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[Agents of SHIELD] Age of Inhumans

Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
edited March 2015 in Debate and/or Discourse
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AoS had an awkward first season that went bonkers when Hydra was revealed in Winter Soldier. Nothing's been the same since. SHIELD has been dismantled by the government and labeled a terrorist organization. Fury has tasked Coulson with reforming SHIELD from the ground up. Oh yeah, he was resurrected and might be going crazy.

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Phil Coulson (Clark Gregg): Murdered by Loki and resurrected by unknown methods involved aliens. He's the new director, appointed by Nick Fury himself. Don't fuck with his team or he will end you, politely.

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Melinda May (Ming-Na Wen): Coulson's second. Stoic, Skye's new SO, a SHIELD elite veteran who says little and packs a big punch.

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Skye (Chloe Bennet): She's grown up from season 1, no longer a naive hacker she's a SHIELD agent. The last one who got promoted before SHIELD shut down. Has a mysterious past
and possibly alien heritage.

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Fitz (Iain De Caestecker): Coulson's technological genius who suffered brain damage when Ward attempted to kill him in season 1. Needs a helper monkey.

Simmons (Elizabeth Henstridge): Genius biologist who left to
infiltrate HYDRA.
And Fitz has another Simmons in his head. Everyone has a crush on her, including Fitz's helper monkey.

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Grant Ward (Brett Dalton): A spy sent by Hydra to infiltrate Coulson's unit. Now he's in their custody. Has a creepy crush on Skye. She called you a Nazi, dude, let it go.

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Antoine Triplett (BJ Britt): Was Garrett's protege, like Ward - except he's not evil. Intelligent, stylish, has the skills to match Ward in combat and his grandfather was in the Howling Commandos.

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Lance Hunter (Nick Blood): The actor's name is Nick Blood. British merc with a shady past, womanizer and hasn't gotten over his ex
Bobbi Morse.
Kind of a dick.

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Bobbi Morse (Adrianne Palicki): The newest addition to the cast.
Worked undercover for Coulson in Hydra to protect Simmons as their head of security.
Very capable, an elite SHIELD operative that's in May's league, a one woman army if there ever was one.

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Al "Mac" MacKenzie (Henry Simmons): SHIELD's new mechanic, loves technology, enjoys taunting Hunter about his ex and filled in for Simmons to help Fitz with his difficulties adjusting.

edit: SPOILERS - previous episodes won't be spoiled, latest episodes will be.

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    BigWillieStylesBigWillieStyles Expert flipper of tables Inside my mind...Registered User regular
    The old thread got locked?

    OK... I want some small name Marvel villains to show up. Hell, when is Graviton gonna really show up?

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    The old thread got locked?

    It's about to. It's on page 99.
    OK... I want some small name Marvel villains to show up. Hell, when is Graviton gonna really show up?

    Good question. I expect him to show up in season 2, probably the latter half - or the cliffhanger for the first part.

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    BigWillieStylesBigWillieStyles Expert flipper of tables Inside my mind...Registered User regular
    The old thread got locked?

    It's about to. It's on page 99.
    OK... I want some small name Marvel villains to show up. Hell, when is Graviton gonna really show up?

    Good question. I expect him to show up in season 2, probably the latter half - or the cliffhanger for the first part.
    His would be a good cliffhanger. Also, a good excuse for some of the movie heroes to show up. His powers are kind of ridiculously powerful for such a low-level villain. He controls gravity itself. He could alter the planet's gravity and rotation and a bunch of other stuff. Have Hulk smash him right in the mouth or something.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    You can pretty easily scale a character's powers down

    In the show the globe was able to reverse gravity in like a single room. Give him that kind of power level and he'd be a fun show villain.

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    surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    where are cloak and dagger

    THE TRUE POWER BEHIND THE MARVEL THRONE

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    NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    OP needs more Mac.

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    QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    where are cloak and dagger

    THE TRUE POWER BEHIND THE MARVEL THRONE

    You and me bro

    Tastes in fictional characters are like this

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    skeldareskeldare Gresham, ORRegistered User regular
    Nightslyr wrote: »
    OP needs more Mac.

    Needs more Mac and Fitz together

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    Wraith260Wraith260 Happiest Goomba! Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    more Fitz ogling Mac you mean. :P

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    skeldareskeldare Gresham, ORRegistered User regular
    Wraith260 wrote: »
    more Fitz ogling Mac you mean. :P

    Well, that was implied

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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    Thomas Jane as Punisher, since they'll never actually do it properly again.

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    WinkyWinky rRegistered User regular
    Just started watching the second season and holy shit did this show get good

    I love everything they've done with Fitz and Simmons (and Mac)

    and Ward

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    AutomaticzenAutomaticzen Registered User regular
    I like how even Head Simmons like black dudes.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    jdarksun wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be Agents of Clark Gregg?

    Not as cool sounding.

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    LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    Edit: nevermind

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    BigWillieStylesBigWillieStyles Expert flipper of tables Inside my mind...Registered User regular
    jdarksun wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be Agents of Clark Gregg?
    S.H.I.E.L.D. is just not an official government organization anymore. Basically, they've gone private sector.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    jdarksun wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be Agents of Clark Gregg?
    S.H.I.E.L.D. is just not an official government organization anymore. Basically, they've gone private sector.

    Maria Hill's faction has gone private sector, there's a faction that's looking out for its own ends since they're out of a job and looking for a paycheck* and then there's Coulson's - whose operating his new SHIELD like freedom fighters.

    * hello new Hydra recruits

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    BigWillieStylesBigWillieStyles Expert flipper of tables Inside my mind...Registered User regular
    Maria Hill's faction has gone private sector, there's a faction that's looking out for its own ends since they're out of a job and looking for a paycheck* and then there's Coulson's - whose operating his new SHIELD like freedom fighters.

    * hello new Hydra recruits
    No, S.H.I.E.L.D. run by Coulson is private sector. They're being actively hunted down by the federal government. They're getting money, I imagine, from somewhere (which I'd love them to discuss sometime,) but it's not from the federal government. It's not like they're selling off assets. Somebody would notice that.

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    ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    edited October 2014
    There's a difference between "private sector" and "criminal organization".

    Granted, the line is pretty thin these days.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    Maria Hill's faction has gone private sector, there's a faction that's looking out for its own ends since they're out of a job and looking for a paycheck* and then there's Coulson's - whose operating his new SHIELD like freedom fighters.

    * hello new Hydra recruits
    No, S.H.I.E.L.D. run by Coulson is private sector. They're being actively hunted down by the federal government. They're getting money, I imagine, from somewhere (which I'd love them to discuss sometime,) but it's not from the federal government. It's not like they're selling off assets. Somebody would notice that.

    We don't know where they're getting the money from. If it was from the private sector we'd have known it by now, they'd have someone either in the supporting cast that is in a corporation or a mole in a corporation - neither have appeared. We do know they steal shit from people when they need to, from anybody. So I suspect they're doing that to Hydra regularly, but that's a theory.

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    hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    Shadowen wrote: »
    There's a difference between "private sector" and "criminal organization".

    Granted, the line is pretty thin these days.

    As per the Policing thread.

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    SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    I could see Tony funding them, or Hill funneling a bit to them.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Sorce wrote: »
    I could see Tony funding them, or Hill funneling a bit to them.

    That would have been my first guess, unfortunately we have no reason to think that's what happening. Maria Hill would have had a cameo by now, or mentioned or something.

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    DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    Sorce wrote: »
    I could see Tony funding them, or Hill funneling a bit to them.

    That would have been my first guess, unfortunately we have no reason to think that's what happening. Maria Hill would have had a cameo by now, or mentioned or something.

    She did! There was one in the first season.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Dedwrekka wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    I could see Tony funding them, or Hill funneling a bit to them.

    That would have been my first guess, unfortunately we have no reason to think that's what happening. Maria Hill would have had a cameo by now, or mentioned or something.

    She did! There was one in the first season.

    You know what I mean. :)

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    Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Registered User regular
    If Tony was funding them, he'd kind of need to know who the Director is.

    On the other hand:

    1) Pepper is running the company.
    2) I could see her both covertly funding SHIELD and keeping Coulson's existence secret.
    3) Most importantly, Gwyneth doesn't seem opposed to doing TV.

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    JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited October 2014
    I assume a temporary funding source - lines of credit, names of friendly contacts to tap for funds, assets like blackmail info - came as part of Fury's Do-It-Yourself Black Ops Renegade kit.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    I assume a temporary funding source - lines of credit, names of friendly contacts to tap for funds, assets like blackmail info - came as part of Fury's Do-It-Yourself Black Ops Renegade kit.

    I can only assume he;d have millions stashed away all over the place

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    I assumed SHIELD is funded by off the books accounts Fury set up

    I mean he set all these secret bases up in case they needed places to operate from, presumably he set up funding too

    even if not, they have the world's best hacker and top tier special operations guys, if they're ever low on cash they can just knock over a drug kingpin or something. Sctually an episode about just that would be pretty sweet

    It seems like there are a lot of factions and individuals in play who could help Coulson but aren't, I would imagine if they get future success it'd be pretty easy to PLOT up some reinforcements and assets. One high profile operation saving DC from getting blown up by a HYDRA superlaser or something would probably see them flush with trustworthy old SHIELD who have avoided Coulson because they just want to keep existing. (or think working for government or private sector is better)

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    hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    I assumed SHIELD is funded by off the books accounts Fury set up

    I mean he set all these secret bases up in case they needed places to operate from, presumably he set up funding too

    even if not, they have the world's best hacker and top tier special operations guys, if they're ever low on cash they can just knock over a drug kingpin or something

    actually an episode about just that would be pretty sweet

    Okay, honestly, I know that SHIELD and Fury are the good guys, but if we were to decontextualize this, this would be some serious sketchy embezzlement / coup-planning stuff here. It's not presented, but I could imagine how the US government (and Talbot) see it. "You're secreting away a ton of the money to various mystery sources, and then using it to buy secret military equipment to stock in secret bases somewhere? Oh yeah, sure, no problem!"

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    LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    I assume a temporary funding source - lines of credit, names of friendly contacts to tap for funds, assets like blackmail info - came as part of Fury's Do-It-Yourself Black Ops Renegade kit.

    I can only assume he;d have millions stashed away all over the place

    This is pretty much the assumption I've been making. The black box had info on all of the money that Fury had been hiding away for a rainy day.
    I assumed SHIELD is funded by off the books accounts Fury set up

    I mean he set all these secret bases up in case they needed places to operate from, presumably he set up funding too

    even if not, they have the world's best hacker and top tier special operations guys, if they're ever low on cash they can just knock over a drug kingpin or something. Sctually an episode about just that would be pretty sweet

    It seems like there are a lot of factions and individuals in play who could help Coulson but aren't, I would imagine if they get future success it'd be pretty easy to PLOT up some reinforcements and assets. One high profile operation saving DC from getting blown up by a HYDRA superlaser or something would probably see them flush with trustworthy old SHIELD who have avoided Coulson because they just want to keep existing. (or think working for government or private sector is better)

    I think it was Nikita that had an episode or two where they did this, it was pretty great and I wouldn't mind seeing shield do it as well.

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    hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    LostNinja wrote: »
    I assumed SHIELD is funded by off the books accounts Fury set up

    I mean he set all these secret bases up in case they needed places to operate from, presumably he set up funding too

    even if not, they have the world's best hacker and top tier special operations guys, if they're ever low on cash they can just knock over a drug kingpin or something. Sctually an episode about just that would be pretty sweet

    It seems like there are a lot of factions and individuals in play who could help Coulson but aren't, I would imagine if they get future success it'd be pretty easy to PLOT up some reinforcements and assets. One high profile operation saving DC from getting blown up by a HYDRA superlaser or something would probably see them flush with trustworthy old SHIELD who have avoided Coulson because they just want to keep existing. (or think working for government or private sector is better)

    I think it was Nikita that had an episode or two where they did this, it was pretty great and I wouldn't mind seeing shield do it as well.

    Person of Interest literally did this like 2 weeks ago.

    (You should watch Person of Interest, is what I'm saying.)

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    I think it was Nikita that had an episode or two where they did this, it was pretty great and I wouldn't mind seeing shield do it as well.

    Speaking of Nikita Lyndsy Fonseca has joined Agent Carter.

    http://variety.com/2014/tv/news/lyndsy-fonseca-agent-carter-1201338418/

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    KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    Coulson can't really trust anyone willing to fund SHIELD since there could always be ulterior motives involved.

    It would have been nice if they had fleshed out the internal workings of SHIELD and the politics behind them in the first season. They must have had to deal with things like countries backing SHIELD wanting to use SHIELD for their own political agenda or access to SHIELD's tech. They would have also had to deal with private contractors getting access to their tech. Then they could have had some of those issues having a bigger impact this season. Smaller backer countries that weren't given access to a lot of SHIELD tech may be willing to fund Coulson's SHIELD in the hopes of gaining access to what they have. Private contractors employed by SHIELD trying to fill in the power vacuum to get themselves established. Coulson has to play the PR game if he has any hopes of legitimizing SHIELD and making it an effective force in protecting the world.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    hippofant wrote: »
    I assumed SHIELD is funded by off the books accounts Fury set up

    I mean he set all these secret bases up in case they needed places to operate from, presumably he set up funding too

    even if not, they have the world's best hacker and top tier special operations guys, if they're ever low on cash they can just knock over a drug kingpin or something

    actually an episode about just that would be pretty sweet

    Okay, honestly, I know that SHIELD and Fury are the good guys, but if we were to decontextualize this, this would be some serious sketchy embezzlement / coup-planning stuff here. It's not presented, but I could imagine how the US government (and Talbot) see it. "You're secreting away a ton of the money to various mystery sources, and then using it to buy secret military equipment to stock in secret bases somewhere? Oh yeah, sure, no problem!"

    well I mean, yea

    Fury's bases are pretty sketchy

    he had these built off the books and not in any SHIELD records, paid for by various taxpayers, and nobody knew about them

    I mean in Cap2 he hired mercenaries through a dozen shell corporations with embezzled money to test his theory about there being something fishy going on in SHIELD

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    KalnaurKalnaur I See Rain . . . Centralia, WARegistered User regular
    I assumed SHIELD is funded by off the books accounts Fury set up

    I mean he set all these secret bases up in case they needed places to operate from, presumably he set up funding too.

    Why does this make me think of Bruce Wayne? I mean, just from those two perspectives. And the overarching "just in case" kind of guy . . .

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    PonyPony Registered User regular
    yeah Nick Fury is morally shifty as fuck

    which is why in Winter Soldier when Fury is like "No, we can save SHIELD from Hydra!" and Cap is like "What? No, you are part of the problem."

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    hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    edited October 2014
    Pony wrote: »
    yeah Nick Fury is morally shifty as fuck

    which is why in Winter Soldier when Fury is like "No, we can save SHIELD from Hydra!" and Cap is like "What? No, you are part of the problem."

    It's as though they're foreshadowing a polite conflict in the near future.

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    yeah Nick Fury is morally shifty as fuck

    which is why in Winter Soldier when Fury is like "No, we can save SHIELD from Hydra!" and Cap is like "What? No, you are part of the problem."

    Fury basically doesn't play well with others.

    He's most certainly a good guy, but that's basically by virtue of him believing that - not as a result of any particular belief that he should obey the rules.

    Which...kind of works? I mean in a world with superheroes who could destroy cities if they just decided to, you can very much argue that it's the only way to live.

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