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  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    I just saw Snow White and the Huntsman. My verdict? Better than Maleficent. Muuuuuuch better. Still not a great movie though.

    I liked parts and did not care for other parts. It achieved its aims quite nicely and did a bunch of neat stuff. The cinematography is pretty cool when it's doing its own thing but when it's trying to do its job it's pretty boring and standard. The hallucinating scene in the dark forest conveyed terror and confusion much better than the dead Mirkwood scene in The Hobbit 2. But generally, if there are humans in the shot then the camera work is standard and boring. But when the film is showcasing the very nice (if a little overused) special effects it does all sorts of stuff. It helps that the CGI looks good, unlike Maleficent's poop.

    I liked the fairy tale parts, some of it could have been straight out of a classic fairy tale. Really cool imaginative fairy stuff, some old, some new. My one complaint is that the White Hart just... stood on the spot. The White Hart's number 1 thing is being elusive and quick footed. They didn't capture that. I enjoyed the Christian/Christian-fairyland stuff immensely. Often these films are set in an imaginary fantasy world but Snow White saying the Lord's Prayer in her introduction as an adult was a nice surprise. And I really liked the bible quotations that set her up as a messiah figure.

    The 'romance' wasn't good but it is very good at setting up ships. I suppose that was the goal and the film did very well with it I think. A better romance would have killed the 'will they won't they'. It's not my kind of thing but I understand why they did it.

    The weakest part of the film is Kristen Stewart/Snow White, I'm not sure how much of this is her acting and how much of this is the writing. But her character is just there. She's 'special' without having to do anything at all to show it except look straight ahead. I did like Snow White in armour and her active role at the end, but Kristen Stewart didn't seem comfortable doing those things. I also liked the scene where she confronts the troll by roaring back at it, but it quickly turned into the standard 'look straight ahead and be special' problem, a little back and forth with the roars would have been swell. Charlize Theron isn't too good either, when she's good she's great but I think the script holds her back. Liam was good, the creepy brother and the nice guy were average at best. I would have liked them to have cast dwarf actors instead of cgi-ing actors heads onto dwarf doubles. The effects weren't bad and it was fun seeing Nick Frost & co do their thing but I think it would have been cool to have dwarfs play dwarfs.

    Why didn't Snow White have black hair? It's one of her 3 (4 if you count her beauty) defining features.

    There's a lot of laugh out loud moments, where I was laughing at the ridiculous thing on the screen. I'm not counting that as a negative, sure, the director might have tried to make the Queen sucking the life out of someone scary and failed but I still got enjoyment out of it (unlike Maleficents failures). And troll butts are always funny.

    It's a movie that I am very close to really liking. However, its biggest problem (for me) is that it isn't an arty film. It has some really neat ideas and visuals but they're being added to something that is at it's core, a by the numbers film. It's a remake, featuring popular actors, hoping to ride on the success of the Twilight films.

    Gvzbgul on
  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    RT800 wrote: »
    Ah yes, Cinderella.

    The story about the guy who falls madly in love with the girl whose face he can't remember.

    It's only because she has a totally slammin ass.

    Anyway, I've always found the animated film charming, if a little generic. Cinderella as a person has an infectious personality. She's optimistic, intelligent, capable, and confident. She has a shitty lot in life, but she refuses to give into it.

    She's a lot better than Snow Fucking White, whose singular personality trait is that she's literally terminally stupid. Oh, and she can bake a pie.

    I'm going to have to think long and hard before I show any of the Disney Princess movies to my kid.

    They're all kinds of messed up in terms of reinforcing harmful ideas.

  • N1tSt4lkerN1tSt4lker Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    RT800 wrote: »
    Ah yes, Cinderella.

    The story about the guy who falls madly in love with the girl whose face he can't remember.

    It's only because she has a totally slammin ass.

    Anyway, I've always found the animated film charming, if a little generic. Cinderella as a person has an infectious personality. She's optimistic, intelligent, capable, and confident. She has a shitty lot in life, but she refuses to give into it.

    She's a lot better than Snow Fucking White, whose singular personality trait is that she's literally terminally stupid. Oh, and she can bake a pie.

    Agreed. And as someone who teaches at a uniform school and then has to do double-takes on the first free-dress day of the year before she recognizes some of her students, I can absolutely get a guy not immediately recognizing the Cinderella he met in a sparkly gown and awesome hair when he sees her in cinders and rags. It's not completely unbelievable.

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Mortious wrote: »
    Also I personally don't especially want a solo Black Widow film. I think putting Cap and Widow together was a really excellent idea. The first Cap film showed that the character doesn't quite hold up a feature film on his own and I have similar doubts about Widow (with all due respect to ScarJo, but I'm talking about the character here not her as an actress or even her portrayal, which I think is good).

    Black Widow can do it, it's not like she hasn't had solo outings in the comics. She simply hasn't had the chance in movies yet. Bit early to write her off. With HYDRA active in the present and her past being an open book in Winter Soldier opens a lot of avenues for her to pursue her spying adventures. She has her own niche in the Marvel universe.

    http://www.amazon.com/Black-Widow-Vol-Finely-Thread-ebook/dp/B00PSN1C06/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1426173301&sr=1-1&keywords=black+widow+marvel

    http://www.amazon.com/Black-Widow-Vol-1-Homecoming/dp/0785114939/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1426173333&sr=1-1&keywords=black+widow+marvel+homecoming

    Hawkeye's entertaining enough to have solo movies on his own as well.

    http://www.amazon.com/Hawkeye-Vol-Life-Weapon-Marvel/dp/0785165622/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1426173410&sr=1-1&keywords=matt+fraction+hawkeye

    I'd prefer it if the movies went further into the duo teamup movies, instead of solo movies.

    Kind of like Winter Soldier, but focus it more as a team up movie instead of a Cap + Sidekicks movie so that BW and Falcon could have bigger roles.

    For Iron Man, they could have made it a team up movie with him and Banner (instead of just using Banner as a framing device, though that conversation was golden)

    Tony and Banner talking about inner demons/PTSD had the potential to be some powerful scenes.

    It makes the secondary characters, less secondary and more fleshed out, and then in the Avengers movies gives more and better hooks.

    I suspect Cap 3 is going to do exactly that with Bucky if they are going to have him take over the Capt mantle later on

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I totally want the grimms version of cinderalla to be in theaters eye plucking birds, feet cutting step sisters... it has it all!

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited March 2015
    Atomika wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    RT800 wrote: »
    Ah yes, Cinderella.

    The story about the guy who falls madly in love with the girl whose face he can't remember.

    It's only because she has a totally slammin ass.

    Anyway, I've always found the animated film charming, if a little generic. Cinderella as a person has an infectious personality. She's optimistic, intelligent, capable, and confident. She has a shitty lot in life, but she refuses to give into it.

    She's a lot better than Snow Fucking White, whose singular personality trait is that she's literally terminally stupid. Oh, and she can bake a pie.

    I'm going to have to think long and hard before I show any of the Disney Princess movies to my kid.

    They're all kinds of messed up in terms of reinforcing harmful ideas.

    Snow White is the only one that is absolutely awful in that regard. The others reflect some kind of trying to take control of their lives (if only by definition of their romantic future), but are hampered by social mores of the time. Snow White is just bad.

    Fencingsax on
  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    RT800 wrote: »
    Ah yes, Cinderella.

    The story about the guy who falls madly in love with the girl whose face he can't remember.

    It's only because she has a totally slammin ass.

    Anyway, I've always found the animated film charming, if a little generic. Cinderella as a person has an infectious personality. She's optimistic, intelligent, capable, and confident. She has a shitty lot in life, but she refuses to give into it.

    She's a lot better than Snow Fucking White, whose singular personality trait is that she's literally terminally stupid. Oh, and she can bake a pie.

    I'm going to have to think long and hard before I show any of the Disney Princess movies to my kid.

    They're all kinds of messed up in terms of reinforcing harmful ideas.

    Snow White is the only one that is absolutely awful in that regard. The others reflect some kind of trying to take control of their lives (if only by definition of their romantic future), but are hampered by social mores of the time. Snow White is just bad.

    On an individual basis that may be, but as a trend it's still harming to see ideals presented as entitlement and heteronormative romantic dynamics.

    Or in Belle's case, Stockholm Syndrome.

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    but but Frozen

    Anna acts like a Disney princess and gets fucked over for it

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    but but Frozen

    Anna acts like a Disney princess and gets fucked over for it

    through no fault of her own, really

    and she still winds up with the good guy at the end

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Most Disney films aren't any more problematic than the other standard films of the respective era.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    I be done seen 'bout everything, when I've seen an elephant fly...

    Sorry, what were we talking about?

  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    I have not read any of the Divergent books, but just based on the trailers/commercials for their movies, it looks like the most generic YA stuff ever.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Kyougu wrote: »
    I have not read any of the Divergent books, but just based on the trailers/commercials for their movies, it looks like the most generic YA stuff ever.

    You aren't wrong, its basically knock off hunger games. The movies seem to be exactly the same way.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Most Disney films aren't any more problematic than the other standard films of the respective era.

    The Disney films released in the last 10 years are problematic, too. They just don't have as many racist jokes in them.

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Kyougu wrote: »
    I have not read any of the Divergent books, but just based on the trailers/commercials for their movies, it looks like the most generic YA stuff ever.

    You aren't wrong, its basically knock off hunger games. The movies seem to be exactly the same way.

    I don't know anything about the series, but isn't the main character yet another "chosen one" archetype with little agency of her own?

    At least Katniss isn't some hoary trope dragged out again.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Yes and no, she's divergent which means she a multi class user in a strictly solo class society. There are others like her, but for some reason she's the best even though in the movie at least the man basically does most of the heavy lifting.

    The villain is also horribly named, I'm sorry Janine doesn't know sound intimidating even if you have sleep walking Kate Winslet playing her. Its like a bad guy named Steve, I can't take that mother fucker seriously. At least Gerald Terant went by Terant because it sounded more intimidating than Gerald!

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • gjaustingjaustin Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    Kyougu wrote: »
    I have not read any of the Divergent books, but just based on the trailers/commercials for their movies, it looks like the most generic YA stuff ever.

    You aren't wrong, its basically knock off hunger games. The movies seem to be exactly the same way.

    I don't know anything about the series, but isn't the main character yet another "chosen one" archetype with little agency of her own?

    At least Katniss isn't some hoary trope dragged out again.

    I've only watched the first movie, but there's multiple "chosen ones". And they're special BECAUSE they have agency of their own.

    I could go into more detail with spoilers if you'd like.

  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    I be done seen 'bout everything, when I've seen an elephant fly...

    Sorry, what were we talking about?

    I, for one, cannot wait to hear Tim Burton's take on this classic tune.

  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    Houn wrote: »
    I be done seen 'bout everything, when I've seen an elephant fly...

    Sorry, what were we talking about?

    I, for one, cannot wait to hear Tim Burton's take on this classic tune.

    All the crows to be played by Johnny Depp in blackface

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited March 2015
    Houn wrote: »
    I be done seen 'bout everything, when I've seen an elephant fly...

    Sorry, what were we talking about?

    I, for one, cannot wait to hear Tim Burton's take on this classic tune.

    Danny Elfman's, please.

    edit: I can say this, I expect the 'Dumbo gets drunk' scene to be fully off-the-chain. By 'expect', I mean "won't accept anything less than A-grade nightmare fuel".

    darleysam on
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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    I totally want the grimms version of cinderalla to be in theaters eye plucking birds, feet cutting step sisters... it has it all!

    Well, Into the Woods had that at least, which surprised me.

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
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    they have agency that can't be taken away from them.

    The most impressive thing about that movie was how bland and uninteresting the lead actress was. Literally zero personality, though I don't know if that was her or the script. It doesn't help that the main conflict is 'Group A wants to do X because REASONS!'.

    Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    More specifically
    they have agency that can't be taken away from them.

    The most impressive thing about that movie was how bland and uninteresting the lead actress was. Literally zero personality, though I don't know if that was her or the script. It doesn't help that the main conflict is 'Group A wants to do X because REASONS!'.

    I don't get the Shailene Woodley hype train.

    She's, at best, thoroughly okay.

  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    She was probably what I liked best about The Americans, but then I didn't like the film, so it didn't take that much to stand out in a positive way.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    In The Descendants, she played an irrationally angry horrible teenager.

    I mean, I bought it, but most people at that age are, so it didn't exactly seem a stretch.



    But shit, that movie was awful.

  • flamebroiledchickenflamebroiledchicken Registered User regular
    I have no idea why The Descendants was nominated for Best Picture, it was so thoroughly boring. It didn't even feel like Oscar bait, just a dull, run-of-the-mill family drama with no one to care about.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    Atomika wrote: »
    daveNYC wrote: »
    More specifically
    they have agency that can't be taken away from them.

    The most impressive thing about that movie was how bland and uninteresting the lead actress was. Literally zero personality, though I don't know if that was her or the script. It doesn't help that the main conflict is 'Group A wants to do X because REASONS!'.

    I don't get the Shailene Woodley hype train.

    She's, at best, thoroughly okay.

    She's nice with drama roles, not with action. In the movie she felt like a poor man's Jennifer Lawrence Katniss.
    Atomika wrote: »
    In The Descendants, she played an irrationally angry horrible teenager.

    I mean, I bought it, but most people at that age are, so it didn't exactly seem a stretch.



    But shit, that movie was awful.

    It's Oscar award winning material to The Secret Life of an American Teenager.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ8lVRa4ssI

    I can imagine a show like that being handled with greater self awareness and poking fun at itself for how silly it is on MTV without becoming 7th Heaven 2.0.

    Harry Dresden on
  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    Man wtf is this gritty Moses with a massive body count

    AAAAA!!! PLAAAYGUUU!!!!
  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Atomika wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    RT800 wrote: »
    Ah yes, Cinderella.

    The story about the guy who falls madly in love with the girl whose face he can't remember.

    It's only because she has a totally slammin ass.

    Anyway, I've always found the animated film charming, if a little generic. Cinderella as a person has an infectious personality. She's optimistic, intelligent, capable, and confident. She has a shitty lot in life, but she refuses to give into it.

    She's a lot better than Snow Fucking White, whose singular personality trait is that she's literally terminally stupid. Oh, and she can bake a pie.

    I'm going to have to think long and hard before I show any of the Disney Princess movies to my kid.

    They're all kinds of messed up in terms of reinforcing harmful ideas.

    Snow White is the only one that is absolutely awful in that regard. The others reflect some kind of trying to take control of their lives (if only by definition of their romantic future), but are hampered by social mores of the time. Snow White is just bad.

    On an individual basis that may be, but as a trend it's still harming to see ideals presented as entitlement and heteronormative romantic dynamics.

    Or in Belle's case, Stockholm Syndrome.

    Except Princess and the Frog, which I maintain offers up the best and healthiest "princess" role model of any Disney film.

  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    There's still Hitchcock that I haven't seen. The last one I've crossed off the list is Notorious. It was good, really good, and I don't want to be crass and take attention from that, but Jesus I think it had the hottest scene I've seen on film in a long while.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    I have no idea why The Descendants was nominated for Best Picture, it was so thoroughly boring. It didn't even feel like Oscar bait, just a dull, run-of-the-mill family drama with no one to care about.

    My mom loved it. Watched it twice. Tried to get me to watch it, I told her I got bored during the time it took me to pass through the living room to the kitchen.

    She is just about the exact median age of the academy voters.

    So many of your "why this movie?" questions can be answered with "generational differences between you and academy voters".

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Everyone was just lost in George Clooney's eyes

  • FantastikaFantastika Betting That The Levee Will HoldRegistered User regular
    Houn wrote: »
    I be done seen 'bout everything, when I've seen an elephant fly...

    Sorry, what were we talking about?

    I, for one, cannot wait to hear Tim Burton's take on this classic tune.

    All the crows to be played by Johnny Depp in blackface

    Nothing wrong with that. Depp's actually 1/87th African American on his great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother's cousin side.

  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Everyone was just lost in George Clooney's eyes

    As much as I like Clooney as a person and as a sex symbol, he hasn't made a film I liked in a long time.

  • gjaustingjaustin Registered User regular
    Everyone was just lost in George Clooney's eyes

    As much as I like Clooney as a person and as a sex symbol, he hasn't made a film I liked in a long time.

    Gravity?


    And before that Up in the Air

  • LoserForHireXLoserForHireX Philosopher King The AcademyRegistered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    RT800 wrote: »
    Ah yes, Cinderella.

    The story about the guy who falls madly in love with the girl whose face he can't remember.

    It's only because she has a totally slammin ass.

    Anyway, I've always found the animated film charming, if a little generic. Cinderella as a person has an infectious personality. She's optimistic, intelligent, capable, and confident. She has a shitty lot in life, but she refuses to give into it.

    She's a lot better than Snow Fucking White, whose singular personality trait is that she's literally terminally stupid. Oh, and she can bake a pie.

    I'm going to have to think long and hard before I show any of the Disney Princess movies to my kid.

    They're all kinds of messed up in terms of reinforcing harmful ideas.

    Yeah, I mean, they are long held cultural stories, which tend to reinforce the dominant cultural narrative.

    They are a little problematic, but there's a sense in which they are not dooming a child to a life of horrible ideas and bad self image. They are fun for kids, and they have some delightful songs, and when the kid is old enough to actually talk about how they should or shouldn't see women in real life, they'll just remember the joy, and hopefully not some of the bad messages.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    gjaustin wrote: »
    Everyone was just lost in George Clooney's eyes

    As much as I like Clooney as a person and as a sex symbol, he hasn't made a film I liked in a long time.

    Gravity?


    And before that Up in the Air

    I forgot about gravity, so yeah you're right. Never saw Up in the Air. I was thinking about Monuments Men, Syrianna, and all those lame Oceans films when I made that comment.

  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    The Men Who Stare At Goats, too.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited March 2015
    His part in Burn After Reading was pretty great.

    Fencingsax on
  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    darleysam wrote: »
    The Men Who Stare At Goats, too.

    Yeap, watched that and thought it was boring, and I didn't like Burn After Reading either.

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