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    BucketmanBucketman Call me SkraggRegistered User regular
    So I've been seeing this all over Facebook today. Many of my friends and family support this.

    http://www.gunowners.org/state01152016.htm

    Can..can you just ignore federal laws as a state? Is that allowed?

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    edited January 2016
    nope. at least as long as the federal government wants to enforce them(they don't for marijuana)

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    Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
    edited January 2016
    Bucketman wrote: »
    So I've been seeing this all over Facebook today. Many of my friends and family support this.

    http://www.gunowners.org/state01152016.htm

    Can..can you just ignore federal laws as a state? Is that allowed?

    Weed laws in twenty-three states and The District of Columbia say 'yes.' But that's The Chronic, so your mileage may vary.

    edit: Fuckin' ghosted.

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    turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    Basically, you can until you can't.

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    No you can't. Federal laws might not be enforced, as is the case with Marijuana in many states, but a state can't just say "No that law doesn't apply to me" if a federal agency wants to enforce it.

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Like for example in California I'm pretty sure there have been still arrests regarding marijuana possession that was legal by state but not federal law it's just that there usually have to be some extenuating circumstances for the feds to go after someone, since in general they have better things to do.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Bucketman wrote: »
    So I've been seeing this all over Facebook today. Many of my friends and family support this.

    http://www.gunowners.org/state01152016.htm

    Can..can you just ignore federal laws as a state? Is that allowed?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

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    DoctorArchDoctorArch Curmudgeon Registered User regular
    So what are the chucklefucks in Oregon up to today? Oh, just removing security cameras from a transformer station 6 miles outside of Burns, Oregon, and claiming that they were installed by the FBI and constitute and unreasonable search (link)

    For the record, as it's a 35 mile drive from Burns to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge building where Y'all Qaeda is holed up, I don't think those cameras were installed by the FBI.

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    LabelLabel Registered User regular
    So it seems general sanctions on Iran have been lifted.

    some new ones being put in place by US based on ballistic missile program? Not really sure


    Anyway, life for general people in Iran may improve now. At least for a time, shifting fault lines in mid-east power may change everything soon enough.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    Provided Iran behaves

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    Israel and West shouldn't be surprised that Iran actually did what they said they were going to do in a treaty and call their bluff.

    How far the Ayatollah permits this to happen is another matter entirely. Still, five families are happier tonight, so at the very least, there's that.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    The way that the Federal government tends to get state governments to comply with federal law is a long and complex thing that is generally not just flippantly discussed. You have different types of federal law, and different ways they are applied. The DEA shit is not really applicable to other types of federal law, since it relys on local cops conforming to the arrests of federal agents, and the state government can just refuse the DEA stipend that they would get by following the mandates.

    It's part of the reason why I was curious as to the legal basis on Obama's whole shimmy shammy with this thing. It actually makes a huge difference, legally speaking!

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    turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    DoctorArch wrote: »
    So what are the chucklefucks in Oregon up to today? Oh, just removing security cameras from a transformer station 6 miles outside of Burns, Oregon, and claiming that they were installed by the FBI and constitute and unreasonable search (link)

    For the record, as it's a 35 mile drive from Burns to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge building where Y'all Qaeda is holed up, I don't think those cameras were installed by the FBI.

    I read a story the other day that there are 4000 some artifacts stored in the building they're occupying. So that's just great.

    There was also just a lovely quote from the king dipshit about how he wants to let loggers and ranchers destroy historic sights because they're more important than ancient history.

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    PeccaviPeccavi Registered User regular
    They actually arrested one of the militia members after he drove into town with a stolen federal vehicle.

    They let him go after he pinky swore to not occupy federal property again.

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    Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 One of the multitude of Dans infesting this place Registered User regular
    Peccavi wrote: »
    They actually arrested one of the militia members after he drove into town with a stolen federal vehicle.

    They let him go after he pinky swore to not occupy federal property again.

    not sure where you're getting that, but I know he's had previous run-ins with the law for occupying federal land and is currently out on bail for one such offense.

    Among others.

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    MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    Peccavi wrote: »
    They actually arrested one of the militia members after he drove into town with a stolen federal vehicle.

    They let him go after he pinky swore to not occupy federal property again.

    not sure where you're getting that, but I know he's had previous run-ins with the law for occupying federal land and is currently out on bail for one such offense.

    Among others.

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    According to one local report, the two vehicles, one a pickup truck and one a passenger van, bore door signs reading “Harney County Resource Center” – the new name occupiers have given to the sanctuary. The man police suspected of driving the second government vehicle into town already had gone into the grocery store before police arrived, the report said.

    what

    is the grocery store like an official arrest-free safe-zone in Oregon? Did they lose him? Pro tip, it's the guy walking out of the store with 50 pounds of doritos and gatorade towards the stolen government vehicle.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    It's Oregon, all the good officers have died of dysentery.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    So let me get this straight: Oregon's culture outside of Portland and Eugene is basically an all white Mississippi?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Rural areas are a bitch, eh?

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    LabelLabel Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    So let me get this straight: Oregon's culture outside of Portland and Eugene is basically an all white Mississippi?

    west of the cascades is more likely to be generally progressive, eastern oregon not so much.

    So basically, yes.


    Which is why the Bundy occupying militia getting THAT local area, deep in eastern oregon, to want them the fuck out is so absurdly stupid.

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    This just reminds me of every time I have shocked people by telling them eastern Washington is fairly conservative in relation to western Washington.

    You can go from vegan EDM political fund-raising block parties to rodeos in two-three hours.

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    The idea that states west of the Mississippi are really freaking big passed over a lot of people's heads.

    Washington state has two different climates.

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    California is the same. It's thought of as super liberal because of LA and San Francisco but most of the state is super red.

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    LabelLabel Registered User regular
    the thing with all of that though, is most of the "geographical area" is conservative. Not most of the people who live in the state.

    lotta those eastern areas are really fucking empty.

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    UrielUriel Registered User regular
    Ohio is pretty weird. I live in one of the few areas that is pretty liberal.

    If you drive out from the suburbs for maybe 10 minutes though you start to see trump signs and weirdly confederate flags?

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Yeah, the conservatives often feel its us against all of them

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    So I don't know where to put this but yay for SE having loose topicality

    Anyway I didn't realize until my girlfriend told me this but there are several rural Texas towns that are not closed for MLK Jr. day. Abilene schools are closed, so I don't think it's just that they needed a bad weather make up day? Hawley schools are only a short distance away and have had exactly as many closings as we've had here.

    Even if a make up day was needed, holy shit think about what you look like by staying open today. But then again I'm sure they did think about it and probably just decided they don't care.

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    YukiraYukira Registered User regular
    President's Day and MLK day are usually bad weather floater days for most schools.

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    south carolina refused to recognize MLK day until 2000

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    Darth WaiterDarth Waiter Elrond Hubbard Mordor XenuRegistered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    south carolina refused to recognize MLK day until 2000

    Racism: The Other, Other White Meat.

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited January 2016
    Yukira wrote: »
    President's Day and MLK day are usually bad weather floater days for most schools.

    Maybe they could pick something else, or add another day at the end.

    There are also places where they use loopholes to keep school open on MLK Jr. Day. Not as a bad weather thing.

    It just seems like a bullshit excuse to avoid observing a holiday that celebrates a man who worked tirelessly for black rights.

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    You guys want a trip into racist right-wing nutjob territory, go anywhere in Quebec outside of the Montreal region because oh boy.

    Just make sure you understand French

    and speak it without an accent (well, specifically, with a Québécois accent but preferably not a Montreal one)

    because they'll be racist against you too

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    Exhibit A:

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    This is someone in Quebec voting at the last federal elections, being hilarious because haha if women are allowed to swear citizenship in a niqab then lol I can vote for prime minister with a potato bag on my head haha these are equivalent things

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    Lost CanuckLost Canuck World's Greatest Escape Artist Doctor Vundabar's Murder MachineRegistered User regular
    SimBen wrote: »
    You guys want a trip into racist right-wing nutjob territory, go anywhere in Quebec outside of the Montreal region because oh boy.

    Just make sure you understand French

    and speak it without an accent (well, specifically, with a Québécois accent but preferably not a Montreal one)

    because they'll be racist against you too

    I live in BC, and people complained in my town last year when a park named after the Hudson's Bay Company fort was renamed in memory of a former First Nations village that used to occupy that space.

    People in my town got real mad about city council destroying white heritage.

    Of course, the reason the village no longer exists is because the European settlers snuck in during the night and burned it down so that they could claim the land for themselves. The next day's newspaper described the event as the torch of the white man illuminating one of the dark places of the Earth. They eventually stopped using the land and turned it into a park, there was a tennis court built on top of a graveyard.

    This is the heritage the people in my town think we need to preserve.

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Why shouldn't you be allowed to vote with a potato bag on your head?

    Anyways, as far as MLK day is concerned there's a bunch of local gatherings going on today. Obviously quite a few at a number of churches, some things at hospitals, libraries, etc. It's a pretty big deal here, but then I do live in a part of North Carolina that is like 55% African American so it's possible it's not as big a deal in the western half of the state. Not complaining about it anyhow, MLK is way more worthy of remembrance and contemplation then almost all of the other people we have holidays about.

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    Why shouldn't you be allowed to vote with a potato bag on your head?

    Anyways, as far as MLK day is concerned there's a bunch of local gatherings going on today. Obviously quite a few at a number of churches, some things at hospitals, libraries, etc. It's a pretty big deal here, but then I do live in a part of North Carolina that is like 55% African American so it's possible it's not as big a deal in the western half of the state. Not complaining about it anyhow, MLK is way more worthy of remembrance and contemplation then almost all of the other people we have holidays about.

    Yes, you should, and they were!

    It's still a shitty statement though!

    You're also legally technically allowed to vote in blackface!

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    RainfallRainfall Registered User regular
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    What if the cops challenged them to a game of YuGiOh?

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    Gundi wrote: »
    Why shouldn't you be allowed to vote with a potato bag on your head?

    Anyways, as far as MLK day is concerned there's a bunch of local gatherings going on today. Obviously quite a few at a number of churches, some things at hospitals, libraries, etc. It's a pretty big deal here, but then I do live in a part of North Carolina that is like 55% African American so it's possible it's not as big a deal in the western half of the state. Not complaining about it anyhow, MLK is way more worthy of remembrance and contemplation then almost all of the other people we have holidays about.

    Oh, he was decidedly allowed to vote. The only issue with those chucklefucks was that they brought cameras in to film reactions, and cameras in the voting stations are very illegal. A whole bunch of dumbasses tried it and got promptly ignored.

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    Lost CanuckLost Canuck World's Greatest Escape Artist Doctor Vundabar's Murder MachineRegistered User regular
    The response those people give in regards to muslims wearing a niqab when becoming a citizen is that "We don't know who they really are! Who knows if they're actually saying the citizenship oath under that thing? They should become a Canadian in good faith, with their face unobscured."

    Even though they have to verify their identity with an official with photo ID before they take the oath.

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    Also as far as I know the oath of citizenship is not actually a magic spell that will bind your behavior to being a Good Canadian Citizen but only if you say it without crossing your fingers and mean it.

    My brother-in-law took it last fall (he's from France) and not only is it typically done all together in a crowd but they don't require you to stand, hold up your hand or audibly actually say the oath. You could just sit there and keep your mouth shut and it would totally count, it's literally just ceremonial fluff that has no legal value.

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    Lost CanuckLost Canuck World's Greatest Escape Artist Doctor Vundabar's Murder MachineRegistered User regular
    I am amused by people who loudly voice their displeasure about having to swear allegiance to the Queen as part of the oath.

    It's not like the monarchy has any direct power over you if you do it.

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