It's still not perfect in 10; or I'm just a Luddite about this stuff. Both my monitors are the same resolution, but for whatever reason, the OS still has trouble properly sizing multimonitor wallpapers. Similarly, it should be able to scale a high-res image to fit both screens (for example, if I download a high res landscape pic from /r/earthporn, and the resolution is higher than the combined resolution of my monitors, I would expect the tech to be mature enough at this point to make it fit without cropping out parts of the image).
It's still not perfect in 10; or I'm just a Luddite about this stuff. Both my monitors are the same resolution, but for whatever reason, the OS still has trouble properly sizing multimonitor wallpapers. Similarly, it should be able to scale a high-res image to fit both screens (for example, if I download a high res landscape pic from /r/earthporn, and the resolution is higher than the combined resolution of my monitors, I would expect the tech to be mature enough at this point to make it fit without cropping out parts of the image).
You want it to distort the resolution to make it fit? Or black bars?
Bad example: if the image is 6480x1720, I want it to scale the image down to 5120x1440. If you choose "Fit" or "Stretch" or "Tile" in 10, none of them work to fix it.
Yes, I can throw the image into Paint and scale it down, but honestly this seems like something that is simple tech that should be native.
Bad example: if the image is 6480x1720, I want it to scale the image down to 5120x1440. If you choose "Fit" or "Stretch" or "Tile" in 10, none of them work to fix it.
Yes, I can throw the image into Paint and scale it down, but honestly this seems like something that is simple tech that should be native.
because I'm too lazy to do the math, are those resolutions the same aspect ratio?
Bad example: if the image is 6480x1720, I want it to scale the image down to 5120x1440. If you choose "Fit" or "Stretch" or "Tile" in 10, none of them work to fix it.
Yes, I can throw the image into Paint and scale it down, but honestly this seems like something that is simple tech that should be native.
because I'm too lazy to do the math, are those resolutions the same aspect ratio?
Bad example: if the image is 6480x1720, I want it to scale the image down to 5120x1440. If you choose "Fit" or "Stretch" or "Tile" in 10, none of them work to fix it.
Yes, I can throw the image into Paint and scale it down, but honestly this seems like something that is simple tech that should be native.
because I'm too lazy to do the math, are those resolutions the same aspect ratio?
I did the math and they are slightly different.
Well then there's the issue in that case. an image won't properly scale to a different aspect ratio without some form of cropping or letterboxing depending if you're going from big to small or small to big.
Bad example: if the image is 6480x1720, I want it to scale the image down to 5120x1440. If you choose "Fit" or "Stretch" or "Tile" in 10, none of them work to fix it.
Yes, I can throw the image into Paint and scale it down, but honestly this seems like something that is simple tech that should be native.
because I'm too lazy to do the math, are those resolutions the same aspect ratio?
I did the math and they are slightly different.
Well then there's the issue in that case. an image won't properly scale to a different aspect ratio without some form of cropping or letterboxing depending if you're going from big to small or small to big.
Stretch should distort the image to make it fit the resolution though.
Is this the right place to ask about setting up a Windows 7 and 10 dual boot (separate drives)? I primarily want 7 as a means of playing games that aren't supported/are poorly supported by Windows 10. I already attempted the dual boot, and fucked everything up. Both OSes started reading hard disks as corrupted, to the point where neither would boot once I tried to boot the other. I got them nuked from orbit and am currently running Windows 7 off my SSD, (chkdsk oh-so-helpfully changed permissions on my TB drive, which is where a lot of my games and documents reside, but I've got that worked out). So, how do I proceed from here? Are there any particular steps to installing 10 that I should follow for a proper dual-boot, and then what do I need to do to keep them from shitting the bed once 10 is installed?
I had figured this would be a fairly straightforward process, but now I've been basically without a pc for two days. I've been on full-time daddy duty for the last week so work on my PC is done largely while the kiddo is napping/asleep and when/if I'm not too exhausted to think clearly.
You know a VM would probably work out ok, to be honest. I've been working on this all morning and Windows 7's wonky behavior is driving me bonkers. Now it wants to run chkdsk on every boot and lo and behold attempts to change security to defaults on my storage every time which is enough of a hassle to make me say screw it.
When I say old games, I'm not talking about suuuuper old games, just oldrim, New Vegas, and older Bethsoft engines that don't play well with Windows 10. Oldrim I am super picky about the fact that ENBoost won't use more than 4gb of memory because of a random windows 10 patch sometime last year (it had been working fine before), and New Vegas straight up just CTD's on 10 for me as it does for many. It's mostly me just being finicky about these sorts of things. But yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and install Win10 and nuke 7 from orbit. Did they purposefully make it do this garbage retroactively? I ran 7 from beta until 10 dropped and *never* had these sorts of problems.
I'm absolutely no help when it comes to VM, but I actually do have both New Vegas and Skryim (never seen it called "Oldrim" before but that's not a bad name for it) running with heavy ENB on my Windows 10 setup--I ran into the same issues you encountered, I think, and was able to largely bypass them, so long as you specifically mean Bethesda titles. I might be able to help you, though it's not relevant to this thread (so PM me).
Soo.. I have 3 screens. My 27QHD cintiq, a normal PC monitor, and a TV. I'm trying to have my TV copy my Cintiq.. Whenever I do this, my Cintiq just loses its resolution and the screen becomes shitty. This makes sense, as my Cintiq is QHD and my TV isnt. But is there no way to just have my TV become a shittier copy of my nice CIntiq??
Soo.. I have 3 screens. My 27QHD cintiq, a normal PC monitor, and a TV. I'm trying to have my TV copy my Cintiq.. Whenever I do this, my Cintiq just loses its resolution and the screen becomes shitty. This makes sense, as my Cintiq is QHD and my TV isnt. But is there no way to just have my TV become a shittier copy of my nice CIntiq??
no. If you're mirroring screens it can only display at the highest *common* resolution between the two displays.
Soo.. I have 3 screens. My 27QHD cintiq, a normal PC monitor, and a TV. I'm trying to have my TV copy my Cintiq.. Whenever I do this, my Cintiq just loses its resolution and the screen becomes shitty. This makes sense, as my Cintiq is QHD and my TV isnt. But is there no way to just have my TV become a shittier copy of my nice CIntiq??
no. If you're mirroring screens it can only display at the highest *common* resolution between the two displays.
Anyone here have a surface pro 4? I have a pro 2 and for a variety of reasons it seems to struggle performing some things, generally due to overheating related problems. I briefly considered the recently announced surface laptops but since I want to install non windows store software the OS (10s) became a show stopper. Spec wise it seems to match what I'm looking for but I haven't researched into whether there are known issues with the hardware (similar to the overheating issues I mentioned with the 2). Anyone have experience they can lend?
I'm trying to avoid a true laptop if possible since I like the small form factor, but that kinda leads to the issue I brought up. Plan is that the device would be for traveling but multi consecutive hour usage when in use.
Anyone here have a surface pro 4? I have a pro 2 and for a variety of reasons it seems to struggle performing some things, generally due to overheating related problems. I briefly considered the recently announced surface laptops but since I want to install non windows store software the OS (10s) became a show stopper. Spec wise it seems to match what I'm looking for but I haven't researched into whether there are known issues with the hardware (similar to the overheating issues I mentioned with the 2). Anyone have experience they can lend?
I'm trying to avoid a true laptop if possible since I like the small form factor, but that kinda leads to the issue I brought up. Plan is that the device would be for traveling but multi consecutive hour usage when in use.
the Surface Laptop will allow you to upgrade to Win10 Pro for free until the end of 2017, so you can remove any fear of Windows 10 S for now.
That does remind me I should write something up about 10 S. Have a feeling there will be a lot of questions over time.
For the Pro 4 specifically, I wouldn't buy it because the hardware is already a year old, and I'm just not a fan of buying something brand new that already has that much age in the technology space. I know there were also massive issues with the firmware early on, due to the clusterfuck that skylake on portable systems was, but I believe that is mostly sorted out now.
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The Surface Laptop having only 4GB of RAM seems like a weird bit of penny pinching. So few computers come with less than 8GB, and the damn thing is a grand.
The Surface Laptop as a piece of hardware is absurd. I want to like it so much, but it's absurd. The fabric wrist wrest is going to look like garbage after about 6 months and there's nothing you can do about it. No USB-C at all in 2017 is inexcusable. 4GB of ram in a $1000US computer is inexcusable.
I really want to like this device. It's gorgeous. It is also something absolutely no one should buy.
The Surface Laptop having only 4GB of RAM seems like a weird bit of penny pinching. So few computers come with less than 8GB, and the damn thing is a grand.
IDK, probably baselined to hit that entry level pricing vs the rest of the hw? Who knows.
I'm still puttering along with my OG Surface Pro. :hydra:
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Anyone here have a surface pro 4? I have a pro 2 and for a variety of reasons it seems to struggle performing some things, generally due to overheating related problems. I briefly considered the recently announced surface laptops but since I want to install non windows store software the OS (10s) became a show stopper. Spec wise it seems to match what I'm looking for but I haven't researched into whether there are known issues with the hardware (similar to the overheating issues I mentioned with the 2). Anyone have experience they can lend?
I'm trying to avoid a true laptop if possible since I like the small form factor, but that kinda leads to the issue I brought up. Plan is that the device would be for traveling but multi consecutive hour usage when in use.
the Surface Laptop will allow you to upgrade to Win10 Pro for free until the end of 2017, so you can remove any fear of Windows 10 S for now.
That does remind me I should write something up about 10 S. Have a feeling there will be a lot of questions over time.
For the Pro 4 specifically, I wouldn't buy it because the hardware is already a year old, and I'm just not a fan of buying something brand new that already has that much age in the technology space. I know there were also massive issues with the firmware early on, due to the clusterfuck that skylake on portable systems was, but I believe that is mostly sorted out now.
i am of the same opinion. it was kind of a base case just to have a starting comparision. i was unaware of the upgrade though. regardless i agree the hardware provided is pretty bad but i discovered that after the 10 vs 10S "issue". i think i am with you that i want to like it but can't justify it.
i do want to replace my pro 2, but probably just going to keep looking.
The Surface Laptop as a piece of hardware is absurd. I want to like it so much, but it's absurd. The fabric wrist wrest is going to look like garbage after about 6 months and there's nothing you can do about it.
Just throw the whole thing in the washing machine.
Being more serious now:
I would wait for the surface pro 5. The surface 4 isn't just a year old, it will be 2 years old come october. I think windows was waiting for availability of kaby lake and the creator's update for windows 10 for the pro 5. They tend to make releases in the fall, so I'd expect to see the surface 5 (or at least an announcement) some time around then.
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The Surface keyboards do a good job of not getting disgusting, so that's the least of my concerns with the new one.
The Surface keyboards do a good job of not getting disgusting, so that's the least of my concerns with the new one.
The material on this is not like the regular surface keyboads. It's the same material as the signature edition typecover, which is a fabric material and not the more vinyl/plasticy material on the regular cover. People who have ti say it gets real dirty real quick....
The Surface Laptop having only 4GB of RAM seems like a weird bit of penny pinching. So few computers come with less than 8GB, and the damn thing is a grand.
IDK, probably baselined to hit that entry level pricing vs the rest of the hw? Who knows.
I'm still puttering along with my OG Surface Pro. :hydra:
Bumping the memory to 8gb increases the price by $300. This is a ludicrous attempt to take advantage of people who don't know any better.
The Surface Laptop having only 4GB of RAM seems like a weird bit of penny pinching. So few computers come with less than 8GB, and the damn thing is a grand.
IDK, probably baselined to hit that entry level pricing vs the rest of the hw? Who knows.
I'm still puttering along with my OG Surface Pro. :hydra:
Bumping the memory to 8gb increases the price by $300. This is a ludicrous attempt to take advantage of people who don't know any better.
If I were to buy a new laptop or tablet I certainly wouldn't buy one with 4gb.
That said, the real question is whether the baseline of 4gb memory at this point in time is still sufficient for a casual user to warrant the 8gb option being an upsell?
IMO, it kind of still is... IDK.
edit: I would prefer that it wasn't the case though.
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The Surface Laptop having only 4GB of RAM seems like a weird bit of penny pinching. So few computers come with less than 8GB, and the damn thing is a grand.
IDK, probably baselined to hit that entry level pricing vs the rest of the hw? Who knows.
I'm still puttering along with my OG Surface Pro. :hydra:
Bumping the memory to 8gb increases the price by $300. This is a ludicrous attempt to take advantage of people who don't know any better.
If I were to buy a new laptop or tablet I certainly wouldn't buy one with 4gb.
That said, the real question is whether the baseline of 4gb memory at this point in time is still sufficient for a casual user to warrant the 8gb option being an upsell?
IMO, it kind of still is... IDK.
edit: I would prefer that it wasn't the case though.
Honestly, with the amount of RAM that you just just browsing the web now, yea 8GB should be the minimum on a system you are buying in 2017 and hope to be using 3+ years from now.
I have a surface pro 4 and I love it, that said, I would wait for the pro 5 if you could. It's going on two years old and they don't really get age discounts so for the price you are going to pay you should get the latest and greatest. That said, best computer / laptop / tablet I've ever had. I use the dock and it's lived up to the task of replacing my desktop as well.
updated the OP with brief words about Windows 10 S, as well as Windows 10 version support.
After chewing on it for a few days, I really like the idea of Windows 10 S. It isn't for me, it isn't for most people reading this forum, but for a coffee table laptop, something where 95% of what someone does with it is in a web browser, which lets face it is most of computing nowadays, it's probably fine.
I want to get a device with it to test, just to see if I could live without Win32 apps on a secondary PC. The lack of Chrome really hurts, but I could probably get by.
Windows 10 S really is the future of the mainstream computer for the general public (again, not the people reading this forum). It'll be interesting to see how this goes.
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7?? So i'm guessing they probably fixed this shit for 8.1 and 10, baah
Oh wow this thing is super slick and works perfectly, thanks!!!
You've got it--the multi-scaling stuff is all introduced in 8 (or 8.1?) and very slightly refined (if at all) in 10.
You want it to distort the resolution to make it fit? Or black bars?
Yes, I can throw the image into Paint and scale it down, but honestly this seems like something that is simple tech that should be native.
because I'm too lazy to do the math, are those resolutions the same aspect ratio?
I did the math and they are slightly different.
Well then there's the issue in that case. an image won't properly scale to a different aspect ratio without some form of cropping or letterboxing depending if you're going from big to small or small to big.
Stretch should distort the image to make it fit the resolution though.
I had figured this would be a fairly straightforward process, but now I've been basically without a pc for two days. I've been on full-time daddy duty for the last week so work on my PC is done largely while the kiddo is napping/asleep and when/if I'm not too exhausted to think clearly.
Much less hassle than dealing with dual booting, and will be slightly more secure once Win7 stops getting security updates.
When I say old games, I'm not talking about suuuuper old games, just oldrim, New Vegas, and older Bethsoft engines that don't play well with Windows 10. Oldrim I am super picky about the fact that ENBoost won't use more than 4gb of memory because of a random windows 10 patch sometime last year (it had been working fine before), and New Vegas straight up just CTD's on 10 for me as it does for many. It's mostly me just being finicky about these sorts of things. But yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and install Win10 and nuke 7 from orbit. Did they purposefully make it do this garbage retroactively? I ran 7 from beta until 10 dropped and *never* had these sorts of problems.
no. If you're mirroring screens it can only display at the highest *common* resolution between the two displays.
It's literally a mirror.
Theres no way of haxxoring this thing at all???
I'm trying to avoid a true laptop if possible since I like the small form factor, but that kinda leads to the issue I brought up. Plan is that the device would be for traveling but multi consecutive hour usage when in use.
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the Surface Laptop will allow you to upgrade to Win10 Pro for free until the end of 2017, so you can remove any fear of Windows 10 S for now.
That does remind me I should write something up about 10 S. Have a feeling there will be a lot of questions over time.
For the Pro 4 specifically, I wouldn't buy it because the hardware is already a year old, and I'm just not a fan of buying something brand new that already has that much age in the technology space. I know there were also massive issues with the firmware early on, due to the clusterfuck that skylake on portable systems was, but I believe that is mostly sorted out now.
I really want to like this device. It's gorgeous. It is also something absolutely no one should buy.
IDK, probably baselined to hit that entry level pricing vs the rest of the hw? Who knows.
I'm still puttering along with my OG Surface Pro. :hydra:
They may be directly on the MB, like the previous Surface models. So... technically yes but you'd have to be good at soldering?
edit: nobody's done a teardown yet that I can find. so this is speculation.
i am of the same opinion. it was kind of a base case just to have a starting comparision. i was unaware of the upgrade though. regardless i agree the hardware provided is pretty bad but i discovered that after the 10 vs 10S "issue". i think i am with you that i want to like it but can't justify it.
i do want to replace my pro 2, but probably just going to keep looking.
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HA- AHAHAHAHA.
Just throw the whole thing in the washing machine.
Being more serious now:
I would wait for the surface pro 5. The surface 4 isn't just a year old, it will be 2 years old come october. I think windows was waiting for availability of kaby lake and the creator's update for windows 10 for the pro 5. They tend to make releases in the fall, so I'd expect to see the surface 5 (or at least an announcement) some time around then.
The material on this is not like the regular surface keyboads. It's the same material as the signature edition typecover, which is a fabric material and not the more vinyl/plasticy material on the regular cover. People who have ti say it gets real dirty real quick....
https://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-ca/accessories/signature-type-cover
Bumping the memory to 8gb increases the price by $300. This is a ludicrous attempt to take advantage of people who don't know any better.
If I were to buy a new laptop or tablet I certainly wouldn't buy one with 4gb.
That said, the real question is whether the baseline of 4gb memory at this point in time is still sufficient for a casual user to warrant the 8gb option being an upsell?
IMO, it kind of still is... IDK.
edit: I would prefer that it wasn't the case though.
Honestly, with the amount of RAM that you just just browsing the web now, yea 8GB should be the minimum on a system you are buying in 2017 and hope to be using 3+ years from now.
After chewing on it for a few days, I really like the idea of Windows 10 S. It isn't for me, it isn't for most people reading this forum, but for a coffee table laptop, something where 95% of what someone does with it is in a web browser, which lets face it is most of computing nowadays, it's probably fine.
I want to get a device with it to test, just to see if I could live without Win32 apps on a secondary PC. The lack of Chrome really hurts, but I could probably get by.
Windows 10 S really is the future of the mainstream computer for the general public (again, not the people reading this forum). It'll be interesting to see how this goes.