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    CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
    y2jake215 wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Will, I'm gonna be honest here buddy

    we all do vexatious things that are our vexatious things

    i know, for example, I'm a giant blowhard who bulldozers conversations

    it's something i am keenly aware of and try to reign in because it can be annoying

    but one of your very vexatious things is for like, every single controversial issue that affects a group that is not you

    your de facto response is

    "Yeah but... is this really a problem? I mean, I don't see it happen. I'm not doubting it's existence, guys, I'm just saying... is it really that bad?"

    Yes, yes it is, or at the very least we believe it is or we wouldn't be so dang fired up about it, so when you ask that question it never comes across in good faith, it comes across as a way of you shrugging your shoulders and kind of being in denial of the issue or minimizing the outrage because it doesn't affect you or you're not seeing what all the fuss is about.

    And I kind of wish you'd just... stop doing that?

    Like either take in good faith that people are mad for a reason, or believe that they are not because you have a good reason not to

    don't just take a default position of doubting them because you think you ought to.

    Is doing this really that bad though

    You're on the list

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    hey pony you have a real gift at cutting right to the core of something sometimes

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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    I've been working a side business for the last year+ (It's not really in the 'making money' stage but that's ok cause I have a day job)

    I deliberately go by CE Arbuthnot as opposed to Cassandra Arbuthnot

    because I have tracked how much harassment and anger I get under each name and the gendered name gets a huge huge huge spike

    and it gets real fuckin mean

    also I have worked hard to be near google invisible but if I hadn't done so I'd have more cause to worry

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    hey pony you have a real gift at cutting right to the core of something sometimes

    like the corpse of a prostitute

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    #halloweenjokes

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    Wash wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    there is a Chrome extension out there that changes "SJW" or to "skeleton" in any displayed web-page and it makes reading stupid Gater garbage kind of amazing:

    Bz68TfMCMAIfg8e.png:large

    Infiltration?

    These people are paranoid and delusional.

    i dunno skeletons are super spooky

    there's a skeleton in you right now
    OH GOD GET IT OUT GET IT OUT AHHHH

    Bless your heart.
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    TehSlothTehSloth Hit Or Miss I Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered User regular
    Holy shit -- got sent a resume to review for an interview I'm doing

    IT'S 20 PAGES!

    @Deebaser‌
    everything about hiring is terrible

    FC: 1993-7778-8872 PSN: TehSloth Xbox: SlothTeh
    twitch.tv/tehsloth
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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    I don't always agree with Pony (ok I seldom agree with Pony) but I fucking agree with Pony

    fyi

    hth

    smd

    (suck my dick)

    (i hope that catches on)

    (i'm a tastemaker)

    3DS: 2165 - 6538 - 3417
    NNID: Hakkekage
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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    Wash wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    there is a Chrome extension out there that changes "SJW" or to "skeleton" in any displayed web-page and it makes reading stupid Gater garbage kind of amazing:

    Bz68TfMCMAIfg8e.png:large

    Infiltration?

    These people are paranoid and delusional.

    i dunno skeletons are super spooky

    there's a skeleton in you right now

    OH NO GAMERGATE WAS RIGHT!!!

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    I don't always agree with Pony (ok I seldom agree with Pony) but I fucking agree with Pony

    fyi

    hth

    smd

    (suck my dick)

    (i hope that catches on)

    (i'm a tastemaker)

    i read it as shake my dick

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    I don't always agree with Pony (ok I seldom agree with Pony) but I fucking agree with Pony

    fyi

    hth

    smd

    (suck my dick)

    (i hope that catches on)

    (i'm a tastemaker)

    as a woman sometimes you want to be real fuckin vulgar and rude and if you do I suggest you try "suck my clit" there's something real jawdropping about it fyi hth

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    Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Mortious wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote:
    Did you see my other post? I have a friend that is an editor of a small town free newspaper that has received death threats. That's a lot closer to the mark of vidya game writer and probably has a much smaller readership than a lot of even small time bloggers

    I did. I don't know why it prompted you to post an even less analogous position but I don't find that one especially compelling either. Readership for their physical paper is at its lowest at 150k+ readers. That doesn't include their internet blogs. Sarkeesian only recently had as many subscribers as the newspaper alone in the last few months.

    Though out of curiosity how often was your friend's home address tweeted and retweeted by a movement totally not about misogyny hating journalists?

    150K? Internet blogs? What? Dude, im talking small. The town in question has a population of 50,000. The paper is basically the pennysaver with articles. The point of both anecdotes is that if you are a public figure in any capacity some asshole is going to send you a threat. It sucks, but it's sadly the way shit has been for a long while and it's not news. There's always going to be some asshole.

    Oh sorry I misread.

    So how many death threats and for what?

    Cause Sarkeesian isn't being attacked by that one asshole down the street that everyone knows is a total jerk.

    Anonymous and does the frequency really matter?
    They are threats made anonymously by one or a few people in a small audience over some bullshit like the coverage of a local car show or some thing.

    I think the frequency does matter, yes. Is that a real question?


    Well since we're keeping score for some reason, I think I received 2.
    I have no idea how many my editor buddy receives, but they come in the form of email and "actual fucking letters".
    is that enough?

    Enough for what. I think the frequency matters in how it will affect someone psychologically. One is too much, but there is going to be a difference between intermittent threats and several, daily.

    And the specificity. Some of those contain personal address details, names of family, schools etc.

    Okay, you want specificity?
    I was a letter to my parent's house anonymously that threatened me by name and said that I would pay for some unspecified wrong I did to his/her family. At the time I was working in the No department of a Health Insurance company making bullshit money.

    How many tweets is that worth?
    This is goosey as fuck.

    It is. Especially what happened to you.

    So is it also not terrible that it happened to someone else or what? Seriously, what is the point you're trying to get at here?

    Deebs honestly, this is a moment when you need to step back and get some distance from your personal experiences. There are a host of differences between your situation and Anita Sarkeesian's, or Brianna Wu's, or any other person in the public eye you are scoffing at for taking the death threats they are receiving seriously. Honestly--I know you hate this word, but this is the point where you need to examine your privilege and the position you are arguing from. It is not a strong one.

    Who is Brianna Wu?

    she runs a boston company that made an anime-styled ipad adventure game targeted at women

    i met her at a couple paxes and played her game

    it wasn't really my cup of tea but on the other hand i applaud her doing something different and adding diversity to the games space and she was real nice

    anyways she seems to have gotten a nasty death threat and i think left her house

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    skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    oh no it's getting darker

    I don't like the looks of this

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    I don't always agree with Pony (ok I seldom agree with Pony) but I fucking agree with Pony

    fyi

    hth

    smd

    (suck my dick)

    (i hope that catches on)

    (i'm a tastemaker)

    this is streets ahead

    in the sense that it will never happen

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    y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    I don't always agree with Pony (ok I seldom agree with Pony) but I fucking agree with Pony

    fyi

    hth

    smd

    (suck my dick)

    (i hope that catches on)

    (i'm a tastemaker)

    It's been caught

    It's long since been tasted

    C8Ft8GE.jpg
    maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    TehSloth wrote: »
    Holy shit -- got sent a resume to review for an interview I'm doing

    IT'S 20 PAGES!

    @Deebaser‌
    everything about hiring is terrible
    Is it an Academic's CV

    those get long

    they want to list everything they ever wrote

    i don't blame 'em tho

    3DS: 2165 - 6538 - 3417
    NNID: Hakkekage
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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    oh no it's getting darker

    I don't like the looks of this

    cism

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Pony wrote: »
    is it really that bad?"

    ...we believe it is...

    ...either take in good faith that people are mad for a reason, or believe that they are not because you have a good reason not to.

    don't just take a default position of doubting them because you think you ought to.

    That's not how this works.

    Player-1: "Is there a god?"

    Player-2: We believe there is.

    Player-1: Oh, well, they must have a reason for thinking that. Can't ask what their reason is. Hum de dum.

    If someone asks why you believe X, it is your job to provide reasons. It is not the job of the inquirer to assume there are reasons.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Mortious wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Deebaser wrote:
    Did you see my other post? I have a friend that is an editor of a small town free newspaper that has received death threats. That's a lot closer to the mark of vidya game writer and probably has a much smaller readership than a lot of even small time bloggers

    I did. I don't know why it prompted you to post an even less analogous position but I don't find that one especially compelling either. Readership for their physical paper is at its lowest at 150k+ readers. That doesn't include their internet blogs. Sarkeesian only recently had as many subscribers as the newspaper alone in the last few months.

    Though out of curiosity how often was your friend's home address tweeted and retweeted by a movement totally not about misogyny hating journalists?

    150K? Internet blogs? What? Dude, im talking small. The town in question has a population of 50,000. The paper is basically the pennysaver with articles. The point of both anecdotes is that if you are a public figure in any capacity some asshole is going to send you a threat. It sucks, but it's sadly the way shit has been for a long while and it's not news. There's always going to be some asshole.

    Oh sorry I misread.

    So how many death threats and for what?

    Cause Sarkeesian isn't being attacked by that one asshole down the street that everyone knows is a total jerk.

    Anonymous and does the frequency really matter?
    They are threats made anonymously by one or a few people in a small audience over some bullshit like the coverage of a local car show or some thing.

    I think the frequency does matter, yes. Is that a real question?


    Well since we're keeping score for some reason, I think I received 2.
    I have no idea how many my editor buddy receives, but they come in the form of email and "actual fucking letters".
    is that enough?

    Enough for what. I think the frequency matters in how it will affect someone psychologically. One is too much, but there is going to be a difference between intermittent threats and several, daily.

    And the specificity. Some of those contain personal address details, names of family, schools etc.

    Okay, you want specificity?
    I was a letter to my parent's house anonymously that threatened me by name and said that I would pay for some unspecified wrong I did to his/her family. At the time I was working in the No department of a Health Insurance company making bullshit money.

    How many tweets is that worth?
    This is goosey as fuck.

    It is. Especially what happened to you.

    So is it also not terrible that it happened to someone else or what? Seriously, what is the point you're trying to get at here?

    Deebs honestly, this is a moment when you need to step back and get some distance from your personal experiences. There are a host of differences between your situation and Anita Sarkeesian's, or Brianna Wu's, or any other person in the public eye you are scoffing at for taking the death threats they are receiving seriously. Honestly--I know you hate this word, but this is the point where you need to examine your privilege and the position you are arguing from. It is not a strong one.

    Who is Brianna Wu?

    she runs a boston company that made an anime-styled ipad adventure game targeted at women

    i met her at a couple paxes and played her game

    it wasn't really my cup of tea but on the other hand i applaud her doing something different and adding diversity to the games space and she was real nice

    anyways she seems to have gotten a nasty death threat and i think left her house

    :(

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    y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    I don't always agree with Pony (ok I seldom agree with Pony) but I fucking agree with Pony

    fyi

    hth

    smd

    (suck my dick)

    (i hope that catches on)

    (i'm a tastemaker)

    this is streets ahead

    in the sense that it will never happen

    It IS streets ahead

    In the sense that it was already slang long beforehand

    C8Ft8GE.jpg
    maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
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    ChelleYeahChelleYeah Mrs. Ludious Living it up in Cinderella's CastleRegistered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    I don't always agree with Pony (ok I seldom agree with Pony) but I fucking agree with Pony

    fyi

    hth

    smd

    (suck my dick)

    (i hope that catches on)

    (i'm a tastemaker)

    i read it as shake my dick

    the new way to greet one another

    I post Makeup stuff and Schnauzers on instagram.

    Ludious wrote: »
    I react like a dyslexic crash test dummy. Hit the wall then the brakes.
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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    I don't always agree with Pony (ok I seldom agree with Pony) but I fucking agree with Pony

    fyi

    hth

    smd

    (suck my dick)

    (i hope that catches on)

    (i'm a tastemaker)

    as a woman sometimes you want to be real fuckin vulgar and rude and if you do I suggest you try "suck my clit" there's something real jawdropping about it fyi hth

    duly noted, stolen and incorporated, you are not given credit or even acknowledged while i rake it in

    hey cass

    smc

    YEAAAAAAAH

    3DS: 2165 - 6538 - 3417
    NNID: Hakkekage
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    TTODewbackTTODewback Puts the drawl in ya'll I think I'm in HellRegistered User regular
    oh no it's getting darker

    I don't like the looks of this

    omg white flight

    you cis scumlord

    Bless your heart.
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    wazillawazilla Having a late dinner Registered User regular
    _J_ wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    is it really that bad?"

    ...we believe it is...

    ...either take in good faith that people are mad for a reason, or believe that they are not because you have a good reason not to.

    don't just take a default position of doubting them because you think you ought to.

    That's not how this works.

    Player-1: "Is there a god?"

    Player-2: We believe there is.

    Player-1: Oh, well, they must have a reason for thinking that. Can't ask what their reason is. Hum de dum.

    If someone asks why you believe X, it is your job to provide reasons. It is not the job of the inquirer to assume there are reasons.

    You should never give people the benefit of the doubt because then someone might claim that God exists.

    Ok.

    Psn:wazukki
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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    _J_ wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    is it really that bad?"

    ...we believe it is...

    ...either take in good faith that people are mad for a reason, or believe that they are not because you have a good reason not to.

    don't just take a default position of doubting them because you think you ought to.

    That's not how this works.

    Player-1: "Is there a god?"

    Player-2: We believe there is.

    Player-1: Oh, well, they must have a reason for thinking that. Can't ask what their reason is. Hum de dum.

    If someone asks why you believe X, it is your job to provide reasons. It is not the job of the inquirer to assume there are reasons.

    i think we're talking more about dismissing the possibility of valid reasons

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    One thing that people find horrible is the posting of addresses.

    I do find this reprehensible. The thing is given someones name, general living area and possibly a picture or just enough time you can dig up someones address, phone number, work address and probably even frequently visited places.

    Part of this is because we give this info out constantly via apps, social media and other parts is it just ends up in the public domain through the internet like the old phone book.

    It is part of the new world.

    Your information is not private.

    And in many ways we as a society have not adapted this.

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    OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    "The original Grimrock had a child with Myst and it was kidnapped by Dark Souls II in its infancy and raised to adulthood in the graveyard of forgotten CRPGs. That's Grimrock II. And yet it has its own puzzling, riddling dungeon crawling magic. It's an intricate puzzle box hiding needles beneath its surface. It's a frightening force of nature, a storm of darkness and the things that crawl in it. It's a sphinx with starry eyes. The Legend of Grimrock II is a work of genius"

    I guess they liked it OK.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    Wash wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    there is a Chrome extension out there that changes "SJW" or to "skeleton" in any displayed web-page and it makes reading stupid Gater garbage kind of amazing:

    Bz68TfMCMAIfg8e.png:large

    Infiltration?

    These people are paranoid and delusional.

    i dunno skeletons are super spooky

    there's a skeleton in you right now

    oh wow you're right, they're way more stealthy than I gave them credit for

    override367 on
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    HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    _J_ wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    is it really that bad?"

    ...we believe it is...

    ...either take in good faith that people are mad for a reason, or believe that they are not because you have a good reason not to.

    don't just take a default position of doubting them because you think you ought to.

    That's not how this works.

    Player-1: "Is there a god?"

    Player-2: We believe there is.

    Player-1: Oh, well, they must have a reason for thinking that. Can't ask what their reason is. Hum de dum.

    If someone asks why you believe X, it is your job to provide reasons. It is not the job of the inquirer to assume there are reasons.

    finally we've gotten to the metaphysics of it all.

    shut it down.

    3DS: 2165 - 6538 - 3417
    NNID: Hakkekage
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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    wazilla wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    is it really that bad?"

    ...we believe it is...

    ...either take in good faith that people are mad for a reason, or believe that they are not because you have a good reason not to.

    don't just take a default position of doubting them because you think you ought to.

    That's not how this works.

    Player-1: "Is there a god?"

    Player-2: We believe there is.

    Player-1: Oh, well, they must have a reason for thinking that. Can't ask what their reason is. Hum de dum.

    If someone asks why you believe X, it is your job to provide reasons. It is not the job of the inquirer to assume there are reasons.

    You should never give people the benefit of the doubt because then someone might claim that God exists.

    Ok.

    well

    not the worst advice?

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    skippydumptruckskippydumptruck begin again Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    oh no it's getting darker

    I don't like the looks of this

    cism

    there're some blue skinned ruffians walking a little too close behind me

    *clutches driftwood club closely*

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    RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    Seriously though Will don't have any illusions about the PA forums

    to most people in the online world, being a mod of a PA forum would be about on par with being in charge of one of the nastier gamergate reddits

    the default assumption would be that of course this is a bastion of gamersgatery of the worst kind

    Attacked by tweeeeeeees!
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    ArchArch Neat-o, mosquito! Registered User regular
    _J_ wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    i am proud to be in both games

    also, obvfiously, I support this [chat]

    How did the beetle lecture go?

    A+

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    since we're talking about how horrible gamers are

    the front office of Blizzard has bullet proof glass in front of the receptionist

    and not because they're worried about local crime

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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    I don't always agree with Pony (ok I seldom agree with Pony) but I fucking agree with Pony

    fyi

    hth

    smd

    (suck my dick)

    (i hope that catches on)

    (i'm a tastemaker)

    as a woman sometimes you want to be real fuckin vulgar and rude and if you do I suggest you try "suck my clit" there's something real jawdropping about it fyi hth

    duly noted, stolen and incorporated, you are not given credit or even acknowledged while i rake it in

    hey cass

    smc

    YEAAAAAAAH

    i am consulting with my legal team

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    i mean

    we are by and large a bunch of assholes

    there's just maybe a misconception about which kind

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    TehSlothTehSloth Hit Or Miss I Guess They Never Miss, HuhRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    TehSloth wrote: »
    Holy shit -- got sent a resume to review for an interview I'm doing

    IT'S 20 PAGES!

    -Deebaser‌
    everything about hiring is terrible
    Is it an Academic's CV

    those get long

    they want to list everything they ever wrote

    i don't blame 'em tho

    It's for a software developer -- no degree from what I can tell

    Each page is a detailed breakdown of his job description from a previous job.

    There's also a lot of weird personal information -- it's for a candidate from the Phillipines so maybe that's normal over there.

    FC: 1993-7778-8872 PSN: TehSloth Xbox: SlothTeh
    twitch.tv/tehsloth
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    rockrngerrockrnger Registered User regular
    _J_ wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    is it really that bad?"

    ...we believe it is...

    ...either take in good faith that people are mad for a reason, or believe that they are not because you have a good reason not to.

    don't just take a default position of doubting them because you think you ought to.

    That's not how this works.

    Player-1: "Is there a god?"

    Player-2: We believe there is.

    Player-1: Oh, well, they must have a reason for thinking that. Can't ask what their reason is. Hum de dum.

    If someone asks why you believe X, it is your job to provide reasons. It is not the job of the inquirer to assume there are reasons.

    Maybe that is how it works.

    Maybe you just can comprehend it with hoe feeble mind.

    Maybe you didn't even make this post because the world was just created.

    Agnosticism.

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    OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    will i added a little brown sugar to my latest chili

    hate me

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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    since we're talking about how horrible gamers are

    the front office of Blizzard has bullet proof glass in front of the receptionist

    and not because they're worried about local crime

    some guy got banned from league of legends so he called in sick to work, told his mom he was going to work, drove to riot hq, hung out back and hid behind a dumpster and waited for morello to come out so he could beg for his account back

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