I guess someone asked Jay Inslee about Trump's dumb executive order protecting monuments and he dropped the bomb "he cares more about dead confederates than live americans."
Fuck it. I want Inslee, and everyone else famous in Washington State to continue
to draw that Orange fuckheads ire!
Ticaldfjam on
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Found out this week my old employer is shutting down effective immediately so that’s at least 150 middle class jobs in the state’s poorest county just gone like that.
My mom (she’s retired from there) got a call that tneyre stopping medical coverage at the end of the month.
Today is of course the day the mayor chose to send crew to tear down the CHOP, so we may have a rough weekend ahead.
It is now the next day, did anything come of this?
It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
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I'm seeing on the tweets Sascha Baron Cohen infiltrated a local hate group today. Hilariously after he got away from these brave patriots he switched disguises and came back to be a part of their "interviews" about what happened.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
It's true and from the article, it sounds f'ing hilarious.
In one video from the rally, Baron Cohen took the guise of a bluegrass artist and sang, “Obama, what we gonna do? Inject him with the Wuhan flu. Hillary Clinton, what we gonna do? Lock her up like we used to do. Fauci don’t know his head from his ass. He must be smoking grass. I ain’t lying, it ain’t no jokes. Corona is a liberal hoax. Dr. Fauci, what we gonna do? Inject him with the Wuhan flu. WHO, what we gonna do? Chop ’em up like the Saudis do,” with some in the crowd gleefully singing along.
It's true and from the article, it sounds f'ing hilarious.
In one video from the rally, Baron Cohen took the guise of a bluegrass artist and sang, “Obama, what we gonna do? Inject him with the Wuhan flu. Hillary Clinton, what we gonna do? Lock her up like we used to do. Fauci don’t know his head from his ass. He must be smoking grass. I ain’t lying, it ain’t no jokes. Corona is a liberal hoax. Dr. Fauci, what we gonna do? Inject him with the Wuhan flu. WHO, what we gonna do? Chop ’em up like the Saudis do,” with some in the crowd gleefully singing along.
Yeah the racists are trying to say they were plants and that these brave men didn't sing along with disgusting lyrics endorsing their shitty garbage, but we have video assholes we can hear.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
It's true and from the article, it sounds f'ing hilarious.
In one video from the rally, Baron Cohen took the guise of a bluegrass artist and sang, “Obama, what we gonna do? Inject him with the Wuhan flu. Hillary Clinton, what we gonna do? Lock her up like we used to do. Fauci don’t know his head from his ass. He must be smoking grass. I ain’t lying, it ain’t no jokes. Corona is a liberal hoax. Dr. Fauci, what we gonna do? Inject him with the Wuhan flu. WHO, what we gonna do? Chop ’em up like the Saudis do,” with some in the crowd gleefully singing along.
This is just a trump tweet tho
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The problem with satire like that is people have to actually understand that it’s satire otherwise you’re just being an asshole
“I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Apparently CHOP security opened fire on two people in a car last night. One was killed. Supposedly a similar car had been driving around shooting out the windows or something. As far as I have heard, it remains to be seen if it was the same vehicle or not.
I haven't been able to confirm anything above, though. Does anyone have more info?
The times echoes much of the same of what you said.
This is not a good look. If those people were actually providing “security” it seems they’re potentially just as unaccountable and trigger happy as cops. If they weren’t, and this is just more random violence...well that’s a problem too. One shooting can be hand-waved as normal baseline violence...shootings aren’t unheard of in the area. Two this close together starts to make the CHOP look like a problem.
Of course, my first thought is we traded two deaths for a barrage of gas and less-lethal ammo nightly, which was eventually going to kill somebody anyway. If it already hadn’t, but I believe in Seattle it hadn’t yet. So on the net, sadly, it’s not clear that SPD is the better alternative. But as always random violence turns the narrative in ways that government sanctioned violence...even completely unjustified government sanctioned violence...doesn’t.
Like we don't want police shooting at people suspected of crimes, or at moving vehicles in particular.
Why should we be ok with this?
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Like we don't want police shooting at people suspected of crimes, or at moving vehicles in particular.
Why should we be ok with this?
I'm not happy there was a shooting but Im glad that a community that the police didnt want to protect has taken measures to protect itself. Capitol Hill has become a Thing for the militant right and they knew something like this would happen.
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Like we don't want police shooting at people suspected of crimes, or at moving vehicles in particular.
Why should we be ok with this?
I'm not happy there was a shooting but Im glad that a community that the police didnt want to protect has taken measures to protect itself. Capitol Hill has become a Thing for the militant right and they knew something like this would happen.
Ok but do we want police or not?
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Like we don't want police shooting at people suspected of crimes, or at moving vehicles in particular.
Why should we be ok with this?
I'm not happy there was a shooting but Im glad that a community that the police didnt want to protect has taken measures to protect itself. Capitol Hill has become a Thing for the militant right and they knew something like this would happen.
Ok but do we want police or not?
I dont understand how the question relates to the point
I'm seeing reports from folks on twitter that the two guys in the white cherokee were shot by CHOP security because they attempted a drive-by
so like, maybe hold off on judging it for now
Especially after a far right wing Ironworker was caught shooting protestors the day after CHAZ/CHOP was formed.
I know it is frowned upon, but I don't blame CHOP for getting armed security, since it's a know fact that White Supremacists are in the Police ranks and it has been made, since the Orange Fucker became President, that it was now A Okay for them to shoot, "White Race traitors" and anyone not resembling Aryans now.
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The police have historically done very little to stop right-wing violence, why should we expect them to now?
edit: to be clear, a human being firing a gun at another human being under basically any circumstance is filed under "Things I Wish Never Happened Anywhere Ever" and i think we can all totally agree with that! but at some point you cannot engage in pacifism against an opponent that is freely allowed to use violence and has no conscientious or ethical qualms about doing so.
I'm saying a situation where self-appointed "security" is shooting at people is no better than the police doing it.
life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I'm saying a situation where self-appointed "security" is shooting at people is no better than the police doing it.
the police use unrestrained violence against ethnic minorities and the poor as part of a centuries-old structure of systemic racism and oppression, police violence is inherently different from this type of situation in my opinion, especially given the fact that these makeshift security personnel aren't a part of any authoritarian power structure as far as i'm aware. again, how does one protect themselves from armed violence in the absence of reliable state protection? historically, vulnerable communities have armed themselves. see the deacons for defense and justice or the battle of hayes pond wherein armed native american people fought the KKK.
I'm saying a situation where self-appointed "security" is shooting at people is no better than the police doing it.
The police didn't have to leave. They didn't have to get so butt hurt over being asked not to fucking murder people that they packed up and abandoned their jobs.
They chose that, so now CHOP has to figure out what to do with the consequences of those actions. If people are going to continually attempt shootings, they have a right to defend themselves. The suspects in the SUV fired at people, left and then came back before they were fired upon. There is every reason to consider that self defense, and to assume that them returning was in the aims of creating more casualties.
I'm saying a situation where self-appointed "security" is shooting at people is no better than the police doing it.
Not when they're actively being shot at. I'm perfectly fine with armed security firing back when fired upon, assuming they take precautions to prevent collateral damage and innocent lives. So far it looks like that's what's happened: armed security disabled the shooters in their vehicle with sharpshooting and then medics immediately treated them and got them to a hospital. If were police instead of armed security, they would have sprayed the car down with dozens of bullets, potentially harming people nearby, then left them to rot in the car for a while before even attempting any sort of medical aid.
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It's also important to remember that we are in uncharted waters here. The social contract has broken down, maybe not totally and maybe not in like a crazy-ass Mad Max metal hockey masks and water wars type way, but regardless society has fractured. And when these things happen, when the trust in our institutions and the sense of reliability and stability that those institutions had begins to erode and break down, you inevitably see communities take their safety and well-being into their own hands. To condemn them for doing so in the absence of any other option seems impulsive.
I'm saying a situation where self-appointed "security" is shooting at people is no better than the police doing it.
Its better than being unguarded sheep while the wolves are prowling.
I mean that’s literally a David Grossman training line.
Were the guys that opened fire CHOP security or not? Regardless of the stated answer, how do we know? How do we verify? Was anybody filming them to ensure they were acting appropriately? Is there video of the “attempted drive by?” If no shots were fired from the vehicle when the CHOP security (or not CHOP security) opened fire, how did they know it was an attempted drive by? Was this a proper use of force? Who the hell was even involved, on both sides of it?
These are all questions we would be asking of a police shooting, and we damn well need to ask the same here. Otherwise we’ve potentially replaced the police with something even less accountable. Or more violent. Or both.
I hope I don’t need to bend over backwards to establish myself as an ally here. I’m coming from a place of support. But man, if this doesn’t look like a serious problem then I don’t know what to tell you.
Edit: And I fully understand that the answers to all these questions may come throughout the day. But we better hope that they’re good answers.
they are a bunch of old, "centrist" (in the modern american sense of the word. ie: ignorant, conservative and afflicted with incurable whataboutism and both-sides-are-the-same-pox) but the seattle times I think is a good indicator of what a very large chunk (at least a plurality if not majority) of people in the greater seattle area think.
and if you look at the trends in what they have been writing about over the last few weeks then Durkan and Best have totally outplayed the protestors. once the police pulled back out of the east precinct the focus in the reporting shifted from the nightly unrestrained police brutality (and even the seattle times was very anti-police in their reporting as long as that was happening) to the rapidly escalating internal bickering and seeming pointlessness of CHOP.
i don't think there will be any further progress on any of the goals of the protests beyond what was won prior to the police withdrawal. I don't think peaceful CHOP had any impact at all on progress towards those goals. IE: 5% reduction in police budget, Durkan still firmly in office, restrictions in use of chemical weapons that are winding their way through courts and the legislature etc...
edit: I think there is a small chance the east precinct itself might end up being converted to another purpose but I think the overwhelming likelihood is it goes back to being a police station
I'm saying a situation where self-appointed "security" is shooting at people is no better than the police doing it.
Its better than being unguarded sheep while the wolves are prowling.
I mean that’s literally a David Grossman training line.
Were the guys that opened fire CHOP security or not? Regardless of the stated answer, how do we know? How do we verify? Was anybody filming them to ensure they were acting appropriately? Is there video of the “attempted drive by?” If no shots were fired from the vehicle when the CHOP security (or not CHOP security) opened fire, how did they know it was an attempted drive by? Was this a proper use of force? Who the hell was even involved, on both sides of it?
These are all questions we would be asking of a police shooting, and we damn well need to ask the same here. Otherwise we’ve potentially replaced the police with something even less accountable. Or more violent. Or both.
I hope I don’t need to bend over backwards to establish myself as an ally here. I’m coming from a place of support. But man, if this doesn’t look like a serious problem then I don’t know what to tell you.
Edit: And I fully understand that the answers to all these questions may come throughout the day. But we better hope that they’re good answers.
Yes Id like to know those things too but it doesnt change at the end of the day what the options are. The police have abandoned a community firmly in the sights of a national white supremacist movement. Their options are then to either take measures to protect themselves from violent men or to not so so.
I'm saying a situation where self-appointed "security" is shooting at people is no better than the police doing it.
Its better than being unguarded sheep while the wolves are prowling.
I mean that’s literally a David Grossman training line.
Were the guys that opened fire CHOP security or not? Regardless of the stated answer, how do we know? How do we verify? Was anybody filming them to ensure they were acting appropriately? Is there video of the “attempted drive by?” If no shots were fired from the vehicle when the CHOP security (or not CHOP security) opened fire, how did they know it was an attempted drive by? Was this a proper use of force? Who the hell was even involved, on both sides of it?
These are all questions we would be asking of a police shooting, and we damn well need to ask the same here. Otherwise we’ve potentially replaced the police with something even less accountable. Or more violent. Or both.
I hope I don’t need to bend over backwards to establish myself as an ally here. I’m coming from a place of support. But man, if this doesn’t look like a serious problem then I don’t know what to tell you.
Edit: And I fully understand that the answers to all these questions may come throughout the day. But we better hope that they’re good answers.
Yes Id like to know those things too but it doesnt change at the end of the day what the options are. The police have abandoned a community firmly in the sights of a national white supremacist movement. Their options are then to either take measures to protect themselves from violent men or to not so so.
I think it's an important point that the people in CHOP, especially now, aren't the community that actually lives in the area. That area has been extremely heavily gentrified over the last 20 years and is now a super-high-rent part of town full of tech workers.
I'm saying a situation where self-appointed "security" is shooting at people is no better than the police doing it.
Its better than being unguarded sheep while the wolves are prowling.
I mean that’s literally a David Grossman training line.
Were the guys that opened fire CHOP security or not? Regardless of the stated answer, how do we know? How do we verify? Was anybody filming them to ensure they were acting appropriately? Is there video of the “attempted drive by?” If no shots were fired from the vehicle when the CHOP security (or not CHOP security) opened fire, how did they know it was an attempted drive by? Was this a proper use of force? Who the hell was even involved, on both sides of it?
These are all questions we would be asking of a police shooting, and we damn well need to ask the same here. Otherwise we’ve potentially replaced the police with something even less accountable. Or more violent. Or both.
I hope I don’t need to bend over backwards to establish myself as an ally here. I’m coming from a place of support. But man, if this doesn’t look like a serious problem then I don’t know what to tell you.
Edit: And I fully understand that the answers to all these questions may come throughout the day. But we better hope that they’re good answers.
Yes Id like to know those things too but it doesnt change at the end of the day what the options are. The police have abandoned a community firmly in the sights of a national white supremacist movement. Their options are then to either take measures to protect themselves from violent men or to not so so.
I think it's an important point that the people in CHOP, especially now, aren't the community that actually lives in the area. That area has been extremely heavily gentrified over the last 20 years and is now a super-high-rent part of town full of tech workers.
Im kind of confused by this. Yeah the community has changed over 20 years, maybe for the better or worse, but the people who live there now are the community.
Im very familiar with the neighborhood.
Edit: oh I think when I said community you took that to mean like african americans and what not but I meant the community as a literal physical geographic group of people.
they are a bunch of old, "centrist" (in the modern american sense of the word. ie: ignorant, conservative and afflicted with incurable whataboutism and both-sides-are-the-same-pox) but the seattle times I think is a good indicator of what a very large chunk (at least a plurality if not majority) of people in the greater seattle area think.
and if you look at the trends in what they have been writing about over the last few weeks then Durkan and Best have totally outplayed the protestors. once the police pulled back out of the east precinct the focus in the reporting shifted from the nightly unrestrained police brutality (and even the seattle times was very anti-police in their reporting as long as that was happening) to the rapidly escalating internal bickering and seeming pointlessness of CHOP.
i don't think there will be any further progress on any of the goals of the protests beyond what was won prior to the police withdrawal. I don't think peaceful CHOP had any impact at all on progress towards those goals. IE: 5% reduction in police budget, Durkan still firmly in office, restrictions in use of chemical weapons that are winding their way through courts and the legislature etc...
edit: I think there is a small chance the east precinct itself might end up being converted to another purpose but I think the overwhelming likelihood is it goes back to being a police station
Not saying much about the rest of the post because I don’t know, but it isn’t exactly rocket surgery to know that all the cops had to do to change the narrative was not commit police brutality and yet most PDs are still mashing the “escalate” button
they are a bunch of old, "centrist" (in the modern american sense of the word. ie: ignorant, conservative and afflicted with incurable whataboutism and both-sides-are-the-same-pox) but the seattle times I think is a good indicator of what a very large chunk (at least a plurality if not majority) of people in the greater seattle area think.
and if you look at the trends in what they have been writing about over the last few weeks then Durkan and Best have totally outplayed the protestors. once the police pulled back out of the east precinct the focus in the reporting shifted from the nightly unrestrained police brutality (and even the seattle times was very anti-police in their reporting as long as that was happening) to the rapidly escalating internal bickering and seeming pointlessness of CHOP.
i don't think there will be any further progress on any of the goals of the protests beyond what was won prior to the police withdrawal. I don't think peaceful CHOP had any impact at all on progress towards those goals. IE: 5% reduction in police budget, Durkan still firmly in office, restrictions in use of chemical weapons that are winding their way through courts and the legislature etc...
edit: I think there is a small chance the east precinct itself might end up being converted to another purpose but I think the overwhelming likelihood is it goes back to being a police station
Not saying much about the rest of the post because I don’t know, but it isn’t exactly rocket surgery to know that all the cops had to do to change the narrative was not commit police brutality and yet most PDs are still mashing the “escalate” button
yeah it is really a damning comment on the PDs in most of the country that they can't de-escalate even though that would cause the news cycle to quickly move on and allow them to start clawing back the reforms behind the scenes.
I'm saying a situation where self-appointed "security" is shooting at people is no better than the police doing it.
Its better than being unguarded sheep while the wolves are prowling.
I mean that’s literally a David Grossman training line.
Were the guys that opened fire CHOP security or not? Regardless of the stated answer, how do we know? How do we verify? Was anybody filming them to ensure they were acting appropriately? Is there video of the “attempted drive by?” If no shots were fired from the vehicle when the CHOP security (or not CHOP security) opened fire, how did they know it was an attempted drive by? Was this a proper use of force? Who the hell was even involved, on both sides of it?
These are all questions we would be asking of a police shooting, and we damn well need to ask the same here. Otherwise we’ve potentially replaced the police with something even less accountable. Or more violent. Or both.
I hope I don’t need to bend over backwards to establish myself as an ally here. I’m coming from a place of support. But man, if this doesn’t look like a serious problem then I don’t know what to tell you.
Edit: And I fully understand that the answers to all these questions may come throughout the day. But we better hope that they’re good answers.
Yes Id like to know those things too but it doesnt change at the end of the day what the options are. The police have abandoned a community firmly in the sights of a national white supremacist movement. Their options are then to either take measures to protect themselves from violent men or to not so so.
A lot of what you are saying is the exact reasoning right wingers use in brandishing weapons in their communities as well. And I thought CHOP kicked out the police wasn't that the whole point? They weren't wanted there any longer and its now under community control?
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
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Fuck it. I want Inslee, and everyone else famous in Washington State to continue
to draw that Orange fuckheads ire!
Probably a mobile misclick, that is not awesome
It is now the next day, did anything come of this?
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It seems like resistance is working and supposedly the East Precinct will remain abandoned (but we're dealing with a pair of liars so...): https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020/06/some-occupiers-make-a-stand-others-prepare-for-exit-from-chop-as-city-moves-in-to-clear-parts-of-capitol-hill-protest-zone/
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Yeah the racists are trying to say they were plants and that these brave men didn't sing along with disgusting lyrics endorsing their shitty garbage, but we have video assholes we can hear.
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This is just a trump tweet tho
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
I haven't been able to confirm anything above, though. Does anyone have more info?
The times echoes much of the same of what you said.
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I would like to speak with the manager, please.
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The fun of a jungle primary. Really it'll come down to Inslee and Eyeman.
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And this is why jungle "primaries" are stupid.
This is not a good look. If those people were actually providing “security” it seems they’re potentially just as unaccountable and trigger happy as cops. If they weren’t, and this is just more random violence...well that’s a problem too. One shooting can be hand-waved as normal baseline violence...shootings aren’t unheard of in the area. Two this close together starts to make the CHOP look like a problem.
Of course, my first thought is we traded two deaths for a barrage of gas and less-lethal ammo nightly, which was eventually going to kill somebody anyway. If it already hadn’t, but I believe in Seattle it hadn’t yet. So on the net, sadly, it’s not clear that SPD is the better alternative. But as always random violence turns the narrative in ways that government sanctioned violence...even completely unjustified government sanctioned violence...doesn’t.
Just...fuck.
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so like, maybe hold off on judging it for now
Like we don't want police shooting at people suspected of crimes, or at moving vehicles in particular.
Why should we be ok with this?
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I'm not happy there was a shooting but Im glad that a community that the police didnt want to protect has taken measures to protect itself. Capitol Hill has become a Thing for the militant right and they knew something like this would happen.
Ok but do we want police or not?
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I dont understand how the question relates to the point
Especially after a far right wing Ironworker was caught shooting protestors the day after CHAZ/CHOP was formed.
I know it is frowned upon, but I don't blame CHOP for getting armed security, since it's a know fact that White Supremacists are in the Police ranks and it has been made, since the Orange Fucker became President, that it was now A Okay for them to shoot, "White Race traitors" and anyone not resembling Aryans now.
edit: to be clear, a human being firing a gun at another human being under basically any circumstance is filed under "Things I Wish Never Happened Anywhere Ever" and i think we can all totally agree with that! but at some point you cannot engage in pacifism against an opponent that is freely allowed to use violence and has no conscientious or ethical qualms about doing so.
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
Its better than being unguarded sheep while the wolves are prowling.
the police use unrestrained violence against ethnic minorities and the poor as part of a centuries-old structure of systemic racism and oppression, police violence is inherently different from this type of situation in my opinion, especially given the fact that these makeshift security personnel aren't a part of any authoritarian power structure as far as i'm aware. again, how does one protect themselves from armed violence in the absence of reliable state protection? historically, vulnerable communities have armed themselves. see the deacons for defense and justice or the battle of hayes pond wherein armed native american people fought the KKK.
The police didn't have to leave. They didn't have to get so butt hurt over being asked not to fucking murder people that they packed up and abandoned their jobs.
They chose that, so now CHOP has to figure out what to do with the consequences of those actions. If people are going to continually attempt shootings, they have a right to defend themselves. The suspects in the SUV fired at people, left and then came back before they were fired upon. There is every reason to consider that self defense, and to assume that them returning was in the aims of creating more casualties.
Not when they're actively being shot at. I'm perfectly fine with armed security firing back when fired upon, assuming they take precautions to prevent collateral damage and innocent lives. So far it looks like that's what's happened: armed security disabled the shooters in their vehicle with sharpshooting and then medics immediately treated them and got them to a hospital. If were police instead of armed security, they would have sprayed the car down with dozens of bullets, potentially harming people nearby, then left them to rot in the car for a while before even attempting any sort of medical aid.
I mean that’s literally a David Grossman training line.
Were the guys that opened fire CHOP security or not? Regardless of the stated answer, how do we know? How do we verify? Was anybody filming them to ensure they were acting appropriately? Is there video of the “attempted drive by?” If no shots were fired from the vehicle when the CHOP security (or not CHOP security) opened fire, how did they know it was an attempted drive by? Was this a proper use of force? Who the hell was even involved, on both sides of it?
These are all questions we would be asking of a police shooting, and we damn well need to ask the same here. Otherwise we’ve potentially replaced the police with something even less accountable. Or more violent. Or both.
I hope I don’t need to bend over backwards to establish myself as an ally here. I’m coming from a place of support. But man, if this doesn’t look like a serious problem then I don’t know what to tell you.
Edit: And I fully understand that the answers to all these questions may come throughout the day. But we better hope that they’re good answers.
and if you look at the trends in what they have been writing about over the last few weeks then Durkan and Best have totally outplayed the protestors. once the police pulled back out of the east precinct the focus in the reporting shifted from the nightly unrestrained police brutality (and even the seattle times was very anti-police in their reporting as long as that was happening) to the rapidly escalating internal bickering and seeming pointlessness of CHOP.
i don't think there will be any further progress on any of the goals of the protests beyond what was won prior to the police withdrawal. I don't think peaceful CHOP had any impact at all on progress towards those goals. IE: 5% reduction in police budget, Durkan still firmly in office, restrictions in use of chemical weapons that are winding their way through courts and the legislature etc...
edit: I think there is a small chance the east precinct itself might end up being converted to another purpose but I think the overwhelming likelihood is it goes back to being a police station
Yes Id like to know those things too but it doesnt change at the end of the day what the options are. The police have abandoned a community firmly in the sights of a national white supremacist movement. Their options are then to either take measures to protect themselves from violent men or to not so so.
I think it's an important point that the people in CHOP, especially now, aren't the community that actually lives in the area. That area has been extremely heavily gentrified over the last 20 years and is now a super-high-rent part of town full of tech workers.
Im kind of confused by this. Yeah the community has changed over 20 years, maybe for the better or worse, but the people who live there now are the community.
Im very familiar with the neighborhood.
Edit: oh I think when I said community you took that to mean like african americans and what not but I meant the community as a literal physical geographic group of people.
Not saying much about the rest of the post because I don’t know, but it isn’t exactly rocket surgery to know that all the cops had to do to change the narrative was not commit police brutality and yet most PDs are still mashing the “escalate” button
yeah it is really a damning comment on the PDs in most of the country that they can't de-escalate even though that would cause the news cycle to quickly move on and allow them to start clawing back the reforms behind the scenes.
A lot of what you are saying is the exact reasoning right wingers use in brandishing weapons in their communities as well. And I thought CHOP kicked out the police wasn't that the whole point? They weren't wanted there any longer and its now under community control?
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