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The controls are super weird, but make sense when you realize the game is basically Ultima Underworld in space. System Shock 2, while also a good game, stole a lot of the thunder of the original. It was more accessible and became a lot people's intro to the series who mis attributed many of the innovative things it did to Shock 2 instead of 1. Not to say that System Shock 2 isn't an important game, but Shock 1 was actually more ahead of its time but just didn't find the audience it needed. I guess a modern comparison would be Demons Souls vs Dark Souls (if Demons Souls was like half as successful).
It's still an amazing game, even with shitty controls.
Also, explosives
you want lots of explosives.
So it's just different enough to mess you up.
I imagine that the remake will probably offer both classic and modern/improved control schemes.
@Stormwatcher :
And drugs. All the drugs.
Night Dive's initial enhanced edition already has improved control schemes, it would be intensely out of place for their full remake to not have them.
I'm kinda hoping if it does the classic control scheme is buried behind something like
Are you sure?
No, really are you sure?
Look this is going to take a lot of getting used to and quite frankly it's going to fucking suck at first so are you absolutely sure?
I'm not kidding: Going. To. Suck. So... still sure?
Ok but don't come crying to me when you think it sucks because you aren't used to it and I better not see you crying on the internet about it, hacker"
After the first day, things slowed down to around 10k-25k per day. I'd expect that there'll be a surge in the last 24 hours.
It's clearly not going to be a Shenmue or Bloodstained, but 900k+ is nothing to sneeze at in crowdfunding land.
That all being said, yeah, I think a lot of people are more wary of backing kickstarter projects for games nowadays, as the list of failures/disappointments inevitably grows.
https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1598858095/system-shock/
Um
*edit*
Oh you mean currently running. Ok that makes sense.
To be honest, I've been holding off on backing so that I can time being the person who pushes it over the $900k line.
Yeah. I will re-iterate though that in Night Dive's case, I think they're going to AT A BARE MINIMUM deliver a finished product. I mean, y'all played the demo. That demo is already better than what we got with the finished product of MN9.
So yeah. They're gonna make their funding. Stretch goals... the thing for me is that stretch goals actually make me more nervous. I did layout design on two tabletop game books that were kickstarted, and in both cases I did a demo layout first for the KS, then later had to go back and do a full layout and let me tell you, the stretch goals made my life hell. It was like "Wait, you mean I have to now basically re-do the ENTIRE LAYOUT, add new pages, use an entirely different background stationary, oh, and the printer we use changed their rules, and I have to use these new images you had designed but you did them in raster, not vector, so they scale badly and we're going to spend six weeks arguing about it?"
Which is why that KS was abominably late. If we hadn't hit a single stretch goal? I could have delivered the final layout the day we finished.
base game is already super fucking great.
Also, not having a $250 tier from the get-go is always a mistake for video game kickstarters.
They added the $100 tier too late, and they still don't have a $250 tier.
I am backing at $350 and will remain there but I think $100 and $250 are critical tier levels to offer WITH a significant difference in content between the reward packages.
I'm not basing this on any particular statistics, mind you. This is my gut impression. But too many kickstarters don't properly bridge the gap between sub-$100 and above $300 and to me that is a huge error in judgment.
The pre-alpha is subject to huge change, but I missed the squawk-beep.
I also think it's quite interesting how many of the very high back tier ($3k+) entail getting like 10 or 20 or more copies of the collector's edition. The $3K tier is straight up called "Retailer" and just gives you 20 copies of the collector's edition. Presumably, if you sold each for $60, you'd get $6K, and so turn a significant profit on your backing. I'm not sure if that's a brilliant or cynical (or both!) backer bonus.
This project still has 20 days to go and it's less than 3% away from its initial funding goal, so it's in fine shape.
Remember that System Shock 2 was absolutely not a commercial success, with fewer than 100k copies sold in its first year. Its predecessor, System Shock 1, was a 100% single player FPS released in the year that came after Doom made multiplayer deathmatch a killer feature of FPS, and SS1 was also ultimately a money-losing project for the studio.
On the other hand, Bioshock was released about 8 years after SS2, and unlike SS2 received a media blitz and heavy promotion through Microsoft and Xbox. It's pretty fair to say that the vast majority of the people that would recognize Bioshock have never played a System Shock game and wouldn't recognize them.
I will always shed bitter tears for the lack of commercial success that Looking Glass Games achieved, especially with how far ahead of their time and how different every single game they made was.
This could use a little more elaboration:
According to its Wikipedia entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Shock_2#Reception), in the first 8 months of release, System Shock 2 sold close to 59k copies (58,671 to be specific). That is not so good for a game that was critically adored. That the System Shock KS already has nearly 25% of that number in backers in the first 12 days of the effort is not so bad.
The profit is intentional, a lot of kickstarters are building in levels like that for small game/hobby shops.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598858095/system-shock/posts/1634920
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@HappylilElf get on that tonight
I think this is a poorly designed pitch website, you have to scroll waaay down to see the stretch goals, they really should be front and center at this point.
You should have.
Not at the level I wanted but rent is due in a few days so :P
Co-op streaming SS2 right now. They are very tired.
edit: They got the 1.3Mil stretch goal.
Does that make sense? Seems steep.
Anyway, very interested to see where they go with this.
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