So, I have one firespray from the orignal 1.0 expansion. That's the only scum ship I have. So I bought a 2.0 firespray expansion so that I can run one (1) scum list: dual firespray.
I honestly don't understand all the hullabaloo about the promo deck
I understand on the core level of "they promised a thing and then did a very bad job on delivering it"
but I don't understand why anyone would actually want that deck? it's actively harder to use than the standard damage deck because of the size of the cards! if you have a lot of upgrades, table space is already at a premium!
With it you can play a proper two player game without having to buy a second core set. Most things can be shared, but the damage decks are supposed to be one per player.
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Fun little list, and I don't think it even needs a conversion kit.
Vader, Supernatural, FCS.
Iden, Del, Howl all with Crack Shot.
TIEs fly in formation, Vader goes off to flank.
Worried that it doesn't make enough use of those overlapping TIE auras, and that I should I complete the formation and use a cheaper ace, since Vader's never going to be flying in with those guys.
Although I could use something other than a TIE fighter too, since Howl and Del don't care...
All of my core set, damage deck, and rebels cards are sleeved! I also cleared out one of my planos to make room for all the new tokens. Tomorrow I plan to clear out the old ship bases and maneuver dials from my hardware cabinet thingy.
Also, some quick math says I need approximately 478 more card sleeves...
All of my core set, damage deck, and rebels cards are sleeved! I also cleared out one of my planos to make room for all the new tokens. Tomorrow I plan to clear out the old ship bases and maneuver dials from my hardware cabinet thingy.
Also, some quick math says I need approximately 478 more card sleeves...
All of my core set, damage deck, and rebels cards are sleeved! I also cleared out one of my planos to make room for all the new tokens. Tomorrow I plan to clear out the old ship bases and maneuver dials from my hardware cabinet thingy.
Also, some quick math says I need approximately 478 more card sleeves...
All of my core set, damage deck, and rebels cards are sleeved! I also cleared out one of my planos to make room for all the new tokens. Tomorrow I plan to clear out the old ship bases and maneuver dials from my hardware cabinet thingy.
Also, some quick math says I need approximately 478 more card sleeves...
(I have gone through ~320 or so, so far)
((I have ordered 800 more))
You should have ordered 66.
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ChaosHatHop, hop, hop, HA!Trick of the lightRegistered Userregular
Someone give me some Scum buying advice. Assuming I totally want the Lando Falcon, what else should I get? It seems like if you really load up the Falcon you could run like, a single Fang along side it. Is loading up the Falcon good? How is the escape pod? Would it be better to go more minimal with the Falcon and go Slave 1? Really strip down the Falcon and go two fang?
If you load up the Falcon, it's going to be a big bullseye target to drop as soon as possible. A few bad rolls and you could find yourself without a lot of points.
You'll need something to help control damage, or give them other targets of opportunity, or make them pay for ignoring your other ships.
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ChaosHatHop, hop, hop, HA!Trick of the lightRegistered Userregular
If you load up the Falcon, it's going to be a big bullseye target to drop as soon as possible. A few bad rolls and you could find yourself without a lot of points.
You'll need something to help control damage, or give them other targets of opportunity, or make them pay for ignoring your other ships.
Mostly for fun but possibly tournament optional?
I think loading shit up with points has been a bit of my problem in the squad builder. Like you said 1) big glaring target and 2) it's probably difficult to get a lot of extra mileage out of your big fat ships that just adding more attacking dice in another ship. I just have problems finding that line of "oh no this is essential to strategy" and "this is nice to have but if you cut four upgrades across your list you could just have another TIE Fighter."
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As a Scum player, I can't recommend the Fangs enough. They're fun little ships to fly and pack a decent punch, especially if you give them Fearless and joust hard with them.
I'd also suggest a Kihraxz or a StarViper if you want. The Kihraxz packs a mean punch and decently tough. Your opponent would have to choose between the Falcon getting turret shots (potentially out of both arcs if you bring the Veteran Turret Gunner) and the Kihraxz getting to ships out of Falcon arc. And the StarVipers are great support ships and hard to nail down.
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ChaosHatHop, hop, hop, HA!Trick of the lightRegistered Userregular
Sorry I should have specified stuff currently available in 2.0 packaging.
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ExtreaminatusGo forth and amplify,the Noise Marines are here!Registered Userregular
Oh. Go with Fangs, then. The Falcon is a decent enough ship on its own with minimal, but I think could be really good with Lando piloting and L3-37 in the escape pod as a co-pilot. That should leave you enough points to squeeze in a couple of generic Fangs.
Actually, if you include Han and Chewie along with Lando and L3-37 (and the escape pod), you can squeeze in Fenn Rau and a Zealous Recruit with 3 whole points left over.
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ChaosHatHop, hop, hop, HA!Trick of the lightRegistered Userregular
edited September 2018
Two fangs is kind of the way I was leaning (I think the Firespray is a goofy looking design) so that's good.
I really like 1.0 Fangs. Had to pick up a 2.0 one as well for the movable wings.
Pairing 2 with the Falcon is a pretty good idea.
You could also upgrade to Han as a pilot as well: Customized YT-1300 Light Freighter - Han Solo - 65
•Han Solo - The Corellian Kid (54)
Trick Shot (1)
Chewbacca (4)
Lando’s Millennium Falcon (6)
Fearless is great on Fenn, but I feel like loading him up with too many points is getting a bit too close to liability territory. 4 hull isn't much. A bad set of rolls could set you back quite a bit, though Concordia Faceoff and Fenn's pilot ability mitigate that a little bit. It depends if you want that 3-point initiative bid, which may be better with Lando at initiative 4, since that seems to be a pretty common initiative value.
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ExtreaminatusGo forth and amplify,the Noise Marines are here!Registered Userregular
The Firespray is a goofy ship and I am terrible at flying it, so I never recommend it.
Fearless is never a bad idea on Fangs. You could even drop Han or Chewie from the Falcon and get it on both of the Fangs, but then you don't have a fun canon party bus Falcon to fly around in, or swap Fenn Rau for Old Teroch or another pilot to save a few points to get Fearless on both.
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ChaosHatHop, hop, hop, HA!Trick of the lightRegistered Userregular
edited September 2018
How do you divide up the people in the Falcon party bus? I feel like Lando's pilot ability is pretty strong although maybe there's not that much difference between that and the crew ability? L3 flying the Falcon since her ability is not useful on the escape craft. But then who flies the escape craft? Han on the Falcon, Lando in the escape craft, L3 and Chewie as crew? Also mildly irritated that Chewie isn't a pilot option.
What about Lando crew, Han gunner, with a perceptive co-pilot? You could generate like four freaking focus tokens a turn and get a bunch of rerolls.
Edit: I just realized I'd have to buy the Firespray specifically for the copilot. ANNOYING!
Remember with the escape pod docked that the Falcon gets the escape pod's pilot ability. L3 on the escape pod is definitely still useful. Spend the 3 shields on the Falcon first, then spend the 2 shields on the pod, then finally hull. Jettison when the Falcon starts to get low on hull.
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ChaosHatHop, hop, hop, HA!Trick of the lightRegistered Userregular
Remember with the escape pod docked that the Falcon gets the escape pod's pilot ability. L3 on the escape pod is definitely still useful. Spend the 3 shields on the Falcon first, then spend the 2 shields on the pod, then finally hull. Jettison when the Falcon starts to get low on hull.
I was just thinking her ability while separated in the escape pod is not useful.
Is the escape pod a decent ship for the cost? I mean stats wise it seems pretty cheap. 2 shields 2 hull for 2 green and red dice? Or is it primarily a way to get some extra shields and a copilot ability on the falcon?
As a standalone ship, it's probably ok, aside from the dial. Closest comparison is going to be a Z-95.
Lando (I4) is 1 point cheaper than a Black Sun Solider Z95 (I3). It's missing missile and illicit slots, but has a crew slot instead. The escape craft has a white barrel roll vs the Z's red, and a red coordinate instead of a white TL.
The dial is where the Z beats it basically. The escape craft has a red stop, blue 1 banks and straight, blue 2 straight, white 2 banks, red(!) 2 turns, and white 3 banks and straight maneuvers. The Z has 3 and 4 k-turns as its only red maneuvers, and also has a white 4 straight. It also has white 2 and 3 turns, and its 2 banks are blue instead of its 1-banks. Its 3 straight is blue as well.
I think this all pretty much adds up to an escape craft that has trouble keeping anything on-target.
It would probably be a pretty decent support ship as Scum's only access to the Coordinate action, actually, especially with a Tactical Officer to change the red coordinate to white for only 2 points. At that point, you'd be best off shadowing your other ships at Range 2, and otherwise just avoiding fighting as much as possible.
Also random question: is there a point to shields being two sided instead of just discarded when lost?
I have definitely seen folks (really just one guy) "accidentally" put shield tokens back on a ship before...
It also makes it easier to never regain shields over your shield value. You never remove or add shield tokens; you just expend or recharge your existing tokens.
Also random question: is there a point to shields being two sided instead of just discarded when lost?
Ease of bookkeeping mostly, is my guess.
You start with 3 shields, so you put 3 tokens on your ship card, and there should always be 3 tokens on your ship card. Rather than in 1.0, where they'd move off an on and if, e.g., you had a Shield Upgrade card you couldn't easily reference something to see if you've got the right number of shields there.
First 2.0 game last night. Double Khiziz fighters with double Z-95 backup vs triple TIE interceptors with an Aggressor backup.
Interceptors are much less annoying now. Though one did manage to survive back to back 5 dice attacks without a scratch, and I never got them in arc for the proton rockets.
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edited September 2018
I've tinkered with quite a few 5-6 TIE Fighter lists because honestly it's the most appealing thing to me right now buuuut I do own this TIE Advanced. What's a good list to do with that? Vader + TIE aces? Is Wampa good? Do you toss Afterburners on to get some more movement and just try to continually arc dodge? Or do you just throw her out there to force a decision between making her defend or attacking some other higher value target?
Howl+Swarm Tactics means you're *almost* guaranteed to get your extra-die shot with Wampa. If they do have an Initiative 5+ pilot (and the initiative), it forces them right then and there to decide between attacking Howl to try to remove the rerolls, or prevent Wampa from getting the extra die. Without ST, they can delay shooting at Wampa until they've already tried to attack (or possibly taken out) Howl earlier in the round.
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ChaosHatHop, hop, hop, HA!Trick of the lightRegistered Userregular
Is supernatural reflexes not super good on Vader? It seems very good.
Yo, keep these questions coming too. I've been a bit directionless and somewhat overwhelmed when trying to come up with list ideas, and your questions are super duper helpful for that, @ChaosHat
edit: goes for anyone else too. I like making lists!
I've also been kicking around the idea of a list-making "contest" of some sort.
Definitely contemplating a Double Decimator list since picking the second one up at that swap meet.
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edited September 2018
Oh I can ask some dang questions...
The TIE Advanced seems not very popular online aside from Vader. Why?
Which are the best six TIE aces to run as a unit? I'm leaning towards this:
Iden Versio (40)
"Scourge" Skutu (32) Predator (2)
"Wampa" (30)
Seyn Marana (30) Marksmanship (1)
Gideon Hask (30)
Del Meeko (30)
Total: 195
Is Mauler Mithel better than Scourge? If I had ONE more point I'd drop Scourge for Howlrunner probably? Should I try to get Howl in anyways? Should I just run five Aces to add Howl and cram the ties with some shields or something with the remaining points?
I had an idea for an XXY list using Dutch to dish out the target locks to X-Wings to torpedo shit up. Is this a good idea?
Yo, keep these questions coming too. I've been a bit directionless and somewhat overwhelmed when trying to come up with list ideas, and your questions are super duper helpful for that, @ChaosHat
edit: goes for anyone else too. I like making lists!
I've also been kicking around the idea of a list-making "contest" of some sort.
Yes, drop Scourge and an upgrade on someone for Howlrunner. Howlrunner is really strong. 6 naked TIE aces is where you'd end up it looks like, but... eh. Seyn doesn't need to proc her ability really, you have enough volume of fire to punch through aces.
I would say the most important TIE aces are Del, Howl, and Iden since they all benefit your entire list.
Yes, drop Scourge and an upgrade on someone for Howlrunner. Howlrunner is really strong. 6 naked TIE aces is where you'd end up it looks like, but... eh. Seyn doesn't need to proc her ability really, you have enough volume of fire to punch through aces.
So, in order to fit Howlrunner I'd have to drop Scourge AND my only other upgrade is Marksmanship on Seyn Marana which seems pretty integral to the whole set up. Dropping an early damage past shields activates Gideon Hask and Del Meeko's abilities and without Marksmanship it seems like they might not go off until much later in the game. Is it still worth it?
I suppose I could also downgrade Wampa to Night Beast or Valen Rudor. I could also swap Iden Versio for someone but the ability to prevent a TIE Fighter from dying one time seems pretty strong, especially if that TIE is say, Howlrunner.
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Thoughts on loadouts?
With it you can play a proper two player game without having to buy a second core set. Most things can be shared, but the damage decks are supposed to be one per player.
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Vader, Supernatural, FCS.
Iden, Del, Howl all with Crack Shot.
TIEs fly in formation, Vader goes off to flank.
Worried that it doesn't make enough use of those overlapping TIE auras, and that I should I complete the formation and use a cheaper ace, since Vader's never going to be flying in with those guys.
Although I could use something other than a TIE fighter too, since Howl and Del don't care...
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Also, some quick math says I need approximately 478 more card sleeves...
(I have gone through ~320 or so, so far)
Guess I'm in this now.
Hoping maybe the secondary market is decent because I need just two IG-2000 setups for scum, and nothing else.
((I have ordered 800 more))
You should have ordered 66.
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If you load up the Falcon, it's going to be a big bullseye target to drop as soon as possible. A few bad rolls and you could find yourself without a lot of points.
You'll need something to help control damage, or give them other targets of opportunity, or make them pay for ignoring your other ships.
Mostly for fun but possibly tournament optional?
I think loading shit up with points has been a bit of my problem in the squad builder. Like you said 1) big glaring target and 2) it's probably difficult to get a lot of extra mileage out of your big fat ships that just adding more attacking dice in another ship. I just have problems finding that line of "oh no this is essential to strategy" and "this is nice to have but if you cut four upgrades across your list you could just have another TIE Fighter."
I'd also suggest a Kihraxz or a StarViper if you want. The Kihraxz packs a mean punch and decently tough. Your opponent would have to choose between the Falcon getting turret shots (potentially out of both arcs if you bring the Veteran Turret Gunner) and the Kihraxz getting to ships out of Falcon arc. And the StarVipers are great support ships and hard to nail down.
Actually, if you include Han and Chewie along with Lando and L3-37 (and the escape pod), you can squeeze in Fenn Rau and a Zealous Recruit with 3 whole points left over.
Would it be better to spend the 3 on Fearless?
Pairing 2 with the Falcon is a pretty good idea.
You could also upgrade to Han as a pilot as well:
Customized YT-1300 Light Freighter - Han Solo - 65
•Han Solo - The Corellian Kid (54)
Trick Shot (1)
Chewbacca (4)
Lando’s Millennium Falcon (6)
Escape Craft - L3-37 - 22
•L3-37 - Droid Revolutionary (22)
Fang Fighter - Fenn Rau - 68
•Fenn Rau - Skull Leader (68)
Fang Fighter - Zealous Recruit - 44
Zealous Recruit - (44)
Total: 199/200
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Fearless is great on Fenn, but I feel like loading him up with too many points is getting a bit too close to liability territory. 4 hull isn't much. A bad set of rolls could set you back quite a bit, though Concordia Faceoff and Fenn's pilot ability mitigate that a little bit. It depends if you want that 3-point initiative bid, which may be better with Lando at initiative 4, since that seems to be a pretty common initiative value.
Fearless is never a bad idea on Fangs. You could even drop Han or Chewie from the Falcon and get it on both of the Fangs, but then you don't have a fun canon party bus Falcon to fly around in, or swap Fenn Rau for Old Teroch or another pilot to save a few points to get Fearless on both.
What about Lando crew, Han gunner, with a perceptive co-pilot? You could generate like four freaking focus tokens a turn and get a bunch of rerolls.
Edit: I just realized I'd have to buy the Firespray specifically for the copilot. ANNOYING!
I was just thinking her ability while separated in the escape pod is not useful.
Is the escape pod a decent ship for the cost? I mean stats wise it seems pretty cheap. 2 shields 2 hull for 2 green and red dice? Or is it primarily a way to get some extra shields and a copilot ability on the falcon?
If the suicide drone wasn't unqiue I would try running nothing but those on Vassal and it would be dumb.
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Lando (I4) is 1 point cheaper than a Black Sun Solider Z95 (I3). It's missing missile and illicit slots, but has a crew slot instead. The escape craft has a white barrel roll vs the Z's red, and a red coordinate instead of a white TL.
The dial is where the Z beats it basically. The escape craft has a red stop, blue 1 banks and straight, blue 2 straight, white 2 banks, red(!) 2 turns, and white 3 banks and straight maneuvers. The Z has 3 and 4 k-turns as its only red maneuvers, and also has a white 4 straight. It also has white 2 and 3 turns, and its 2 banks are blue instead of its 1-banks. Its 3 straight is blue as well.
I think this all pretty much adds up to an escape craft that has trouble keeping anything on-target.
It would probably be a pretty decent support ship as Scum's only access to the Coordinate action, actually, especially with a Tactical Officer to change the red coordinate to white for only 2 points. At that point, you'd be best off shadowing your other ships at Range 2, and otherwise just avoiding fighting as much as possible.
I have definitely seen folks (really just one guy) "accidentally" put shield tokens back on a ship before...
It also makes it easier to never regain shields over your shield value. You never remove or add shield tokens; you just expend or recharge your existing tokens.
Ease of bookkeeping mostly, is my guess.
You start with 3 shields, so you put 3 tokens on your ship card, and there should always be 3 tokens on your ship card. Rather than in 1.0, where they'd move off an on and if, e.g., you had a Shield Upgrade card you couldn't easily reference something to see if you've got the right number of shields there.
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Interceptors are much less annoying now. Though one did manage to survive back to back 5 dice attacks without a scratch, and I never got them in arc for the proton rockets.
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TIE/ln Fighter - Black Squadron Ace - 27
Black Squadron Ace - (26)
Crack Shot (1)
TIE/ln Fighter - Black Squadron Ace - 27
Black Squadron Ace - (26)
Crack Shot (1)
TIE/ln Fighter - “Howlrunner” - 43
•“Howlrunner” - Obsidian Leader (40)
Swarm Tactics (3)
TIE/ln Fighter - “Wampa” - 30
•“Wampa” - Black Eleven (30)
TIE Advanced x1 - Darth Vader - 73
•Darth Vader - Black Leader (70)
Fire-Control System (3)
Total: 200/200
View in the X-Wing Squad Builder
Howl+Swarm Tactics means you're *almost* guaranteed to get your extra-die shot with Wampa. If they do have an Initiative 5+ pilot (and the initiative), it forces them right then and there to decide between attacking Howl to try to remove the rerolls, or prevent Wampa from getting the extra die. Without ST, they can delay shooting at Wampa until they've already tried to attack (or possibly taken out) Howl earlier in the round.
It's expensive. Very good (can vader for more actions off it before a tallon for instance), but expensive.
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edit: goes for anyone else too. I like making lists!
I've also been kicking around the idea of a list-making "contest" of some sort.
The TIE Advanced seems not very popular online aside from Vader. Why?
Which are the best six TIE aces to run as a unit? I'm leaning towards this:
"Scourge" Skutu (32)
Predator (2)
"Wampa" (30)
Seyn Marana (30)
Marksmanship (1)
Gideon Hask (30)
Del Meeko (30)
Total: 195
Is Mauler Mithel better than Scourge? If I had ONE more point I'd drop Scourge for Howlrunner probably? Should I try to get Howl in anyways? Should I just run five Aces to add Howl and cram the ties with some shields or something with the remaining points?
I had an idea for an XXY list using Dutch to dish out the target locks to X-Wings to torpedo shit up. Is this a good idea?
Outmaneuver (6)
Proton Torpedoes (9)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)
Luke Skywalker (62)
Supernatural Reflexes (12)
Proton Torpedoes (9)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)
"Dutch" Vander (42)
Expert Handling (2)
Ion Torpedoes (6)
Total: 200
If not, what would you do for an XXY?
Who would you run in a three X-Wing set? This is what I did.
Supernatural Reflexes (12)
Proton Torpedoes (9)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)
Wedge Antilles (52)
Outmaneuver (6)
Proton Torpedoes (9)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)
Garven Dreis (X-Wing) (47)
Crack Shot (1)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)
Total: 198
I guess that's it for now.
Thoughts on a double firespray scum list?
I would say the most important TIE aces are Del, Howl, and Iden since they all benefit your entire list.
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So, in order to fit Howlrunner I'd have to drop Scourge AND my only other upgrade is Marksmanship on Seyn Marana which seems pretty integral to the whole set up. Dropping an early damage past shields activates Gideon Hask and Del Meeko's abilities and without Marksmanship it seems like they might not go off until much later in the game. Is it still worth it?
I suppose I could also downgrade Wampa to Night Beast or Valen Rudor. I could also swap Iden Versio for someone but the ability to prevent a TIE Fighter from dying one time seems pretty strong, especially if that TIE is say, Howlrunner.