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  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    Well, yes, because it's a story about a girl with magic powers.

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    Well, yes, because it's a story about a girl with magic powers.

    Yes, and Disney has a long enough history making films where women only have agency or importance if something magical happens to them.

    Atomika on
  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    It's a macguffin that happens to be a person, that's not an unknown plot in fiction. Being special by itself isn't a bad plot, Mr. Sinister does that for the Summers Family. For her it's not any different since she didn't have a choice, her powers were thrust upon her by an outside force - who was her
    stepmother/kidnapper.

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    It's a macguffin that happens to be a person, that's not an unknown plot in fiction. Being special by itself isn't a bad plot, Mr. Sinister does that for the Summers Family. For her it's not any different since she didn't have a choice, her powers were thrust upon her by an outside force - who was her
    stepmother/kidnapper.

    Again, I'm not examining this film as a singular instance.

    Lots of things hold up under the caveat of being within a vacuum.

  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    The Golden Child does dick but not eat the entire film! As said, you can make anything into a problem if you want.

  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    Atomika wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    Well, yes, because it's a story about a girl with magic powers.

    Yes, and Disney has a long enough history making films where women only have agency or importance if something magical happens to them.

    Well, yes, because those stories tend to be about something magical happening to an otherwise downtrodden person.

    reVerse on
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    Well, yes, because it's a story about a girl with magic powers.

    Yes, and Disney has a long enough history making films where women only have agency or importance if something magical happens to them.

    Well, yes, because those stories tend to be about something magical happening to an otherwise downtrodden person.

    No they don't. They are usually princesses.

  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    Well, yes, because it's a story about a girl with magic powers.

    Yes, and Disney has a long enough history making films where women only have agency or importance if something magical happens to them.

    Well, yes, because those stories tend to be about something magical happening to an otherwise downtrodden person.

    No they don't. They are usually princesses.

    Whether you're of royal blood or not doesn't matter when you're trapped in a tower.

    edit: Like, there's the sleeping beauty, who is cursed; Snow White, who is the target of an assassination; and Frozen, who has uncontrollable freezing powers. While not literally downtrodden, they got probs.

    reVerse on
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    Well, yes, because it's a story about a girl with magic powers.

    Yes, and Disney has a long enough history making films where women only have agency or importance if something magical happens to them.

    Well, yes, because those stories tend to be about something magical happening to an otherwise downtrodden person.

    No they don't. They are usually princesses.

    Whether you're of royal blood or not doesn't matter when you're trapped in a tower.

    It does. Because it makes you special.

  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    Well, yes, because it's a story about a girl with magic powers.

    Yes, and Disney has a long enough history making films where women only have agency or importance if something magical happens to them.

    Well, yes, because those stories tend to be about something magical happening to an otherwise downtrodden person.

    No they don't. They are usually princesses.

    Whether you're of royal blood or not doesn't matter when you're trapped in a tower.

    It does. Because it makes you special.

    And most stories are about special people because normal people are boring.

  • CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The four films, btw, are Frozen, Princess and the Frog, Tangled, and Brave. Atlantis and Treasure Planet are the two maybes. I think the former did, don't recall about the latter.

    And I don't have a problem with them watching Atlantis or Treasure Planet. Or lots of the Disney movies.

    I just don't want them watching the princess movies.

    I'd really like to hear what the problematic messaging in Frozen, Tangled, and Brave is.

    The problematic message in Frozen is that if you have an awesome superpower that no one else has you're, for some stupid reason, not actually supposed to use it to rule your kingdom with an icy fist and subjugate all neighboring kingdoms with eternal winter.

    The movie is frankly unamerican. It should have been called Gelé

    Tangled encourages poor hygiene as regards proper hair care.

    Tangled again goes back to the well of "attractive white girl born into entitlement and is gifted magic powers through no effort of her own."

    And then there's the whole "good people are handsome and vaguely nordic/bad people are more ethnic looking."

    But the male lead was a black haired man with a large nose, and the main villain was gorgeous.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    Well, yes, because it's a story about a girl with magic powers.

    Yes, and Disney has a long enough history making films where women only have agency or importance if something magical happens to them.

    Well, yes, because those stories tend to be about something magical happening to an otherwise downtrodden person.

    No they don't. They are usually princesses.

    Whether you're of royal blood or not doesn't matter when you're trapped in a tower.

    It does. Because it makes you special.

    And most stories are about special people because normal people are boring.

    Way to completely ignore everything this conversation is about. As Atomika points t's not about whether or not she's special, but why.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    Well, yes, because it's a story about a girl with magic powers.

    Yes, and Disney has a long enough history making films where women only have agency or importance if something magical happens to them.

    Well, yes, because those stories tend to be about something magical happening to an otherwise downtrodden person.

    No they don't. They are usually princesses.

    Whether you're of royal blood or not doesn't matter when you're trapped in a tower.

    It does. Because it makes you special.

    And most stories are about special people because normal people are boring.

    Way to completely ignore everything this conversation is about. As Atomika points t's not about whether or not she's special, but why.

    The why is inconsequential. How she got her power proves nothing. I still need to know how someone earns their powers, too. That wasn't properly explained.

  • CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    And, I mean, Rapunzel
    turns out to be a brunette. Not exactly Aryan propaganda.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    Well, yes, because it's a story about a girl with magic powers.

    Yes, and Disney has a long enough history making films where women only have agency or importance if something magical happens to them.

    Well, yes, because those stories tend to be about something magical happening to an otherwise downtrodden person.

    No they don't. They are usually princesses.

    Whether you're of royal blood or not doesn't matter when you're trapped in a tower.

    It does. Because it makes you special.

    And most stories are about special people because normal people are boring.

    Way to completely ignore everything this conversation is about. As Atomika points t's not about whether or not she's special, but why.

    The why is inconsequential. How she got her power proves nothing. I still need to know how someone earns their powers, too. That wasn't properly explained.

    Not even a little bit.

  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    Well, yes, because it's a story about a girl with magic powers.

    Yes, and Disney has a long enough history making films where women only have agency or importance if something magical happens to them.

    Well, yes, because those stories tend to be about something magical happening to an otherwise downtrodden person.

    No they don't. They are usually princesses.

    Whether you're of royal blood or not doesn't matter when you're trapped in a tower.

    It does. Because it makes you special.

    And most stories are about special people because normal people are boring.

    Way to completely ignore everything this conversation is about. As Atomika points t's not about whether or not she's special, but why.

    The why is inconsequential. How she got her power proves nothing. I still need to know how someone earns their powers, too. That wasn't properly explained.

    Not even a little bit.

    So, let's assume that before the movie proper starts, there's a little montage where Rapunzel goes to a hair sensei and earns her hair powers through training.

    How does this affect the rest of the movie?

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited March 2015
    Kyougu wrote: »
    I have not read any of the Divergent books, but just based on the trailers/commercials for their movies, it looks like the most generic YA stuff ever.

    I certainly thought it was more entertaining than The Hunger Games, since it wasn't Battle Royale Lite and tried to be somewhat original.

    Oh yeah, the author of THG never read Battle Royale. Sure, and Harry Potter's author never read Matilda.
    (I think she had the nerve to say she'd never heard of Battle Royale, but I guess it's possible if she lived under a rock while writing that book.)

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    Well, yes, because it's a story about a girl with magic powers.

    Yes, and Disney has a long enough history making films where women only have agency or importance if something magical happens to them.

    Well, yes, because those stories tend to be about something magical happening to an otherwise downtrodden person.

    No they don't. They are usually princesses.

    Whether you're of royal blood or not doesn't matter when you're trapped in a tower.

    It does. Because it makes you special.

    And most stories are about special people because normal people are boring.

    Way to completely ignore everything this conversation is about. As Atomika points t's not about whether or not she's special, but why.

    The why is inconsequential. How she got her power proves nothing. I still need to know how someone earns their powers, too. That wasn't properly explained.

    Not even a little bit.

    So, let's assume that before the movie proper starts, there's a little montage where Rapunzel goes to a hair sensei and earns her hair powers through training.

    How does this affect the rest of the movie?

    Because it takes her from being genetically "special" to someone who worked hard to develop a skill. If you can't see the difference in that, well, I don't know what else to tell you.

    The fact that this may or may not change broad plot details isn't important. She's a character. Pete Venkman being a lovable scamp doesn't change the fact Gozer is bringing that Marshmallow Man to town.


    This is a specious line of reasoning.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    Well, yes, because it's a story about a girl with magic powers.

    Yes, and Disney has a long enough history making films where women only have agency or importance if something magical happens to them.

    Well, yes, because those stories tend to be about something magical happening to an otherwise downtrodden person.

    No they don't. They are usually princesses.

    Going back to the list of 25 Disney films released post-2000, there are a total of two films in which the lead character is magical or in some sense "chosen". Both of them are women. So in a technical sense, you're correct, but i don't think you're correct in any way that's relevant. More commonly, the protagonist is specifically normal or unremarkable and makes a difference anyway.

    Mostly it seems like you aren't too familiar with Disney films, given that you keep making factually incorrect or grossly misleading statements about them.

    To the extent there is a common theme in recent Disney films, it's more akin to "do what you want with your life, fuck societal roles, and hard work and perseverance will pay off." I submit as evidence:

    Wreck-It Ralph
    Brave
    The Princess and the Frog
    WALL-E
    Ratatouille
    Meet the Robinsons

    Those are the ones where "be yourself" is an obvious theme. There are several others where it's arguably a supporting theme.

    I would ask, Atomika, that if you want to keep asserting the existence of all these problematic films, you start providing specific examples. Because it's hard to discuss things when your argument consists of vague and supported statements like "they're usually princesses."

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  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Kyougu wrote: »
    I have not read any of the Divergent books, but just based on the trailers/commercials for their movies, it looks like the most generic YA stuff ever.

    I certainly thought it was more entertaining than The Hunger Games, since it wasn't Battle Royale Lite and tried to be somewhat original.

    Oh yeah, the author of THG never read Battle Royale. Sure, and Harry Potter's author never read Matilda.

    Whereas I find that first sentence to be factually wrong and the first book at least to be objectively terribad. Opinions etc!

  • reVersereVerse Attack and Dethrone God Registered User regular
    There's a novelization of Battle Royale?

  • useless4useless4 Registered User regular
    I know multiple people who absolutely hate Brave - and say it's straight evil.
    At the most basic level it is in fact about a girl that successfully poisons her mother. Then regrets it.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    For funsies, I went over the complete list of Disney films back to Snow White. By my accounting, there have been 13 total films in which the protagonist is either a "chosen one" through some kind of prophecy, or is elevated to importance through magic. Tangled would count, since she is born magical. Princess and the Frog wouldn't, since she is not raised to importance or success via magic, but rather through her own hard work. Lion King counts, because Simba is born royalty and is the subject of prophecy. And so on.

    Our of those 13, seven are dudes and six are gals.

    Just in case you're curious.

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  • CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    Wait, there was a prophecy in The Lion King? Thought that was just Rafiki being political.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.

    Well, yes, because it's a story about a girl with magic powers.

    Yes, and Disney has a long enough history making films where women only have agency or importance if something magical happens to them.

    Well, yes, because those stories tend to be about something magical happening to an otherwise downtrodden person.

    No they don't. They are usually princesses.

    Going back to the list of 25 Disney films released post-2000, there are a total of two films in which the lead character is magical or in some sense "chosen". Both of them are women. So in a technical sense, you're correct, but i don't think you're correct in any way that's relevant. More commonly, the protagonist is specifically normal or unremarkable and makes a difference anyway.

    Mostly it seems like you aren't too familiar with Disney films, given that you keep making factually incorrect or grossly misleading statements about them.

    To the extent there is a common theme in recent Disney films, it's more akin to "do what you want with your life, fuck societal roles, and hard work and perseverance will pay off." I submit as evidence:

    Wreck-It Ralph
    Brave
    The Princess and the Frog
    WALL-E
    Ratatouille
    Meet the Robinsons

    Those are the ones where "be yourself" is an obvious theme. There are several others where it's arguably a supporting theme.

    I would ask, Atomika, that if you want to keep asserting the existence of all these problematic films, you start providing specific examples. Because it's hard to discuss things when your argument consists of vague and supported statements like "they're usually princesses."

    I haven't seen Meet the Robinsons.
    I unequivocally love Ratatouille, it's my favorite Pixar film.
    I haven't seen Princess & The Frog, but the description earlier prompted me to say that I shouldn't have any problems with it.
    I don't like WALL-E because the main character strikes me as a weird neckbeard and I didn't like the way that Pixar walked back on it being a pro-environmentalist film.
    Brave is fine.
    Wreck-It Ralph, as I've said, is fine.


    That still doesn't account for the Disney Princess brand. The Cinderellas and Snow Whites and Sleeping Beauties and Little Mermaids and Aladdins and Beauty & the Beasts and Frozens and Rapunzels and Sophias. I think all that shit is harmful.

    Lilo & Stitch? Not so much.

  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Oh yeah, the author of THG never read Battle Royale. Sure, and Harry Potter's author never read Matilda.

    Man, what? Are you saying Roald Dahl invented the idea of children with magical powers in 1988 and JK Rowling took that basis for her series?

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    For funsies, I went over the complete list of Disney films back to Snow White. By my accounting, there have been 13 total films in which the protagonist is either a "chosen one" through some kind of prophecy, or is elevated to importance through magic. Tangled would count, since she is born magical. Princess and the Frog wouldn't, since she is not raised to importance or success via magic, but rather through her own hard work. Lion King counts, because Simba is born royalty and is the subject of prophecy. And so on.

    Our of those 13, seven are dudes and six are gals.

    Just in case you're curious.

    Sounds about right. I am not actually a Disney fanboy, and yet I've always had the sense that they were basically even-handed in their portrayals. Initially they were white-centric, but they seem to have intentionally stopped being that some time ago.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    useless4 wrote: »
    I know multiple people who absolutely hate Brave - and say it's straight evil.
    At the most basic level it is in fact about a girl that successfully poisons her mother. Then regrets it.

    Well, yeah. It's a little dark. Though "poisons her mother" is a bit reductive, and anyway the film shows the disastrous consequences of her selfish actions and she learns a lesson in the end, so...

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    For funsies, I went over the complete list of Disney films back to Snow White. By my accounting, there have been 13 total films in which the protagonist is either a "chosen one" through some kind of prophecy, or is elevated to importance through magic. Tangled would count, since she is born magical. Princess and the Frog wouldn't, since she is not raised to importance or success via magic, but rather through her own hard work. Lion King counts, because Simba is born royalty and is the subject of prophecy. And so on.

    Our of those 13, seven are dudes and six are gals.

    Just in case you're curious.

    I am. Which dudes?

  • CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Oh yeah, the author of THG never read Battle Royale. Sure, and Harry Potter's author never read Matilda.

    Man, what? Are you saying Roald Dahl invented the idea of children with magical powers in 1988 and JK Rowling took that basis for her series?

    It is a well known fact that Jo Rowling stole the plot for the Harry Potter franchise from the movie Troll.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited March 2015
    I was being facetious(mostly).

    And yes, BR's based on a book. A very good one. The movie is pretty much 1:1, though the film tweaks some little things. I think the film has a happier ending.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    useless4 wrote: »
    I know multiple people who absolutely hate Brave - and say it's straight evil.
    At the most basic level it is in fact about a girl that successfully poisons her mother. Then regrets it.

    Well, yeah. It's a little dark. Though "poisons her mother" is a bit reductive, and anyway the film shows the disastrous consequences of her selfish actions and she learns a lesson in the end, so...

    The Little Mermaid has a similar thing where Ariel makes a very misguided and selfish deal with Ursula that almost allows Ursula to usurp Triton and become de facto Queen of the Oceans.

    It only gets averted when Ariel's boyfriend slaughters Ursula with a ship.

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    useless4 wrote: »
    I know multiple people who absolutely hate Brave - and say it's straight evil.
    At the most basic level it is in fact about a girl that successfully poisons her mother. Then regrets it.

    Well, yeah. It's a little dark. Though "poisons her mother" is a bit reductive, and anyway the film shows the disastrous consequences of her selfish actions and she learns a lesson in the end, so...

    The Little Mermaid has a similar thing where Ariel makes a very misguided and selfish deal with Ursula that almost allows Ursula to usurp Triton and become de facto Queen of the Oceans.

    It only gets averted when Ariel's boyfriend slaughters Ursula with a ship.

    That was pretty indirect, though, and while the deal is going on Ariel is at most making a bad personal life choice. Whereas, Merida is actually giving her mom a tampered item and deceiving her to her face.

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    Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    useless4 wrote: »
    I know multiple people who absolutely hate Brave - and say it's straight evil.
    At the most basic level it is in fact about a girl that successfully poisons her mother. Then regrets it.

    Well, yeah. It's a little dark. Though "poisons her mother" is a bit reductive, and anyway the film shows the disastrous consequences of her selfish actions and she learns a lesson in the end, so...

    The Little Mermaid has a similar thing where Ariel makes a very misguided and selfish deal with Ursula that almost allows Ursula to usurp Triton and become de facto Queen of the Oceans.

    It only gets averted when Ariel's boyfriend slaughters Ursula with a ship.

    Little Mermaid is actually about the American Revolution. The ship at the end is the french saving us from the british.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    There's a novelization of Battle Royale?
    It was a novel first.

    And as usual, the novel is way better than the movie.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Let me drop some knowledge on you about The Little Mermaid.

    See in the beginning Ariel is chilling cool with the sea, but she wants to be on the land to hang out with america. Ursala a stand in for the british, totally says she can, but only if she agrees to not have a voice (ergo taxation without representation), all the while its her grand plan to take over america with Ariel distracted by the lure of being in america. So the prince as a stand in for the french kills the shit out of her and america is free with a voice.

    Boom this all makes logical sense and has no gaps of logic at all.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    Sorce wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    There's a novelization of Battle Royale?
    It was a novel first.

    And as usual, the novel is way better than the movie.

    Though the movie is still damn good, and a very faithful adaptation.

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  • N1tSt4lkerN1tSt4lker Registered User regular
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Kyougu wrote: »
    I have not read any of the Divergent books, but just based on the trailers/commercials for their movies, it looks like the most generic YA stuff ever.

    I certainly thought it was more entertaining than The Hunger Games, since it wasn't Battle Royale Lite and tried to be somewhat original.

    Oh yeah, the author of THG never read Battle Royale. Sure, and Harry Potter's author never read Matilda.
    (I think she had the nerve to say she'd never heard of Battle Royale, but I guess it's possible if she lived under a rock while writing that book.)

    I had never heard of Battle Royale until it came up in discussion after Hunger Games came out in theatres.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Let me drop some knowledge on you about The Little Mermaid.

    See in the beginning Ariel is chilling cool with the sea, but she wants to be on the land to hang out with america. Ursala a stand in for the british, totally says she can, but only if she agrees to not have a voice (ergo taxation without representation), all the while its her grand plan to take over america with Ariel distracted by the lure of being in america. So the prince as a stand in for the french kills the shit out of her and america is free with a voice.

    Boom this all makes logical sense and has no gaps of logic at all.

    Ursula's clammy gray skin and tentacles also seem authentically British.

  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Guys, you seem to be intentionally missing the point here.

    The maguffin of the film is Rapunzel's magical powers. She's "chosen" by this gift.

    The plot of the film isn't motivated by her personality or her skills or her intelligence, it's motivated by her being "special" at the genetic level.
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    For funsies, I went over the complete list of Disney films back to Snow White. By my accounting, there have been 13 total films in which the protagonist is either a "chosen one" through some kind of prophecy, or is elevated to importance through magic. Tangled would count, since she is born magical. Princess and the Frog wouldn't, since she is not raised to importance or success via magic, but rather through her own hard work. Lion King counts, because Simba is born royalty and is the subject of prophecy. And so on.

    Our of those 13, seven are dudes and six are gals.

    Just in case you're curious.

    Point of order. In Tangled, Rapunzel is NOT born with magic powers. She actually becomes deathly ill for reasons unexplained, and it is the magical flower that they turn into a cure for her illness that grants her hair it's magical healing powers. Once cut, the hair loses that power.

    If anything, Rapunzel is actually cursed by the magic, as it is the reason Mother Godel kidnaps her and locks her up in the first place.

    She wasn't born magical or special. It was a side effect of becoming so ill that only magic could cure it, and that magic caused an entirely new set of problems.

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