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Strike First, Strike Hard, No Mercy [Cobra Kai] (open spoilers)
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Yeah, as far as specifics in S2 I still haven't re-watched it (only S1 so far.) so you may very well be right. At least it was not so clear cut in S1.
Also yeah his complaining is a little annoying but he isn't lazy. He may be adverse to the sparring exercises but the show implies he is a pretty good student and even does coding, etc in his off time.
Plus Hawk would normally mop the floor with Dmitri but the last thing he expected was for Dmitri to defend himself.
I don't know if I root for anyone on the show because it focuses a lot on everyone's flaws. Maybe Aisha I didn't aggressively hate at some point? I can't really think of anyone else. Some characters I only dislike in one or two episodes, others (Hawk) it is more of a slow burn over the course of the series.
This isn’t the crusader kings 3 thread
When did Dmitri goad anyone into fighting? Calling Hawk out on mic? That was after hawk dumped and tossed a beer on him.
Wax on, wax off?
Or more of a no mercy?
Especially in Season 2 he kept mouthing off to other kids even when they kept trying to drop it. The kids who defected to Myagi-do in particular. Dmitri may not have wanted to fight, but he kept pushing people's buttons until they decided to.
Then consider the ex Cobra Kai members are made up of the same people who chased him through a mall to kick his ass.
He's annoying as fuck for sure, but someone's words are not enough to answer with violence, right? Unless, I suppose, those words were inciting violence, which they weren't.
And yeah he's the only kid who actually represents Miyagi Do by walking / running away from fights.
His story isn't different than everyone else in the series. He is no angel, he is just as flawed as everyone else.
This is about crusader kings 3!
Yeah that game seems rife for out of context misunderstandings.
Strike first, strike hard.
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I didn't say he was.
I don't know what you mean by differentiating "avoiding a fight" versus "running away from a fight"?
Dmitri absolutely harasses and taunts Eli, as well as the ex Cobras. But you don't get to respond to words with violence, however grotesque or infuriating they may be. Karate is for defending oneself or another person.
Fuck the rosebush, marry the centaur.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
"Avoiding a fight" is not starting a fight, or escalating a situation into a fight. Responding to words with violence isn't a "good" action, but if you insult someone who you know is quick to anger and/or prone to violence you are not absolved of fault. The only thing that shows Dmitri has absorbed anything that Daniel was trying to teach was a muscle memory block.
Although, to be fair, Season 2 takes place over the course of 3ish months and only for part of that is Dmitri training and even less is he taking it seriously.
This show reminds me of Pokemon. You know how in Pokemon, everyone has a job related to Pokemon? Everyone in this show is either really into karate or soon to be really into karate, and I find that hilarious.
And that's one of the most normal parts of the show to me.
This is a blatant mischaracterization. Everyone knows this only works if you let karate into your heart.
This is 100% victim blaming (or at least adjacent to it). Insulting someone who is abusive may not be a good idea, but like wearing "THAT" dress, it doesn't make you at fault for the perpetrators actions.
Insulting someone is wrong for it's own host of reasons, and it obviously can be bullying in it's own right, but it doesn't change the fact that someone responding to words with violence is entirely their fault.
Instead he kept antagonizing Johnny, distracting him from a Kreese’s manipulations and by the time Johnny finally catches on, it’s pretty much too late.
Gotta love it when characters create their own monsters and Kreese heading Cobra Kai again is one hell of a beast to take down.
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Except you know that this sort of bullying is the most prevalent form of bullying and one of the most damaging. People have self-esteem issues lasting decades from that kind of bullying. People commit suicide over this kind of bullying.
Dmitri uses the fact that Hawk isn't allowed to retaliate to keep goading him. Like if Hawk didn't resort to violence, then Dmitri would keep going and going until....
Pretending that "its just words" has been the hallmark of bullies like Dmitri for decades and pretending that people should "Just ignore it" has been a failed advice for nearly as long.
What is worse is that in early S1, its obvious that Dmitri was the dominant one in their friendship and that while he might not have bullied Hawk as badly as the regular bullies, he passive-aggressively reinforced it. Like him introducing himself and Hawk as losers to Miguel, "explaining" their situation on his behalf. That is pretty abusive in itself, let pre-Hawk talk about himself dude.
Spoken like someone that has never been on the receiving end of verbal bullying.
Or read my post.
Incorrect on both accounts.
You can use whatever justification you want to respond to someone's words with violence, but it's still unacceptable as a kid and as an adult.
Look, it's clear your comfortable with someone responding to verbal harassment with violence, even encouraging it as the only way Hawk had available to respond to Dmitiri. Which, all right, but I'm not going to keep going around with you.
After said people literally assault him/dump beer on him/verbally abuse him...
Not even close to the same league as the other bullies. Sure he could be better at ignoring the bullies but he is still the single kid on the show that doesnt resort to violence.
It's almost like I COMPLETELY acknowledged that Demetri was in the wrong, but it STILL didn't justify violence. As season 2 progressed it also went FAR past "retaliation for insults". There was pure menace there. I've met people like Hawk. They get a taste of power and completely lose themselves in it when they've been denied it so long.
Demetri starts insufferable, and remains insufferable.
Most of, if not all, of the violence in this show is over perceived slights or disrespect. It would be cool to see someone grow past that immaturity and recognize that one, what someone says about you doesn't define who you are and two while you can't control someone else's actions you can control your responses.
I mean yes Demetri is absolutely insufferable from the get go.
Whereas Hawk starts as sympathetic and evolves into an insufferable asshole.
Wait, no, my apologies that's not quite right: An insufferable violent asshole.
Hawks pure joy at being able to pound the shit out of anyone he wants is terrifying. Sam's injury getting stitched up is ugly as hell and that's why you don't let an intern close your wound.
To each his own, I find Hawk an interesting character and a perfect 80s henchman character.
Hopefully, the Dimitri/Hawk piece allows both of them to continue to grow as characters, as Hawk right now is just "standard 80's teen movie villain", which is INCREDIBLY disappointing for what this show is trying to do with the two main legacy characters.
Hawk is far more interesting and his transformation from insecure outcast to confident martial artist to raging asshole is very well played out in the show. Hawk’s confidence is rooted in his new strength and outlook that Cobra Kai gives him, so for him any threat to Cobra Kai is a direct attack on who he is. It’s also why he hates “nerd shit” now, because it reminds him of how bullied he used to be and to revert to that must be his greatest fear. Power corrupting absolutely and all that jazz.
I hope he gets a good arc in the end.
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So apparently the co-creator of Cobra Kai was also the writer for the Harold and Kumar series?
Why has this cameo not happened yet?
Well that would depend on how hard he gets thrown and if he bounces.