i don't know how you could say gamers or gaming culture doesn't tend towards sexism if you've actually you know, been involved in a gaming community (esp. on the internet)
penny arcade is an internet gaming community
do we tend towards sexism?
Nope.
Though it doesn't make up the whole of gaming culture either.
i don't know how you could say gamers or gaming culture doesn't tend towards sexism if you've actually you know, been involved in a gaming community (esp. on the internet)
penny arcade is an internet gaming community
do we tend towards sexism?
I wouldn't say we're an internet gaming community anymore.
i don't know how you could say gamers or gaming culture doesn't tend towards sexism if you've actually you know, been involved in a gaming community (esp. on the internet)
Gamer communities are very treehouse.
This same thing (not to this extreme, and not to minimize) happened when filthy casuals ruined gaming as well.
Now we accept casual gaming and its a market force because adults have things to do sometimes.
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i don't know how you could say gamers or gaming culture doesn't tend towards sexism if you've actually you know, been involved in a gaming community (esp. on the internet)
penny arcade is an internet gaming community
do we tend towards sexism?
I'm guessing this will generate some "no true gaming community" responses.
THAT IS NOT TO SAY DEATH THREATS ARE ACCEPTABLE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM OR THAT ANYONE WHO RECEIVES THEM DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY
I was just saying I think the gross privacy violations are worse to me
that any of the people in this thing have to experience any of that is horrible
like what Zoe Quinn is going through is sickening
I probably would have killed myself because I don't have the stomach for that level of hatred
I don't recall any Giantbomb employees ever talking about death threats. I figure they would at least joke about it if it ever happened.
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Gamer communities are very treehouse.
This same thing (not to this extreme, and not to minimize) happened when filthy casuals ruined gaming as well.
Now we accept casual gaming and its a market force because adults have things to do sometimes.
I would imagine there's a lot of overlap on the venn diagram of people who have said, in utter seriousness, that casuals ruin gaming, and the GG people
Did you see my other post? I have a friend that is an editor of a small town free newspaper that has received death threats. That's a lot closer to the mark of vidya game writer and probably has a much smaller readership than a lot of even small time bloggers
I did. I don't know why it prompted you to post an even less analogous position but I don't find that one especially compelling either. Readership for their physical paper is at its lowest at 150k+ readers. That doesn't include their internet blogs. Sarkeesian only recently had as many subscribers as the newspaper alone in the last few months.
Though out of curiosity how often was your friend's home address tweeted and retweeted by a movement totally not about misogyny hating journalists?
150K? Internet blogs? What? Dude, im talking small. The town in question has a population of 50,000. The paper is basically the pennysaver with articles. The point of both anecdotes is that if you are a public figure in any capacity some asshole is going to send you a threat. It sucks, but it's sadly the way shit has been for a long while and it's not news. There's always going to be some asshole.
Oh sorry I misread.
So how many death threats and for what?
Cause Sarkeesian isn't being attacked by that one asshole down the street that everyone knows is a total jerk.
Anonymous and does the frequency really matter?
They are threats made anonymously by one or a few people in a small audience over some bullshit like the coverage of a local car show or some thing.
I think the frequency does matter, yes. Is that a real question?
Well since we're keeping score for some reason, I think I received 2.
I have no idea how many my editor buddy receives, but they come in the form of email and "actual fucking letters".
is that enough?
Enough for what. I think the frequency matters in how it will affect someone psychologically. One is too much, but there is going to be a difference between intermittent threats and several, daily.
And the specificity. Some of those contain personal address details, names of family, schools etc.
Okay, you want specificity?
I was a letter to my parent's house anonymously that threatened me by name and said that I would pay for some unspecified wrong I did to his/her family. At the time I was working in the No department of a Health Insurance company making bullshit money.
How many tweets is that worth?
This is goosey as fuck.
It is. Especially what happened to you.
So is it also not terrible that it happened to someone else or what? Seriously, what is the point you're trying to get at here?
Deebs honestly, this is a moment when you need to step back and get some distance from your personal experiences. There are a host of differences between your situation and Anita Sarkeesian's, or Brianna Wu's, or any other person in the public eye you are scoffing at for taking the death threats they are receiving seriously. Honestly--I know you hate this word, but this is the point where you need to examine your privilege and the position you are arguing from. It is not a strong one.
i don't know how you could say gamers or gaming culture doesn't tend towards sexism if you've actually you know, been involved in a gaming community (esp. on the internet)
penny arcade is an internet gaming community
do we tend towards sexism?
Yes, holy jesus Will yes
maybe not in [chat] where you are most comfortable but if you go over to G&T or in any D&D thread on gender issues, holy jesus fuck my eye christ is there a loud-ass contingent of some sexist-ass people on here
like jesus look upon some of the shit in this recent thread and fucking despair, Will
look at the reason it had to be taken out back and fucking shot
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Did you see my other post? I have a friend that is an editor of a small town free newspaper that has received death threats. That's a lot closer to the mark of vidya game writer and probably has a much smaller readership than a lot of even small time bloggers
I did. I don't know why it prompted you to post an even less analogous position but I don't find that one especially compelling either. Readership for their physical paper is at its lowest at 150k+ readers. That doesn't include their internet blogs. Sarkeesian only recently had as many subscribers as the newspaper alone in the last few months.
Though out of curiosity how often was your friend's home address tweeted and retweeted by a movement totally not about misogyny hating journalists?
150K? Internet blogs? What? Dude, im talking small. The town in question has a population of 50,000. The paper is basically the pennysaver with articles. The point of both anecdotes is that if you are a public figure in any capacity some asshole is going to send you a threat. It sucks, but it's sadly the way shit has been for a long while and it's not news. There's always going to be some asshole.
Oh sorry I misread.
So how many death threats and for what?
Cause Sarkeesian isn't being attacked by that one asshole down the street that everyone knows is a total jerk.
Anonymous and does the frequency really matter?
They are threats made anonymously by one or a few people in a small audience over some bullshit like the coverage of a local car show or some thing.
I think the frequency does matter, yes. Is that a real question?
Well since we're keeping score for some reason, I think I received 2.
I have no idea how many my editor buddy receives, but they come in the form of email and "actual fucking letters".
is that enough?
Enough for what. I think the frequency matters in how it will affect someone psychologically. One is too much, but there is going to be a difference between intermittent threats and several, daily.
And the specificity. Some of those contain personal address details, names of family, schools etc.
Okay, you want specificity?
I was a letter to my parent's house anonymously that threatened me by name and said that I would pay for some unspecified wrong I did to his/her family. At the time I was working in the No department of a Health Insurance company making bullshit money.
How many tweets is that worth?
This is goosey as fuck.
It is. Especially what happened to you.
So is it also not terrible that it happened to someone else or what? Seriously, what is the point you're trying to get at here?
Every public figure, even ones with relatively tiny audiences get anonymous threats. It is a part of being in the public sphere. If you have a large audience it would be more of a story if you didn't get them.
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i don't know how you could say gamers or gaming culture doesn't tend towards sexism if you've actually you know, been involved in a gaming community (esp. on the internet)
Did you see my other post? I have a friend that is an editor of a small town free newspaper that has received death threats. That's a lot closer to the mark of vidya game writer and probably has a much smaller readership than a lot of even small time bloggers
I did. I don't know why it prompted you to post an even less analogous position but I don't find that one especially compelling either. Readership for their physical paper is at its lowest at 150k+ readers. That doesn't include their internet blogs. Sarkeesian only recently had as many subscribers as the newspaper alone in the last few months.
Though out of curiosity how often was your friend's home address tweeted and retweeted by a movement totally not about misogyny hating journalists?
150K? Internet blogs? What? Dude, im talking small. The town in question has a population of 50,000. The paper is basically the pennysaver with articles. The point of both anecdotes is that if you are a public figure in any capacity some asshole is going to send you a threat. It sucks, but it's sadly the way shit has been for a long while and it's not news. There's always going to be some asshole.
Oh sorry I misread.
So how many death threats and for what?
Cause Sarkeesian isn't being attacked by that one asshole down the street that everyone knows is a total jerk.
Anonymous and does the frequency really matter?
They are threats made anonymously by one or a few people in a small audience over some bullshit like the coverage of a local car show or some thing.
I think the frequency does matter, yes. Is that a real question?
Well since we're keeping score for some reason, I think I received 2.
I have no idea how many my editor buddy receives, but they come in the form of email and "actual fucking letters".
is that enough?
Enough for what. I think the frequency matters in how it will affect someone psychologically. One is too much, but there is going to be a difference between intermittent threats and several, daily.
And the specificity. Some of those contain personal address details, names of family, schools etc.
Okay, you want specificity?
I was a letter to my parent's house anonymously that threatened me by name and said that I would pay for some unspecified wrong I did to his/her family. At the time I was working in the No department of a Health Insurance company making bullshit money.
How many tweets is that worth?
This is goosey as fuck.
It is. Especially what happened to you.
So is it also not terrible that it happened to someone else or what? Seriously, what is the point you're trying to get at here?
Every public figure, even ones with relatively tiny populations get anonymous threats. It is a part of being in the public sphere. If you have a large audience it would be more of a story if you didn't get them.
So
You don't think it matters that she's getting tons of death threats or what? Or I guess just not a big deal.
I realize my last post might have come out a bit wrong or condescending perhaps.
I've, at times, felt that I should defend the gamer label or talk about how I'm a self-identified gamer that plays for several hours a day for fun, stress relief, etc.
But with all the vitriol and misogyny coming from certain gamer-affiliated parties it has made it easier to just kind of keep doing my own thing.
A younger me with more time to spare would probably be arguing on message boards about it.
Beltway is becoming a term of disparagement about people perceived to be political insiders in Wellington, the capital, by people who are usually political reporters. That bugs me, as people regularly then need to explain what a beltway is, what its alternate meaning is and such.
We should just use another word
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Did you see my other post? I have a friend that is an editor of a small town free newspaper that has received death threats. That's a lot closer to the mark of vidya game writer and probably has a much smaller readership than a lot of even small time bloggers
I did. I don't know why it prompted you to post an even less analogous position but I don't find that one especially compelling either. Readership for their physical paper is at its lowest at 150k+ readers. That doesn't include their internet blogs. Sarkeesian only recently had as many subscribers as the newspaper alone in the last few months.
Though out of curiosity how often was your friend's home address tweeted and retweeted by a movement totally not about misogyny hating journalists?
150K? Internet blogs? What? Dude, im talking small. The town in question has a population of 50,000. The paper is basically the pennysaver with articles. The point of both anecdotes is that if you are a public figure in any capacity some asshole is going to send you a threat. It sucks, but it's sadly the way shit has been for a long while and it's not news. There's always going to be some asshole.
Oh sorry I misread.
So how many death threats and for what?
Cause Sarkeesian isn't being attacked by that one asshole down the street that everyone knows is a total jerk.
Anonymous and does the frequency really matter?
They are threats made anonymously by one or a few people in a small audience over some bullshit like the coverage of a local car show or some thing.
I think the frequency does matter, yes. Is that a real question?
Well since we're keeping score for some reason, I think I received 2.
I have no idea how many my editor buddy receives, but they come in the form of email and "actual fucking letters".
is that enough?
Enough for what. I think the frequency matters in how it will affect someone psychologically. One is too much, but there is going to be a difference between intermittent threats and several, daily.
And the specificity. Some of those contain personal address details, names of family, schools etc.
Okay, you want specificity?
I was a letter to my parent's house anonymously that threatened me by name and said that I would pay for some unspecified wrong I did to his/her family. At the time I was working in the No department of a Health Insurance company making bullshit money.
How many tweets is that worth?
This is goosey as fuck.
It is. Especially what happened to you.
So is it also not terrible that it happened to someone else or what? Seriously, what is the point you're trying to get at here?
Every public figure, even ones with relatively tiny populations get anonymous threats. It is a part of being in the public sphere. If you have a large audience it would be more of a story if you didn't get them.
So
You don't think it matters that she's getting tons of death threats or what? Or I guess just not a big deal.
tons?
Could you provide the frequency and specificity? It's apparently important.
Beltway is becoming a term of disparagement about people perceived to be political insiders in Wellington, the capital, by people who are usually political reporters. That bugs me, as people regularly then need to explain what a beltway is, what its alternate meaning is and such.
Beltway is becoming a term of disparagement about people perceived to be political insiders in Wellington, the capital, by people who are usually political reporters. That bugs me, as people regularly then need to explain what a beltway is, what its alternate meaning is and such.
We should just use another word
The polispheregrid.
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I'm gonna quote that article again, because it's just making these arguments better than I am:
By most metrics, Gamergate comprises an insignificant fraction of video game fans. On Reddit, for example, the main staging ground for Gamergate has reached 10,000 readers, representing .17 percent of the more than six million readers on the general gaming subreddit. In terms of actual, demonstrated public interest, this isn't even a tempest in a teapot. What it lacks in scale, though, it more than makes up for in volume.
Do gaters represent the majority of gamers? No. Objectively, no they do not. Is gaming culture, insofar as such a thing can be claimed to exist in the generic, sexist? Yes, and moreso than "in general" for the sort of background radiation sexism in modern culture.
there is a Chrome extension out there that changes "SJW" or to "skeleton" in any displayed web-page and it makes reading stupid Gater garbage kind of amazing:
Infiltration?
These people are paranoid and delusional.
Wash on
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Did you see my other post? I have a friend that is an editor of a small town free newspaper that has received death threats. That's a lot closer to the mark of vidya game writer and probably has a much smaller readership than a lot of even small time bloggers
I did. I don't know why it prompted you to post an even less analogous position but I don't find that one especially compelling either. Readership for their physical paper is at its lowest at 150k+ readers. That doesn't include their internet blogs. Sarkeesian only recently had as many subscribers as the newspaper alone in the last few months.
Though out of curiosity how often was your friend's home address tweeted and retweeted by a movement totally not about misogyny hating journalists?
150K? Internet blogs? What? Dude, im talking small. The town in question has a population of 50,000. The paper is basically the pennysaver with articles. The point of both anecdotes is that if you are a public figure in any capacity some asshole is going to send you a threat. It sucks, but it's sadly the way shit has been for a long while and it's not news. There's always going to be some asshole.
Oh sorry I misread.
So how many death threats and for what?
Cause Sarkeesian isn't being attacked by that one asshole down the street that everyone knows is a total jerk.
Anonymous and does the frequency really matter?
They are threats made anonymously by one or a few people in a small audience over some bullshit like the coverage of a local car show or some thing.
I think the frequency does matter, yes. Is that a real question?
Well since we're keeping score for some reason, I think I received 2.
I have no idea how many my editor buddy receives, but they come in the form of email and "actual fucking letters".
is that enough?
Enough for what. I think the frequency matters in how it will affect someone psychologically. One is too much, but there is going to be a difference between intermittent threats and several, daily.
And the specificity. Some of those contain personal address details, names of family, schools etc.
Okay, you want specificity?
I was a letter to my parent's house anonymously that threatened me by name and said that I would pay for some unspecified wrong I did to his/her family. At the time I was working in the No department of a Health Insurance company making bullshit money.
How many tweets is that worth?
This is goosey as fuck.
It is. Especially what happened to you.
So is it also not terrible that it happened to someone else or what? Seriously, what is the point you're trying to get at here?
Deebs honestly, this is a moment when you need to step back and get some distance from your personal experiences. There are a host of differences between your situation and Anita Sarkeesian's, or Brianna Wu's, or any other person in the public eye you are scoffing at for taking the death threats they are receiving seriously. Honestly--I know you hate this word, but this is the point where you need to examine your privilege and the position you are arguing from. It is not a strong one.
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Nope.
Though it doesn't make up the whole of gaming culture either.
good, good
I wouldn't say we're an internet gaming community anymore.
More like an internet community.
This same thing (not to this extreme, and not to minimize) happened when filthy casuals ruined gaming as well.
Now we accept casual gaming and its a market force because adults have things to do sometimes.
there, i said it.
I mean, every "scandal" gets some perversion of their name.
I'm guessing this will generate some "no true gaming community" responses.
wait this is better
I don't recall any Giantbomb employees ever talking about death threats. I figure they would at least joke about it if it ever happened.
I would imagine there's a lot of overlap on the venn diagram of people who have said, in utter seriousness, that casuals ruin gaming, and the GG people
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Deebs honestly, this is a moment when you need to step back and get some distance from your personal experiences. There are a host of differences between your situation and Anita Sarkeesian's, or Brianna Wu's, or any other person in the public eye you are scoffing at for taking the death threats they are receiving seriously. Honestly--I know you hate this word, but this is the point where you need to examine your privilege and the position you are arguing from. It is not a strong one.
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you found some twine sandals that worked well with the whole shipwrecked ensemble you got going
It sounds like you just digivolved. You deserve the accolades.
Yes, holy jesus Will yes
maybe not in [chat] where you are most comfortable but if you go over to G&T or in any D&D thread on gender issues, holy jesus fuck my eye christ is there a loud-ass contingent of some sexist-ass people on here
like jesus look upon some of the shit in this recent thread and fucking despair, Will
look at the reason it had to be taken out back and fucking shot
Every public figure, even ones with relatively tiny audiences get anonymous threats. It is a part of being in the public sphere. If you have a large audience it would be more of a story if you didn't get them.
yes
ive seen u will
oppressing away
So
You don't think it matters that she's getting tons of death threats or what? Or I guess just not a big deal.
I've, at times, felt that I should defend the gamer label or talk about how I'm a self-identified gamer that plays for several hours a day for fun, stress relief, etc.
But with all the vitriol and misogyny coming from certain gamer-affiliated parties it has made it easier to just kind of keep doing my own thing.
A younger me with more time to spare would probably be arguing on message boards about it.
I'm glad that's not me, now.
We should just use another word
i am going to make a bug alchemist. battlemage, barbarian and knight probably.
tons?
Could you provide the frequency and specificity? It's apparently important.
also, obvfiously, I support this [chat]
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We called it a loop in Dallas. Way better.
The polispheregrid.
Do gaters represent the majority of gamers? No. Objectively, no they do not. Is gaming culture, insofar as such a thing can be claimed to exist in the generic, sexist? Yes, and moreso than "in general" for the sort of background radiation sexism in modern culture.
broar bout to get in on the next battle
Infiltration?
These people are paranoid and delusional.
Who is Brianna Wu?
This branch is bullshit
I demand a LIGHTNING BONE
how's everybody's butt