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  • DiarmuidDiarmuid Registered User regular
    Hobnail wrote: »
    Presumably the frog the size of egypt dies roughly immediately upon manifestation due to total systemic structural integrity failure, frog parts simply do not scale up like that

    What if it was an Egypt sized frog mech, piloted by billions of regular sized frogs?


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  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    I am not a scientist

  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Why do we even have the inverse square law?

    To stop us from getting big enough to punch god

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  • SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Why do we even have the inverse square law?

    the impossibility of mecha vs kaiju action is proof god hates me

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Hobnail wrote: »
    Presumably the frog the size of egypt dies roughly immediately upon manifestation due to total systemic structural integrity failure, frog parts simply do not scale up like that
    yeah and then you, as a poor egyptian, are drenched into a literal flood of frog guts

    so i mean i stand by my statement that one frog would be worse

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  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    Imagine the size of the prince you could get from kissing that frog.

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Grislo wrote: »
    Imagine the size of the prince you could get from kissing that frog.

    Before or after he's exploded?

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    After it explodes everyone’s lip-deep in frog slurry, not enough prince to go round.

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    tynic wrote: »
    After it explodes everyone’s lip-deep in frog slurry, not enough prince to go round.

    Dang, is that where the Little Prince came from?

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 12
    Fleeing to a deserted moon to escape ravening hoards of royalty-obsessed Egyptian women covered in frog viscera?

    Well it would explain everything except the French.

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  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    Princes are typically rich, and we know what to do with the rich. A big frog could go a long way towards solving hunger.

    And yes, you're thinking 'why not eat the frog?', but on the frog you'd traditionally eat the legs, but a prince? You can eat all of that. And then sell his crown.

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  • MidniteMidnite Down by the bonfireRegistered User regular
    Frog Slurry and The Not-Enough Prince is the name of my folk punk/bluegrass concept album.

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  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    Do you think the Little Prince actually lived on a regular-sized planet and only thought it was some kind of asteroid

  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    edited September 12
    Oh I didnt mean to make the Egypt sized totally collapsed frog sound like an attractive option

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    Hobnail wrote: »
    Oh I didnt mean to make the Egypt sized totally collapsed frog sound like an attractive option

    you didn't?

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  • sarukunsarukun RIESLING OCEANRegistered User regular
    edited September 13
    Midnite wrote: »
    Frog Slurry and The Not-Enough Prince is the name of my folk punk/bluegrass concept album.

    Fuck, that’s an incredible band name.

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  • PeasPeas Registered User regular
    The Nuclear Fallout They Kept Secret 13:19

    Kodak detected the first atomic bomb before anyone else figured it out. Then they made a deal not to tell anyone.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited September 28
    This might be too broad of a question, but I'll ask in case someone smarter than I am can answer it:

    What are the most significant impacts the Protestant Reformation had on the world in the time frame shortly after it happened, and what are the most significant ways the world be different today had it never happened?

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    right off hand, the HRE and england not giving a shit about the pope was an enormous deal

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  • JedocJedoc Bringing the past to life so we can beat it to death with a shovelRegistered User regular
    I wouldn't have this alimony check to deal with, am I right?

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  • The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    The thirty year war still happens but is probably smaller

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  • IronKnuckle's GhostIronKnuckle's Ghost Registered User regular
    A big one is that the split immediately added religious tensions to the big list of reasons for European powers to fight against each other. England going Protestant set up an inevitable rivalry with the Spanish Empire which remained Catholic, and the two nations' lust for and later dependency upon global colonization brought them into frequent conflict.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    I'm assuming since a large number of American colonists were motivated by fleeing religious persecution in European countries (before then practicing religious persecution themselves) the U.S.A. wouldn't be a thing, and any colonial presence in the Americas would be unrecognizable in relation to their Protestant counterparts.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    edited September 28
    the pilgrims didn't flee persecution, they were asked to leave because they weirded everybody out and went way too hard in the paint

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  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    You could say the USA was the English dumping ground for tightwad religious nutjobs in the same way Australia is Englands' prison.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    I just Googled "alternate history no protestant reformation". First thing I saw was "Capitalism required the Protestant Work Ethic to spread", so I guess Capitalism is all Martin Luther's fault.

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  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    I just Googled "alternate history no protestant reformation". First thing I saw was "Capitalism required the Protestant Work Ethic to spread", so I guess Capitalism is all Martin Luther's fault.

    That is a 19th century narrative which was championed by Weber

    19th century narratives have a habit of sticking in the popular consciousness

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    the pilgrims didn't flee persecution, they were asked to leave because they weirded everybody out and went way too hard in the paint

    Yeah they were kicked out of the UK for being incredibly shitty to Catholics/others. It was the usual narrative, "Freedom to do what, exactly."
    Anyway without the reformation, Europe as we know it would be fundamentally unrecognizable. I don't even know where you'd begin - would germany have ever formed up into an actual country? Maybe not!

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  • DoodmannDoodmann Registered User regular
    Wouldn't some kind of anti-orthodox split come about anyway around that time even if it didn't come from Martin Luther and his 95 Thesis?

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited September 28
    I don't do enough reading on history, but I might need to revisit Susan Jacoby's "Strange Gods: A Secular History of Conversion". It details Christianity's evolution and impact on history (it also was the first thing I read that made it explicit that American slavery was a frighteningly effective conversion tool to Christianity, a realization I found very disturbing).

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 28
    Doodmann wrote: »
    Wouldn't some kind of anti-orthodox split come about anyway around that time even if it didn't come from Martin Luther and his 95 Thesis?

    I was taking the question to mean "what if it didn't (split)", not "what if Luther wasn't around." He wasn't the only person thinking along those lines, natch. So you'd have to assume that the Church managed to squash the general discontent thoroughly enough that it never erupted into mass violence and rebellion. I don't know if this postulate considers the UK church schism to be part of the reformation or a separate thing, either.
    I guess to me this is a fundamentally unanswerable questions because the knock-on effects are so extreme, you could make an argument for it resulting in basically any kind of present you think of.

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 28
    for a fun semi-fictionalised account of the reformation in the germanic states, I recommend "Q" (yeah I know)
    The history is basically all real, it just invents a few people and narrative threads.

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  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    You'd first need to come up with reasons why the Reformation didn't happen or stick and go from there

    There were several movements predating Luther, he was lucky enough to gain political protection

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited September 28
    Strange Gods basically argues that the printing press, rising literacy rates, and the ability to publish pamphlets in languages people could read contradicting Catholicism was a very significant factor in the spread of Protestantism. Stopping the Protestant Reformation might have depended on stricter restrictions on expression and the owners of printing presses.

    Strange Gods is also why I think of the Internet as a kind of super printing press and publisher and the current age as similar to the Protestant Reformation in terms of the ability to spread ideas that normally never would have gotten traction and the destabilization that results from this unprecedented freedom.

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  • SanderJKSanderJK Crocodylus Pontifex Sinterklasicus Madrid, 3000 ADRegistered User regular
    The thirty year war alone was fairly massive. It depopulated Germany. (I recall hearing 30% of the population died?) Its peace treaty made the Netherlands a country in the sense that all major powers recognized it. Without the 30 year war, Spain may well have reconquered the Netherlands.
    The thirty year war also empowered France compared to Germany and Spain, a shift in European politics.

    But it's almost impossible to speculate, because 1500-1650 saw a massive shift on almost every terrain. I find it hard to disentangle it.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    tynic wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    the pilgrims didn't flee persecution, they were asked to leave because they weirded everybody out and went way too hard in the paint

    Yeah they were kicked out of the UK for being incredibly shitty to Catholics/others. It was the usual narrative, "Freedom to do what, exactly."
    Anyway without the reformation, Europe as we know it would be fundamentally unrecognizable. I don't even know where you'd begin - would germany have ever formed up into an actual country? Maybe not!

    I also don't really see how a Christian Europe could have ever avoided a religious upheaval. There were many religious-political uprisings remarkably similar to the reformation that happened in the centuries before Martin Luther did the thing. The reformation became a big deal where these other only ended up fairly localized affairs mainly because of the printing press plus just general increased channels of communication in Europe. Plus there were tons and tons of people who had a vested interest in weakening the Vatican's power.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 28
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    the pilgrims didn't flee persecution, they were asked to leave because they weirded everybody out and went way too hard in the paint

    The old joke is "Oh that's a typo, it's they fled to commit persecution"

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