Godzilla is justice for man's hubris and ain't nothing more hubris like the gods
The gods must be craycray.
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godzilla is just a big glowing dinosaur, thor'd clean up, to say nothing of the hulk
Godzilla is a metaphor for an unstoppable force that you cannot fight against, conventionally or otherwise. He's either representing the horror of war inflicted on the Japanese people or the horror of war that the Japanese soldiers inflicted on others.
I think to make it work for a Thor story, you'd have him easily 'beat' Godzilla but in doing so he spreads out radiation and creates a much worse problem as a result. The entire thing is that you do not win when you fight Godzilla.
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I imagine Thor would try to zap Goji only for the bolt to be absorbed. Then Thor gets blasted with a magic boosted atomic ray and is knocked down. Goji then steps on him and Thor is down for a few minutes while the rest of the Avengers fight and fail.
Tony AKA The Human Hubris absolutely must have a giant, cool looking mecha to pilot, only for it to ultimately get torn to pieces.
i bet i could beat up godzilla just like charles barkley did before me
Uh excuse me that game ended in a tie
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Looking forward to the show. Feels like there is a great synergy that could be gained by doing human-centric shows with smaller budgets, then leaving the movies to be more kaiju driven.
How do people who are actually fans and know stuff feel about that Godzilla vs. King Kong movie that came out a little while ago? I watched most of it on a plane and stopped when
mecha Godzilla went rogue and it became pretty obvious that Godzilla and KK were going to team up to beat it and then almost certainly go back to the sea/the jungle
and it was fine but I wasn't blown away or anything but I also haven't been watching any of the new movies so I didn't know any of the characters beyond the Giant Protagonists.
The giant monster fights were great and the human plot ranged from fun to not in the way, so I definitely liked it. Couple things did bug me
getting rid of the native population of Skull Island between movies seemed like a very 'we don't know how to portray these people modern day in a non-problematic way so they're all dead now', and then manipulating the one surviving girl to manipulate Kong, and the whole guy who bathed in bleach / tap water stuff
Overall these have definitely had trouble balancing human plot and kaiju plot and GvK managed it the best so far
Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
The human comic relief in Godzilla vs Kong never really landed with me, and their entire impact on the plot resolves in maybe the single dumbest moment I’ve seen in a movie in a while
But the rest of the movie is the fun, silly kind of dumb, and I end up liking it a lot more than the second film! It knows why you’re there and doesn’t mess around, and the big action sequences are some of the best, silliest shit since the 70s
People complain about the human element in Godzilla King of the Monsters and it is DRAMATICALLY worse in Godzilla vs Kong, so...
Agreed, KotM actually makes you care about the human characters AND ties them into the plot while balancing an equal amount of kaiju action, which is more than I can say for the other two.
(And the BTS stuff on KotM is a fun watch, the director knows his kaiju history.)
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Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
I want a Blu Ray supercut of the trilogy with all of the human shit cut out. Just show me the big dumb monsters fighting and I will watch that movie every time I'm high.
Godzilla (2014) - Probably has the most artistic merit out of the Monsterverse films, but the movie gets in it's own way too much. They don't show a lot of Godzilla, opting for their cloverfied-esqe MUTOs and a human plot you will not give a single iota about because they kill of one of the two decent characters after 30 minutes. And when they do show Godzilla, the movie loves to do fakeouts where the show the monsters about to fight and then cut away. It sucks and it annoys me when people give this movie a free pass because it has good visuals and some decent tension.
Kong: Skull Island - Easily the best of the monsterverse films, and it's because it know precisely what it is and goes for it. It's a total monster mash all over the island, you see lots of monsters and Kong and while the human characters are pretty vapid, they're played extremely well by an allstar cast (Sam Jackon, John Goodman, Tom Hiddleston, Brie Larson and a scene stealing John C Rielly).
Godzilla: King of the Monsters - The moody, thoughtful trailers gave way to a movie that combines all of the negatives of giant monster movies (focus on humans with boring plots) with all of the overblowness of modern Hollywood blockbusters. It tries to have it all ways; fun monster mash, hollywood blickbuster, thoughtful analysis about humanities role in both the old world and the new titan reality, and it just doesn't work. Great soundtrack though, but should have been used with a different movie. Also killed off the returning characters from 2014.
Godzilla vs Kong
Like Skull Island, the movie knows what it is and doesn't try to get fancy. They successfully make Kong interesting as a character, even while the human cast is subpar. There is a definite sense that they had Millie Bobby Brown on contract for this movie and due to name recognition had to shoehorn her into the film, giving her an entirely useless subplot. Sine other stuff is underbaked as well (the plot with Serizowa's son that didn't even START going anywhere). Still, the human element is mostly there to facilitate the monster action so it's mostly inobtrusive instead of boring or distracting.
Overall I'd rate them, best to worst
Kong: Skull Island
Godzilla vs Kong
Godzilla (2014)
Godzilla: King of the Monsters
Skull Island is definitely the best but G14 is my favorite. It's the exact mood that I love in movies and Aaron Taylor-Johnson isn't nearly as wooden in it as everyone says. His character is boring as shit but it's not his fault.
Are we talking comics Thor or MCU Thor? Because in the comics, Godzilla's superhero nemesis in the Marvel universe (because Godzilla was in the Marvel universe for a hot minute) was Dum Dum Dugan, to give you an idea of where he rated.
I mean yes, but also I remember reading an issue of that and the whole thing kinda reeked of "ha ha silly Japanese things, Godzilla is just a big green dinosaur".
It's a bit like saying "well of course Superman rates lower than Goku, there was a version of Superman in Dragon Ball and he was an afterthought to Goku", kind of thing.
But well, comparisons are hard anyway because there is no such thing as "Thor". There's fifty Thors depending on the year and run, running the gamut from the guy that struggles against Doctor Octopus to the guy that goes on planet-cracking adventures with his buddy Bill.
And It's not like Godzilla is entirely consistent either, there's a bunch of Godzillas on wildly disparate power levels.
Basically, trying to compare characters that have been around for seventy years and as many writers is kind of a fools errand!
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I'm watching (the MST3k of) Godzilla VS. The Sea Monster, and good lord, the Japanese movies' reliance on human subplots makes the 2014 movie look like Skull Island.
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Godzilla is just a big Dinosaur???
*paces around the room, fumin’*
The gods must be craycray.
Godzilla is a metaphor for an unstoppable force that you cannot fight against, conventionally or otherwise. He's either representing the horror of war inflicted on the Japanese people or the horror of war that the Japanese soldiers inflicted on others.
I think to make it work for a Thor story, you'd have him easily 'beat' Godzilla but in doing so he spreads out radiation and creates a much worse problem as a result. The entire thing is that you do not win when you fight Godzilla.
Uh excuse me that game ended in a tie
Learn ya history
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Tony AKA The Human Hubris absolutely must have a giant, cool looking mecha to pilot, only for it to ultimately get torn to pieces.
i will never learn anything new
Pretty sure that counts as learning something old.
Like I got that the movie was satirizing the painfully slow and bureaucratic response to that disaster but yo they really use those same trucks huh.
Overall these have definitely had trouble balancing human plot and kaiju plot and GvK managed it the best so far
But the rest of the movie is the fun, silly kind of dumb, and I end up liking it a lot more than the second film! It knows why you’re there and doesn’t mess around, and the big action sequences are some of the best, silliest shit since the 70s
Good stuff, I think!
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Agreed, KotM actually makes you care about the human characters AND ties them into the plot while balancing an equal amount of kaiju action, which is more than I can say for the other two.
(And the BTS stuff on KotM is a fun watch, the director knows his kaiju history.)
I guess the difference is there’s less focus
Or GvK is shorter so I was annoyed for less cumulative minutes, one or the other
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You can say a lot of things about KotM, but lacking action isn't one of them.
It's bad in GvK but it's boring in KotM.
I think MBB and Charles Dance carry the plot on their backs(and you get Ken Watanabe), so there's that.
And all I can think is it would be better if is was Ron Livingston.
Godzilla (2014) - Probably has the most artistic merit out of the Monsterverse films, but the movie gets in it's own way too much. They don't show a lot of Godzilla, opting for their cloverfied-esqe MUTOs and a human plot you will not give a single iota about because they kill of one of the two decent characters after 30 minutes. And when they do show Godzilla, the movie loves to do fakeouts where the show the monsters about to fight and then cut away. It sucks and it annoys me when people give this movie a free pass because it has good visuals and some decent tension.
Kong: Skull Island - Easily the best of the monsterverse films, and it's because it know precisely what it is and goes for it. It's a total monster mash all over the island, you see lots of monsters and Kong and while the human characters are pretty vapid, they're played extremely well by an allstar cast (Sam Jackon, John Goodman, Tom Hiddleston, Brie Larson and a scene stealing John C Rielly).
Godzilla: King of the Monsters - The moody, thoughtful trailers gave way to a movie that combines all of the negatives of giant monster movies (focus on humans with boring plots) with all of the overblowness of modern Hollywood blockbusters. It tries to have it all ways; fun monster mash, hollywood blickbuster, thoughtful analysis about humanities role in both the old world and the new titan reality, and it just doesn't work. Great soundtrack though, but should have been used with a different movie. Also killed off the returning characters from 2014.
Godzilla vs Kong
Like Skull Island, the movie knows what it is and doesn't try to get fancy. They successfully make Kong interesting as a character, even while the human cast is subpar. There is a definite sense that they had Millie Bobby Brown on contract for this movie and due to name recognition had to shoehorn her into the film, giving her an entirely useless subplot. Sine other stuff is underbaked as well (the plot with Serizowa's son that didn't even START going anywhere). Still, the human element is mostly there to facilitate the monster action so it's mostly inobtrusive instead of boring or distracting.
Overall I'd rate them, best to worst
Kong: Skull Island
Godzilla vs Kong
Godzilla (2014)
Godzilla: King of the Monsters
Kong: Skull Island
G: KotM
G 2014
GvK
I'm a Kong stan, but GvK was dire, I was big let down.
2014
and then I just get sad after that. Skull Island's the only one I've rewatched
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I mean yes, but also I remember reading an issue of that and the whole thing kinda reeked of "ha ha silly Japanese things, Godzilla is just a big green dinosaur".
It's a bit like saying "well of course Superman rates lower than Goku, there was a version of Superman in Dragon Ball and he was an afterthought to Goku", kind of thing.
But well, comparisons are hard anyway because there is no such thing as "Thor". There's fifty Thors depending on the year and run, running the gamut from the guy that struggles against Doctor Octopus to the guy that goes on planet-cracking adventures with his buddy Bill.
And It's not like Godzilla is entirely consistent either, there's a bunch of Godzillas on wildly disparate power levels.
Basically, trying to compare characters that have been around for seventy years and as many writers is kind of a fools errand!
Gamera, friend of children?