gonna be the man whoRegistered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I doubt that it's remotely as discrete as that.

    Hell, I think sexual orientation isn't as discrete as we make it out to be.

    I mean

    What is, really?

    integers?

    I really liked Hasdai Crescas' refutation of Aristotelian physics

    I don't remember it exactly but he looked at limits and said they are just as big an infinity as a straight line

    This reminds me of that because it implied to me, rightly or wrongly, the fuzziness of integers on a fractal level

    /googles
    Rabbi Hasdai Crescas (ca. 1340–1410/11) was the head of the Jewish community of Aragon, and in some ways all of Hispanic Jewry

    The phrase "hispanic jewry" shouldn't make me snicker

    but it do.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
    PLA
  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    Eddy wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    I doubt that it's remotely as discrete as that.

    Hell, I think sexual orientation isn't as discrete as we make it out to be.

    I mean

    What is, really?

    integers?

    I really liked Hasdai Crescas' refutation of Aristotelian physics

    I don't remember it exactly but he looked at limits and said they are just as big an infinity as a straight line

    This reminds me of that because it implied to me, rightly or wrongly, the fuzziness of integers on a fractal level

    are you high?

    you're high aren't you?

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    FeralApothe0sis
  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    So long as people recognize that two people are in a loving and monogamous relationship I'm not seeing the problem if other random jackoffs call it marriage or not.

    I do have a problem when you assign a bunch of rights to that recognition and fight tooth and nail to deny them to others because abloo abloo what if?

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  • 21stCentury21stCentury Bismuth OS Fully Operational 2019-07-12 - KeystoneRegistered User regular
    Man, reading the Sad Pictures for children kickstarter meltdown makes me feel all sorts of weird.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    do she got the booty? she do

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    It would be very upsetting to me, to discover that the societal value of marriage had diminished to such an extent that my own children and grandchildren had no respect for the effort and the sacrifices that we went through to maintain one.

    Like if it doesn't have intrinsic value that would continue to be recognized. If it is just a thing you struggle through for social recognition, why bother fighting for it?

    This machine kills threads.
    Quid
  • skippydumptruckskippydumptruck (♡°◡°) Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    We all live in the society together. If a bunch of people in Austin got divorced, it would not affect my marriage firstly because it's not my marriage that failed and secondly because everyone recognizes that those marriages failed.

    If the society stopped placing value on marriage, and everyone began to believe that it was trivial, transient, and basically pointless, that would affect my marriage very much. It wouldn't affect my relationship, and it wouldn't affect the values that I placed on my relationship, but it would certainly affect my marriage because A component of that marriage is the societal perception of it. A marriage is not just between two people on an island apart from everyone else in the society. A marriage is a public statement, that people have made a commitment to each other in public. It is a declaration to the society that these people have made a commitment to each other. If the societal response was "Who gives a shit", that would certainly affect me.

    this is more clear to me

    however, I don't follow the part about society needing to respond/validate your choices for them to have merit?

    if Sarah and I make promises to each other, that's what matters

    what someone else thinks of those promises, or whether they choose to make similar promises to someone themselves, has no bearing to my mind

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  • TaminTamin Registered User regular
    edited March 2014
    I really do love Archer's computers

    they look really cool

    Tamin on
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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    Some more
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    And while I'm on Adventure Time stuff @Cinders did ya see FP's new hairstyle? ;D
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    She got poisoned and went pink, then only the bottom parts of her hair started heating up again. :3

    Oh brilliant
    Cinders
  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    Like, oh no, those gosh darn progressives have gone and subverted the concept of marriage so that... um... I am still in a loving monogamous relationship and my friends and colleagues respect that and... something something?

    Terrifying.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    It would be very upsetting to me, to discover that the societal value of marriage had diminished to such an extent that my own children and grandchildren had no respect for the effort and the sacrifices that we went through to maintain one.

    Tell them why you value marriage. Remind your children and grandchildren of the sweet rewards that come from a lasting marriage.

  • OrganichuOrganichu jacobkosh Registered User regular
    why are the people in my life so fucking flaaaaaakey. i told you the place closed at 7 v_v

    #hate

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