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And Strucker and Pierce and several US Senators and half of SHIELD and...it was a big thing.
my interpretation was they were the best assassins "before" the serum and the serum just made them like cap. it's weird what we do/don't know about them though. Bucky says they could sort of be controlled but the scene shows bucky getting the russian guy out and the next we see them is on ice so...who knows? pretty open to interpretation i guess.
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Yeah, especially after getting iced like that.
Oooo I did.
Like everyone other than Cap, the assassins got a flawed version of the serum. That particular version apparently made them very aggressive and volatile, which makes sense considering what happened to Banner.
I think Zola must have come very close to a successful version using what was left of Erskine's work in progress - the one the Red Skull took - and god knows whatever else that he gave Bucky. Only then they ran out of the Erskine formula and had to use the SSR's inferior attempt to reproduce it, hence the rage issues.
Lots of people were HYDRA in that movie, that's why it's a massive fire fight at SHIELD HQ. It gets extra messy in AoS.
Zemo is kind of a fun meta-character this way; the protagonists obviously by now have too much plot armor to fall against any external villain, so he gets them to fight each other
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
The other Winter Soldiers were barely controlled. They showed that in the flashback scene where they killed everyone in the room, and when Steve asks Bucky
Steve: "Could the doctor control them?"
Bucky: "Enough"
Bucky was the scalpel, the others were the hammer.
Because they wanted Fury killed quietly. When Steve became involved, Bucky was already there. The aftermath of the attack on the bridge was because Steve and the rest escaped, it wasn't part of the plan for them to have a running shootout across the city like that.
They were a failed experiment the same way all failed experiments with the super soldier serum go. They think that they can make the perfect soldier out of hardened killers who take orders, and it fails because the serum makes you mentally more of what you already are. So Hydra's kill team, who don't care who they're out to kill, becomes a bunch of indiscriminate killers.
That was a tie-in back to the first movie where Dr. Erskine spells it out.
Like, any hydra agent super or not could have run the starks off the road, i just thought it was silly that they used the winter soldier for that since it seemed to be a "big deal" whenever he was brought out of freezing.
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I thought that before seeing the movie. (Bucky killing the Starks was a popular theory prior to release). The presence of super soldier serum however upgrades it from a simple assassination to "We need our best agent on this job."
Toppling governments isn't the same thing as performing an assassination with no witnesses. From what was shown, the other Winter Soldiers weren't controlled very well. They could topple governments, but they probably wouldn't follow orders as well as Bucky. Besides, the whole point of the Starks mission was to get the serum to make the other winter soldiers in the first place.
I don't think they woke Bucky up and said "Run the Starks off the road". They told him he had a target and gave him the parameters, and he planned it out from there. It was a high value target so they sent in the guy who had succeeded at all his missions up to that point.
Sure, anyone could run the Starks off the road, but Bucky probably had to plan out the mission on his own and just picked that as the best way to do it.
Toppling a government and replacing it with the one you want takes planning and precision.
The extra winter soldiers could do the former, but not the latter. Captain America's worry was that Zemo could do the latter if he got control of the extra soldiers.
He pulls up along the right side of the car and slams it with his left arm.
I don't think even MCI movie physics will allow someone on a motorcycle to push a car off a road with their arm.
The initial assassination attempt on Fury was a bunch of dudes machine gunning his SUV in downtown DC. They wanted Fury dead very loudly in order to scare the World Security Council Holograms into pushing ahead with Insight over everyone's objections.
He throws an explosive device into the car window. Hence the explosion.
Actually rewatching Winter Soldier, Pierces manipulation of the Security Council makes no sense:
1st he claims that Fury is a hero, and that is why Insight was put on hold
2nd upon learning that Fury was behind the boat incident starts to say that Fury might be a traitor
3rd says that since Fury was against Insight, it means that they must rush ahead with Insight.
This completely ignores that Fury was just assassinated by an unknown force, and Fury was against Insight, so that means that by charging forward with Insight, they are playing into his assassins hands. (I understand that Pierce knows all this, and it is what he is trying to manipulate the council for, but the rest of the Council were not Hydra, and seem especially prone to manipulation. Combined with their unleashing a nuke of questionable effectiveness on NY during the 'incident' and I really start to agree with Cap about oversight)
Captain America is always in favor of being accountable to the world, he just refuses to let them choose which situations they are allowed to be involved in. He would rather ask for forgiveness than permission.
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Pierce manipulated things so that these are the assumptions that the WSC would make, while he could profess Fury's innocence, making the decision to reactivate insight look like it was happening against Pierce's wishes. Basically he used reverse psychology. "fury was innocent! Don't launch insight!" "you had a traitor working under you so we won't trust your judgment! Launch insight!"
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Seems to me a potentially compromised superweapon isn't something you want to rush into use.
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that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
IIRC, they specifically rescind delaying insight because the request came from Fury.