i obviously don't care if someone doesn't drink, but i do feel bad when they're stuck hanging out with a bunch of drunks
I legit don't mind at all
My extended family is largely a big bunch of drinkers (with a couple exceptions), and I love 'em all, so if they need a refill I'm the first to go get it for them
As they get drunker and the conversation gets sillier, I'm allowed to loosen up and be a little sillier too, it's kind of nice!
My friend group is largely sober, with a couple exceptions, but we'll alternate going to the bar and chilling at someone's house or going for coffee, it's all good
Ladyfish drinks in moderation, and mostly she's just very cute when she's had a few
The best kind of drunk to be is when other people (that you like when drunk) are drunker than you
I guess it's only a question of how much of a gap you can take
That's basically it - building a tolerance for being around progressively drunker people while I'm stone-cold sober.
I've gotten pretty good at it, but sometimes they're, like, stumbling around the yard drunk, vomiting in the garden and talking about how much they hate that particular fence post and, well
They won't remember whether or not I was there anyway, so that's my cue to leave :P
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I mean if you can get 2,000 subs at the base level you can make $50,000. Easy peasy. I wonder how many total twitch subs are out there right now.
How many people seriously try to make fifty grand a year on twitch versus how many people achieve it
How long do they put in building the steam for no dollars, beyond the initial hobbyist investment
Would they be better off working minimum wage for that time plus the first year
I do not think it is easy peasy in practice
I was being pretty sarcastic with "Easy peasy." I'd say dreaming of being a pro streamer is like dreaming about being a magic the gathering pro except I have lots of MtG pro friends and that now seems way easier because they just had to practice a lot and build teams.
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being around drunk people is definitely the worst part of not drinking. as aziz ansari said, 'woo girls' especially. i basically can't go out with my college aged female coworkers because jesus christ.
It depends heavily on the people. My roommate would throw enormous parties where we'd end up with several dozens of people in our house, all drinking until 3AM, and it was awesome, because they were all chill people who were fun (and, in her case, hilariously affectionate) when drunk. But everyone was just cool people in general (late twenties grad students and the periphery of such).
I've trained myself to be able to drink a glass of wine socially now.
But I still hate alcohol. And will really only drink heavily on request at special occasions.
"On request at special occasions" sounds like you get hired to drink heavily on stage, at birthdays, stag dos, bar mitzvahs, etc, as the evening's entertainment
"And now! Introducing the great Trugged, who will drink heavily but not really enjoy it!"
"Woooh!"
Abdhyius on
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Oh, the unwanted plate of shots. The definition of read the goddamn room.
A good plate of shots is when everybody is excited about being stupid and just getting silly drunk together.
The guy who buys a round of shots to a bunch of people who go "uh" because they were sipping beer while practicing the art of good conversation, is the guy who calls you "buddy" and laughs really loudly at his own jokes with a laugh that makes you want to stab him in the eyes
At the christmas party I was at last year, the host's next door neighbor came in drunk off his ass from his own combo birthday/fight party and offered us all shots of fireball and a visit to the bar he had set up in his garage.
We had just enough people willing to do it that it resulted in our party spiralling completely out of control because the one drink people got at his bar was a nightmare mix of fireball, rumchata, everclear, and energy drink (what the fuck, bartender?). The one person who tossed it instead of politely finishing it burned his hand because it hit a firepit and flashed back to him.
How is PETA even on people's radars as a hate object
PETA is such a tiny and trivial organization
I can't remember the last time I actually saw a peta ad outside of some jpg compressed 2004 photo of a guy wrapped in plastic to protest meat being posted on Imgur or something for mockery
How are Tumblrinas even on people's radars as a hate object? Or reddit redpillers? Tiny and trivial amounts of people can disproportionately represent themselves through being loud and annoying. Signal repeating and reinforcement is part and parcel of the modern Internet.
Redpillers occasionally go on shooting sprees so...
(Or at least, the views espoused by them are the kind of thing that gets women killed, and they reflect unpleasant realities of our current society, rather than being weird reactionary outcroppings, even if that is some of the source.)
And PETA euthanized a bunch of dogs
Dogs are morally superior to humans
Therefore PETA is worse
It's simple ethics please subscribe to my YouTube channel and you donate to my Patreon
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
being around drunk people is definitely the worst part of not drinking. as aziz ansari said, 'woo girls' especially. i basically can't go out with my college aged female coworkers because jesus christ.
It depends heavily on the people. My roommate would throw enormous parties where we'd end up with several dozens of people in our house, all drinking until 3AM, and it was awesome, because they were all chill people who were fun (and, in her case, hilariously affectionate) when drunk. But everyone was just cool people in general (late twenties grad students and the periphery of such).
maybe you were drunk on science
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I like checking in with you because I know some days can suck, but you seem in a decent mood today!
I talked with someone yesterday and she gave advice I have to follow
Had couples' therapy this morning and this week it ended up mostly being about me. I am sure I should remember more!
Experiment is happening and I am skilled.
This all sounds like positive movement! I am glad to hear it
As someone who has weekly therapy where it's always 100% about me, I understand that unique feeling of having a revelation that changes your perspective or your attitude or your behavior
It's always ... humbling, but also like a burden is being lifted off of you.
I like it, anyway.
Oh it is rare that I have revelations in therapy. I talk too much and introspect too much for that to happen super often. I just don't know how to fix my shit, sometimes.
I mean today it was mostly stuff related to OCD that came out, which I knew but I think was useful for Querry to hear (such as: I have a jealous streak, but it is definitely in the form of obsessive-compulsive intrusive thoughts, rather than a thing in and of itself. Similarly, thoughts of death and dying: how OCD comes out, sometimes.)
I hear what you're saying
Yeah, "revelations" might be the wrong word, but more like
Being able to put words to a feeling you've been having for a while, or identifying a problem behavior / thought pattern and managing to address where it stems from and sort of acknowledging it as a problem, even if you can't immediately solve it
How unable to advocate for myself and also how mind-bogglingly stubborn I can be are both acknowledged but as-yet unsolved problems, personally :redface:
People who feel entitled to know why I don't drink and inquire with mocking hostility get a pretty shitty response from me.
Like, that kind of shit doesn't happen much anymore nowadays because I'm older and don't go to like, shitty house parties or whatever much, but every now and again I'll still be over at somebody's place and they'll offer me something to drink and go over a list of options and they're all booze and I'll politely decline or ask for a water or soda or something
And they'll wrinkle their nose like I farted in church and be like "what're you, a Mormon? It's a party, man"
At which point I will like, do a sharp exhale through my nose, sigh and say "Sure, and if I have serious health reasons I don't drink and I fucking die on your couch just because you felt insulted I didn't want some of your IPA would that bring the room down?" and then my wife sighs at me and I shrug.
Fuck off with that shit.
If someone is the kind of person who wants you to know why they don't drink, then brother, trust me they will fucking tell you.
Otherwise, leave them alone and just say "Okay, no problem."
I have a varying set of responses I use for people that tend to range from cryptic "I'm a friend of Bill W" followed by changing the subject. Or me trying to be funny and tell them I used to be really good at it and thought of going pro. Also just telling them I'm an alcoholic in a conversational tone. And for the really stubborn pricks get the weaponized version where I explain to them in detail the idea of using alcohol in a coping mechanism and how I realized I might have an issue while having my stomach pumped. The later doesn't happen often, it's only people who are real pricks about it.
I mean, it's not like you can't bread and fry free range or organic chickens instead of caged
but in the case of literally every chain restaurant, picture is probably accurate yeah
Fuck organic. Luxury bullshit.
But free range is iffy and can be a copout. We need another term, and a good one. Free range summons idyllic ideas that can be far from the truth and free range can be far worse than caged. Chickens peck each other to death. It is in no way a given that a free range barn floor covered wall to wall in chickens is going to be better than caged. But it sells like it is.
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How is PETA even on people's radars as a hate object
PETA is such a tiny and trivial organization
I can't remember the last time I actually saw a peta ad outside of some jpg compressed 2004 photo of a guy wrapped in plastic to protest meat being posted on Imgur or something for mockery
How are Tumblrinas even on people's radars as a hate object? Or reddit redpillers? Tiny and trivial amounts of people can disproportionately represent themselves through being loud and annoying. Signal repeating and reinforcement is part and parcel of the modern Internet.
Redpillers occasionally go on shooting sprees so...
(Or at least, the views espoused by them are the kind of thing that gets women killed, and they reflect unpleasant realities of our current society, rather than being weird reactionary outcroppings, even if that is some of the source.)
And PETA euthanized a bunch of dogs
Dogs are morally superior to humans
Therefore PETA is worse
It's simple ethics please subscribe to my YouTube channel and you donate to my Patreon
are grad students super cool people as a rule, you think
i know essentially no one irl who has more than a bachelor's
Grad students surely run the gamut of cool to turboasshole (after all, where to professors come from? maek u think), but are pretty self-selected to be a generally intelligent, liberal group of people going through the same shit and basically having slow-motion trauma-related bonding. Good programs also have some sense of cameraderie, though there are also super competitive spaces, obviously (and that can be a big problem).
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being around drunk people is definitely the worst part of not drinking. as aziz ansari said, 'woo girls' especially. i basically can't go out with my college aged female coworkers because jesus christ.
My entire friend group is now 25+ and I'm very grateful for it :P
If someone of any gender is in danger of reaching "woo girl" status, often times another party-goer will quietly escort them to another room, sit them down, get them some gatorade or a glass of water, etc.
Defuse the situation, if you will
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I like checking in with you because I know some days can suck, but you seem in a decent mood today!
I talked with someone yesterday and she gave advice I have to follow
Had couples' therapy this morning and this week it ended up mostly being about me. I am sure I should remember more!
Experiment is happening and I am skilled.
This all sounds like positive movement! I am glad to hear it
As someone who has weekly therapy where it's always 100% about me, I understand that unique feeling of having a revelation that changes your perspective or your attitude or your behavior
It's always ... humbling, but also like a burden is being lifted off of you.
I like it, anyway.
Oh it is rare that I have revelations in therapy. I talk too much and introspect too much for that to happen super often. I just don't know how to fix my shit, sometimes.
I mean today it was mostly stuff related to OCD that came out, which I knew but I think was useful for Querry to hear (such as: I have a jealous streak, but it is definitely in the form of obsessive-compulsive intrusive thoughts, rather than a thing in and of itself. Similarly, thoughts of death and dying: how OCD comes out, sometimes.)
I hear what you're saying
Yeah, "revelations" might be the wrong word, but more like
Being able to put words to a feeling you've been having for a while, or identifying a problem behavior / thought pattern and managing to address where it stems from and sort of acknowledging it as a problem, even if you can't immediately solve it
How unable to advocate for myself and also how mind-bogglingly stubborn I can be are both acknowledged but as-yet unsolved problems, personally :redface:
Well yes, because it's impossible to advocate for yourself, what if you hurt someone else?
Let's be real: teetotallers can possibly be as annoying as an annoying vegan
My experience is similar to that of a vegan: people treat me like shit out of defensiveness that I’m like, implicitly criticizing their lifestyle. Give me a vegan over a ‘for every cow you don’t eat I’ll eat three lol!!’ person any day. Same thing here.
Comparing just vegan to militantly anti-vegan is unfair
The equivalent is the evangelical vegan who is dumb as rocks. Your PETA people.
If I was locked in a room with one of those and one of the for every cow you don't eat I'll eat three lol people and I had a gun with two bullets I'd shoot myself twice
The point is that there aren't actually that many militant vegans. I've encountered militant vegans but they're pretty rare, and it's been a very long time.
While the opposite, somebody who responds with defensiveness and derision to the mere suggestion that somebody in their presence is vegan, is all too common.
there aren't many militant vegans in general, true
however, if you ever hang out in certain parts of the Northern European radical left, hoo boy
Oh, I bet.
I used to live in Santa Cruz, which is a town that really wishes it was Berkeley circa 1968.
The combination of being a college town, a hippie town, and having a strong culture of political protest meant that you could find aggressive crusaders for just about any left-wing cause.
A lot of my stories about dumb protests gone awry come from Santa Cruz.
And, yeah, I met militant vegans there. Usually college kids who felt like they were changing the world by harassing customers outside of a restaurant.
But not so much after I left.
Do we, honestly, have to give young people the right to opinions
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That pencil+pad pro looks really slick.
If I actually had time to do anything but work-work (ok, i do technically have time, but wow, am I all burnt-out so I just veg), I'd love to pick a set up just to see if it can help me with prototype drawings, writing lists (I like to write a list vs. typing it sometimes because it feels better), etc.
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His stream is usually hilarious ill-timed for my viewing pleasure, but he's just so chill and so rich
The other day on stream he was like "I was going to wait for the PC release of Monster Hunter, because I didn't even have a PS4 ... but then I realized I'm rich and can do what I want."
He's the best :P
His cat-buddy in MonHun is name SmolCat, after the real life SmolCat
My grad program group was mostly okay. One... savant with no social skills that knew the year and location for every modern Olympics held. But he wasn't a bad person, just a doof. Copious drinkers including myself, some pretty heavily. Nobody particularly turboasshole, but some significantly more driven and willing to climbing over the lifeless bodies of others. Which I don't particularly mind, grad school was definitely not for me.
A professor told another student I was "wildly intelligent but completely unmotivated" and yeah yup you got it.
I'm glad I got Shadow of the Colossus but also I've been streaming it. Hard Mode actually quite hard!
I will probably never be able to compete with other streamers because I have a day job but it's still fun.
Most of them started with day jobs too. Probably a bit harder to break through these days though.
Still it could happen.
If someone influential hosted you would probably be the easiest way.
I'm still confused why I often have a woman with 10,600 followers watching me. I assume for the feet.
Yeah a big host so that people might actually see you for a few seconds and decide to stick around is a huuuge deal. I guess if I want to grow my stream more I should do more networking. I did get a sea of thieves host once of like 50 people that rapidly dropped down to 20 but that was still pretty cool. And/or get a camera for feet.
are you trying to do this as a second job type thing?
I was under the impression that most of the chat stream community was just into it as like a way to hang out with their internet friends
growing beyond chat would probably take a lot of effort. good luck!
Second job is probably a bit too serious, but I would love to build an actual following and get a twitch paycheck every once in a while. I'm getting pretty close to my first twitch paycheck actually. I definitely want to focus on it more as a hobby, but part of the fun of the hobby for me is trying to grow the stream I think. Fiddling with audio and video settings and making things look/sound as professional as I can has been really fun and interesting.
Your new mic is A+, by the way!
Hooray! It's huuuuge compared to the rock band mic I was using so it feels 1000x more professional. Still gotta get an arm and a shock mount for it sometime so I can position it a little better.
And figure out how waffles and I are doing voice tonight. Last time worked well with one mic but it wasn't the fancy one. I'll flip it into stereo mode and try that I think.
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I like checking in with you because I know some days can suck, but you seem in a decent mood today!
I talked with someone yesterday and she gave advice I have to follow
Had couples' therapy this morning and this week it ended up mostly being about me. I am sure I should remember more!
Experiment is happening and I am skilled.
This all sounds like positive movement! I am glad to hear it
As someone who has weekly therapy where it's always 100% about me, I understand that unique feeling of having a revelation that changes your perspective or your attitude or your behavior
It's always ... humbling, but also like a burden is being lifted off of you.
I like it, anyway.
Oh it is rare that I have revelations in therapy. I talk too much and introspect too much for that to happen super often. I just don't know how to fix my shit, sometimes.
I mean today it was mostly stuff related to OCD that came out, which I knew but I think was useful for Querry to hear (such as: I have a jealous streak, but it is definitely in the form of obsessive-compulsive intrusive thoughts, rather than a thing in and of itself. Similarly, thoughts of death and dying: how OCD comes out, sometimes.)
I hear what you're saying
Yeah, "revelations" might be the wrong word, but more like
Being able to put words to a feeling you've been having for a while, or identifying a problem behavior / thought pattern and managing to address where it stems from and sort of acknowledging it as a problem, even if you can't immediately solve it
How unable to advocate for myself and also how mind-bogglingly stubborn I can be are both acknowledged but as-yet unsolved problems, personally :redface:
Well yes, because it's impossible to advocate for yourself, what if you hurt someone else?
Right?! I just wanna sit quietly in the corner with my panic-brain and not create any waves and I don't want anyone to notice me and I don't want to bother anyone and I hope everyone else is happy I hope I'm not causing any trouble I'm just sitting here quietly hopefully that's okay oh god what should I do with my hands I don't want to upset anyone!
... We've made some major inroads compared to where I was, obviously :P
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People who feel entitled to know why I don't drink and inquire with mocking hostility get a pretty shitty response from me.
Like, that kind of shit doesn't happen much anymore nowadays because I'm older and don't go to like, shitty house parties or whatever much, but every now and again I'll still be over at somebody's place and they'll offer me something to drink and go over a list of options and they're all booze and I'll politely decline or ask for a water or soda or something
And they'll wrinkle their nose like I farted in church and be like "what're you, a Mormon? It's a party, man"
At which point I will like, do a sharp exhale through my nose, sigh and say "Sure, and if I have serious health reasons I don't drink and I fucking die on your couch just because you felt insulted I didn't want some of your IPA would that bring the room down?" and then my wife sighs at me and I shrug.
Fuck off with that shit.
If someone is the kind of person who wants you to know why they don't drink, then brother, trust me they will fucking tell you.
Otherwise, leave them alone and just say "Okay, no problem."
I have a varying set of responses I use for people that tend to range from cryptic "I'm a friend of Bill W" followed by changing the subject. Or me trying to be funny and tell them I used to be really good at it and thought of going pro. Also just telling them I'm an alcoholic in a conversational tone. And for the really stubborn pricks get the weaponized version where I explain to them in detail the idea of using alcohol in a coping mechanism and how I realized I might have an issue while having my stomach pumped. The later doesn't happen often, it's only people who are real pricks about it.
When we went on a Princess cruise, somebody in our group was mulling over the events list and said something like "Why are there so many events for Bill W.?"
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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That's basically it - building a tolerance for being around progressively drunker people while I'm stone-cold sober.
I've gotten pretty good at it, but sometimes they're, like, stumbling around the yard drunk, vomiting in the garden and talking about how much they hate that particular fence post and, well
They won't remember whether or not I was there anyway, so that's my cue to leave :P
I was being pretty sarcastic with "Easy peasy." I'd say dreaming of being a pro streamer is like dreaming about being a magic the gathering pro except I have lots of MtG pro friends and that now seems way easier because they just had to practice a lot and build teams.
It depends heavily on the people. My roommate would throw enormous parties where we'd end up with several dozens of people in our house, all drinking until 3AM, and it was awesome, because they were all chill people who were fun (and, in her case, hilariously affectionate) when drunk. But everyone was just cool people in general (late twenties grad students and the periphery of such).
"On request at special occasions" sounds like you get hired to drink heavily on stage, at birthdays, stag dos, bar mitzvahs, etc, as the evening's entertainment
"And now! Introducing the great Trugged, who will drink heavily but not really enjoy it!"
"Woooh!"
*bonks on head, wears BR as hat*
It's similar to seeing how much an actor gets paid and going "well shit, I should just be an actor then, let's do this!"
At the christmas party I was at last year, the host's next door neighbor came in drunk off his ass from his own combo birthday/fight party and offered us all shots of fireball and a visit to the bar he had set up in his garage.
We had just enough people willing to do it that it resulted in our party spiralling completely out of control because the one drink people got at his bar was a nightmare mix of fireball, rumchata, everclear, and energy drink (what the fuck, bartender?). The one person who tossed it instead of politely finishing it burned his hand because it hit a firepit and flashed back to him.
And PETA euthanized a bunch of dogs
Dogs are morally superior to humans
Therefore PETA is worse
It's simple ethics please subscribe to my YouTube channel and you donate to my Patreon
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
maybe you were drunk on science
But damn it's a cool dream to have.
i know essentially no one irl who has more than a bachelor's
I hear what you're saying
Yeah, "revelations" might be the wrong word, but more like
Being able to put words to a feeling you've been having for a while, or identifying a problem behavior / thought pattern and managing to address where it stems from and sort of acknowledging it as a problem, even if you can't immediately solve it
How unable to advocate for myself and also how mind-bogglingly stubborn I can be are both acknowledged but as-yet unsolved problems, personally :redface:
My boss does this all the time and its really annoying and I can't do anything about it.
hnnnnnnggggg
Am I cool?
wait... shit don't answer that.
i haven't seen enough of your dogs or your ballsack lately
I have a varying set of responses I use for people that tend to range from cryptic "I'm a friend of Bill W" followed by changing the subject. Or me trying to be funny and tell them I used to be really good at it and thought of going pro. Also just telling them I'm an alcoholic in a conversational tone. And for the really stubborn pricks get the weaponized version where I explain to them in detail the idea of using alcohol in a coping mechanism and how I realized I might have an issue while having my stomach pumped. The later doesn't happen often, it's only people who are real pricks about it.
Fuck organic. Luxury bullshit.
But free range is iffy and can be a copout. We need another term, and a good one. Free range summons idyllic ideas that can be far from the truth and free range can be far worse than caged. Chickens peck each other to death. It is in no way a given that a free range barn floor covered wall to wall in chickens is going to be better than caged. But it sells like it is.
I can't really argue, here, have fifty dollars
Grad students surely run the gamut of cool to turboasshole (after all, where to professors come from? maek u think), but are pretty self-selected to be a generally intelligent, liberal group of people going through the same shit and basically having slow-motion trauma-related bonding. Good programs also have some sense of cameraderie, though there are also super competitive spaces, obviously (and that can be a big problem).
My entire friend group is now 25+ and I'm very grateful for it :P
If someone of any gender is in danger of reaching "woo girl" status, often times another party-goer will quietly escort them to another room, sit them down, get them some gatorade or a glass of water, etc.
Defuse the situation, if you will
Well yes, because it's impossible to advocate for yourself, what if you hurt someone else?
Do we, honestly, have to give young people the right to opinions
Like do we have to have to?
OK SORRY SO HEY JOHN YOU'RE LIKE GREAT YOU KNOW? BUT FUCK THAT GIRL OVER THERE FUCKING CUNT HAHA
*spills drink*
If I actually had time to do anything but work-work (ok, i do technically have time, but wow, am I all burnt-out so I just veg), I'd love to pick a set up just to see if it can help me with prototype drawings, writing lists (I like to write a list vs. typing it sometimes because it feels better), etc.
I love QTpie
His stream is usually hilarious ill-timed for my viewing pleasure, but he's just so chill and so rich
The other day on stream he was like "I was going to wait for the PC release of Monster Hunter, because I didn't even have a PS4 ... but then I realized I'm rich and can do what I want."
He's the best :P
His cat-buddy in MonHun is name SmolCat, after the real life SmolCat
A professor told another student I was "wildly intelligent but completely unmotivated" and yeah yup you got it.
Threehorn for life!
every thug ass muslim dude in philly is named abdullah
... Holy fuck no wonder I'm fat.
*sighs* Now to actually budget this.
Hooray! It's huuuuge compared to the rock band mic I was using so it feels 1000x more professional. Still gotta get an arm and a shock mount for it sometime so I can position it a little better.
And figure out how waffles and I are doing voice tonight. Last time worked well with one mic but it wasn't the fancy one. I'll flip it into stereo mode and try that I think.
Right?! I just wanna sit quietly in the corner with my panic-brain and not create any waves and I don't want anyone to notice me and I don't want to bother anyone and I hope everyone else is happy I hope I'm not causing any trouble I'm just sitting here quietly hopefully that's okay oh god what should I do with my hands I don't want to upset anyone!
... We've made some major inroads compared to where I was, obviously :P
Albertosaurus, purely for patriotic reasons
When we went on a Princess cruise, somebody in our group was mulling over the events list and said something like "Why are there so many events for Bill W.?"
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Sharptooth rules,
Longnecks drool.