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- Python - One of the most popular scripting languages around, Python is the go-to language for...just about everything, actually. Its high scalability and widespread support through third-party libraries make it useful for many applications, from simple five-minute jobs to complex Web servers. Python can also be embedded or bound into lower-level languages such as C, letting you write performance-critical code as well as providing access to libraries written for those languages.
- Ruby - Another popular scripting language, Ruby is best known as the basis for Ruby on Rails, a framework for Web development that competes with its Python equivalent, Django. While not quite as famous as the juggernaut that is Python, Ruby is nonetheless prolific - modern versions of RPG Maker use it as their scripting language, for instance. And, of course, it can be embedded into other applications, much like Python.
- Lua - Yet another scripting language. Lua is built on two principles: simplicity and minimalism. Designed with embedding in mind, Lua's overhead is tiny (it can be counted in hundreds of kilobytes at most) and the language itself only provides a handful of constructs...until you master the black arts of tables and metatables. Those who have done so claim to have seen the face of God; these claims are as yet unsubstantiated. What we do know, however is that in recent years Lua has garnered much attention thanks to LuaJIT, a project that provides not only a just-in-time compiler for Lua (granting a massive speed boost - almost C-like performance, in fact), but also an FFI (foreign function interface) library, allowing Lua scripts to directly call C functions without the hassle of writing boilerplate C bindings.
- C and C++ The Ones Who Came Before. C and C++ are old, clunky, archaic...and the most popular languages in existence. C was conceived in an era when memory was limited and programs were generally written in non-portable assembly languages. The underlying concept (which persists to this day) was that a compiler would take C code, turn it into assembly, and then turn that into an executable or library. Thus, programmers now only had to port most of the codebase instead of all of it! (the situation has improved considerably since then, of course - these days, only the really low-level stuff has a tough time being cross-platform). C++ came some time later, and shook things up significantly with the concepts of classes and generics. Modern C++ also includes the Standard Template Library, or STL, which provides all sorts of useful functionality to make life almost painless. These days most people will learn something simpler like Python before these guys, but make no mistake - everything from your operating system to your favourite video games to your microwave can trace its roots back to one of the two.
- C# - The poster boy for Microsoft's .NET Framework, C# is a JIT-compiled language modelled after C++, but without any of the associated pain. Though initially developed as a robust alternative for Windows development, Microsoft makes the specifications available at no cost, which has led to other implementations popping up - the most well-known being the cross-platform Mono. The main draw of C# is its ease of use: with a ridiculous number of APIs available by default and the ability to call into native code, you'll have a tough time finding something higher-level that you can't do in C#. The fact that Visual Studio, one of the best IDEs around, also supports C#, is just icing on the cake.
- Android - Directly responsible for bringing this OP into the 21st century, Android is a pseudo-operating system framework which runs on top of Linux. Android is primarily written in Java, though it also combines elements of C, C++ and sometimes even Python, and is designed for mobile devices. The Android application framework represents an almost entirely event-driven paradigm written primarily in Java which heavily utilises usage of background services, model-view-controller, and sub-classing as a method of changing behaviour of standard pieces. Also, it runs on your phone!
- Java - :rotate:
- PHP - :rotate:
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I also find it appropriate that the old OP was ditched the last day of my old job. My new job might have me doing some C++, so it was almost potentially out-of-date.
I looked at it the other day.
Why wouldn't you just use C++ at that point? You've got to train all your workers on a new language that's basically php++. That seems retarded.
I don't know why, since PHP projects are usually web-based and would be much better served by having an API built and then a more complex language used that just hits the API endpoints.
This is what happens when you have money, a massive developer team that knows a language, and you believe that trying to teach them C++ or D would cost more than writing a new language. On top of that, moving to C++ would decrease the feedback loop that Hack provides for type checking, which most likely is the primary point of the language for Facebook.
Facebook currently has people writing the D language, Hack, OCaml ( i think ), a C++ linter, a PHP translator and other compiler level things that I don't remember.
It made me angry, but after 5 minutes it was just sadness. There isn't a single valid reason for this project to exists and there will never be one. It feels like somebody's pet, that got pushed through defying all logic and common sense.
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Useless, but neat.
I have a server that I'm trying to log-in to. The following works:
http://servername/app/application
but this doesn't:
https://servername/app/application
The problem is that when I get to the servername it asks me to log-in and if I try to log-in using http it won't work (requires SSL). This server is a WebSEAL, Linux server and I believe it has Websphere installed. Does anyone have ANY idea why it won't work? I'm willing to try anything. I need to get past step 1 of this test.
https://servername/app/application
http://servernameIPAddress/app/application
What doesn't work (and NEEDS to work):
https://servernameIPAddress/app/application
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Nintendo ID: Incindium
PSN: IncindiumX
Might not be a virtualhost setting or something to account for servername
It's cheaper and easier to hire php codemonkeys than c++ codemonkeys.
I think delmain hit the nail on the head with this one.
It allows you to transition to "another language" while playing seamlessly with your existing codebase.
I've been trying to write as much as possible and not lean on 3rd party libs for high level functionality
so far i have
- SDL2 for basic graphics and input
- jsoncpp for data management
and that's it.
I'll probably get something Qtish or equivalent to help me build menus. I dread having to get that shit to work.
At the moment all of my work has been core 2D functionality in the spirit of Link to the Past, but with point and click control. I'm approaching "good enough" status with all that.
Then I can move to the fun stuff. I am really interesting in experimenting with local lighting in SDL2... having magic missiles that illuminate darkness.
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Agreed. I program primarily in C# and Javascript at my job. Going to be taking a look at TypeScript soon too due to the Visual Studio 2013 update including it.
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Also learning that sim city's server system was built in java.
lolwut
that's what you get when you let a guy named "Ocean" run your studio
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I'd rather have seen it written in node or something jesus christ.
For those interested
You can tell he was instructed to make it seem like their system was high tech when it was little more than a piracy check system.
its worth mentioning that the UI layer of the game client IS in fact written in JS
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My favorite was when they were touting the agent system so strongly before launch, then the game launched and people figured out that the agents weren't actually persisting their data. A worker doesn't have a house with a family he goes back to every day, he just looks for the closest house. On a different day, another worker will go to that guy's house and sleep there. Same thing with jobs.
That entire project seemed completely mismanaged from the ground up.
I think that would explain a lot of the problems it has.
and then they reduced the map size to force it to scale
and then that didn't work either
and then the project was due to ship in two months
so they just ripped it all out
again, Ocean Quigley is a fraud and I am surprised nobody in the press held him accountable
Polygon reported that he quit because "EA screwed the launch"
no. you screwed the game, idiot
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is that why it needs twice as many cores with almost twice as much clock speed to do equivalent work to iOS?
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Might even be simpler than that.
I bet it was, "no one's even going to notice shit like this, why bother implementing it?" The the scaling issue where 1 citizen represents like 1000 is an issue probably with how they handle dealing with the Java server.
You figure that's a good 750 megs of data you'd have to be transferring every few seconds. The distributed system never even made sense, my i7 can handle more than the type of computer time they're going to give me from their system. And I've got 8+ gigs to work with.
Totally a masquerade for anti-piracy in its finest.
It's a good choice for a lot of applications. Especially with the delicious JDK 8 stuff that just came out.
man you're cool
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