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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Yeah, they’re plenty of ways to hide yourself on the internet; use a burner email address, use public WiFi, get a VPN, etc.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    The idea of receiving child porn images as hate mail is absolutely insane to me and I don't understand it.

    The general idea behind it I think is that the law doesn't have a mens rea requirement. So the goal is to abuse that to get them arrested.

    I know of a guy who fixed computers who called the police when he found child porn on a computer. Since it was in his possession they arrested him and he was convicted (no time served but a lifetime on the sex offender list for being a good citizen).

    My written policy was some shit about the privacy and integrity of your data. It sounds really professional but the crux of it is unless it's MY kids or MY credit card number or MY stolen laptop or something, I didn't see shit (please ignore the nominal data integrity fee on your receipt).

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    Hevach wrote: »
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    The idea of receiving child porn images as hate mail is absolutely insane to me and I don't understand it.

    The general idea behind it I think is that the law doesn't have a mens rea requirement. So the goal is to abuse that to get them arrested.

    I know of a guy who fixed computers who called the police when he found child porn on a computer. Since it was in his possession they arrested him and he was convicted (no time served but a lifetime on the sex offender list for being a good citizen).

    If true, please get him an interview with Fox News, they'd eat it up.
    Hevach wrote: »
    My written policy was some shit about the privacy and integrity of your data. It sounds really professional but the crux of it is unless it's MY kids or MY credit card number or MY stolen laptop or something, I didn't see shit (please ignore the nominal data integrity fee on your receipt).

    Hold on, you take bribes to ignore child porn?

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    furlionfurlion Riskbreaker Lea MondeRegistered User regular
    Didn't something similar happen in the UK? A news agency found child porn on Facebook and when they continued them about it Facebook called the police on them? I don't have time to look now but I am sure one of you can find it.

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    furlion wrote: »
    Didn't something similar happen in the UK? A news agency found child porn on Facebook and when they continued them about it Facebook called the police on them? I don't have time to look now but I am sure one of you can find it.

    I googled the exact words in your post and found:

    https://money.cnn.com/2017/03/07/media/facebook-child-pornography-bbc/index.html

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    I can't remember where but I also read an interview with a journalist who'd tried to get a big scoop on the child porn community and ended up needing to publish under a false name and not with their regular employer because they'd ended up breaking a fuck ton of laws in the process. People have also been prosecuted for as little as a couple images in their web cache, and a few countries have even discussed (maybe gone through with?) banning small breasted women from porn because they look too much like child porn.

    Laws around child porn are really shitty, but since the butt is spraying in approximately the direction of people both ends of the spectrum hate its political poison to try to do anything but make it worse.

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    furlionfurlion Riskbreaker Lea MondeRegistered User regular
    furlion wrote: »
    Didn't something similar happen in the UK? A news agency found child porn on Facebook and when they continued them about it Facebook called the police on them? I don't have time to look now but I am sure one of you can find it.

    I googled the exact words in your post and found:

    https://money.cnn.com/2017/03/07/media/facebook-child-pornography-bbc/index.html

    Ha I knew it! Thanks for finding that I posted during my break at work and didn't have time to look for it.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited June 2019
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/18/sandy-hook-massacre-victim-father-wins-defamation-lawsuit

    One of the Sandy Hook parents has won a defamation claim against the authors of Nobody Died At Sandy Hook, James Fetzer and Mike Palacek. Damages will be determined in October, so things aren't over, but the judgement is in on this one.

    Dave Gahary, from the publisher Moon Rock Books, has also recanted his belief in the conspiracy and pulled the book from shelves (their website still sells the limited autographed edition but not the standard one, while it seems to have been delisted everywhere else). Gahary is still a shitheel who believes just about all the other shootings are fake, but, you know... baby steps.

    There's still at least eight other lawsuits against deniers going around Sandy Hook, and the parents of victims are still being forced to abandon homes and live in hiding by human skidmarks like Alex Jones and his followers. Hopefully the damages will be a big enough number to shut some of them up.

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    GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/jfk-jr-qanon-july-4/
    The oldest son of President Kennedy had a checkered career as he moved into adulthood, first dabbling in acting, then law, then publishing. He, his wife Caroline, and her sister Lauren all died in a plane crash on July 16, 1999, when he became disoriented flying over water at night and plunged into the Atlantic Ocean. Their bodies were recovered, and the final minutes of the flight reconstructed down to the second.

    Except… many believers in QAnon don’t think JFK Jr. died that warm night in July at all, but instead faked his death, and went underground to protect himself from a plot by Hillary Clinton to kill him and secure a U.S. Senate seat. And he’s spent the last 20 years preparing for the day when Donald Trump would unveil the son of their beloved JFK as his new vice president.

    The “JFK Jr. is alive” conspiracy theory has become one of the signature issues of the QAnon movement, dividing followers between those who think it’s gospel and those who think it’s nuts, and stringing the believers along on an endless odyssey of spotting lookalikes at rallies and waiting for the great day to arrive.

    There have already been several supposed days that were prophesied to see JFK Jr.’s return, including last November and December. But rather than give up, many believers are now convinced that July 4, 2019, will be the day. Using a combination of gematria (the pseudoscience of manipulating numbers to “reveal” non-existent secret information), confirmation bias, wishful thinking, and supposed clues in Q drops, these believers, now think they’ve pinned down the real day when the truth will be revealed.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    https://www.rt.com/usa/463227-panic-rumors-pence-emergency/

    A Russian submarine had a fire that killed 14 sailors monday. As a result, TuesdayPutin cancelled a meeting. Pretty reasonable thing, right?

    The webosphere is freaking out because, according to Twitter conspiracy peddler Luke Rudkowski, within the span of a few hours, the EU Security Council had an unscheduled emergency meeting and VP Pence returned to the White House and cancelled his plans for the day on short notice. The White House has said that there was no emergency, but a matter did require either Pence or Trump's attention and Pence was closer. The matter did not concern Pence's health, Trump's health, or the Russian sub fire and Putin's changes of plans today.

    The EU Security Council has given no explanation for their emergency meeting, largely owing to the fact that it doesn't exist.

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    Wait, the meeting doesn't exist, or the EU Security Council doesn't exist? You know what, it's probably both.

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    chrisnl wrote: »
    Wait, the meeting doesn't exist, or the EU Security Council doesn't exist? You know what, it's probably both.

    The meeting existing when the Council doesn't would be hilarious

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    davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    chrisnl wrote: »
    Wait, the meeting doesn't exist, or the EU Security Council doesn't exist? You know what, it's probably both.

    The meeting existing when the Council doesn't would be hilarious
    Thats precisely what they want you to think. Oh it’s just so implausible. Suuuuuure.

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    furlionfurlion Riskbreaker Lea MondeRegistered User regular
    edited July 2019
    This thread is a serious source of amusement so I will add that I have a few friends that are way too into conspiracy theories. Not deep enough that we can't be friends, but deep enough that I feel a bit of pity for them. One friend, call him A believes that dragons were real. He claims that given how many different societies have flying lizards, and how similar they look, there must have been something. He specifically sites the similarity between South American depictions of Quetzalcoatl (or however it is spelled) compared to Chinese/Japanese dragons. I tried to point out that there are literally flying (gliding) snakes in South America, and that China and Japan both have fairly large native lizard species (the giant salamander of Japan is fucking massive). But nope. Dragons.

    Just thought I would try and contribute a little.

    Edit: well shit upon actually looking at Wikipedia it appears that gliding snakes are actually native to Southeast Asia and not South America. Not sure why I assumed the conspiracy nut would have correct information but I did.

    And it appears that Quetzalcoatl is actually from the southern portion of North America and not South America. Damn my buddy has none of his facts straight

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    Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    furlion wrote: »
    This thread is a serious source of amusement so I will add that I have a few friends that are way too into conspiracy theories. Not deep enough that we can't be friends, but deep enough that I feel a bit of pity for them. One friend, call him A believes that dragons were real. He claims that given how many different societies have flying lizards, and how similar they look, there must have been something. He specifically sites the similarity between South American depictions of Quetzalcoatl (or however it is spelled) compared to Chinese/Japanese dragons. I tried to point out that there are literally flying (gliding) snakes in South America, and that China and Japan both have fairly large native lizard species (the giant salamander of Japan is fucking massive). But nope. Dragons.

    Just thought I would try and contribute a little.

    Edit: well shit upon actually looking at Wikipedia it appears that gliding snakes are actually native to Southeast Asia and not South America. Not sure why I assumed the conspiracy nut would have correct information but I did.

    And it appears that Quetzalcoatl is actually from the southern portion of North America and not South America. Damn my buddy has none of his facts straight

    The dragon thing started because Europeans decided to call the radically different creatures from Asian myth by the same name.

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Fus Roh Dah is real, ergo dragons are real.

    I shouted at a piece of paper and it flew.

    Then I shouted at my kids and they flew too.

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    Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 One of the multitude of Dans infesting this place Registered User regular
    Fus Roh Dah is real, ergo dragons are real.

    I shouted at a piece of paper and it flew.

    Then I shouted at my kids and they flew too.

    Weird way to describe CPS involvement, but okay.

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Fus Roh Dah is real, ergo dragons are real.

    I shouted at a piece of paper and it flew.

    Then I shouted at my kids and they flew too.

    Weird way to describe CPS involvement, but okay.

    My loot is my loot.

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    BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    furlion wrote: »
    This thread is a serious source of amusement so I will add that I have a few friends that are way too into conspiracy theories. Not deep enough that we can't be friends, but deep enough that I feel a bit of pity for them. One friend, call him A believes that dragons were real. He claims that given how many different societies have flying lizards, and how similar they look, there must have been something. He specifically sites the similarity between South American depictions of Quetzalcoatl (or however it is spelled) compared to Chinese/Japanese dragons. I tried to point out that there are literally flying (gliding) snakes in South America, and that China and Japan both have fairly large native lizard species (the giant salamander of Japan is fucking massive). But nope. Dragons.

    Just thought I would try and contribute a little.

    Edit: well shit upon actually looking at Wikipedia it appears that gliding snakes are actually native to Southeast Asia and not South America. Not sure why I assumed the conspiracy nut would have correct information but I did.

    And it appears that Quetzalcoatl is actually from the southern portion of North America and not South America. Damn my buddy has none of his facts straight

    There also literally were giant flying reptiles on the earth at one point... although I do wonder how much fossilized remains contributed to dragon myths, or if that's working backwards and the fact that Dinosaurs existed is just a cute coincidence.

    This all does remind me of one of my favorite creationist theories, which states that Parasaurolophus could breathe fire, thus explaining the complex and unusual hollow chambers in its head, and also (because obviously it co-existed with ancient humans in the young earth) explains away dragons.
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    NorgothNorgoth cardiffRegistered User regular
    edited July 2019
    furlion wrote: »
    This thread is a serious source of amusement so I will add that I have a few friends that are way too into conspiracy theories. Not deep enough that we can't be friends, but deep enough that I feel a bit of pity for them. One friend, call him A believes that dragons were real. He claims that given how many different societies have flying lizards, and how similar they look, there must have been something. He specifically sites the similarity between South American depictions of Quetzalcoatl (or however it is spelled) compared to Chinese/Japanese dragons. I tried to point out that there are literally flying (gliding) snakes in South America, and that China and Japan both have fairly large native lizard species (the giant salamander of Japan is fucking massive). But nope. Dragons.

    Just thought I would try and contribute a little.

    Edit: well shit upon actually looking at Wikipedia it appears that gliding snakes are actually native to Southeast Asia and not South America. Not sure why I assumed the conspiracy nut would have correct information but I did.

    And it appears that Quetzalcoatl is actually from the southern portion of North America and not South America. Damn my buddy has none of his facts straight

    There also literally were giant flying reptiles on the earth at one point... although I do wonder how much fossilized remains contributed to dragon myths, or if that's working backwards and the fact that Dinosaurs existed is just a cute coincidence.

    This all does remind me of one of my favorite creationist theories, which states that Parasaurolophus could breathe fire, thus explaining the complex and unusual hollow chambers in its head, and also (because obviously it co-existed with ancient humans in the young earth) explains away dragons.
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    My favourite dinosaur bones/myth thing is that beaked dinosaurs skulls lead to griffins, which makes a ton of sense when you see one.


    Edit:See a dinosaur skull. Not a griffin.

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    FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    Mild conspiracy theorists are not very rare, or at least Im surrounded by them. I have a friend A who belives the moon landing was faked but is pretty normal otherwise, then theres coworker B who avoids giving his opinion about all the conspiracy talk, but Ive managed to get him to admit that he belives in ghosts, but I think thats just the tip of the iceberg. I suspect it extends to psychics, witches and the USA having captured an alien, wich I think is the door to all the deep government and conspiracy stuff.

    Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
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    NinjeffNinjeff Registered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    Mild conspiracy theorists are not very rare, or at least Im surrounded by them. I have a friend A who belives the moon landing was faked but is pretty normal otherwise, then theres coworker B who avoids giving his opinion about all the conspiracy talk, but Ive managed to get him to admit that he belives in ghosts, but I think thats just the tip of the iceberg. I suspect it extends to psychics, witches and the USA having captured an alien, wich I think is the door to all the deep government and conspiracy stuff.

    I get so irrationally mad at Moon conspiracy theorists. I'm not sure why but that one makes me more mad than all the others.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Norgoth wrote: »
    furlion wrote: »
    This thread is a serious source of amusement so I will add that I have a few friends that are way too into conspiracy theories. Not deep enough that we can't be friends, but deep enough that I feel a bit of pity for them. One friend, call him A believes that dragons were real. He claims that given how many different societies have flying lizards, and how similar they look, there must have been something. He specifically sites the similarity between South American depictions of Quetzalcoatl (or however it is spelled) compared to Chinese/Japanese dragons. I tried to point out that there are literally flying (gliding) snakes in South America, and that China and Japan both have fairly large native lizard species (the giant salamander of Japan is fucking massive). But nope. Dragons.

    Just thought I would try and contribute a little.

    Edit: well shit upon actually looking at Wikipedia it appears that gliding snakes are actually native to Southeast Asia and not South America. Not sure why I assumed the conspiracy nut would have correct information but I did.

    And it appears that Quetzalcoatl is actually from the southern portion of North America and not South America. Damn my buddy has none of his facts straight

    There also literally were giant flying reptiles on the earth at one point... although I do wonder how much fossilized remains contributed to dragon myths, or if that's working backwards and the fact that Dinosaurs existed is just a cute coincidence.

    This all does remind me of one of my favorite creationist theories, which states that Parasaurolophus could breathe fire, thus explaining the complex and unusual hollow chambers in its head, and also (because obviously it co-existed with ancient humans in the young earth) explains away dragons.
    4jnh2h.jpg


    My favourite dinosaur bones/myth thing is that beaked dinosaurs skulls lead to griffins, which makes a ton of sense when you see one.


    Edit:See a dinosaur skull. Not a griffin.

    You’re not putting that lizard man back in the bottle. This was the proof I’ve needed all along!

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    Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    Ninjeff wrote: »
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    Mild conspiracy theorists are not very rare, or at least Im surrounded by them. I have a friend A who belives the moon landing was faked but is pretty normal otherwise, then theres coworker B who avoids giving his opinion about all the conspiracy talk, but Ive managed to get him to admit that he belives in ghosts, but I think thats just the tip of the iceberg. I suspect it extends to psychics, witches and the USA having captured an alien, wich I think is the door to all the deep government and conspiracy stuff.

    I get so irrationally mad at Moon conspiracy theorists. I'm not sure why but that one makes me more mad than all the others.

    I love Hollow Moon conspiracies, personally.

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    yossarian_livesyossarian_lives Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    All the conspiracy theories surrounding the moon are hilarious. I occasionally stumble across arguments claiming that it’s super weird for a whole bunch of reasons. Supposedly its shape and orbit are unlikely? Which seems like bullshit to me considering we’ve never actually explored other solar systems so we can’t know that definitively. But I guess alien spaceship is a sexier explanation.

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    FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    All the conspiracy theories surrounding the moon are hilarious. I occasionally stumble across arguments claiming that it’s super weird for a whole bunch of reasons. Supposedly its shape and orbit are unlikely? Which seems like bullshit to me considering we’ve never actually explored other solar systems so we can’t know that definitively. But I guess alien spaceship is a sexier explanation.

    If I was an alien, and could afford a spaceship, I would definitely buy something more sci-fi looking than the moon.

    Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    There are some amusing / fun conspiracy theories about the moon, and then there are the moon landing deniers who can just fuck right off with that shit.

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    evilmrhenryevilmrhenry Registered User regular
    All the conspiracy theories surrounding the moon are hilarious. I occasionally stumble across arguments claiming that it’s super weird for a whole bunch of reasons. Supposedly its shape and orbit are unlikely? Which seems like bullshit to me considering we’ve never actually explored other solar systems so we can’t know that definitively. But I guess alien spaceship is a sexier explanation.

    The Moon is a bit weird, there's just a difference between "that's a bit weird" and "therefore aliens/God". (One of the groups that pushes the theory that the Moon is needed for life on Earth to exist is creationists. To them, I say the same thing as everything else they say about how unlikely it is for life on Earth to exist: "If life on Earth wasn't here, we wouldn't be around to notice.")

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    Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    All the conspiracy theories surrounding the moon are hilarious. I occasionally stumble across arguments claiming that it’s super weird for a whole bunch of reasons. Supposedly its shape and orbit are unlikely? Which seems like bullshit to me considering we’ve never actually explored other solar systems so we can’t know that definitively. But I guess alien spaceship is a sexier explanation.

    If I was an alien, and could afford a spaceship, I would definitely buy something more sci-fi looking than the moon.

    Well, in Gurren Lagann it could transform between a rocky planetoid disguise, a moon-sized spaceship called, and a moon-sized robot (piloted by a guy in three successively larger robots).

    The real, non-artificial moon also existed, but was stored in an alternate dimension until the false moon/spaceship/robot put it back into Earth's orbit before departing.

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    chrisnl wrote: »
    There are some amusing / fun conspiracy theories about the moon, and then there are the moon landing deniers who can just fuck right off with that shit.

    Battlezone was a leaked training simulator

    (Some would even allege that it was a Last Starfighter scenario, but I was never contacted so that's obviously not true.)

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    Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt (effective against Russian warships) Registered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    All the conspiracy theories surrounding the moon are hilarious. I occasionally stumble across arguments claiming that it’s super weird for a whole bunch of reasons. Supposedly its shape and orbit are unlikely? Which seems like bullshit to me considering we’ve never actually explored other solar systems so we can’t know that definitively. But I guess alien spaceship is a sexier explanation.

    If I was an alien, and could afford a spaceship, I would definitely buy something more sci-fi looking than the moon.

    I mean, you know how fast a car gets dusty when you leave it sitting in a parking lot? Just imagine what happens when you park your ship in orbit for a couple billion years.

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    NEO|PhyteNEO|Phyte They follow the stars, bound together. Strands in a braid till the end.Registered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    All the conspiracy theories surrounding the moon are hilarious. I occasionally stumble across arguments claiming that it’s super weird for a whole bunch of reasons. Supposedly its shape and orbit are unlikely? Which seems like bullshit to me considering we’ve never actually explored other solar systems so we can’t know that definitively. But I guess alien spaceship is a sexier explanation.

    If I was an alien, and could afford a spaceship, I would definitely buy something more sci-fi looking than the moon.

    I mean, you know how fast a car gets dusty when you leave it sitting in a parking lot? Just imagine what happens when you park your ship in orbit for a couple billion years.

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    Fus Roh Dah is real, ergo dragons are real.

    I shouted at a piece of paper and it flew.

    Then I shouted at my kids and they flew too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPHtAHxB3iI

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Something Stupid is my alt handle, how did you know?

    Coincidence, or conspiracy?!

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    All the conspiracy theories surrounding the moon are hilarious. I occasionally stumble across arguments claiming that it’s super weird for a whole bunch of reasons. Supposedly its shape and orbit are unlikely? Which seems like bullshit to me considering we’ve never actually explored other solar systems so we can’t know that definitively. But I guess alien spaceship is a sexier explanation.

    The Moon is a bit weird, there's just a difference between "that's a bit weird" and "therefore aliens/God". (One of the groups that pushes the theory that the Moon is needed for life on Earth to exist is creationists. To them, I say the same thing as everything else they say about how unlikely it is for life on Earth to exist: "If life on Earth wasn't here, we wouldn't be around to notice.")

    You know, I had heard years ago that the tidal forces from the Moon help to keep the Earth's core molten, which is part of the reason why Mars doesn't have a molten core while we do. Doing some quick reading just now, that doesn't seem to be the scientific consensus and it is far more likely due to radioactive elements decaying. So I guess Earth just got lucky with its composition compared to Mars?

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    chrisnl wrote: »
    All the conspiracy theories surrounding the moon are hilarious. I occasionally stumble across arguments claiming that it’s super weird for a whole bunch of reasons. Supposedly its shape and orbit are unlikely? Which seems like bullshit to me considering we’ve never actually explored other solar systems so we can’t know that definitively. But I guess alien spaceship is a sexier explanation.

    The Moon is a bit weird, there's just a difference between "that's a bit weird" and "therefore aliens/God". (One of the groups that pushes the theory that the Moon is needed for life on Earth to exist is creationists. To them, I say the same thing as everything else they say about how unlikely it is for life on Earth to exist: "If life on Earth wasn't here, we wouldn't be around to notice.")

    You know, I had heard years ago that the tidal forces from the Moon help to keep the Earth's core molten, which is part of the reason why Mars doesn't have a molten core while we do. Doing some quick reading just now, that doesn't seem to be the scientific consensus and it is far more likely due to radioactive elements decaying. So I guess Earth just got lucky with its composition compared to Mars?

    The Earth is also bigger than Mars thus more stuff in the core to begin with. And the lunar formation impact probably added some.

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    HevachHevach Registered User regular
    Higher gravity also helped condense them into the core better than Mars.

    Venus almost certainly has a molten core for the same reasons as Earth. It's fucked up rotation means we can't detect it from a magnetic field so to be certain we'll have to wait to confirm, I don't think there's any orbiters and I know there's no landers planned any time soon.

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    chrisnl wrote: »
    All the conspiracy theories surrounding the moon are hilarious. I occasionally stumble across arguments claiming that it’s super weird for a whole bunch of reasons. Supposedly its shape and orbit are unlikely? Which seems like bullshit to me considering we’ve never actually explored other solar systems so we can’t know that definitively. But I guess alien spaceship is a sexier explanation.

    The Moon is a bit weird, there's just a difference between "that's a bit weird" and "therefore aliens/God". (One of the groups that pushes the theory that the Moon is needed for life on Earth to exist is creationists. To them, I say the same thing as everything else they say about how unlikely it is for life on Earth to exist: "If life on Earth wasn't here, we wouldn't be around to notice.")

    You know, I had heard years ago that the tidal forces from the Moon help to keep the Earth's core molten, which is part of the reason why Mars doesn't have a molten core while we do. Doing some quick reading just now, that doesn't seem to be the scientific consensus and it is far more likely due to radioactive elements decaying. So I guess Earth just got lucky with its composition compared to Mars?

    The Earth is also bigger than Mars thus more stuff in the core to begin with. And the lunar formation impact probably added some.

    So what you're saying is the Moon is necessary for there being life on Earth!

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    To be fair, energy added via gravitational tides isn’t nothing either.

    All of it to one degree or another is why we still have a powerful magnetic field compared to Mars.

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    SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    Going back to the "I hate moon landing deniers" thing, I think the reason why it specifically resonates with me is because landing on the moon is, as far as I am concerned, the crowning achievement of mankind. Human beings left our planet, flew almost a quarter of a million miles, landed on another object in our solar system, and then flew back. Then we did it five more times.

    Fifty years ago.

    The Wright Brothers made the first heavier than air human flight in 1903, and we put men on the moon in 1969. In the space of 66 years we went from "No human being has ever flown in an airplane before" to "There are two human beings standing on the Moon". That blows my goddamned mind.

    When people deny that level of achievement it bothers me much more than 9/11 was Jewish holograms or Ted Cruz is a serial killing sentient gay frog or that flat jet fuel can't melt Sandy Hooks or whatever. Most modern conspiracy theories revolve around tragedy, or at least around some sort of suffering. The faked Moon landing conspiracy theory is one of the few that revolve around triumph, and I think that it what sets it apart from the others, and what evokes the level of response that it gets from some people who do not believe in it.

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