don't deny your viking heritage: you know you have a deep ancestral urge to disembark from dragon ships and form a shield wall and then have a saga writer assign you a pithy quote
for sure but I also have dreams about overthrowing the tsar and all other kings, gods etc and raising the red/black banner over a burning barricade
Unlikely here, tho
related: cartoon from 1919
- Nå, hvor langt har dere kommet med revolusjonen i Norge?
- Foreløpig slåss vi om hvordan den skal staves!
Why do I fight sleep so hard at night and then fight to stay asleep in the morning
Am I not a Rational being
Should I not learn my lesson taught many times over, and sleep when I need to sleep
She mused aloud, posting on her phone while fighting sleep
to answer mojo's question: because I am like this, and I have stuff to do in the morning, then just not sleeping is the safest way to ensure I can get up in the morning
@Jacobkosh plz describe some of the "fucking lunacy that diehard oldskool fans post on websites"
i mean i can guess i just want to be sure
A lot of the complaints are generic edition warrior horseshit. Like, releasing a new edition (10 years after the original!) is a 'money-grubbing ca$h-in' (yes I have really witnessed the dollar sign thing done unironically) done to 'rape the wallets' (another fun phrase!) of hard-working gamers everywhere.
And, of course, this complaint never cuts both ways. The endless treadmill of supplements for the person's preferred edition? That stuff was special and important, every word a cherished treasure.
But that shit is just par for the course; gamers do that for everything from D&D to Nobilis. The more specific complaints I have seen are a) new Mage is too grimdark (you're not magic heroes fighting oppressive scientists, you can be petty and polltical like Vampire or whatever) b) new Mage is not grimdark enough (one guy kept derailing the Mage 2E thread for months with his furious insistence to the lead developer (who was posting in the thread) that there be more mechanical support for playing human-sacrificing soul-eating liches) and c) it's more conservative/not a real World of Darkness game because the default mode of play isn't (or isn't sufficiently) anti-authoritarian.
This is probably the most serious complaint so I will address it most seriously: the game is a toolkit, it is clearly and explicitly labeled as such, and there is no default mode of play. The NWoD games do not tell you how to play them nearly as hard as the old ones did and they continually remind you that every setting element - this or that faction, this bit of backstory, whatever - is entirely optional and up to the consensus of the group. That said, while you aren't shoehorned into an anti-authoritarian role and are free to play power-grabbing dickheads, the villains of the setting are the timeless godhead incarnations of the concepts of hierarchy, organized religion, acquisitiveness, patriarchy, war, and omniscient surveillance, so I don't really feel like the critique that the company has somehow sold out to The Man or whatever holds any water.
I mean, I feel this way based on the merits of the game in and of itself, but it's especially jarring coming from old Mage fans, a game where playing as the villainous Technocracy has long been an accepted mode of play, and where - while I hasten to add that it's not a fault of the oMage setting or designers - the idea of cultural magic makes it very easy for players to act out some unfortunate cultural stereotypes. "You can tell my character is a shaman because he has a bone in his nose." So I feel like politically-motivated complaints coming from that sector are kind of glass-housey. (Also I think the politics of White Wolf's 90s games, while very energetic and well-intentioned, are probably best left in the 1990s.)
jake what are your opinions(tm) on Nobilis and oChangeling which are two systems I own but have only read never played
don't deny your viking heritage: you know you have a deep ancestral urge to disembark from dragon ships and form a shield wall and then have a saga writer assign you a pithy quote
for sure but I also have dreams about overthrowing the tsar and all other kings, gods etc and raising the red/black banner over a burning barricade
Unlikely here, tho
related: cartoon from 1919
- Nå, hvor langt har dere kommet med revolusjonen i Norge?
- Foreløpig slåss vi om hvordan den skal staves!
yes
is that about nynorsk/bokmål somehow, or just a hypothetical example of leftist petty bullshit factionalism?
don't deny your viking heritage: you know you have a deep ancestral urge to disembark from dragon ships and form a shield wall and then have a saga writer assign you a pithy quote
for sure but I also have dreams about overthrowing the tsar and all other kings, gods etc and raising the red/black banner over a burning barricade
Unlikely here, tho
related: cartoon from 1919
- Nå, hvor langt har dere kommet med revolusjonen i Norge?
- Foreløpig slåss vi om hvordan den skal staves!
- Now, how far have you come with the revolution in Norway?
- Currently we're fighting about how it should be spelled!
(context: we have two different written languages for norwegian and it is as dumb now as it was in 1919)
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@Jacobkosh plz describe some of the "fucking lunacy that diehard oldskool fans post on websites"
i mean i can guess i just want to be sure
A lot of the complaints are generic edition warrior horseshit. Like, releasing a new edition (10 years after the original!) is a 'money-grubbing ca$h-in' (yes I have really witnessed the dollar sign thing done unironically) done to 'rape the wallets' (another fun phrase!) of hard-working gamers everywhere.
And, of course, this complaint never cuts both ways. The endless treadmill of supplements for the person's preferred edition? That stuff was special and important, every word a cherished treasure.
But that shit is just par for the course; gamers do that for everything from D&D to Nobilis. The more specific complaints I have seen are a) new Mage is too grimdark (you're not magic heroes fighting oppressive scientists, you can be petty and polltical like Vampire or whatever) b) new Mage is not grimdark enough (one guy kept derailing the Mage 2E thread for months with his furious insistence to the lead developer (who was posting in the thread) that there be more mechanical support for playing human-sacrificing soul-eating liches) and c) it's more conservative/not a real World of Darkness game because the default mode of play isn't (or isn't sufficiently) anti-authoritarian.
This is probably the most serious complaint so I will address it most seriously: the game is a toolkit, it is clearly and explicitly labeled as such, and there is no default mode of play. The NWoD games do not tell you how to play them nearly as hard as the old ones did and they continually remind you that every setting element - this or that faction, this bit of backstory, whatever - is entirely optional and up to the consensus of the group. That said, while you aren't shoehorned into an anti-authoritarian role and are free to play power-grabbing dickheads, the villains of the setting are the timeless godhead incarnations of the concepts of hierarchy, organized religion, acquisitiveness, patriarchy, war, and omniscient surveillance, so I don't really feel like the critique that the company has somehow sold out to The Man or whatever holds any water.
I mean, I feel this way based on the merits of the game in and of itself, but it's especially jarring coming from old Mage fans, a game where playing as the villainous Technocracy has long been an accepted mode of play, and where - while I hasten to add that it's not a fault of the oMage setting or designers - the idea of cultural magic makes it very easy for players to act out some unfortunate cultural stereotypes. "You can tell my character is a shaman because he has a bone in his nose." So I feel like politically-motivated complaints coming from that sector are kind of glass-housey. (Also I think the politics of White Wolf's 90s games, while very energetic and well-intentioned, are probably best left in the 1990s.)
jake what are your opinions(tm) on Nobilis and oChangeling which are two systems I own but have only read never played
I tried reading Nobilis once and found the rulebook just impenetrable. Not, like, in a rules-are-hard-to-understand way but I literally had trouble reading the font on the page. So that is my mega-informed opinion on Nobilis.
oChangeling and oHunter are the oWoD games I know least about. I know quite a bit of Masquerade and have picked up a lot of Werewolf and Mage by osmosis but those things are big gaps in my knowledge.
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i like the poorly translated norwegian wikipedia page for it
"Ascension ( Latin : Ascensio Domini ) [1] is a Christian moveable festivity"
don't deny your viking heritage: you know you have a deep ancestral urge to disembark from dragon ships and form a shield wall and then have a saga writer assign you a pithy quote
for sure but I also have dreams about overthrowing the tsar and all other kings, gods etc and raising the red/black banner over a burning barricade
Unlikely here, tho
related: cartoon from 1919
- Nå, hvor langt har dere kommet med revolusjonen i Norge?
- Foreløpig slåss vi om hvordan den skal staves!
yes
is that about nynorsk/bokmål somehow, or just a hypothetical example of leftist petty bullshit factionalism?
nynorsk/bokmål. Or riksmål/landsmål as they were called in those times.
Mojo_JojoWe are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourseRegistered Userregular
Ronya, I am reading a fantasy economics novel. It is quite good but I would imagine you would hate it for being too basic and misrepresenting how such systems would really operate and be gamed
Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
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Why are the Scandinaviana awake? Has the sun already stopped setting for you?
the scandinavian forumers are all very bad at 'reasonable' bed times
also it's a public holiday tomorrow because of jesus and even if it wasn't I am currently quite unemployed
cinco de mayo is a jesus holiday in denmark?
Kristi Himmelfart which I think is maybe called Ascension in english happens to fall on the 5th of may this year
In addition, this is the date in 1945 when German forces in Denmark capitulated to English troops aka liberation for most of Denmark. Except the island of Bornholm.
Ronya, I am reading a fantasy economics novel. It is quite good but I would imagine you would hate it for being too basic and misrepresenting how such systems would really operate and be gamed
what's it
I recall squirming through Pratchett's Making Money
Why are the Scandinaviana awake? Has the sun already stopped setting for you?
the scandinavian forumers are all very bad at 'reasonable' bed times
also it's a public holiday tomorrow because of jesus and even if it wasn't I am currently quite unemployed
cinco de mayo is a jesus holiday in denmark?
Kristi Himmelfart which I think is maybe called Ascension in english happens to fall on the 5th of may this year
In addition, this is the date in 1945 when German forces in Denmark capitulated to English troops aka liberation for most of Denmark. Except the island of Bornholm.
well if that doesn't call for margaritas and fake mustaches i dunno what
I've always wanted to play a Vampire or Hunter game but the majority of the house players disliked it because it was "too easy to cheese out a character".
And then they'd make min maxed wildmages in AD&D and the cheesed spiked chain fighter in 3.5
Havelock2.0 on
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
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simonwolfi can feel a differencetoday, a differenceRegistered Userregular
i am tempted by the current humble bundle but I basically only want Mini Metro
I guess a 50% discount is worth it though
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Mojo_JojoWe are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourseRegistered Userregular
Ronya, I am reading a fantasy economics novel. It is quite good but I would imagine you would hate it for being too basic and misrepresenting how such systems would really operate and be gamed
what's it
I recall squirming through Pratchett's Making Money
The traitor baru cormorant
Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
Ronya, I am reading a fantasy economics novel. It is quite good but I would imagine you would hate it for being too basic and misrepresenting how such systems would really operate and be gamed
what's it
I recall squirming through Pratchett's Making Money
The traitor baru cormorant
I've heard good ones about that but I only read the free extract
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Ronya, I am reading a fantasy economics novel. It is quite good but I would imagine you would hate it for being too basic and misrepresenting how such systems would really operate and be gamed
what's it
I recall squirming through Pratchett's Making Money
Possibly the dagger and coin series, it has a bit of Medieval banking stuff
Ronya, I am reading a fantasy economics novel. It is quite good but I would imagine you would hate it for being too basic and misrepresenting how such systems would really operate and be gamed
what's it
I recall squirming through Pratchett's Making Money
The traitor baru cormorant
I've heard good ones about that but I only read the free extract
There has been more than one instance where I sort of wish they had included diagrams with the text
Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
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Mojo_JojoWe are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourseRegistered Userregular
Feeding the tiny human is complete.
Mojo returns to its slumber.
Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
I've always wanted to play a Vampire or Hunter game but the majority of the house players disliked it because it was "too easy to cheese out a character".
And then they'd make min maxed wildmages in AD&D and the cheesed spiked chain fighter in 3.5
Minmaxers are the worst
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
ok well if mojo's out i guess there's no reason for me to hang around
@Jacobkosh plz describe some of the "fucking lunacy that diehard oldskool fans post on websites"
i mean i can guess i just want to be sure
A lot of the complaints are generic edition warrior horseshit. Like, releasing a new edition (10 years after the original!) is a 'money-grubbing ca$h-in' (yes I have really witnessed the dollar sign thing done unironically) done to 'rape the wallets' (another fun phrase!) of hard-working gamers everywhere.
And, of course, this complaint never cuts both ways. The endless treadmill of supplements for the person's preferred edition? That stuff was special and important, every word a cherished treasure.
But that shit is just par for the course; gamers do that for everything from D&D to Nobilis. The more specific complaints I have seen are a) new Mage is too grimdark (you're not magic heroes fighting oppressive scientists, you can be petty and polltical like Vampire or whatever) b) new Mage is not grimdark enough (one guy kept derailing the Mage 2E thread for months with his furious insistence to the lead developer (who was posting in the thread) that there be more mechanical support for playing human-sacrificing soul-eating liches) and c) it's more conservative/not a real World of Darkness game because the default mode of play isn't (or isn't sufficiently) anti-authoritarian.
This is probably the most serious complaint so I will address it most seriously: the game is a toolkit, it is clearly and explicitly labeled as such, and there is no default mode of play. The NWoD games do not tell you how to play them nearly as hard as the old ones did and they continually remind you that every setting element - this or that faction, this bit of backstory, whatever - is entirely optional and up to the consensus of the group. That said, while you aren't shoehorned into an anti-authoritarian role and are free to play power-grabbing dickheads, the villains of the setting are the timeless godhead incarnations of the concepts of hierarchy, organized religion, acquisitiveness, patriarchy, war, and omniscient surveillance, so I don't really feel like the critique that the company has somehow sold out to The Man or whatever holds any water.
I mean, I feel this way based on the merits of the game in and of itself, but it's especially jarring coming from old Mage fans, a game where playing as the villainous Technocracy has long been an accepted mode of play, and where - while I hasten to add that it's not a fault of the oMage setting or designers - the idea of cultural magic makes it very easy for players to act out some unfortunate cultural stereotypes. "You can tell my character is a shaman because he has a bone in his nose." So I feel like politically-motivated complaints coming from that sector are kind of glass-housey. (Also I think the politics of White Wolf's 90s games, while very energetic and well-intentioned, are probably best left in the 1990s.)
jake what are your opinions(tm) on Nobilis and oChangeling which are two systems I own but have only read never played
I tried reading Nobilis once and found the rulebook just impenetrable. Not, like, in a rules-are-hard-to-understand way but I literally had trouble reading the font on the page. So that is my mega-informed opinion on Nobilis.
oChangeling and oHunter are the oWoD games I know least about. I know quite a bit of Masquerade and have picked up a lot of Werewolf and Mage by osmosis but those things are big gaps in my knowledge.
my half-finished campaign of old Vampire in a Dark Ages setting is the most GMing I've ever managed. I was quite bad at it. I've read a bunch of rpg books though, and spent a lot of time in my teens dreaming about telling stories
Nobilis and Changeling I both loved the feel of the setting but there were a lot of important details where I'm not sure how it was 'supposed' to work. I think both the books I have are the first editions so that maybe explains why a lot of it seems not always fully translated from the author's private notes and personal mental logic
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cinco de mayo is a jesus holiday in denmark?
Unlikely here, tho
related: cartoon from 1919
- Nå, hvor langt har dere kommet med revolusjonen i Norge?
- Foreløpig slåss vi om hvordan den skal staves!
That's not a chance I'm willing to take.
to answer mojo's question: because I am like this, and I have stuff to do in the morning, then just not sleeping is the safest way to ensure I can get up in the morning
oh yeah himmelspretten is tomorrow
I failed to notice this because I am, if not unemployed, quite underemployed
kind of one of those we all have to jump together things
and there's always someone who doesn't jump and ruins it
jake what are your opinions(tm) on Nobilis and oChangeling which are two systems I own but have only read never played
jesus popped back up to heaven tomorrow
interesting
i guess that explains the tacos
yes
is that about nynorsk/bokmål somehow, or just a hypothetical example of leftist petty bullshit factionalism?
Except in the UK where tacos are a rare and sought after thing but at least you can usually get an okay burrito now if you're in a city
- Now, how far have you come with the revolution in Norway?
- Currently we're fighting about how it should be spelled!
(context: we have two different written languages for norwegian and it is as dumb now as it was in 1919)
I tried reading Nobilis once and found the rulebook just impenetrable. Not, like, in a rules-are-hard-to-understand way but I literally had trouble reading the font on the page. So that is my mega-informed opinion on Nobilis.
oChangeling and oHunter are the oWoD games I know least about. I know quite a bit of Masquerade and have picked up a lot of Werewolf and Mage by osmosis but those things are big gaps in my knowledge.
"Ascension ( Latin : Ascensio Domini ) [1] is a Christian moveable festivity"
moveable festivity sounds neat
nynorsk/bokmål. Or riksmål/landsmål as they were called in those times.
Kristi Himmelfart which I think is maybe called Ascension in english happens to fall on the 5th of may this year
In addition, this is the date in 1945 when German forces in Denmark capitulated to English troops aka liberation for most of Denmark. Except the island of Bornholm.
each has its place and i would not presume to declare one better than the other
Puppies is mechanical keyboard shaming...
what's it
I recall squirming through Pratchett's Making Money
translating the term into a latin-derived name, before the latin is named, a+ translation there
EDIT: The article fails to mention that most people use the irreverent "himmelspretten". Shame, because it is one of my favourite names for a holiday.
well if that doesn't call for margaritas and fake mustaches i dunno what
Jake you sneaky papist
And then they'd make min maxed wildmages in AD&D and the cheesed spiked chain fighter in 3.5
I guess a 50% discount is worth it though
The traitor baru cormorant
I've heard good ones about that but I only read the free extract
Possibly the dagger and coin series, it has a bit of Medieval banking stuff
There has been more than one instance where I sort of wish they had included diagrams with the text
Mojo returns to its slumber.
Minmaxers are the worst
also it's bedtime
@Chanus u cut me deep
my half-finished campaign of old Vampire in a Dark Ages setting is the most GMing I've ever managed. I was quite bad at it. I've read a bunch of rpg books though, and spent a lot of time in my teens dreaming about telling stories
Nobilis and Changeling I both loved the feel of the setting but there were a lot of important details where I'm not sure how it was 'supposed' to work. I think both the books I have are the first editions so that maybe explains why a lot of it seems not always fully translated from the author's private notes and personal mental logic