In the last few days I've read through the first 40 or so issues of USM, and even that I've found a bit 'male gazey' I guess, which gets even more uncomfortable when Gwen is getting hit on and reminds the dude that she's only 15 and he shouldn't be doing that.
You should also considering finding a way to play the USM video game since its canon
Ender I have no idea what your point is about that second image you posted. Spider-man has super strength! He tried to pull a punch and didn't do it well enough. Why is that some horrible thing?
Ender I have no idea what your point is about that second image you posted. Spider-man has super strength! He tried to pull a punch and didn't do it well enough. Why is that some horrible thing?
The premise that the narrative upholds is what I have a problem with ('I could totally kick your ass if I tried, sports guy / high school bully, so you better watch out!').
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@Bogart@Thomamelas I saw Nocturnal Animals tonight and it was very good. It's an independent movie about Amy Adams, LA art curator, stuck in a floundering marriage to a formerly-wealthy businessman whose business is going down the tubes and who may be having an affair. While he's away, she gets a box in the mail: a manuscript of a novel written by her first husband, whom she hasn't heard from in decades. She begins reading the novel, which is a thriller about a man (Jake Gyllenhaal) and his family being attacked by hillbillies on a lonely drive through west Texas, and what happens next; and while reading the novel, she begins musing on her original marriage (also to Jake Gyllenhaal).
It's meditative and chilly in that art-film way - lots of locked off shots, precise blocking, long pregnant pauses and so forth - but then the film within the film is looser and noirier. Everything is gorgeously filmed and the whole atmosphere, even in the real world, brims with nameless menace. I don't know if it's a timeless classic for the ages but it's very good and reminds me a lot of the kind of atmospheric, vibe-y indie movies I enjoyed in the 90s and early 00s, before that whole Garden State/Little Miss Sunshine era of mandatory whimsy.
Ender I have no idea what your point is about that second image you posted. Spider-man has super strength! He tried to pull a punch and didn't do it well enough. Why is that some horrible thing?
The premise that the narrative upholds is what I have a problem with ('I could totally kick your ass if I tried, sports guy / high school bully, so you better watch out!').
Why is that a problem though? He has super powers. He's a high school kid who is trying to keep his identity secret. He's a nerdy kid who has been bullied but instead of lashing out and taking revenge on his bully, he tries to keep it secret and fight crime instead.
That seems admirable!
Like, he totally could kick Flash Thompson's ass, and Flash would totally deserve it because he's a dick! But Peter is better than that. He knows he could murder the kid if he wanted to and no one could do anything, but he takes the high road.
At that point Spider Man was explicitly stated as being the fourth strongest character in the entire Marvel universe
The idea that he could beat up a high school bully if he really wanted to wasn't exactly wild and I'm struggling a bit to see what's problematic with that narrative
At that point Spider Man was explicitly stated as being the fourth strongest character in the entire Marvel universe
The idea that he could beat up a high school bully if he really wanted to wasn't exactly wild and I'm struggling a bit to see what's problematic with that narrative
Yes; the audience for this book is a bunch of nerds in high school. The vicarious fantasy being sold to them is how all those successful sports guys are just a bunch of assholes and they (the readers) are super great, really, and it's just that nobody respects it.
I don't think this was such a good vicarious fantasy.
EDIT: Also, I was told that it wasn't true that this is the material the old comics were selling, sans any lessons about power / responsibility. I offer those pages as evidence that I am being truthful in my assessment, regardless of whether people want to argue that the comics successfully justify the narrative.
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At that point Spider Man was explicitly stated as being the fourth strongest character in the entire Marvel universe
The idea that he could beat up a high school bully if he really wanted to wasn't exactly wild and I'm struggling a bit to see what's problematic with that narrative
Yes; the audience for this book is a bunch of nerds in high school. The vicarious fantasy being sold to them is how all those successful sports guys are just a bunch of assholes and they (the readers) are super great, really, and it's just that nobody respects it.
I don't think this was such a good vicarious fantasy.
the primary comic-buying audience in 1962 was grade schoolers bro
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I need peanut butter I think
Drinking this stuff on an empty stomach is killing me
At that point Spider Man was explicitly stated as being the fourth strongest character in the entire Marvel universe
The idea that he could beat up a high school bully if he really wanted to wasn't exactly wild and I'm struggling a bit to see what's problematic with that narrative
Yes; the audience for this book is a bunch of nerds in high school. The vicarious fantasy being sold to them is how all those successful sports guys are just a bunch of assholes and they (the readers) are super great, really, and it's just that nobody respects it.
I don't think this was such a good vicarious fantasy.
Flash is pretty clearly a dick though. Bullying towards nerds is absolutely a thing that happened and still happens. Bullying is kind of a huge problem.
And rather than go on a vicarious revenge fantasy, Peter takes the moral path and uses his powers for good and tries to ignore his bully.
I do not understand why you think this is bad.
Like, a lot of those successful sports guys are assholes. But Peter doesn't go on some weird rampage through them, he recognizes their bullying shit is petty and moves past it. He's a fantastic role model in that respect.
It's a bunch of white dudes on Skype discussing conspiracy theories.
This is amazing. It's like conspiracy theory bingo! In 15 minutes, they've covered:
Free square (9/11 was an inside job)
"Lee Oswald" didn't kill Kennedy
Nobody died at Sandy Hook
"Nobody died in Boston, either."
George Soros funded Jill Stein's recount campaign to get "Killary" elected
"Army psy-ops"
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
At that point Spider Man was explicitly stated as being the fourth strongest character in the entire Marvel universe
The idea that he could beat up a high school bully if he really wanted to wasn't exactly wild and I'm struggling a bit to see what's problematic with that narrative
Yes; the audience for this book is a bunch of nerds in high school. The vicarious fantasy being sold to them is how all those successful sports guys are just a bunch of assholes and they (the readers) are super great, really, and it's just that nobody respects it.
I don't think this was such a good vicarious fantasy.
the primary comic-buying audience in 1962 was grade schoolers bro
Eh
They were mostly buying Disney comics
Marvel deliberately targeted an older demo (though not much older)
At that point Spider Man was explicitly stated as being the fourth strongest character in the entire Marvel universe
The idea that he could beat up a high school bully if he really wanted to wasn't exactly wild and I'm struggling a bit to see what's problematic with that narrative
Yes; the audience for this book is a bunch of nerds in high school. The vicarious fantasy being sold to them is how all those successful sports guys are just a bunch of assholes and they (the readers) are super great, really, and it's just that nobody respects it.
I don't think this was such a good vicarious fantasy.
the primary comic-buying audience in 1962 was grade schoolers bro
HM. Okay, that is a fair point.
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It's a bunch of white dudes on Skype discussing conspiracy theories.
This is amazing. It's like conspiracy theory bingo! In 15 minutes, they've covered:
Free square (9/11 was an inside job)
"Lee Oswald" didn't kill Kennedy
Nobody died at Sandy Hook
"Nobody died in Boston, either."
George Soros funded Jill Stein's recount campaign to get "Killary" elected
"Army psy-ops"
@Bogart@Thomamelas I saw Nocturnal Animals tonight and it was very good. It's an independent movie about Amy Adams, LA art curator, stuck in a floundering marriage to a formerly-wealthy businessman whose business is going down the tubes and who may be having an affair. While he's away, she gets a box in the mail: a manuscript of a novel written by her first husband, whom she hasn't heard from in decades. She begins reading the novel, which is a thriller about a man (Jake Gyllenhaal) and his family being attacked by hillbillies on a lonely drive through west Texas, and what happens next; and while reading the novel, she begins musing on her original marriage (also to Jake Gyllenhaal).
It's meditative and chilly in that art-film way - lots of locked off shots, precise blocking, long pregnant pauses and so forth - but then the film within the film is looser and noirier. Everything is gorgeously filmed and the whole atmosphere, even in the real world, brims with nameless menace. I don't know if it's a timeless classic for the ages but it's very good and reminds me a lot of the kind of atmospheric, vibe-y indie movies I enjoyed in the 90s and early 00s, before that whole Garden State/Little Miss Sunshine era of mandatory whimsy.
You'll take your whimsy and you'll fucking like it Jacobkosh!
At that point Spider Man was explicitly stated as being the fourth strongest character in the entire Marvel universe
The idea that he could beat up a high school bully if he really wanted to wasn't exactly wild and I'm struggling a bit to see what's problematic with that narrative
Yes; the audience for this book is a bunch of nerds in high school. The vicarious fantasy being sold to them is how all those successful sports guys are just a bunch of assholes and they (the readers) are super great, really, and it's just that nobody respects it.
I don't think this was such a good vicarious fantasy.
Flash is pretty clearly a dick though. Bullying towards nerds is absolutely a thing that happened and still happens. Bullying is kind of a huge problem.
And rather than go on a vicarious revenge fantasy, Peter takes the moral path and uses his powers for good and tries to ignore his bully.
I do not understand why you think this is bad.
Like, a lot of those successful sports guys are assholes. But Peter doesn't go on some weird rampage through them, he recognizes their bullying shit is petty and moves past it. He's a fantastic role model in that respect.
Flash (in that era) is a narrative construct, not a person; he's a stereotype that a certain group of readers wants to believe applies to a large body of peers because it makes them feel better about their own faults. The real existence of bullies doesn't justify the stereotype or make the value judgment in the comic more worthwhile.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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I gave my stepdad his XMas gift last night. It was a bluray player, his previous one sucked and has been randomly refusing to read discs so last night when he got fed up and threw it out on the lawn I quietly dug out his new one and had him open it. He was quite appreciative.
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what's super weird is when adaptations of Spider-Man nowadays still include Flash Thompson as a bullying football jock who picks on Peter because... because something something nerrrrrrds?
it's super weird
an example is the Tobey Macguire movies where Flash bullies Peter for no real given reason at all
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i really hate when you walk into a room and someone follows you in and the door shuts behind them because of air pressure or spooky ghosts or whatever and you're like
i'm not trapped in here with you. you're trapped in here with me
and then you just give them belly rubs like no one ever has
and your cat is just like cool bro thanks can you open the door now
Jocks are dumb and so are sports, nerds and Spider-Man 4eva
*sparkly angelfire graphics here*
edit: Hey isn't there a weird rule about posting PA comics that is exempt from size limits or something? I imgur'd this down just to be sure but I thought there was.
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Kids are assholes?
That seems to be the reason most of the time
fuck gendered marketing
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I am always struck by how perfect Bad Santa is
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
It's a bunch of white dudes on Skype discussing conspiracy theories.
This is amazing. It's like conspiracy theory bingo! In 15 minutes, they've covered:
Free square (9/11 was an inside job)
"Lee Oswald" didn't kill Kennedy
Nobody died at Sandy Hook
"Nobody died in Boston, either."
George Soros funded Jill Stein's recount campaign to get "Killary" elected
"Army psy-ops"
That is interesting.
Is there a stated reason for the alleged Boston bombing hoax?
what's super weird is when adaptations of Spider-Man nowadays still include Flash Thompson as a bullying football jock who picks on Peter because... because something something nerrrrrrds?
it's super weird
an example is the Tobey Macguire movies where Flash bullies Peter for no real given reason at all
I'm not sure one really needs to explain why one kid ends up bullying another.
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You should also considering finding a way to play the USM video game since its canon
*looks at voting options*
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The premise that the narrative upholds is what I have a problem with ('I could totally kick your ass if I tried, sports guy / high school bully, so you better watch out!').
It's meditative and chilly in that art-film way - lots of locked off shots, precise blocking, long pregnant pauses and so forth - but then the film within the film is looser and noirier. Everything is gorgeously filmed and the whole atmosphere, even in the real world, brims with nameless menace. I don't know if it's a timeless classic for the ages but it's very good and reminds me a lot of the kind of atmospheric, vibe-y indie movies I enjoyed in the 90s and early 00s, before that whole Garden State/Little Miss Sunshine era of mandatory whimsy.
and he does restrain himself
this is giving me a tautological headache
Why is that a problem though? He has super powers. He's a high school kid who is trying to keep his identity secret. He's a nerdy kid who has been bullied but instead of lashing out and taking revenge on his bully, he tries to keep it secret and fight crime instead.
That seems admirable!
Like, he totally could kick Flash Thompson's ass, and Flash would totally deserve it because he's a dick! But Peter is better than that. He knows he could murder the kid if he wanted to and no one could do anything, but he takes the high road.
The idea that he could beat up a high school bully if he really wanted to wasn't exactly wild and I'm struggling a bit to see what's problematic with that narrative
Yes; the audience for this book is a bunch of nerds in high school. The vicarious fantasy being sold to them is how all those successful sports guys are just a bunch of assholes and they (the readers) are super great, really, and it's just that nobody respects it.
I don't think this was such a good vicarious fantasy.
EDIT: Also, I was told that it wasn't true that this is the material the old comics were selling, sans any lessons about power / responsibility. I offer those pages as evidence that I am being truthful in my assessment, regardless of whether people want to argue that the comics successfully justify the narrative.
the primary comic-buying audience in 1962 was grade schoolers bro
Drinking this stuff on an empty stomach is killing me
Flash is pretty clearly a dick though. Bullying towards nerds is absolutely a thing that happened and still happens. Bullying is kind of a huge problem.
And rather than go on a vicarious revenge fantasy, Peter takes the moral path and uses his powers for good and tries to ignore his bully.
I do not understand why you think this is bad.
Like, a lot of those successful sports guys are assholes. But Peter doesn't go on some weird rampage through them, he recognizes their bullying shit is petty and moves past it. He's a fantastic role model in that respect.
It's a bunch of white dudes on Skype discussing conspiracy theories.
This is amazing. It's like conspiracy theory bingo! In 15 minutes, they've covered:
Free square (9/11 was an inside job)
"Lee Oswald" didn't kill Kennedy
Nobody died at Sandy Hook
"Nobody died in Boston, either."
George Soros funded Jill Stein's recount campaign to get "Killary" elected
"Army psy-ops"
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Eh
They were mostly buying Disney comics
Marvel deliberately targeted an older demo (though not much older)
HM. Okay, that is a fair point.
In Boston like... ever?
you'll be hearing from my shysters
Will the morning herald Snowpacalypse?
You'll take your whimsy and you'll fucking like it Jacobkosh!
makes snowmen to celebrate
Anyone who lives in an apartment with a window facing a street on a hill, get your camera ready now.
It'll save time in the morning when the madness begins.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
A massacre of snowmen!!
Flash (in that era) is a narrative construct, not a person; he's a stereotype that a certain group of readers wants to believe applies to a large body of peers because it makes them feel better about their own faults. The real existence of bullies doesn't justify the stereotype or make the value judgment in the comic more worthwhile.
http://imgur.com/0xEilxR
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
it's super weird
an example is the Tobey Macguire movies where Flash bullies Peter for no real given reason at all
i'm not trapped in here with you. you're trapped in here with me
and then you just give them belly rubs like no one ever has
and your cat is just like cool bro thanks can you open the door now
ok cat
ok
yeah just don't vote
*sparkly angelfire graphics here*
edit: Hey isn't there a weird rule about posting PA comics that is exempt from size limits or something? I imgur'd this down just to be sure but I thought there was.
That seems to be the reason most of the time
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
That is interesting.
Is there a stated reason for the alleged Boston bombing hoax?
I'm not sure one really needs to explain why one kid ends up bullying another.
Bullies don't need a reason other than opportunity.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.