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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    I mean, if you want to zap all the nutrition out of your mildewy sponge in your science oven, who am I to interfere.

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    Dish sponges/scrubbers are around $1. Buy a new sponge.

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    TynnanTynnan seldom correct, never unsure Registered User regular
    Also, microwaving your grungy-ass sponge doesn't do shit. In fact it likely just kills off the less harmful bacterial populations and allows the nastier bugs to expand across their remains.

    Scientific Reports: Microbiome analysis and confocal microscopy of used kitchen sponges reveal massive colonization by Acinetobacter, Moraxella and Chryseobacterium species

    NYTimes: Cleaning a Dirty Sponge Only Helps Its Worst Bacteria, Study Says

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    MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    We go through a lot of effort to ignore bad indicators in our hiring process in order to ensure that the process is fair and untainted by bias.

    Which is why it's especially frustrating to receive a CV that starts off by listing the applicant's gender, locality of birth, birth date, and marital status.

    Thank goodness they were otherwise unqualified.

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    webguy20webguy20 I spend too much time on the Internet Registered User regular
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    We go through a lot of effort to ignore bad indicators in our hiring process in order to ensure that the process is fair and untainted by bias.

    Which is why it's especially frustrating to receive a CV that starts off by listing the applicant's gender, locality of birth, birth date, and marital status.

    Thank goodness they were otherwise unqualified.

    I worked at one place that states during the hiring process that if a CV was submitted with legally protected information that it would be discarded. That way it became a "can a person follow instructions" exercise and not an exercise in covering our own ass if someone came back at us.

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    jgeisjgeis Registered User regular
    @Moriveth and @Janson don't forget that gig-economy stuff is probably viable in your area (near-ish Seattle, right?) if you need to make ends-meet during your job hunting phase. Uber, Lyft, delivery services like Postmates. I know first-hand that they aren't reaaalllly sustainable as a full-time gig, but they're easy to qualify for and can make you decent cash when you need it. Lord knows how much relief I feel knowing I can just turn on Uber and drive for a few hours to pay a bill or whatever.

    Plus you can work them around your job hunt, children, and other obligations. And they're an excuse to get out of the house and away from the grandparents.

    Again, not a suggestion for a full-time thing but lord knows I burned through a lot of savings while job hunting here in LA because I forgot (or rather, didn't realize because it wasn't available where I used to live) that Uber was an option.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Tynnan wrote: »
    Also, microwaving your grungy-ass sponge doesn't do shit. In fact it likely just kills off the less harmful bacterial populations and allows the nastier bugs to expand across their remains.

    Scientific Reports: Microbiome analysis and confocal microscopy of used kitchen sponges reveal massive colonization by Acinetobacter, Moraxella and Chryseobacterium species

    NYTimes: Cleaning a Dirty Sponge Only Helps Its Worst Bacteria, Study Says

    I can see how that makes sense, since killing 99% of bacteria leaves alive the most resilient 1% to fuck you up. But those articles don’t mention whether the “hot soapy water” was regular hand soap or antibacterial soap. They should have mentioned that!

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    TynnanTynnan seldom correct, never unsure Registered User regular
    Tynnan wrote: »
    Also, microwaving your grungy-ass sponge doesn't do shit. In fact it likely just kills off the less harmful bacterial populations and allows the nastier bugs to expand across their remains.

    Scientific Reports: Microbiome analysis and confocal microscopy of used kitchen sponges reveal massive colonization by Acinetobacter, Moraxella and Chryseobacterium species

    NYTimes: Cleaning a Dirty Sponge Only Helps Its Worst Bacteria, Study Says

    I can see how that makes sense, since killing 99% of bacteria leaves alive the most resilient 1% to fuck you up. But those articles don’t mention whether the “hot soapy water” was regular hand soap or antibacterial soap. They should have mentioned that!

    This paper https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00284-012-0172-x (paywalled) sampled kitchen and bathroom sites and found no significant differences in antibiotic resistance or pathogen recovery between biocide users and non-users.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Tynnan wrote: »
    Tynnan wrote: »
    Also, microwaving your grungy-ass sponge doesn't do shit. In fact it likely just kills off the less harmful bacterial populations and allows the nastier bugs to expand across their remains.

    Scientific Reports: Microbiome analysis and confocal microscopy of used kitchen sponges reveal massive colonization by Acinetobacter, Moraxella and Chryseobacterium species

    NYTimes: Cleaning a Dirty Sponge Only Helps Its Worst Bacteria, Study Says

    I can see how that makes sense, since killing 99% of bacteria leaves alive the most resilient 1% to fuck you up. But those articles don’t mention whether the “hot soapy water” was regular hand soap or antibacterial soap. They should have mentioned that!

    This paper https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00284-012-0172-x (paywalled) sampled kitchen and bathroom sites and found no significant differences in antibiotic resistance or pathogen recovery between biocide users and non-users.

    That seems like a really low number of sites and I’d be curious if anybody repeated the findings. Because seriously, that’s a low number.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    Well I wonder if I could get some bacteria to clean for me....

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    ...And eggs...

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Transform all harmful bacteria into the stuff that eats plastic and also flesh.

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    Virgil_Leads_YouVirgil_Leads_You Proud Father House GardenerRegistered User regular
    Are sponges better/worse than rags / washcloths (warshrags)

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    I feel like I really need to clamp down on wanting to read anything and everything on statistical modeling. I've got to take two courses next year on specifically that, and two more on economic modeling. I think that'll cover quite a bit of ground, if I want more I can do a portfolio certificate in applied stats modeling that goes on my transcript and would be a good signal to employers. Need to slow down a bit and strop trying to do everything

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    DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    In my experience it's the quality of the detergent that determines how bad a sponge smells. Dawn for some reason really smells horrible after only a few days of use.

    "Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
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    JansonJanson Registered User regular
    jgeis wrote: »
    @Moriveth and @Janson don't forget that gig-economy stuff is probably viable in your area (near-ish Seattle, right?) if you need to make ends-meet during your job hunting phase.

    This is very true! I actually have a friend who moved here from Arizona who’s currently an Uber driver.

    Anyway; I really am grateful for all the advice and also PMs of potential jobs I’ve received. I’ve definitely been applying everywhere I can and I just have to remember it’s only been a couple of weeks!

    I have an interview tomorrow for a position in Tacoma, and Mori has one in Seattle, so that’s good!

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    Transform all harmful bacteria into the stuff that eats plastic and also flesh.

    Well there is already bacteria that does that

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    Moriveth wrote: »
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    Moriveth wrote: »
    8 or 9 hours of job hunting a day seems... daunting. Mainly because I'm lucky if I see 1 or 2 jobs a day that I'm qualified for.

    That's a hard cap, not a minimum, for clarity.

    Yeah sorry, I totally interpreted that wrong. The thought of just job hunting for 40 hours a week gives me chills.

    I can't imagine finding jobs that fit your needs and qualifications enough that you could even sustain that, unless you were looking literally everywhere on earth.

    Yeah, I've never understood this idea that job hunting should actually take as many hours as a full time job. Especially not with the internet to reduce travel times.

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    Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    I trimmed the handlebars off my moustache and now my face feels incomplete

    I didn't even know you had a moustache, and now I also know that your moustache does not look like this one:

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    I am rightly disappointed.

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    VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
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    Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    I trimmed the handlebars off my moustache and now my face feels incomplete

    I didn't even know you had a moustache, and now I also know that your moustache does not look like this one:

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    I am rightly disappointed.

    HAHA HI THERE WHAT'S UP HOWS YOU'RE DAY GOIN :tell_me_more:

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    I had a handlebar moustache for a time I shaved it off because I got bored with it

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    Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    Google just poached one of our managers and he sort of told everybody what he's going to be doing there. I strongly suspect he was meant to keep that secret. Maybe he'll be back surprisingly quickly.

    If not: Take me with you! Or at least let me into the canteen occasionally.

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    GrobianGrobian What's on sale? Pliers!Registered User regular
    The job for my wife came back with an offer. The money is fine, it's slightly below the middle of the range she told them. It's also roughly what I make.

    I have looked into overtime laws. Overtime is always voluntary here, but it can be included in the contract. Overtime is also always paid (with a hourly rate computed from your salary and work hours), but again, can be agreed on in the contract. Just stating that overtime is included in the salary makes that clause void, though, there needs to be a cap on the hours or something.

    Her contract as they sent it only stated that overtime might happen if they need it. So that would mean it is unbounded, but also paid. My wife of course requested a clarification, because the offer says something different than they told her.


    The other thing is (and US americans will hate me now) that the vacation time is a bit low. Germany has sick leave independent of vacation but still the average is 29 days/year. (20 days is the minimum by law for a 5 day work week) They offer 26 days. So she is asking for either more vacation time or more pay, maybe we'll get some more out of them. If they say no, she'll take the job anyway.


    The best part of this for me is that I can probably also drop down to 30 hours/week, which gives me more time for my family. Gonna be great to not be away 10 hours every day.

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    KarlKarl Registered User regular
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    Google just poached one of our managers and he sort of told everybody what he's going to be doing there. I strongly suspect he was meant to keep that secret. Maybe he'll be back surprisingly quickly.

    If not: Take me with you! Or at least let me into the canteen occasionally.

    Good for him

    Seriously, Google hires around 4-6K people a year globally. They get 1.5 to 2 million CV's a year.

    I applied for a job there and unsurprisingly didn't hear back. Doing some research, the best way to get a job there is via referral from an existing employee.

    I'm not saying bribe him but.....be nice

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    Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    Mojo_Jojo wrote: »
    Google just poached one of our managers and he sort of told everybody what he's going to be doing there. I strongly suspect he was meant to keep that secret. Maybe he'll be back surprisingly quickly.

    If not: Take me with you! Or at least let me into the canteen occasionally.

    Good for him

    Seriously, Google hires around 4-6K people a year globally. They get 1.5 to 2 million CV's a year.

    I applied for a job there and unsurprisingly didn't hear back. Doing some research, the best way to get a job there is via referral from an existing employee.

    I'm not saying bribe him but.....be nice

    None of the interesting bits are located in the UK as far as I can tell. Unless they want to open an X lab in Cambridge I doubt they'll be after me.

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    And tea

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    DecomposeyDecomposey Registered User regular
    Grobian wrote: »
    The other thing is (and US americans will hate me now) that the vacation time is a bit low. Germany has sick leave independent of vacation but still the average is 29 days/year. (20 days is the minimum by law for a 5 day work week) They offer 26 days. So she is asking for either more vacation time or more pay, maybe we'll get some more out of them. If they say no, she'll take the job anyway.

    Hi, as expected this American is hating you.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    I kind of want to take another sick day but I haven't taken two sick days in a row in maybe 8 years. I don't recall taking more than 1 in a row at this job.

    Bleh. I'm in so much pain with my sinuses.

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    Let me tell you about people working at places like Ford in Germany. Because most employees are part of the same union contract, idenpendently from where in the company they actually work, office workers in such large places get the same vacation days as people working in the manufacturing part. Which leads to people there having now over 50! vacation days for a desk job.

    I'm mad jelly.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    I probably wouldn't accept a job that gave me less than 25 days paid annual leave, tbh (non inclusive of the various bank holidays)

    I might if it was scaled, so after a year or so on 22/23 I'd go to 25, and the job was otherwise desirable.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    I started with 24 and went to 27 last year.

    That's combined sick and PTO.

    I can use all 27 days however I want, though.

    This year they instituted a policy where 10 days are designated as "unchallengeable" by your manager if you mark them as sick leave.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    See combining annual and sick leave seems like a heinous fucking crime to me.

    Like, what if you're on long term sick? That could be months. Getting no holiday for the rest of the year is bullshit.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    Solar wrote: »
    See combining annual and sick leave seems like a heinous fucking crime to me.

    Like, what if you're on long term sick? That could be months. Getting no holiday for the rest of the year is bullshit.

    Wouldn't that be covered by LTD (long term disability)? I've never been in that situation, but I assume anything past 5 days wouldn't dig into your PTO even in the situation I'm in.

    I personally MUCH prefer to have a pool of days I can use as I please because every company I've worked for that has an explicit pool of "sick days" discourages using them. And if you're not the kind of person that gets sick, you lose those days.

    I use all my 1 or 2 of my days every damn year, thanks to this system.

    Edit: All I know is, if I had like 17 vacation and 10 sick days, or 20 vacation and 7 sick, I would be losing days every year.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    We just have annual leave, and if you're ill, you don't come in. I'm not aware of how many days you're allowed to be ill but it's never come up and I'm pretty sure it's "as much as you're ill"

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    We just have annual leave, and if you're ill, you don't come in. I'm not aware of how many days you're allowed to be ill but it's never come up and I'm pretty sure it's "as much as you're ill"

    What does that mean? You have unlimited leave?

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    I personally get an annual leave of 25 days plus bank holidays (of which there are 8, and I could buy 5 more days leave if I wanted but don't) and then if I'm ill then I don't go to work, which is unrelated to any of my annual leave.

    If I was ill regularly I might get a meeting asking me about it after a while, but if I was legitimately sick each time, I doubt I'd have any trouble at all. Especially if I had a doctor's note. There are people who are ill relatively regularly due to chronic condition at my workplace and it doesn't impact their leave allowance whatsoever (as well it shouldn't).

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    Unlimited sick leave. Basically all you need here is a doctor's note. And that only from the second day on.

    I don't know how it works if someone is "sick" for a day every week.

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    HoA-playerHoA-player Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    We just have annual leave, and if you're ill, you don't come in. I'm not aware of how many days you're allowed to be ill but it's never come up and I'm pretty sure it's "as much as you're ill"

    What does that mean? You have unlimited leave?

    It means unlimited sick days but, at least in Germany, you have to get a doctors note if you're sick for more then two consecutive work days.

    Sick days and PTO are independent of each other. In fact if you get sick or injured during your PTO, and get a doctors note, you can get your PTO back.
    Because legally PTO is for relaxing and being sick is not relaxing. But this also means that during PTO you are not legally allowed to work a second job or as a contractor. Because again PTO is meant for relaxing.

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    DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited April 2018
    Ah I see. Sure, that would be great.

    But I think most US employees, at least in private or corporate, non-government work, have nothing approaching unlimited anything. So I think if it's a choice between a limited set of sick + a limited set of annual PTO versus one limited pool of PTO, I'd much rather the latter. Unlimited sick on top of annual PTO is not common, I would say.

    edit: I would love to see statistics about this, honestly.

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