From any outside perspective, Coulson is a rogue element of unpredictable nature and unknown motives. He is dangerous. He has claimed leadership of SHIELD through no one's authority but his own. You know he's a good guy because you watch ABC's Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Tuesday nights at 9/8 central.
I love how we expect our TV and movie heroes to be allowed to have little flaws like having alien blood, false memories, back from the dead.....yet when a politician in Real life makes a slip of the tongue, we remember it forever and brand them with a large invisible X.
Oh how I wish that were even remotely true.
Anyway. Y'all arguing about SHIELD's policy with regards to powered people might want to take a look at the latest episode. We pretty clearly see how they handle unknown powered people in that example
From any outside perspective, Coulson is a rogue element of unpredictable nature and unknown motives. He is dangerous. He has claimed leadership of SHIELD through no one's authority but his own.
The same description applies to Gonzales.
You know he's a good guy because you watch ABC's Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Tuesday nights at 9/8 central.
They had spies in his group, files and knew what they doing in season 2 - they weren't going in blind. This'd be expected from Talbot, he may be a dick but he is objective and working for superiors with legitimacy, and he's not half way there to starting the Friends of Humanity. Coulson never had a chance to defend himself from their "charges" and when he did it amounted to nada.
I love how we expect our TV and movie heroes to be allowed to have little flaws like having alien blood, false memories, back from the dead.....yet when a politician in Real life makes a slip of the tongue, we remember it forever and brand them with a large invisible X.
Oh how I wish that were even remotely true.
Anyway. Y'all arguing about SHIELD's policy with regards to powered people might want to take a look at the latest episode. We pretty clearly see how they handle unknown powered people in that example
A dangerous criminal who they couldn't convert, and what did Coulson do first? Had a friendly chat. Derp SHIELD knew who Skye was and wanted to put a bullet in her on sight.The only person who reached out to her was Bobbi, who was sabotaged when her own men trying to kill Skye. HYDRA's less trigger happy than these guys with Gifted.
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I love how we expect our TV and movie heroes to be allowed to have little flaws like having alien blood, false memories, back from the dead.....yet when a politician in Real life makes a slip of the tongue, we remember it forever and brand them with a large invisible X.
Coulson isn't running for office.
I'd vote for him.
Do term limits reset if you die and are reincarnated?
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Mike was an actual criminal, not just for doing tons of property damage, seriously hurting his boss, and kidnapping Skye but also for participating in an illegal experiment involving experimental drugs. It just happens that he was doing bad things to help his family.
We don't actually know much about the other bad powered people other than the fact that they did bad things. It's entirely possible that they also did bad things to survive. Creel used his powers to cheat in boxing but as shown in Daredevil, those fights were being run by the mob and the fighters were being threatened with death if they didn't do what the mob told them. Knife hand lady did hurt people other than her abusive boyfriend, they never said that she killed any of them, but how is that different than Mike hurting his boss? His boss wasn't abusing him or hurting him and Mike still hurt him badly.
Knife lady flat out slashed a security guards throat and didn't seem to miss a beat about it. I'd be surprised if she hadn't done it before given how stone-cold she was about it.
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Every time I hear "powered people" I can't help but think of the way "colored people" was used as a phrase.
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I actually liked how they use the term as a way of "othering" the people with powers. It's just kind of a very real world thing that humans do to other humans.
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it's anthropologically unjust
I actually liked how they use the term as a way of "othering" the people with powers. It's just kind of a very real world thing that humans do to other humansinhumans.
The allegory does break down due to the fact that powered people actually present a danger to others and themselves. As evidenced by the
little girl who couldn't control her powers and mind controlled a bunch of criminals and SHIELD agents.
Looked to me like
She could control her powers just fine. She just so happened to be a child, and a child with that kind of power is inevitably going to use it to be an asshole.
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I am with Harry, the whole DerpShield angle makes no sense.
:"He was keeping secrets!"
From a cell of SHIELD no one knew existed until now?
"We're the real SHIELD"
No, we're the real SHIELD
This is just clownshoes.
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The allegory does break down due to the fact that powered people actually present a danger to others and themselves. As evidenced by the
little girl who couldn't control her powers and mind controlled a bunch of criminals and SHIELD agents.
Looked to me like
She could control her powers just fine. She just so happened to be a child, and a child with that kind of power is inevitably going to use it to be an asshole.
Well a plot point was that she went nutbar after terrigenesis
I actually liked how they use the term as a way of "othering" the people with powers. It's just kind of a very real world thing that humans do to other humans.
That leads into the interesting-to-me choice of casting that has Skye, Mike and Raina as the most prominant people of powers on the show.
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I am with Harry, the whole DerpShield angle makes no sense.
:"He was keeping secrets!"
From a cell of SHIELD no one knew existed until now?
"We're the real SHIELD"
No, we're the real SHIELD
This is just clownshoes.
That's a gross misrepresentation.
NuSHIELD is new to the audience, not the characters. Coulson knew of Gonzales, we met the British lady in season 1 as the head of the SHIELD science academy, etc. After the Hydra reveal, they laid low, not knowing what SHIELD people remaining were not compromised. It's pretty clear that Gonzales sent Bobbi and Mack to Coulson to determine if he could be trusted before revealing his team. Remember: Gonzales' cell was in just as precarious a position as Coulson's after things went down. More so, really. Yeah, they have a carrier, but none of the resources Fury left Coulson - the safehouses, Koenig-filled secondary and tertiary bases, the old SSR base, Fury's black box, etc. The only advantage they have is their secrecy.
Moreover, Coulson just assumed command of SHIELD. We know Fury gave him the keys, but no one else does since Fury is supposed to be dead. From the outside it looks like a power grab.
So Gonzales waited, and the reports mixed with their own intel reveal Coulson acting as shifty as Fury after being resurrected by alien blood. Which gave him visions that compelled him to find a buried alien city that killed one SHIELD member and gave destructive powers to another. And he's leading a SHIELD cell with more resources than Gonzales', and apparently building a separate base for supers. So, Gonzales attempted to take him off the board, which was a bold, calculated risk.
It's all mostly reasonable. When you've been betrayed by former comrades you don't ask to join the next batch that comes along. You wait and watch and figure out if they can be trusted. Yeah, the real SHIELD dialogue is awkward, but everything else is fine, IMO. And let's not forget that Coulson's chafing against Fury's secrets was a prominent theme last season. There's a nice bit of irony with him falling into that kind of behavior himself.
What I find interesting as a former BSG fan is how Gonzales is more or less AoS' Admiral Cain, the new external and questionably legit figure of authority who wants to run things. Someone who's stern and uncompromising, perhaps to the point of being eliminated because they were on the wrong side of history.
But the problem is that they haven't done a good job of presenting Boat SHIELD's side. The fact that they're going against the protagonists of the show already makes them a tough sell. It doesn't help that they haven't really shown Boat SHIELD as being particularly trustworthy, especially with the ornery one trying to kill Skye, or any more qualified/competent than Coulson in how they plan to deal with powered people, what with Coulson's team being the ones who brought in the powered people Hydra freed while Boat SHIELD was nowhere to be seen.
NuSHIELD treated Coulson's team as some kind of half-HYDRA Half-SHIELD cell. Which is dumb and pure TV plot. They didn't manufacture a good enough reason for the main assault on Coulson's team they pulled off and then they're dumb enough to trust the assaultees a bit after. They started with some valid suspicions and jumped right to the mini-nuclear option then went "It's for your own good, really! Wanna be friends?".
a supposedly more open SHIELD, but has taken actions that run at odds with those goals (his treatment of Coulson, his general handling of Coulson's team... I wouldn't be surprised if he ordered the dude from the first Darkness game to kill Skye), to the point where it's obvious Bobbi is having reservations. And I believe that's intentional rather than a flaw in the writing. There's a deliberate sinister undercurrent to the council and their behavior. The disjunction between their stated cause and how they act in getting there is entirely the point. They're hypocrites. Gonzales has used his cult of personality that his vision of SHIELD is the only pure one as a way to justify the means. And if the briefing room scenes are any indication, he's stacked his council with those loyal to him (the Darkness guy) and people he can persuade (science lady). And he's trying to do the same to May.
Like I said, it's very reminiscent of the Admiral Cain arc on BSG.
Also note that they're in a position where they're forced to trust Simmons since they don't have anyone of her caliber. And they most assuredly didn't trust Skye. Or Coulson. And they tailed Fitz. May is the biggest wild card.
I am with Harry, the whole DerpShield angle makes no sense.
:"He was keeping secrets!"
From a cell of SHIELD no one knew existed until now?
"We're the real SHIELD"
No, we're the real SHIELD
This is just clownshoes.
That's a gross misrepresentation.
NuSHIELD is new to the audience, not the characters. Coulson knew of Gonzales, we met the British lady in season 1 as the head of the SHIELD science academy, etc. After the Hydra reveal, they laid low, not knowing what SHIELD people remaining were not compromised. It's pretty clear that Gonzales sent Bobbi and Mack to Coulson to determine if he could be trusted before revealing his team. Remember: Gonzales' cell was in just as precarious a position as Coulson's after things went down. More so, really. Yeah, they have a carrier, but none of the resources Fury left Coulson - the safehouses, Koenig-filled secondary and tertiary bases, the old SSR base, Fury's black box, etc. The only advantage they have is their secrecy.
Moreover, Coulson just assumed command of SHIELD. We know Fury gave him the keys, but no one else does since Fury is supposed to be dead. From the outside it looks like a power grab.
So Gonzales waited, and the reports mixed with their own intel reveal Coulson acting as shifty as Fury after being resurrected by alien blood. Which gave him visions that compelled him to find a buried alien city that killed one SHIELD member and gave destructive powers to another. And he's leading a SHIELD cell with more resources than Gonzales', and apparently building a separate base for supers. So, Gonzales attempted to take him off the board, which was a bold, calculated risk.
It's all mostly reasonable. When you've been betrayed by former comrades you don't ask to join the next batch that comes along. You wait and watch and figure out if they can be trusted. Yeah, the real SHIELD dialogue is awkward, but everything else is fine, IMO. And let's not forget that Coulson's chafing against Fury's secrets was a prominent theme last season. There's a nice bit of irony with him falling into that kind of behavior himself.
What I find interesting as a former BSG fan is how Gonzales is more or less AoS' Admiral Cain, the new external and questionably legit figure of authority who wants to run things. Someone who's stern and uncompromising, perhaps to the point of being eliminated because they were on the wrong side of history.
Both sides have valid points, and Coulson has certainly made missteps. Ultimately, I think this is a conflict between the old guard and the new. For all their talk of openness, Gonzales' crew represents the old way of doing things.
They are insular (focusing their efforts on securing SHIELD facilities and rebuilding old networks) while Coulson is focused on what he, and really only he, knows is coming. They are focused on fighting Hydra as their mission. Coulson sees Hydra as an obstacle to be eliminated, but fighting them is not his ultimate goal.
It can get lost in everything else, but Coulson was THE superhuman specialist at SHIELD. He knows more about the scope of the universe and the nature of the coming threats than anyone else on the planet except maybe Fury. And since he's a secret agent, he's never clearly laid out to his team, or the audience really, what his SHIELD's ultimate goal is.
Coulson knows what the audience knows - the Earth is a new player in a universe full of hostile superhumans, aliens, gods and other threats. Building teams of superhuman SHIELD agents isn't a debatable goal to him. It's the only way that SHIELD is going to remain a player in the coming conflicts. Gonzales and crew still see them as isolated problems to be dealt with, and Coulson knows that events have gone way beyond that approach.
That's where the Inhumans come into the story. The existence of an entire society of powerful superhumans proves Coulson's point. Both SHIELDs working together with the U.S. Army couldn't just put the Inhumans on a list and forbid them from using powers. Some of this is outside comics knowledge about their nature and rulers, but they represent an entire nation that's scary enough that an intergalactic empire is seriously worried about them.
The world has gotten bigger, and RealSHIELD hasn't kept up. That, more than anything, goes a long way to explain why Coulson is willing to go to extremes to make sure they don't come out on top of this fight.
I love how we expect our TV and movie heroes to be allowed to have little flaws like having alien blood, false memories, back from the dead.....yet when a politician in Real life makes a slip of the tongue, we remember it forever and brand them with a large invisible X.
Coulson isn't running for office.
I'd vote for him.
Do term limits reset if you die and are reincarnated?
This is one group deciding their council of super friends is better than someone else's after the group was officially dissolved.
Yup, and I think that's the biggest misstep of the whole thing. Gonzales should be of higher rank than freshly resurrected Coulson. Which would play nicely into him not recognizing Coulson's claim as director.
This is one group deciding their council of super friends is better than someone else's after the group was officially dissolved.
Yup, and I think that's the biggest misstep of the whole thing. Gonzales should be of higher rank than freshly resurrected Coulson. Which would play nicely into him not recognizing Coulson's claim as director.
Even then how much does that work if it's officially been disbanded?
You know something I really want to see in a SHIELD episode soon - the team go up against a supernatural/horror threat. Probably wouldn't fit in this season, but they need to open that box sometime before Dr. Strange comes out.
I still want to know how much interaction with the government Boat Shield has had. That's the big plothole for me, unless I totally missed it being mentioned. Did they get cleared by Talbot? If so, he should've put the two groups together. Have they completely avoided any government interaction? Virtually impossible.
I still want to know how much interaction with the government Boat Shield has had. That's the big plothole for me, unless I totally missed it being mentioned. Did they get cleared by Talbot? If so, he should've put the two groups together. Have they completely avoided any government interaction? Virtually impossible.
Not necessarily. I'm still expecting a reveal that the carrier is a helicarrier, which would mean that it has cloaking abilities and probably Stark's perpetual motion reactors. They quite literally could have spent the time since Captain America 2 sneaking around in the air and ocean.
The only reason Talbot knows about Coulson is that Coulson hasn't been keeping under the radar. If all Coulson had done was to hide in one of his secret bases for months, Talbot would have lost track of him too.
I still want to know how much interaction with the government Boat Shield has had. That's the big plothole for me, unless I totally missed it being mentioned. Did they get cleared by Talbot? If so, he should've put the two groups together. Have they completely avoided any government interaction? Virtually impossible.
Not necessarily. I'm still expecting a reveal that the carrier is a helicarrier, which would mean that it has cloaking abilities and probably Stark's perpetual motion reactors. They quite literally could have spent the time since Captain America 2 sneaking around in the air and ocean.
The only reason Talbot knows about Coulson is that Coulson hasn't been keeping under the radar. If all Coulson had done was to hide in one of his secret bases for months, Talbot would have lost track of him too.
If it's a helicarrier, all the more reason to believe they haven't been able to avoid government. An Aircraft carrier is expensive. A helicarrier even moreso.
.... oh wait, Nick Fury.
OK, actually there's a 95% chance Fury had this carrier off books because of its cargo. Even if someone tried to do an inventory of Shield's assets after Cap 2, they probably wouldn't have known to look for this. Maria Hill might, but she might also have assumed/been told it was scuttled.
A friend of mine has pointed out one that I don't think I've seen used in this thread yet;
Olmost SHIELD.
yeah someone posted it a while ago and while I really like it, for some reason no one else does.
It's really annoying going back and forth between realSHIELD/nuSHIELD/Gonzales' SHIELD/otherSHIELD and I wasn't going to go in and add a new one to the argument.
A friend of mine has pointed out one that I don't think I've seen used in this thread yet;
Olmost SHIELD.
yeah someone posted it a while ago and while I really like it, for some reason no one else does.
It's really annoying going back and forth between realSHIELD/nuSHIELD/Gonzales' SHIELD/otherSHIELD and I wasn't going to go in and add a new one to the argument.
Hopefully they explain what happened to the first Helicarrier, is it sitting in a drydock, was it captured by Hyrda, destroyed, sold to a used car dealer?
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You know something I really want to see in a SHIELD episode soon - the team go up against a supernatural/horror threat. Probably wouldn't fit in this season, but they need to open that box sometime before Dr. Strange comes out.
You know something I really want to see in a SHIELD episode soon - the team go up against a supernatural/horror threat. Probably wouldn't fit in this season, but they need to open that box sometime before Dr. Strange comes out.
Um, I guess the flashback doesn't count?
Creepy ass girl.
Yeah. She fits, although she's not the first creepy powered human.
I'm thinking more along the lines of "Holy shit, I think that dudes a vampire/werewolf/wizard! What the fuck do we do now?"
Hopefully they explain what happened to the first Helicarrier, is it sitting in a drydock, was it captured by Hyrda, destroyed, sold to a used car dealer?
They probably scrapped it due to damage and project insight replacing it.
A friend of mine has pointed out one that I don't think I've seen used in this thread yet;
Olmost SHIELD.
yeah someone posted it a while ago and while I really like it, for some reason no one else does.
It's really annoying going back and forth between realSHIELD/nuSHIELD/Gonzales' SHIELD/otherSHIELD and I wasn't going to go in and add a new one to the argument.
SHREALD. You know you want to use it.
Dammit, you made me swallow my last tic-tac.
Oh, man, and it's just sorta loitering in my esophagus, not really going anywhere.
This is gonna be a real problem for like ten minutes.
A friend of mine has pointed out one that I don't think I've seen used in this thread yet;
Olmost SHIELD.
yeah someone posted it a while ago and while I really like it, for some reason no one else does.
It's really annoying going back and forth between realSHIELD/nuSHIELD/Gonzales' SHIELD/otherSHIELD and I wasn't going to go in and add a new one to the argument.
SHREALD. You know you want to use it.
I like BullSHIELD, because they are full of it.
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I would totally be down for an episode of SHIELD where they investigate what appears to be, based on everything they're seeing, vampires.
But leave it ambiguous enough at the end that it could be rationalized away. Barely.
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Oh how I wish that were even remotely true.
Anyway. Y'all arguing about SHIELD's policy with regards to powered people might want to take a look at the latest episode. We pretty clearly see how they handle unknown powered people in that example
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The same description applies to Gonzales.
They had spies in his group, files and knew what they doing in season 2 - they weren't going in blind. This'd be expected from Talbot, he may be a dick but he is objective and working for superiors with legitimacy, and he's not half way there to starting the Friends of Humanity. Coulson never had a chance to defend himself from their "charges" and when he did it amounted to nada.
I'd vote for him.
Do term limits reset if you die and are reincarnated?
Knife lady flat out slashed a security guards throat and didn't seem to miss a beat about it. I'd be surprised if she hadn't done it before given how stone-cold she was about it.
Given the context, that's kind of the point.
Looked to me like
:"He was keeping secrets!"
From a cell of SHIELD no one knew existed until now?
"We're the real SHIELD"
No, we're the real SHIELD
This is just clownshoes.
That leads into the interesting-to-me choice of casting that has Skye, Mike and Raina as the most prominant people of powers on the show.
That's a gross misrepresentation.
Moreover, Coulson just assumed command of SHIELD. We know Fury gave him the keys, but no one else does since Fury is supposed to be dead. From the outside it looks like a power grab.
So Gonzales waited, and the reports mixed with their own intel reveal Coulson acting as shifty as Fury after being resurrected by alien blood. Which gave him visions that compelled him to find a buried alien city that killed one SHIELD member and gave destructive powers to another. And he's leading a SHIELD cell with more resources than Gonzales', and apparently building a separate base for supers. So, Gonzales attempted to take him off the board, which was a bold, calculated risk.
It's all mostly reasonable. When you've been betrayed by former comrades you don't ask to join the next batch that comes along. You wait and watch and figure out if they can be trusted. Yeah, the real SHIELD dialogue is awkward, but everything else is fine, IMO. And let's not forget that Coulson's chafing against Fury's secrets was a prominent theme last season. There's a nice bit of irony with him falling into that kind of behavior himself.
What I find interesting as a former BSG fan is how Gonzales is more or less AoS' Admiral Cain, the new external and questionably legit figure of authority who wants to run things. Someone who's stern and uncompromising, perhaps to the point of being eliminated because they were on the wrong side of history.
AAannnd, beated!
Like I said, it's very reminiscent of the Admiral Cain arc on BSG.
Also note that they're in a position where they're forced to trust Simmons since they don't have anyone of her caliber. And they most assuredly didn't trust Skye. Or Coulson. And they tailed Fitz. May is the biggest wild card.
This is one group deciding their council of super friends is better than someone else's after the group was officially dissolved.
Of course you would say that, @KingofMadCows.
They are insular (focusing their efforts on securing SHIELD facilities and rebuilding old networks) while Coulson is focused on what he, and really only he, knows is coming. They are focused on fighting Hydra as their mission. Coulson sees Hydra as an obstacle to be eliminated, but fighting them is not his ultimate goal.
It can get lost in everything else, but Coulson was THE superhuman specialist at SHIELD. He knows more about the scope of the universe and the nature of the coming threats than anyone else on the planet except maybe Fury. And since he's a secret agent, he's never clearly laid out to his team, or the audience really, what his SHIELD's ultimate goal is.
Coulson knows what the audience knows - the Earth is a new player in a universe full of hostile superhumans, aliens, gods and other threats. Building teams of superhuman SHIELD agents isn't a debatable goal to him. It's the only way that SHIELD is going to remain a player in the coming conflicts. Gonzales and crew still see them as isolated problems to be dealt with, and Coulson knows that events have gone way beyond that approach.
That's where the Inhumans come into the story. The existence of an entire society of powerful superhumans proves Coulson's point. Both SHIELDs working together with the U.S. Army couldn't just put the Inhumans on a list and forbid them from using powers. Some of this is outside comics knowledge about their nature and rulers, but they represent an entire nation that's scary enough that an intergalactic empire is seriously worried about them.
The world has gotten bigger, and RealSHIELD hasn't kept up. That, more than anything, goes a long way to explain why Coulson is willing to go to extremes to make sure they don't come out on top of this fight.
A friend of mine has pointed out one that I don't think I've seen used in this thread yet;
Olmost SHIELD.
Yup, and I think that's the biggest misstep of the whole thing. Gonzales should be of higher rank than freshly resurrected Coulson. Which would play nicely into him not recognizing Coulson's claim as director.
Even then how much does that work if it's officially been disbanded?
Not necessarily. I'm still expecting a reveal that the carrier is a helicarrier, which would mean that it has cloaking abilities and probably Stark's perpetual motion reactors. They quite literally could have spent the time since Captain America 2 sneaking around in the air and ocean.
The only reason Talbot knows about Coulson is that Coulson hasn't been keeping under the radar. If all Coulson had done was to hide in one of his secret bases for months, Talbot would have lost track of him too.
If it's a helicarrier, all the more reason to believe they haven't been able to avoid government. An Aircraft carrier is expensive. A helicarrier even moreso.
.... oh wait, Nick Fury.
OK, actually there's a 95% chance Fury had this carrier off books because of its cargo. Even if someone tried to do an inventory of Shield's assets after Cap 2, they probably wouldn't have known to look for this. Maria Hill might, but she might also have assumed/been told it was scuttled.
yeah someone posted it a while ago and while I really like it, for some reason no one else does.
It's really annoying going back and forth between realSHIELD/nuSHIELD/Gonzales' SHIELD/otherSHIELD and I wasn't going to go in and add a new one to the argument.
SHREALD. You know you want to use it.
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Um, I guess the flashback doesn't count?
Creepy ass girl.
Yeah. She fits, although she's not the first creepy powered human.
I'm thinking more along the lines of "Holy shit, I think that dudes a vampire/werewolf/wizard! What the fuck do we do now?"
Then Blade shows up.
They probably scrapped it due to damage and project insight replacing it.
Dammit, you made me swallow my last tic-tac.
Oh, man, and it's just sorta loitering in my esophagus, not really going anywhere.
This is gonna be a real problem for like ten minutes.
Good nickname, though.
I like BullSHIELD, because they are full of it.
But leave it ambiguous enough at the end that it could be rationalized away. Barely.