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[Destiny 2] Forsaken: Dance Like Nobody's Shooting (At You)

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  • metaghostmetaghost An intriguing odor A delicate touchRegistered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    squall99x wrote: »
    So the Shadows of Yor which are basically Dredgen Yor's fanboys/followers take "Dredgen" as a title before their name, kinda like "Darth" in Star Wars. So he isn't actually Dredgen Yor - the lore clarifies that he definitely ran with those guys and was considered a member. There are some hints though that The Drifter basically always plays all sides against one another in an attempt to come out on top, without ever actually being truly dedicated in reality to anyone but himself. There are lore cards with him tacitly working with Shin Malphur, told from Shin's point of view where its obvious they have a strange bedfellows arrangement both assuming they will come out on top when the other tries to double cross them. etc etc.

    Ahhhhh cool.

    Man this game has such cool (and deep) lore, none of which is presented in game or the story.

    @squall99x is describing to you story details revealed in-game via the Lore Book titled The Drifter, as well as information revealed during the Malfeasance questline and attached to the Malfeasance gun.

    It's in the game. Moreso than EA Sports.

  • BursarBursar Hee Noooo! PDX areaRegistered User regular
    Forsaken story (yes, I'm still doing it):
    Petra is a TRASH TIER SNIPER. Uldren is literally standing completely still staring at a shard, and she doesn't even almost hit him.

    Just finished Voice of Riven fight, that was intense solo.
    The lady has no depth perception, give her a break.

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  • KhraulKhraul Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    squall99x wrote: »
    Khraul wrote: »
    Just read this on reddit and it was news to me...

    Spider Bounty Tip: if the symbol on the bounty icon is white, the wanted is located in a Lost Sector. If the symbol is red, it's an over world public enemy/HVT.

    Yep, the text description gives it away as well. If it says a specific lost sector name it is obviously in there. If it just gives the name of a zone subsection it is a wandering HVT.

    Making some pretty broad assumptions about me "reading" fella

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    reading is for nerds

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    metaghost wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    squall99x wrote: »
    So the Shadows of Yor which are basically Dredgen Yor's fanboys/followers take "Dredgen" as a title before their name, kinda like "Darth" in Star Wars. So he isn't actually Dredgen Yor - the lore clarifies that he definitely ran with those guys and was considered a member. There are some hints though that The Drifter basically always plays all sides against one another in an attempt to come out on top, without ever actually being truly dedicated in reality to anyone but himself. There are lore cards with him tacitly working with Shin Malphur, told from Shin's point of view where its obvious they have a strange bedfellows arrangement both assuming they will come out on top when the other tries to double cross them. etc etc.

    Ahhhhh cool.

    Man this game has such cool (and deep) lore, none of which is presented in game or the story.

    @squall99x is describing to you story details revealed in-game via the Lore Book titled The Drifter, as well as information revealed during the Malfeasance questline and attached to the Malfeasance gun.

    It's in the game. Moreso than EA Sports.

    I mean...technically, I guess? But it doesn't come up in dialogue, or cut-scenes, or any of the stuff that's not squirreled away 3 menus deep, which basically means it's not in game for any player who doesn't feel like spending time searching for it.

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Wait, are you saying a lore heavy game can't feasibly fit in all the world building needed to flesh out a story as deep as this one, and that maybe they show the most important bits to tantalize those of us interested into learning more about it without forcing it down our throats?

    crazy

    Local H Jay on
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    does anything like the D1 grimoire exist online?

    by which i mean can know what i have and haven't unlocked?

    i want to read the stuff i've unlocked, and it honestly feels like a total waste of time to in-game, but i have all the time in the world at work

    but i don't want to read things i haven't unlocked yet

    monkey paw much? never satisfied? maybe

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    The Destiny Companion app has all the Lore entries you've unlocked available to read

    It's about the only thing its good for tbh

  • VagabondVagabond Sans Gravitas Glimmer Mafia DonRegistered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    metaghost wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    squall99x wrote: »
    So the Shadows of Yor which are basically Dredgen Yor's fanboys/followers take "Dredgen" as a title before their name, kinda like "Darth" in Star Wars. So he isn't actually Dredgen Yor - the lore clarifies that he definitely ran with those guys and was considered a member. There are some hints though that The Drifter basically always plays all sides against one another in an attempt to come out on top, without ever actually being truly dedicated in reality to anyone but himself. There are lore cards with him tacitly working with Shin Malphur, told from Shin's point of view where its obvious they have a strange bedfellows arrangement both assuming they will come out on top when the other tries to double cross them. etc etc.

    Ahhhhh cool.

    Man this game has such cool (and deep) lore, none of which is presented in game or the story.

    @squall99x is describing to you story details revealed in-game via the Lore Book titled The Drifter, as well as information revealed during the Malfeasance questline and attached to the Malfeasance gun.

    It's in the game. Moreso than EA Sports.

    I mean...technically, I guess? But it doesn't come up in dialogue, or cut-scenes, or any of the stuff that's not squirreled away 3 menus deep, which basically means it's not in game for any player who doesn't feel like spending time searching for it.

    Creating vignettes for the lore pieces would be an amazing solution, but it would also mean less Lore gets created, and that would make me sad.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    The Destiny Companion app has all the Lore entries you've unlocked available to read

    It's about the only thing its good for tbh

    oh nice

    cool deal

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  • rndmherorndmhero Registered User regular
    Xur for those of you who, for some reason, haven't stamped out hope:

    Vigilance Wing
    Starfire Protocol
    Fr0st-EE5
    Armamentarium

  • DodgeBlanDodgeBlan PSN: dodgeblanRegistered User regular
    Wait, are you saying a lore heavy game can't feasibly fit in all the world building needed to flesh out a story as deep as this one, and that maybe they show the most important bits to tantalize those of us interested into learning more about it without forcing it down our throats?

    crazy

    Well it’s more like destiny tries to put up a big wall between the background stuff and the main stuff and anytime they cross over it extremely sucks

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  • tastydonutstastydonuts Registered User regular
    Xur is elling the ARMAMAMAAMMAMAMAMAtarium.

    Starfire protocol and frosties too. but... meh.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    You're not all the way wrong, but Taken King and Forsaken tackled lore stuff pretty well imo. It's all in how they handle the approach, they need to show, not tell via clumsy dialouge.

    Certain stories have these really great and flowery prose that would probably sound really cringey read aloud, but then again I'm the kind of guy who watches lore videos to fall asleep so who knows

    Local H Jay on
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Twice in a row, last night and tonight, it hasn't awarded me a Light Vs Light kill in Gambit. I'm starting to think it may be bugged.

    But I did get a Trinity Ghoul tonight randomly so that's cool

    Hmm, this may explain why I've been stuck at 7/10 for so long.

    I just need those last 3 kills and then the ship and sparrow and I've got my title.

  • ToasticusToasticus yeah YEAHRegistered User regular
    Forsaken story (yes, I'm still doing it):
    Petra is a TRASH TIER SNIPER. Uldren is literally standing completely still staring at a shard, and she doesn't even almost hit him.

    Just finished Voice of Riven fight, that was intense solo.

    edit: Death to Kells from an Evereverse level engram!

    My take on that was
    that the Mara Sov hallucination appeared and spoke just at the moment Petra was taking the shot, causing Uldren to suddenly move and turn. From Petra's perspective, Mara Sov isn't there, so it would look like Uldren just suddenly dodged for no reason.

    It doesn't come across well in the cinematic, though, because it's shown from Uldren's perspective, rather than that of Petra lining up her shot. They probably could have had her miss by less, too.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Toasticus wrote: »
    Forsaken story (yes, I'm still doing it):
    Petra is a TRASH TIER SNIPER. Uldren is literally standing completely still staring at a shard, and she doesn't even almost hit him.

    Just finished Voice of Riven fight, that was intense solo.

    edit: Death to Kells from an Evereverse level engram!

    My take on that was
    that the Mara Sov hallucination appeared and spoke just at the moment Petra was taking the shot, causing Uldren to suddenly move and turn. From Petra's perspective, Mara Sov isn't there, so it would look like Uldren just suddenly dodged for no reason.

    It doesn't come across well in the cinematic, though, because it's shown from Uldren's perspective, rather than that of Petra lining up her shot. They probably could have had her miss by less, too.
    Yeah, she actually talks to him to make him move a bit so she misses. Riven is keeping her boy alive.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    does anything like the D1 grimoire exist online?

    by which i mean can know what i have and haven't unlocked?

    i want to read the stuff i've unlocked, and it honestly feels like a total waste of time to in-game, but i have all the time in the world at work

    but i don't want to read things i haven't unlocked yet

    monkey paw much? never satisfied? maybe

    https://www.ishtar-collective.net/

    AFAIK it has every single lore card from D1 and every single lore entry, on the guns and the armour and in the triumph screen, from D2.

    It's not the greatest organized, it's a very loosely tagged database, but it'll get you what you want. For some of the stories that are spread across an entire armour set you need to sit there with a second window open with the names of the armour pieces so you know which to open and in what order.

  • ToasticusToasticus yeah YEAHRegistered User regular
    edited November 2018
    shryke wrote: »
    Yeah, she actually talks to him to make him move a bit so she misses. Riven is keeping her boy alive.
    Oh, most definitely!

    NB: If you haven't finished the Forsaken campaign yet, don't read Shryke's spoiler.

    Toasticus on
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    DodgeBlan wrote: »
    Wait, are you saying a lore heavy game can't feasibly fit in all the world building needed to flesh out a story as deep as this one, and that maybe they show the most important bits to tantalize those of us interested into learning more about it without forcing it down our throats?

    crazy

    Well it’s more like destiny tries to put up a big wall between the background stuff and the main stuff and anytime they cross over it extremely sucks

    “THERE WERE THESE BOOKS... CALLED THE BOOK OF SORROW. TOLD THE TALE OF ORYX... SPOOKY STUFF”

    The lore works really well going from stuff in game to the lore entries. "Oh, it's the Leviathan, what's up with this place? Oh, here's lore entries covering it all, that's cool".

    Where it tends to fall apart a bit is when the people writing the ingame dialogue and such try to put the stuff in the lore entries back into the game (Osiris, like everything Ghost says throughout the D2 campaigns, the complete lack of acknowledgement of what is supposed to be going on with us and Calus in game for the most part, etc, etc)

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    shryke wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    does anything like the D1 grimoire exist online?

    by which i mean can know what i have and haven't unlocked?

    i want to read the stuff i've unlocked, and it honestly feels like a total waste of time to in-game, but i have all the time in the world at work

    but i don't want to read things i haven't unlocked yet

    monkey paw much? never satisfied? maybe

    https://www.ishtar-collective.net/

    AFAIK it has every single lore card from D1 and every single lore entry, on the guns and the armour and in the triumph screen, from D2.

    It's not the greatest organized, it's a very loosely tagged database, but it'll get you what you want. For some of the stories that are spread across an entire armour set you need to sit there with a second window open with the names of the armour pieces so you know which to open and in what order.

    yeah my issue with ishtar collective is reading stuff i haven't unlocked yet and also the organization heh

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  • cB557cB557 voOOP Registered User regular
    You can also use db.destinytracker.

  • Zombie GandhiZombie Gandhi Registered User regular
    squall99x wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Peen wrote: »
    This post contains a lore spoiler, related to triumphs.
    People are getting the Gambit title from completing all of the Gambit triumphs and it is "Dredgen," so yeah. I think that settles the debate about the Drifter.
    How is he still around after being killed by Shin Malphur?
    So the Shadows of Yor which are basically Dredgen Yor's fanboys/followers take "Dredgen" as a title before their name, kinda like "Darth" in Star Wars. So he isn't actually Dredgen Yor - the lore clarifies that he definitely ran with those guys and was considered a member. There are some hints though that The Drifter basically always plays all sides against one another in an attempt to come out on top, without ever actually being truly dedicated in reality to anyone but himself. There are lore cards with him tacitly working with Shin Malphur, told from Shin's point of view where its obvious they have a strange bedfellows arrangement both assuming they will come out on top when the other tries to double cross them. etc etc.
    My original batshit theory is that Drifter is Dredgen Yor, and Shin isn't killing him yet cause Amnesia or some shit. There is some lore about Drifter not recognizing who Shin is, and the Cayde deaddrop for Drifter implied that Drifter and Shin woild fight on sight - which didn't happen.

    Yor's Ghost abandoned him (unlike the other Dredgen folks who killed theirs). It is theoretically possible it later returned to Yor and brought him back.

    But as I got more Gambit lore drops, it lost some plausability. I find it far more likely that Drifter i just a parallel operator. But I wouldn't be too surprised by some about face later from Bungo and Yor returns, even if not Drifter.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    squall99x wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Peen wrote: »
    This post contains a lore spoiler, related to triumphs.
    People are getting the Gambit title from completing all of the Gambit triumphs and it is "Dredgen," so yeah. I think that settles the debate about the Drifter.
    How is he still around after being killed by Shin Malphur?
    So the Shadows of Yor which are basically Dredgen Yor's fanboys/followers take "Dredgen" as a title before their name, kinda like "Darth" in Star Wars. So he isn't actually Dredgen Yor - the lore clarifies that he definitely ran with those guys and was considered a member. There are some hints though that The Drifter basically always plays all sides against one another in an attempt to come out on top, without ever actually being truly dedicated in reality to anyone but himself. There are lore cards with him tacitly working with Shin Malphur, told from Shin's point of view where its obvious they have a strange bedfellows arrangement both assuming they will come out on top when the other tries to double cross them. etc etc.
    My original batshit theory is that Drifter is Dredgen Yor, and Shin isn't killing him yet cause Amnesia or some shit. There is some lore about Drifter not recognizing who Shin is, and the Cayde deaddrop for Drifter implied that Drifter and Shin woild fight on sight - which didn't happen.

    Yor's Ghost abandoned him (unlike the other Dredgen folks who killed theirs). It is theoretically possible it later returned to Yor and brought him back.

    But as I got more Gambit lore drops, it lost some plausability. I find it far more likely that Drifter i just a parallel operator. But I wouldn't be too surprised by some about face later from Bungo and Yor returns, even if not Drifter.

    I suspect/hope we will get some resolution to all this come Joker's Wild.

  • CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    squall99x wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Peen wrote: »
    This post contains a lore spoiler, related to triumphs.
    People are getting the Gambit title from completing all of the Gambit triumphs and it is "Dredgen," so yeah. I think that settles the debate about the Drifter.
    How is he still around after being killed by Shin Malphur?
    So the Shadows of Yor which are basically Dredgen Yor's fanboys/followers take "Dredgen" as a title before their name, kinda like "Darth" in Star Wars. So he isn't actually Dredgen Yor - the lore clarifies that he definitely ran with those guys and was considered a member. There are some hints though that The Drifter basically always plays all sides against one another in an attempt to come out on top, without ever actually being truly dedicated in reality to anyone but himself. There are lore cards with him tacitly working with Shin Malphur, told from Shin's point of view where its obvious they have a strange bedfellows arrangement both assuming they will come out on top when the other tries to double cross them. etc etc.
    My original batshit theory is that Drifter is Dredgen Yor, and Shin isn't killing him yet cause Amnesia or some shit. There is some lore about Drifter not recognizing who Shin is, and the Cayde deaddrop for Drifter implied that Drifter and Shin woild fight on sight - which didn't happen.

    Yor's Ghost abandoned him (unlike the other Dredgen folks who killed theirs). It is theoretically possible it later returned to Yor and brought him back.

    But as I got more Gambit lore drops, it lost some plausability. I find it far more likely that Drifter i just a parallel operator. But I wouldn't be too surprised by some about face later from Bungo and Yor returns, even if not Drifter.
    Drifter doesn't have, and wouldn't ever have had, as I understand the timeline, a Ghost.
    Drifter's supposed to be one of the first Lightbearers whom I'm fairly certain it was said during Rise of Iron did not have Ghosts. Even the Iron Lords are pre-Ghost and they were well after Drifter.

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  • DodgeBlanDodgeBlan PSN: dodgeblanRegistered User regular
    You're not all the way wrong, but Taken King and Forsaken tackled lore stuff pretty well imo. It's all in how they handle the approach, they need to show, not tell via clumsy dialouge.

    Certain stories have these really great and flowery prose that would probably sound really cringey read aloud, but then again I'm the kind of guy who watches lore videos to fall asleep so who knows

    Yeah you’re right, my criticism is a little unfair. The stuff with petra, Mara, R, the barons and Uldren is a really successful melding of expanded universe stuff and a simple fun story

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  • CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    DodgeBlan wrote: »
    You're not all the way wrong, but Taken King and Forsaken tackled lore stuff pretty well imo. It's all in how they handle the approach, they need to show, not tell via clumsy dialouge.

    Certain stories have these really great and flowery prose that would probably sound really cringey read aloud, but then again I'm the kind of guy who watches lore videos to fall asleep so who knows

    Yeah you’re right, my criticism is a little unfair. The stuff with petra, Mara, R, the barons and Uldren is a really successful melding of expanded universe stuff and a simple fun story

    The Spider is pretty great, too. Variks was fun but The Spider is the most lore-flavored Fallen we've come across in either game.

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  • Forever ZefiroForever Zefiro cloaked in the midnight glory of an event horizonRegistered User regular
    squall99x wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Peen wrote: »
    This post contains a lore spoiler, related to triumphs.
    People are getting the Gambit title from completing all of the Gambit triumphs and it is "Dredgen," so yeah. I think that settles the debate about the Drifter.
    How is he still around after being killed by Shin Malphur?
    So the Shadows of Yor which are basically Dredgen Yor's fanboys/followers take "Dredgen" as a title before their name, kinda like "Darth" in Star Wars. So he isn't actually Dredgen Yor - the lore clarifies that he definitely ran with those guys and was considered a member. There are some hints though that The Drifter basically always plays all sides against one another in an attempt to come out on top, without ever actually being truly dedicated in reality to anyone but himself. There are lore cards with him tacitly working with Shin Malphur, told from Shin's point of view where its obvious they have a strange bedfellows arrangement both assuming they will come out on top when the other tries to double cross them. etc etc.
    My original batshit theory is that Drifter is Dredgen Yor, and Shin isn't killing him yet cause Amnesia or some shit. There is some lore about Drifter not recognizing who Shin is, and the Cayde deaddrop for Drifter implied that Drifter and Shin woild fight on sight - which didn't happen.

    Yor's Ghost abandoned him (unlike the other Dredgen folks who killed theirs). It is theoretically possible it later returned to Yor and brought him back.

    But as I got more Gambit lore drops, it lost some plausability. I find it far more likely that Drifter i just a parallel operator. But I wouldn't be too surprised by some about face later from Bungo and Yor returns, even if not Drifter.
    Drifter doesn't have, and wouldn't ever have had, as I understand the timeline, a Ghost.
    Drifter's supposed to be one of the first Lightbearers whom I'm fairly certain it was said during Rise of Iron did not have Ghosts. Even the Iron Lords are pre-Ghost and they were well after Drifter.

    I'm pretty sure all Risen/Guardians have Ghosts at first. It's how they are all initially raised.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    squall99x wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    Peen wrote: »
    This post contains a lore spoiler, related to triumphs.
    People are getting the Gambit title from completing all of the Gambit triumphs and it is "Dredgen," so yeah. I think that settles the debate about the Drifter.
    How is he still around after being killed by Shin Malphur?
    So the Shadows of Yor which are basically Dredgen Yor's fanboys/followers take "Dredgen" as a title before their name, kinda like "Darth" in Star Wars. So he isn't actually Dredgen Yor - the lore clarifies that he definitely ran with those guys and was considered a member. There are some hints though that The Drifter basically always plays all sides against one another in an attempt to come out on top, without ever actually being truly dedicated in reality to anyone but himself. There are lore cards with him tacitly working with Shin Malphur, told from Shin's point of view where its obvious they have a strange bedfellows arrangement both assuming they will come out on top when the other tries to double cross them. etc etc.
    My original batshit theory is that Drifter is Dredgen Yor, and Shin isn't killing him yet cause Amnesia or some shit. There is some lore about Drifter not recognizing who Shin is, and the Cayde deaddrop for Drifter implied that Drifter and Shin woild fight on sight - which didn't happen.

    Yor's Ghost abandoned him (unlike the other Dredgen folks who killed theirs). It is theoretically possible it later returned to Yor and brought him back.

    But as I got more Gambit lore drops, it lost some plausability. I find it far more likely that Drifter i just a parallel operator. But I wouldn't be too surprised by some about face later from Bungo and Yor returns, even if not Drifter.
    Drifter doesn't have, and wouldn't ever have had, as I understand the timeline, a Ghost.
    Drifter's supposed to be one of the first Lightbearers whom I'm fairly certain it was said during Rise of Iron did not have Ghosts. Even the Iron Lords are pre-Ghost and they were well after Drifter.

    I'm pretty sure all Risen/Guardians have Ghosts at first. It's how they are all initially raised.

    didn't ghosts come after the collapse though?

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    like traveler shows up, golden age happens, people are imbued with light

    darkness shows up, collapse happens

    ghosts are released by the traveler to create guardians

    is i thought how the timeline goes

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    it's been over a year since i read any D1 lore though

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  • squall99xsquall99x Registered User regular
    3clipse wrote: »
    metaghost wrote: »
    3clipse wrote: »
    squall99x wrote: »
    So the Shadows of Yor which are basically Dredgen Yor's fanboys/followers take "Dredgen" as a title before their name, kinda like "Darth" in Star Wars. So he isn't actually Dredgen Yor - the lore clarifies that he definitely ran with those guys and was considered a member. There are some hints though that The Drifter basically always plays all sides against one another in an attempt to come out on top, without ever actually being truly dedicated in reality to anyone but himself. There are lore cards with him tacitly working with Shin Malphur, told from Shin's point of view where its obvious they have a strange bedfellows arrangement both assuming they will come out on top when the other tries to double cross them. etc etc.

    Ahhhhh cool.

    Man this game has such cool (and deep) lore, none of which is presented in game or the story.

    squall99x is describing to you story details revealed in-game via the Lore Book titled The Drifter, as well as information revealed during the Malfeasance questline and attached to the Malfeasance gun.

    It's in the game. Moreso than EA Sports.

    I mean...technically, I guess? But it doesn't come up in dialogue, or cut-scenes, or any of the stuff that's not squirreled away 3 menus deep, which basically means it's not in game for any player who doesn't feel like spending time searching for it.

    Well all of this stuff is world building tertiary stuff that isn't directly related to main "story" of the game. It's not feasible really to have all of that stuff presented in a cinematic front row fashion. To be fair - I am almost always amazed that people in general are so resistant to, you know, reading. Hell all of Destiny people bitched that the grimoire wasn't in the game. Now its in the game and people bitch that you have to hit buttons to access it.

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  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Not me, I've bitched the entire time that it isn't better integrated into the in-game storytelling!

    I am the constant bitcher!

  • DodgeBlanDodgeBlan PSN: dodgeblanRegistered User regular
    I don’t think it’s ever specified whether people had light powers before the collapse or the traveler just did everything for them

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    i like that it's in-game now, i just wish like i also had permission to take the time to stop and read it but i keep having all this shit i have to do right now or i'll miss out

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  • CptHamiltonCptHamilton Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    like traveler shows up, golden age happens, people are imbued with light

    darkness shows up, collapse happens

    ghosts are released by the traveler to create guardians

    is i thought how the timeline goes

    That's what I thought as well but apparently there were no Lightbearers prior to the Ghosts. I could have sworn there being cards saying the Iron Lords just had Light, no Ghosts, but googling reveals that Lord Saladin still has a Ghost and there were Iron Lord grimoire cards about how various specific Lords' Ghosts were destroyed by SIVA/Rasputin. So I'm wrong. Which isn't unusual.

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Chanus wrote: »
    like traveler shows up, golden age happens, people are imbued with light

    darkness shows up, collapse happens

    ghosts are released by the traveler to create guardians

    is i thought how the timeline goes

    That's what I thought as well but apparently there were no Lightbearers prior to the Ghosts. I could have sworn there being cards saying the Iron Lords just had Light, no Ghosts, but googling reveals that Lord Saladin still has a Ghost and there were Iron Lord grimoire cards about how various specific Lords' Ghosts were destroyed by SIVA/Rasputin. So I'm wrong. Which isn't unusual.

    well shit

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  • squall99xsquall99x Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    like traveler shows up, golden age happens, people are imbued with light

    darkness shows up, collapse happens

    ghosts are released by the traveler to create guardians

    is i thought how the timeline goes

    That's what I thought as well but apparently there were no Lightbearers prior to the Ghosts. I could have sworn there being cards saying the Iron Lords just had Light, no Ghosts, but googling reveals that Lord Saladin still has a Ghost and there were Iron Lord grimoire cards about how various specific Lords' Ghosts were destroyed by SIVA/Rasputin. So I'm wrong. Which isn't unusual.

    well shit

    One of the better examples of this is Rezyl Azzir (sp?) who they follow from way back in the past to when he makes the decisions that turn him into
    Dredgen Yor

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  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    squall99x wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    like traveler shows up, golden age happens, people are imbued with light

    darkness shows up, collapse happens

    ghosts are released by the traveler to create guardians

    is i thought how the timeline goes

    That's what I thought as well but apparently there were no Lightbearers prior to the Ghosts. I could have sworn there being cards saying the Iron Lords just had Light, no Ghosts, but googling reveals that Lord Saladin still has a Ghost and there were Iron Lord grimoire cards about how various specific Lords' Ghosts were destroyed by SIVA/Rasputin. So I'm wrong. Which isn't unusual.

    well shit

    One of the better examples of this is Rezyl Azzir (sp?) who they follow from way back in the past to when he makes the decisions that turn him into
    Dredgen Yor

    i need to read back through a lot of stuff

    i remember like snippets of things but chronology especially is really fuzzy for me

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  • squall99xsquall99x Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    squall99x wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    like traveler shows up, golden age happens, people are imbued with light

    darkness shows up, collapse happens

    ghosts are released by the traveler to create guardians

    is i thought how the timeline goes

    That's what I thought as well but apparently there were no Lightbearers prior to the Ghosts. I could have sworn there being cards saying the Iron Lords just had Light, no Ghosts, but googling reveals that Lord Saladin still has a Ghost and there were Iron Lord grimoire cards about how various specific Lords' Ghosts were destroyed by SIVA/Rasputin. So I'm wrong. Which isn't unusual.

    well shit

    One of the better examples of this is Rezyl Azzir (sp?) who they follow from way back in the past to when he makes the decisions that turn him into
    Dredgen Yor

    i need to read back through a lot of stuff

    i remember like snippets of things but chronology especially is really fuzzy for me

    Ishtar Collective, my man. It's almost as bad as wookiepedia for instantly stealing 4 hours of your life.

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