Area 51 and alien conspiracy nuts are pretty harmless IMO. There's no need to shoot them, as mentioned above, there's surely nothing all that sensitive at Area 51 anyway, move out what is and let the dummies in and get some positive publicity out of it if anything really ever happened en masse (it won't)
Now, those land stealing rancher psychos threatening war with the Feds and pointing assault weapons at police and taking over national monuments should be dealt with with extreme prejudice. Those are the assholes that get away with it every time and are a real danger.
You can't be black and belligerent towards the cops in this country without being beaten or shot to death, but these sov citizen motherfuckers seem to get away with anything they want.
When I did night security for an apartment building, some old guy tried to tell me that the run off from paper mills (or something) was a super cure-all being held back by big pharma via government regulation. I wish I’d had the awareness at the time to tell him that if it really was that good and not just poison, pharmaceutical companies would buy it all up and sell it at a premium.
As someone who used to work in a paper mill, the mental image of someone drinking a glass of untreated effluent is just...wow.
Stuff is chock full of nasty things we had to mechanically, chemically, and biologically remove before it was considered safe to put back in the river.
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I think the Area 51 Facebook event is up over a million people now? If even 100,000 show up, that's a huge deal. If even 10,000 people show up, that's probably more than can easily be riot controlled. Most actual riots have well less than 10,000 people in one place. It could also very quickly turn into a humanitarian problem if you have 10,000+ people show up in the desert with probably not enough water or food and unreliable transportation back to civilization.
If I were the USAF I would lean all the way in. Set up the base as a tourist trap "Alien Welcome Center" for a day. Have guys in rubber alien suits dancing around and hand out cheesy plastic UFO paraphernalia like you see at gift shops. Maybe have MIGs in hangers for people to look at. Then give everyone a bottle of water, a portajohn to pee in, and a bus ride back to Vegas and call it a day.
It's not the first time some conspiracy group has had a sign up like this. I think it's the first one to become an actual internet joke, which inflated the sign up numbers but won't do much to real attendance.
The previous biggest as far as I know goes to chemtrailers. 25k sign ups, three or four actually showed up. Pizzagate had one, too, few hundred sign ups, one show up.
Similar non-conspiracy events include the DC truck blockade and a similar biker event - thousands and tens of thousands of sign ups, respectively, ones and fives of actual attendees.
Activisim is HARD, whether it's rational or not. Clicking an internet button is super easy.
It also makes for a confluence of Conspiracy Theory shenanigans, and how fucked our current geopolitical situation is.
If someone told me that this Area 51 thing was just some Russians trolling the US while also hoping to start a domestic incident/fuck with the US military and wasting time, attention and resources, I'd believe it.
If someone then told me that was all a ruse, it's actually home grown, and I just fell for my own self-made conspiracy theory, I guess I'd just shrug and say 'oh, well, guess I got myself there'.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
I think the Area 51 Facebook event is up over a million people now? If even 100,000 show up, that's a huge deal. If even 10,000 people show up, that's probably more than can easily be riot controlled. Most actual riots have well less than 10,000 people in one place. It could also very quickly turn into a humanitarian problem if you have 10,000+ people show up in the desert with probably not enough water or food and unreliable transportation back to civilization.
If I were the USAF I would lean all the way in. Set up the base as a tourist trap "Alien Welcome Center" for a day. Have guys in rubber alien suits dancing around and hand out cheesy plastic UFO paraphernalia like you see at gift shops. Maybe have MIGs in hangers for people to look at. Then give everyone a bottle of water, a portajohn to pee in, and a bus ride back to Vegas and call it a day.
With how the USAF is asking people not to attend via the threat of violence I feel this would be a better thing as it would cost a couple of thousand to set up and you can spin it as good will
It's not the first time some conspiracy group has had a sign up like this. I think it's the first one to become an actual internet joke, which inflated the sign up numbers but won't do much to real attendance.
The previous biggest as far as I know goes to chemtrailers. 25k sign ups, three or four actually showed up. Pizzagate had one, too, few hundred sign ups, one show up.
Similar non-conspiracy events include the DC truck blockade and a similar biker event - thousands and tens of thousands of sign ups, respectively, ones and fives of actual attendees.
Activisim is HARD, whether it's rational or not. Clicking an internet button is super easy.
There's whole anti-vax cruises and conferences, Aliens is a little wackier (and less scam ridden perhaps?) but I could easily believe a few thousand could turn up.
Think it really depends if any organisations are doing the logistics, seems like you could make a lot of money taking early bookings for coaches knowing a lot won't turn up when you send out your confirmation requests a day or two before.
It's not the first time some conspiracy group has had a sign up like this. I think it's the first one to become an actual internet joke, which inflated the sign up numbers but won't do much to real attendance.
The previous biggest as far as I know goes to chemtrailers. 25k sign ups, three or four actually showed up. Pizzagate had one, too, few hundred sign ups, one show up.
Similar non-conspiracy events include the DC truck blockade and a similar biker event - thousands and tens of thousands of sign ups, respectively, ones and fives of actual attendees.
Activisim is HARD, whether it's rational or not. Clicking an internet button is super easy.
There's whole anti-vax cruises and conferences, Aliens is a little wackier (and less scam ridden perhaps?) but I could easily believe a few thousand could turn up.
Think it really depends if any organisations are doing the logistics, seems like you could make a lot of money taking early bookings for coaches knowing a lot won't turn up when you send out your confirmation requests a day or two before.
Wait anti-vax cruises? There are just so many ways that seems like an incredibly bad idea.
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I dunno, they could get marooned. No vaccines for them, no antivaxxers for us. Seems dope, really.
I thought everyone knew all the aliens shit was moved to a secret bunker under Hanger 18 at the Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio?
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Ah but we can access any American military base in the world via the underground highways connecting the Dulce Base with the rest of America's military infrastructure!
Someone at work is convinced that the aliens are scared of us. I started to try and explain all the ways that is blatantly impossible but my mind went too many places at once and I sounded like I was having a stroke.
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Someone at work is convinced that the aliens are scared of us. I started to try and explain all the ways that is blatantly impossible but my mind went too many places at once and I sounded like I was having a stroke.
We are a scary species, I can honestly see a variety of contact scenarios where a technologically superior species would still consider us a danger.
A. A peaceful visitor once they investigate how we might react to contact - our cultural fascination with both annihilation scenarios and asymmetric warfare against alien Invaders, and the ubiquity of stories in which alien visitors are autopsied or experimented upon.
B. A species capable of interstellar travel, but with limited ability to project force over such distances - while we would have a military disadvantage they would have an extreme logistical disadvantage, while we are armed hilariously beyond our own defensive capabilities.
C. A species not capable of personal interstellar travel who have robotic missions to our environs and have gathered what data they can, drawing similar conclusions to group A but less tempered by accurate gauging of our real capabilities.
D. The builders of the (For this scenario real and manned) Roswell saucer, who have already underestimated us resulting in the loss of a craft and crew, who now must also contend with determining what we might have gleaned from the wreckage and bodies, or Zarquon forbid survivors.
E. I consider the sci-fi standard of humans advancing faster than anyone else (see: Star Trek's Earth-Romulus War, Mass Effect's First Contact War, the later Stargate series, etc) rather silly in general, but in one to one comparisons it's reasonable that another species spent much longer in technological stages we've blown through in the last few hundred years, and might be alarmed to have discovered us in a late pre-industrial age and the follow up mission found a swarm of satellites and a permanent manned space station and robots all over the solar system and thousands of doomsday weapons and isotopic evidence that we've actually USED them.
Someone at work is convinced that the aliens are scared of us. I started to try and explain all the ways that is blatantly impossible but my mind went too many places at once and I sounded like I was having a stroke.
We are a scary species, I can honestly see a variety of contact scenarios where a technologically superior species would still consider us a danger.
A. A peaceful visitor once they investigate how we might react to contact - our cultural fascination with both annihilation scenarios and asymmetric warfare against alien Invaders, and the ubiquity of stories in which alien visitors are autopsied or experimented upon.
B. A species capable of interstellar travel, but with limited ability to project force over such distances - while we would have a military disadvantage they would have an extreme logistical disadvantage, while we are armed hilariously beyond our own defensive capabilities.
C. A species not capable of personal interstellar travel who have robotic missions to our environs and have gathered what data they can, drawing similar conclusions to group A but less tempered by accurate gauging of our real capabilities.
D. The builders of the (For this scenario real and manned) Roswell saucer, who have already underestimated us resulting in the loss of a craft and crew, who now must also contend with determining what we might have gleaned from the wreckage and bodies, or Zarquon forbid survivors.
E. I consider the sci-fi standard of humans advancing faster than anyone else (see: Star Trek's Earth-Romulus War, Mass Effect's First Contact War, the later Stargate series, etc) rather silly in general, but in one to one comparisons it's reasonable that another species spent much longer in technological stages we've blown through in the last few hundred years, and might be alarmed to have discovered us in a late pre-industrial age and the follow up mission found a swarm of satellites and a permanent manned space station and robots all over the solar system and thousands of doomsday weapons and isotopic evidence that we've actually USED them.
There was a sci-fi series I remember where humans get recruited as soldiers for an on-going pan-galactic conflict because when one side finds our planet they are like "Holy shit you people are violent. What is wrong with the lot of you?"
It's not the first time some conspiracy group has had a sign up like this. I think it's the first one to become an actual internet joke, which inflated the sign up numbers but won't do much to real attendance.
The previous biggest as far as I know goes to chemtrailers. 25k sign ups, three or four actually showed up. Pizzagate had one, too, few hundred sign ups, one show up.
Similar non-conspiracy events include the DC truck blockade and a similar biker event - thousands and tens of thousands of sign ups, respectively, ones and fives of actual attendees.
Activisim is HARD, whether it's rational or not. Clicking an internet button is super easy.
There's whole anti-vax cruises and conferences, Aliens is a little wackier (and less scam ridden perhaps?) but I could easily believe a few thousand could turn up.
Think it really depends if any organisations are doing the logistics, seems like you could make a lot of money taking early bookings for coaches knowing a lot won't turn up when you send out your confirmation requests a day or two before.
Wait anti-vax cruises? There are just so many ways that seems like an incredibly bad idea.
Sorry, getting my conspiracies mixed up (or maybe stumbling upon a deeper truth!), apparently I meant Flat Earth cruises*. Anti-vaxxers just hold depressing conferences cosplaying as actual medical ones.
* No better yet it was a bitcoin cruise I was thinking of, the Flat Earth expedition is setting off next year. Though it did make sense to me that the bitcoin cruise was infested with various Goldbug speakers and businesses, thirsty for booty. Pretty sure there were some antivax guys speaking there too, or at least with a stall.
Someone at work is convinced that the aliens are scared of us. I started to try and explain all the ways that is blatantly impossible but my mind went too many places at once and I sounded like I was having a stroke.
We are a scary species, I can honestly see a variety of contact scenarios where a technologically superior species would still consider us a danger.
A. A peaceful visitor once they investigate how we might react to contact - our cultural fascination with both annihilation scenarios and asymmetric warfare against alien Invaders, and the ubiquity of stories in which alien visitors are autopsied or experimented upon.
B. A species capable of interstellar travel, but with limited ability to project force over such distances - while we would have a military disadvantage they would have an extreme logistical disadvantage, while we are armed hilariously beyond our own defensive capabilities.
C. A species not capable of personal interstellar travel who have robotic missions to our environs and have gathered what data they can, drawing similar conclusions to group A but less tempered by accurate gauging of our real capabilities.
D. The builders of the (For this scenario real and manned) Roswell saucer, who have already underestimated us resulting in the loss of a craft and crew, who now must also contend with determining what we might have gleaned from the wreckage and bodies, or Zarquon forbid survivors.
E. I consider the sci-fi standard of humans advancing faster than anyone else (see: Star Trek's Earth-Romulus War, Mass Effect's First Contact War, the later Stargate series, etc) rather silly in general, but in one to one comparisons it's reasonable that another species spent much longer in technological stages we've blown through in the last few hundred years, and might be alarmed to have discovered us in a late pre-industrial age and the follow up mission found a swarm of satellites and a permanent manned space station and robots all over the solar system and thousands of doomsday weapons and isotopic evidence that we've actually USED them.
There was a sci-fi series I remember where humans get recruited as soldiers for an on-going pan-galactic conflict because when one side finds our planet they are like "Holy shit you people are violent. What is wrong with the lot of you?"
This is basically the backstory of the Inhumans - a galaxy crushing empire that routinely destroys entire star systems and considers extinction a primary victory condition in trade disputes found primitive humans and went, "Dude, what the fuck?"
Sorry, getting my conspiracies mixed up (or maybe stumbling upon a deeper truth!), apparently I meant Flat Earth cruises*. Anti-vaxxers just hold depressing conferences cosplaying as actual medical ones.
* No better yet it was a bitcoin cruise I was thinking of, the Flat Earth expedition is setting off next year. Though it did make sense to me that the bitcoin cruise was infested with various Goldbug speakers and businesses, thirsty for booty. Pretty sure there were some antivax guys speaking there too, or at least with a stall.
"This is your captain speaking, I'm afraid we're taking a slight detour from your original cruise and we'll be following the path of the Magellan-Elcano Expedition. Sorry for the convenience."
Wait, the south pole has land - so surely the edges are at the north pole where there is only ice? Not sure if it's more aesthetically pleasing to have all the 'spokes' of the continents pointing inwards to the hub in Antarctica rather than to the edge.
Wait a second more - is there a reason all the pointy bits of continents go down? The Americas - flat top, pointy bottom. Africa - flat top, pointy bottom, Asia/India - flat top, pointy bottom, Indonesia/Australasia - excluded because they don't fit this pattern! Was Antarctica the hub of Pangaea, with the pointy bits coming from splitting a roughly circular continent out from a central core?
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Someone at work is convinced that the aliens are scared of us. I started to try and explain all the ways that is blatantly impossible but my mind went too many places at once and I sounded like I was having a stroke.
We are a scary species, I can honestly see a variety of contact scenarios where a technologically superior species would still consider us a danger.
A. A peaceful visitor once they investigate how we might react to contact - our cultural fascination with both annihilation scenarios and asymmetric warfare against alien Invaders, and the ubiquity of stories in which alien visitors are autopsied or experimented upon.
B. A species capable of interstellar travel, but with limited ability to project force over such distances - while we would have a military disadvantage they would have an extreme logistical disadvantage, while we are armed hilariously beyond our own defensive capabilities.
C. A species not capable of personal interstellar travel who have robotic missions to our environs and have gathered what data they can, drawing similar conclusions to group A but less tempered by accurate gauging of our real capabilities.
D. The builders of the (For this scenario real and manned) Roswell saucer, who have already underestimated us resulting in the loss of a craft and crew, who now must also contend with determining what we might have gleaned from the wreckage and bodies, or Zarquon forbid survivors.
E. I consider the sci-fi standard of humans advancing faster than anyone else (see: Star Trek's Earth-Romulus War, Mass Effect's First Contact War, the later Stargate series, etc) rather silly in general, but in one to one comparisons it's reasonable that another species spent much longer in technological stages we've blown through in the last few hundred years, and might be alarmed to have discovered us in a late pre-industrial age and the follow up mission found a swarm of satellites and a permanent manned space station and robots all over the solar system and thousands of doomsday weapons and isotopic evidence that we've actually USED them.
There was a sci-fi series I remember where humans get recruited as soldiers for an on-going pan-galactic conflict because when one side finds our planet they are like "Holy shit you people are violent. What is wrong with the lot of you?"
Someone at work is convinced that the aliens are scared of us. I started to try and explain all the ways that is blatantly impossible but my mind went too many places at once and I sounded like I was having a stroke.
We are a scary species, I can honestly see a variety of contact scenarios where a technologically superior species would still consider us a danger.
A. A peaceful visitor once they investigate how we might react to contact - our cultural fascination with both annihilation scenarios and asymmetric warfare against alien Invaders, and the ubiquity of stories in which alien visitors are autopsied or experimented upon.
B. A species capable of interstellar travel, but with limited ability to project force over such distances - while we would have a military disadvantage they would have an extreme logistical disadvantage, while we are armed hilariously beyond our own defensive capabilities.
C. A species not capable of personal interstellar travel who have robotic missions to our environs and have gathered what data they can, drawing similar conclusions to group A but less tempered by accurate gauging of our real capabilities.
D. The builders of the (For this scenario real and manned) Roswell saucer, who have already underestimated us resulting in the loss of a craft and crew, who now must also contend with determining what we might have gleaned from the wreckage and bodies, or Zarquon forbid survivors.
E. I consider the sci-fi standard of humans advancing faster than anyone else (see: Star Trek's Earth-Romulus War, Mass Effect's First Contact War, the later Stargate series, etc) rather silly in general, but in one to one comparisons it's reasonable that another species spent much longer in technological stages we've blown through in the last few hundred years, and might be alarmed to have discovered us in a late pre-industrial age and the follow up mission found a swarm of satellites and a permanent manned space station and robots all over the solar system and thousands of doomsday weapons and isotopic evidence that we've actually USED them.
There was a sci-fi series I remember where humans get recruited as soldiers for an on-going pan-galactic conflict because when one side finds our planet they are like "Holy shit you people are violent. What is wrong with the lot of you?"
Alan Dean Foster's The Damned trilogy
I read a short story by maybe Asimov where other humanoid species could not get hysterical for lack of a better word in groups larger then 5. So no mobs, no lynches, no huge masses of emotionally charged people period. They thought we would win because we would function better as military units since we could almost form a hive mind like unit in our zealotry.
Also while that list is cool, he specifically meant afraid they would lose to us in a fight. The odds of a species being advanced enough to reach us but primitive enough to not be able to wipe us out is too big of a stretch for me.
Also you forgot about the bug menace.
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Someone at work is convinced that the aliens are scared of us. I started to try and explain all the ways that is blatantly impossible but my mind went too many places at once and I sounded like I was having a stroke.
We are a scary species, I can honestly see a variety of contact scenarios where a technologically superior species would still consider us a danger.
A. A peaceful visitor once they investigate how we might react to contact - our cultural fascination with both annihilation scenarios and asymmetric warfare against alien Invaders, and the ubiquity of stories in which alien visitors are autopsied or experimented upon.
B. A species capable of interstellar travel, but with limited ability to project force over such distances - while we would have a military disadvantage they would have an extreme logistical disadvantage, while we are armed hilariously beyond our own defensive capabilities.
C. A species not capable of personal interstellar travel who have robotic missions to our environs and have gathered what data they can, drawing similar conclusions to group A but less tempered by accurate gauging of our real capabilities.
D. The builders of the (For this scenario real and manned) Roswell saucer, who have already underestimated us resulting in the loss of a craft and crew, who now must also contend with determining what we might have gleaned from the wreckage and bodies, or Zarquon forbid survivors.
E. I consider the sci-fi standard of humans advancing faster than anyone else (see: Star Trek's Earth-Romulus War, Mass Effect's First Contact War, the later Stargate series, etc) rather silly in general, but in one to one comparisons it's reasonable that another species spent much longer in technological stages we've blown through in the last few hundred years, and might be alarmed to have discovered us in a late pre-industrial age and the follow up mission found a swarm of satellites and a permanent manned space station and robots all over the solar system and thousands of doomsday weapons and isotopic evidence that we've actually USED them.
There was a sci-fi series I remember where humans get recruited as soldiers for an on-going pan-galactic conflict because when one side finds our planet they are like "Holy shit you people are violent. What is wrong with the lot of you?"
Alan Dean Foster's The Damned trilogy
I read a short story by maybe Asimov where other humanoid species could not get hysterical for lack of a better word in groups larger then 5. So no mobs, no lynches, no huge masses of emotionally charged people period. They thought we would win because we would function better as military units since we could almost form a hive mind like unit in our zealotry.
Also while that list is cool, he specifically meant afraid they would lose to us in a fight. The odds of a species being advanced enough to reach us but primitive enough to not be able to wipe us out is too big of a stretch for me.
Also you forgot about the bug menace.
There was an old short story with that premise. "A different path" or something like that.
Someone at work is convinced that the aliens are scared of us. I started to try and explain all the ways that is blatantly impossible but my mind went too many places at once and I sounded like I was having a stroke.
We are a scary species, I can honestly see a variety of contact scenarios where a technologically superior species would still consider us a danger.
A. A peaceful visitor once they investigate how we might react to contact - our cultural fascination with both annihilation scenarios and asymmetric warfare against alien Invaders, and the ubiquity of stories in which alien visitors are autopsied or experimented upon.
B. A species capable of interstellar travel, but with limited ability to project force over such distances - while we would have a military disadvantage they would have an extreme logistical disadvantage, while we are armed hilariously beyond our own defensive capabilities.
C. A species not capable of personal interstellar travel who have robotic missions to our environs and have gathered what data they can, drawing similar conclusions to group A but less tempered by accurate gauging of our real capabilities.
D. The builders of the (For this scenario real and manned) Roswell saucer, who have already underestimated us resulting in the loss of a craft and crew, who now must also contend with determining what we might have gleaned from the wreckage and bodies, or Zarquon forbid survivors.
E. I consider the sci-fi standard of humans advancing faster than anyone else (see: Star Trek's Earth-Romulus War, Mass Effect's First Contact War, the later Stargate series, etc) rather silly in general, but in one to one comparisons it's reasonable that another species spent much longer in technological stages we've blown through in the last few hundred years, and might be alarmed to have discovered us in a late pre-industrial age and the follow up mission found a swarm of satellites and a permanent manned space station and robots all over the solar system and thousands of doomsday weapons and isotopic evidence that we've actually USED them.
There was a sci-fi series I remember where humans get recruited as soldiers for an on-going pan-galactic conflict because when one side finds our planet they are like "Holy shit you people are violent. What is wrong with the lot of you?"
Alan Dean Foster's The Damned trilogy
I read a short story by maybe Asimov where other humanoid species could not get hysterical for lack of a better word in groups larger then 5. So no mobs, no lynches, no huge masses of emotionally charged people period. They thought we would win because we would function better as military units since we could almost form a hive mind like unit in our zealotry.
Also while that list is cool, he specifically meant afraid they would lose to us in a fight. The odds of a species being advanced enough to reach us but primitive enough to not be able to wipe us out is too big of a stretch for me.
Also you forgot about the bug menace.
There was an old short story with that premise. "A different path" or something like that.
Someone at work is convinced that the aliens are scared of us. I started to try and explain all the ways that is blatantly impossible but my mind went too many places at once and I sounded like I was having a stroke.
We are a scary species, I can honestly see a variety of contact scenarios where a technologically superior species would still consider us a danger.
A. A peaceful visitor once they investigate how we might react to contact - our cultural fascination with both annihilation scenarios and asymmetric warfare against alien Invaders, and the ubiquity of stories in which alien visitors are autopsied or experimented upon.
B. A species capable of interstellar travel, but with limited ability to project force over such distances - while we would have a military disadvantage they would have an extreme logistical disadvantage, while we are armed hilariously beyond our own defensive capabilities.
C. A species not capable of personal interstellar travel who have robotic missions to our environs and have gathered what data they can, drawing similar conclusions to group A but less tempered by accurate gauging of our real capabilities.
D. The builders of the (For this scenario real and manned) Roswell saucer, who have already underestimated us resulting in the loss of a craft and crew, who now must also contend with determining what we might have gleaned from the wreckage and bodies, or Zarquon forbid survivors.
E. I consider the sci-fi standard of humans advancing faster than anyone else (see: Star Trek's Earth-Romulus War, Mass Effect's First Contact War, the later Stargate series, etc) rather silly in general, but in one to one comparisons it's reasonable that another species spent much longer in technological stages we've blown through in the last few hundred years, and might be alarmed to have discovered us in a late pre-industrial age and the follow up mission found a swarm of satellites and a permanent manned space station and robots all over the solar system and thousands of doomsday weapons and isotopic evidence that we've actually USED them.
There was a sci-fi series I remember where humans get recruited as soldiers for an on-going pan-galactic conflict because when one side finds our planet they are like "Holy shit you people are violent. What is wrong with the lot of you?"
Alan Dean Foster's The Damned trilogy
I read a short story by maybe Asimov where other humanoid species could not get hysterical for lack of a better word in groups larger then 5. So no mobs, no lynches, no huge masses of emotionally charged people period. They thought we would win because we would function better as military units since we could almost form a hive mind like unit in our zealotry.
Also while that list is cool, he specifically meant afraid they would lose to us in a fight. The odds of a species being advanced enough to reach us but primitive enough to not be able to wipe us out is too big of a stretch for me.
Also you forgot about the bug menace.
There was an old short story with that premise. "A different path" or something like that.
No that was a different story the path less traveled or something like that. They accidentally discovered space travel, but still had 1800's tech in every other area. They show up with muskets and our military mows them down.
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Someone at work is convinced that the aliens are scared of us. I started to try and explain all the ways that is blatantly impossible but my mind went too many places at once and I sounded like I was having a stroke.
We are a scary species, I can honestly see a variety of contact scenarios where a technologically superior species would still consider us a danger.
A. A peaceful visitor once they investigate how we might react to contact - our cultural fascination with both annihilation scenarios and asymmetric warfare against alien Invaders, and the ubiquity of stories in which alien visitors are autopsied or experimented upon.
B. A species capable of interstellar travel, but with limited ability to project force over such distances - while we would have a military disadvantage they would have an extreme logistical disadvantage, while we are armed hilariously beyond our own defensive capabilities.
C. A species not capable of personal interstellar travel who have robotic missions to our environs and have gathered what data they can, drawing similar conclusions to group A but less tempered by accurate gauging of our real capabilities.
D. The builders of the (For this scenario real and manned) Roswell saucer, who have already underestimated us resulting in the loss of a craft and crew, who now must also contend with determining what we might have gleaned from the wreckage and bodies, or Zarquon forbid survivors.
E. I consider the sci-fi standard of humans advancing faster than anyone else (see: Star Trek's Earth-Romulus War, Mass Effect's First Contact War, the later Stargate series, etc) rather silly in general, but in one to one comparisons it's reasonable that another species spent much longer in technological stages we've blown through in the last few hundred years, and might be alarmed to have discovered us in a late pre-industrial age and the follow up mission found a swarm of satellites and a permanent manned space station and robots all over the solar system and thousands of doomsday weapons and isotopic evidence that we've actually USED them.
There was a sci-fi series I remember where humans get recruited as soldiers for an on-going pan-galactic conflict because when one side finds our planet they are like "Holy shit you people are violent. What is wrong with the lot of you?"
Alan Dean Foster's The Damned trilogy
I read a short story by maybe Asimov where other humanoid species could not get hysterical for lack of a better word in groups larger then 5. So no mobs, no lynches, no huge masses of emotionally charged people period. They thought we would win because we would function better as military units since we could almost form a hive mind like unit in our zealotry.
Also while that list is cool, he specifically meant afraid they would lose to us in a fight. The odds of a species being advanced enough to reach us but primitive enough to not be able to wipe us out is too big of a stretch for me.
Also you forgot about the bug menace.
There was an old short story with that premise. "A different path" or something like that.
No that was a different story the path less traveled or something like that. They accidentally discovered space travel, but still had 1800's tech in every other area. They show up with muskets and our military mows them down.
That's the one. That seems to fit his premise, advanced enough to reach us but not enough to defeat us.
Someone at work is convinced that the aliens are scared of us. I started to try and explain all the ways that is blatantly impossible but my mind went too many places at once and I sounded like I was having a stroke.
We are a scary species, I can honestly see a variety of contact scenarios where a technologically superior species would still consider us a danger.
A. A peaceful visitor once they investigate how we might react to contact - our cultural fascination with both annihilation scenarios and asymmetric warfare against alien Invaders, and the ubiquity of stories in which alien visitors are autopsied or experimented upon.
B. A species capable of interstellar travel, but with limited ability to project force over such distances - while we would have a military disadvantage they would have an extreme logistical disadvantage, while we are armed hilariously beyond our own defensive capabilities.
C. A species not capable of personal interstellar travel who have robotic missions to our environs and have gathered what data they can, drawing similar conclusions to group A but less tempered by accurate gauging of our real capabilities.
D. The builders of the (For this scenario real and manned) Roswell saucer, who have already underestimated us resulting in the loss of a craft and crew, who now must also contend with determining what we might have gleaned from the wreckage and bodies, or Zarquon forbid survivors.
E. I consider the sci-fi standard of humans advancing faster than anyone else (see: Star Trek's Earth-Romulus War, Mass Effect's First Contact War, the later Stargate series, etc) rather silly in general, but in one to one comparisons it's reasonable that another species spent much longer in technological stages we've blown through in the last few hundred years, and might be alarmed to have discovered us in a late pre-industrial age and the follow up mission found a swarm of satellites and a permanent manned space station and robots all over the solar system and thousands of doomsday weapons and isotopic evidence that we've actually USED them.
There was a sci-fi series I remember where humans get recruited as soldiers for an on-going pan-galactic conflict because when one side finds our planet they are like "Holy shit you people are violent. What is wrong with the lot of you?"
Alan Dean Foster's The Damned trilogy
I read a short story by maybe Asimov where other humanoid species could not get hysterical for lack of a better word in groups larger then 5. So no mobs, no lynches, no huge masses of emotionally charged people period. They thought we would win because we would function better as military units since we could almost form a hive mind like unit in our zealotry.
Also while that list is cool, he specifically meant afraid they would lose to us in a fight. The odds of a species being advanced enough to reach us but primitive enough to not be able to wipe us out is too big of a stretch for me.
Also you forgot about the bug menace.
There was an old short story with that premise. "A different path" or something like that.
The Road Not Taken by Harry Turtledove. Maybe my favorite sci fi short story.
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Just slowly walking after a wounded mammoth like fucking Michael Myers, just implacable and tireless.
Don't forget throwing things. While there are a few other species that can throw things, there's not many, and we're better than most of them. This allows us to attack food/predators from a distance, which prevents us from getting hurt. (Thus allowing us to wound the mammoth without getting into goring range.)
Just slowly walking after a wounded mammoth like fucking Michael Myers, just implacable and tireless.
And then we step on the wrong twig and die of an infection :P
Those that survived the Twig Wars came out stronger and more ready to destroy the alien fiends!
They still pass the stories down of that nightmare; The Twig Wars turned brother against brother as one could never know if the twigs used for campfire and hunting were “wrong” or “right” until it was too late. One moment, your nomadic tribe is resting after a long day of foraging, the next moment, the pile of twigs for tonight’s fire leaps upon the unsuspecting people. Those that survive look for whom to blame, so they turn upon each other, always wary of the next time someone brings back a “wrong” twig...
The nightmare only ended at great cost.
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Now, those land stealing rancher psychos threatening war with the Feds and pointing assault weapons at police and taking over national monuments should be dealt with with extreme prejudice. Those are the assholes that get away with it every time and are a real danger.
You can't be black and belligerent towards the cops in this country without being beaten or shot to death, but these sov citizen motherfuckers seem to get away with anything they want.
As for pointing weapons at police, those guys get done too. Jerry Delemys is in jail. Robert Finicum is in the ground.
As someone who used to work in a paper mill, the mental image of someone drinking a glass of untreated effluent is just...wow.
Stuff is chock full of nasty things we had to mechanically, chemically, and biologically remove before it was considered safe to put back in the river.
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I shouldn't have to say this, but don't post stuff like this wishing death on people.
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If I were the USAF I would lean all the way in. Set up the base as a tourist trap "Alien Welcome Center" for a day. Have guys in rubber alien suits dancing around and hand out cheesy plastic UFO paraphernalia like you see at gift shops. Maybe have MIGs in hangers for people to look at. Then give everyone a bottle of water, a portajohn to pee in, and a bus ride back to Vegas and call it a day.
The previous biggest as far as I know goes to chemtrailers. 25k sign ups, three or four actually showed up. Pizzagate had one, too, few hundred sign ups, one show up.
Similar non-conspiracy events include the DC truck blockade and a similar biker event - thousands and tens of thousands of sign ups, respectively, ones and fives of actual attendees.
Activisim is HARD, whether it's rational or not. Clicking an internet button is super easy.
The local infrastructure for people to stay (food/shelter/lodging)around there is not big enough.
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If someone told me that this Area 51 thing was just some Russians trolling the US while also hoping to start a domestic incident/fuck with the US military and wasting time, attention and resources, I'd believe it.
If someone then told me that was all a ruse, it's actually home grown, and I just fell for my own self-made conspiracy theory, I guess I'd just shrug and say 'oh, well, guess I got myself there'.
With how the USAF is asking people not to attend via the threat of violence I feel this would be a better thing as it would cost a couple of thousand to set up and you can spin it as good will
There's whole anti-vax cruises and conferences, Aliens is a little wackier (and less scam ridden perhaps?) but I could easily believe a few thousand could turn up.
Think it really depends if any organisations are doing the logistics, seems like you could make a lot of money taking early bookings for coaches knowing a lot won't turn up when you send out your confirmation requests a day or two before.
Wait anti-vax cruises? There are just so many ways that seems like an incredibly bad idea.
There was a guy whom people kept showing me on youtube about this underground base and the running battle they had with the aliens
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I mean, they can show up. Not enough food, water, etc won’t be a concern until they’re actually there.
We are a scary species, I can honestly see a variety of contact scenarios where a technologically superior species would still consider us a danger.
A. A peaceful visitor once they investigate how we might react to contact - our cultural fascination with both annihilation scenarios and asymmetric warfare against alien Invaders, and the ubiquity of stories in which alien visitors are autopsied or experimented upon.
B. A species capable of interstellar travel, but with limited ability to project force over such distances - while we would have a military disadvantage they would have an extreme logistical disadvantage, while we are armed hilariously beyond our own defensive capabilities.
C. A species not capable of personal interstellar travel who have robotic missions to our environs and have gathered what data they can, drawing similar conclusions to group A but less tempered by accurate gauging of our real capabilities.
D. The builders of the (For this scenario real and manned) Roswell saucer, who have already underestimated us resulting in the loss of a craft and crew, who now must also contend with determining what we might have gleaned from the wreckage and bodies, or Zarquon forbid survivors.
E. I consider the sci-fi standard of humans advancing faster than anyone else (see: Star Trek's Earth-Romulus War, Mass Effect's First Contact War, the later Stargate series, etc) rather silly in general, but in one to one comparisons it's reasonable that another species spent much longer in technological stages we've blown through in the last few hundred years, and might be alarmed to have discovered us in a late pre-industrial age and the follow up mission found a swarm of satellites and a permanent manned space station and robots all over the solar system and thousands of doomsday weapons and isotopic evidence that we've actually USED them.
There was a sci-fi series I remember where humans get recruited as soldiers for an on-going pan-galactic conflict because when one side finds our planet they are like "Holy shit you people are violent. What is wrong with the lot of you?"
Sorry, getting my conspiracies mixed up (or maybe stumbling upon a deeper truth!), apparently I meant Flat Earth cruises*. Anti-vaxxers just hold depressing conferences cosplaying as actual medical ones.
* No better yet it was a bitcoin cruise I was thinking of, the Flat Earth expedition is setting off next year. Though it did make sense to me that the bitcoin cruise was infested with various Goldbug speakers and businesses, thirsty for booty. Pretty sure there were some antivax guys speaking there too, or at least with a stall.
This is basically the backstory of the Inhumans - a galaxy crushing empire that routinely destroys entire star systems and considers extinction a primary victory condition in trade disputes found primitive humans and went, "Dude, what the fuck?"
"This is your captain speaking, I'm afraid we're taking a slight detour from your original cruise and we'll be following the path of the Magellan-Elcano Expedition. Sorry for the convenience."
Wait a second more - is there a reason all the pointy bits of continents go down? The Americas - flat top, pointy bottom. Africa - flat top, pointy bottom, Asia/India - flat top, pointy bottom, Indonesia/Australasia - excluded because they don't fit this pattern! Was Antarctica the hub of Pangaea, with the pointy bits coming from splitting a roughly circular continent out from a central core?
Don't be ridiculous, Veevee.
Everybody knows they're all in the Denver airport.
You might think you recognize this as an absurdly easy thing to debunk but you'd be wrong because something something globist propaganda.
That's why the Flat Earth cruise is sticking to warmer Caribbean waters. That and the whole holiday thing, let's not be crazy here.
Alan Dean Foster's The Damned trilogy
I read a short story by maybe Asimov where other humanoid species could not get hysterical for lack of a better word in groups larger then 5. So no mobs, no lynches, no huge masses of emotionally charged people period. They thought we would win because we would function better as military units since we could almost form a hive mind like unit in our zealotry.
Also while that list is cool, he specifically meant afraid they would lose to us in a fight. The odds of a species being advanced enough to reach us but primitive enough to not be able to wipe us out is too big of a stretch for me.
Also you forgot about the bug menace.
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There was an old short story with that premise. "A different path" or something like that.
It’s not a very important country most of the time
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No that was a different story the path less traveled or something like that. They accidentally discovered space travel, but still had 1800's tech in every other area. They show up with muskets and our military mows them down.
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That's the one. That seems to fit his premise, advanced enough to reach us but not enough to defeat us.
It’s not a very important country most of the time
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The Road Not Taken by Harry Turtledove. Maybe my favorite sci fi short story.
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We are terrifying as a species.
And then we step on the wrong twig and die of an infection :P
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Don't forget throwing things. While there are a few other species that can throw things, there's not many, and we're better than most of them. This allows us to attack food/predators from a distance, which prevents us from getting hurt. (Thus allowing us to wound the mammoth without getting into goring range.)
Those that survived the Twig Wars came out stronger and more ready to destroy the alien fiends!
They still pass the stories down of that nightmare; The Twig Wars turned brother against brother as one could never know if the twigs used for campfire and hunting were “wrong” or “right” until it was too late. One moment, your nomadic tribe is resting after a long day of foraging, the next moment, the pile of twigs for tonight’s fire leaps upon the unsuspecting people. Those that survive look for whom to blame, so they turn upon each other, always wary of the next time someone brings back a “wrong” twig...
The nightmare only ended at great cost.
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