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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Just over 2 years since coming out to my immediate family and 1 year since coming out to the rest of my family, I have finally done the thing on Facebook.

    I've had 2 years to think about what to write and in the end I went with "For anyone who doesn't already know, I'm trans. Here's a link to my new account if you want to add it."

    I think that probably covers any questions they have, right? *dusts off hands*

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Wow this thread is pretty dead huh.

    I've just booked myself for a psychiatric assessment this weekend. With a regular old brain doctor, not a gender specialist. Another attempt to try and figure out if I can fix my stupid broken brain.

    I don't know whether to tell the guy I'm trans (it will be via zoom so if I don't tell him he might not twig it (my own grandmother thought I was my brother last time I phoned her so clearly my voice is pretty convincing now (parentheses))) On the one hand everything is connected to everything else so maybe gender stuff and all the associated bullshit might be integral to my anxiety etc. But on the other hand I worry that once he knows I'm trans that will just become The Reason For Everything. But maybe I'm worrying unnecessarily because, duh, anxiety.

    Guys brains are terrible, I really recommend being a sea cucumber or something.

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    I would tell him so you immediately know whether you're going to be wasting your time with him or not

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    SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    I am almost out of Michigan for good.

    I am trying to get some last minute stuff done but the inertia to move is really wearing on me.

    I've been alone with no contact for 2 months and the only people I am seeing for the next 3 weeks are ex's.

    My life is weird.

    I do have an apt in downtown SF not far from my office but the boss is being crazy awesome about Covid so I won't be able to go there until September most likely so decorating my desk in floggers and dildos will have to wait.

    I realize that pre coming out me would have no idea what to make of me now. That is pretty awesome.

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    Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    I'm 4 months 11 days post-op (as of today) and disappointed I still can't comfortably sit on a bicycle seat. Things have improved a whole lot though. :)

    I kind of expected to go from Gender Dysphoria to Gender Euphoria, but instead now my 'default state' seems to be a kind of 'gender apathy', I guess.

    Going through my recovery phase whilst the whole world came crashing down around me, has felt bizarre, to say the least.

    I have a kind of 'exit interview' with my GIC coming up soon, it was supposed to be in-person, I would have celebrated it afterwards by going to a fancy restaurant, but instead it's just going to be a boring video call where I can't even decide yet if I want to be discharged from the service or not. I'm free from the crushing dysphoria (which is awesome) but also I don't 'pass' in my day-to-day life at all. So I dunno.

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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    Sorry if this isn't appropriate, but I just rewatched the ST:TNG episode with the J'naii, the "androgynous race who have neither male nor female gender.'

    Wow. Like your can see they think they're being progressive, but there's no words for how too refer to someone besides He or She? Riker says 'It' is ride, but never heard of singular They?

    And just assuming Riker is only attracted to women. Lots of issues, reached a little too far here.

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    MsAnthropyMsAnthropy The Lady of Pain Breaks the Rhythm, Breaks the Rhythm, Breaks the Rhythm The City of FlowersRegistered User regular
    edited May 2020
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Sorry if this isn't appropriate, but I just rewatched the ST:TNG episode with the J'naii, the "androgynous race who have neither male nor female gender.'

    Wow. Like your can see they think they're being progressive, but there's no words for how too refer to someone besides He or She? Riker says 'It' is ride, but never heard of singular They?

    And just assuming Riker is only attracted to women. Lots of issues, reached a little too far here.

    The thing to remember about The Outcast is that Jeri Taylor wrote it as an allegory for gay relationships and discrimination. She had no conception of trans or non-binary identities as we know them today, and completely wandered her way into that space with no idea how close (and yet far away) she was hitting to actual people as opposed to just a metaphor. At the time this was written I don’t see anyway she could have understood those aspects. Given all that, it is an episode that really hasn’t aged well.

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    WyvernWyvern Registered User regular
    MsAnthropy wrote: »
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Sorry if this isn't appropriate, but I just rewatched the ST:TNG episode with the J'naii, the "androgynous race who have neither male nor female gender.'

    Wow. Like your can see they think they're being progressive, but there's no words for how too refer to someone besides He or She? Riker says 'It' is ride, but never heard of singular They?

    And just assuming Riker is only attracted to women. Lots of issues, reached a little too far here.

    The thing to remember about The Outcast is that Jeri Taylor wrote it as an allegory for gay relationships and discrimination. She had no conception of trans or non-binary identities as we know them today, and completely wandered her way into that space with no idea how close (and yet far away) she was hitting to actual people as opposed to just a metaphor. At the time this was written I don’t see anyway she could have understood those aspects. Given all that, it is an episode that really hasn’t aged well.
    The Outcast gets zero slack from me. It makes no sense as a gay allegory even in its time. In fact, they're so terrified of Riker looking even the slightest bit gay that the the whole concept gets warped into the most heteronormative thing possible, rendering the intended reading completely incoherent. And then I guess that still wasn't enough, so in the last two minutes they abruptly fridge the trans lady in the cruelest, most callous way imaginable just to make absolutely sure Riker has no lingering connections to That Sort Of Thing. Even the empath woman who gets sold into lifelong sexual slavery a couple episodes later in the same season doesn't get it that bad.

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    MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    I wonder if they could have actually made a real impactful story if they kept Soren as originally presented, had them become attracted to each other, but they choose work instead.

    Soren gets a big promotion as Lead Space Anomaly Researcher, Riker flies away thinking about what could have been, drowns sorrows in salty pea soup.

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    MsAnthropyMsAnthropy The Lady of Pain Breaks the Rhythm, Breaks the Rhythm, Breaks the Rhythm The City of FlowersRegistered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Wyvern wrote: »
    MsAnthropy wrote: »
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Sorry if this isn't appropriate, but I just rewatched the ST:TNG episode with the J'naii, the "androgynous race who have neither male nor female gender.'

    Wow. Like your can see they think they're being progressive, but there's no words for how too refer to someone besides He or She? Riker says 'It' is ride, but never heard of singular They?

    And just assuming Riker is only attracted to women. Lots of issues, reached a little too far here.

    The thing to remember about The Outcast is that Jeri Taylor wrote it as an allegory for gay relationships and discrimination. She had no conception of trans or non-binary identities as we know them today, and completely wandered her way into that space with no idea how close (and yet far away) she was hitting to actual people as opposed to just a metaphor. At the time this was written I don’t see anyway she could have understood those aspects. Given all that, it is an episode that really hasn’t aged well.
    The Outcast gets zero slack from me. It makes no sense as a gay allegory even in its time. In fact, they're so terrified of Riker looking even the slightest bit gay that the the whole concept gets warped into the most heteronormative thing possible, rendering the intended reading completely incoherent. And then I guess that still wasn't enough, so in the last two minutes they abruptly fridge the trans lady in the cruelest, most callous way imaginable just to make absolutely sure Riker has no lingering connections to That Sort Of Thing. Even the empath woman who gets sold into lifelong sexual slavery a couple episodes later in the same season doesn't get it that bad.

    I am personally of the opinion that straight cis people should probably not try writing queer allegory in general, so I don’t think I fundamentally disagree with you. For what it is worth Frakes was pissed that the episode wasn’t more gay (say by casting a man as Soren), but Rick Berman is a homophobe so we got this stuff instead.

    Edit: Also I am hoping the GM of the Trek RPG I am playing in is willing to bring the Janaii back so we can interrogate just how fucked this episode was. Like, maybe we can show that conversion therapy is torture that doesn’t work, and do something about it?

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    MsAnthropy wrote: »
    Wyvern wrote: »
    MsAnthropy wrote: »
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Sorry if this isn't appropriate, but I just rewatched the ST:TNG episode with the J'naii, the "androgynous race who have neither male nor female gender.'

    Wow. Like your can see they think they're being progressive, but there's no words for how too refer to someone besides He or She? Riker says 'It' is ride, but never heard of singular They?

    And just assuming Riker is only attracted to women. Lots of issues, reached a little too far here.

    The thing to remember about The Outcast is that Jeri Taylor wrote it as an allegory for gay relationships and discrimination. She had no conception of trans or non-binary identities as we know them today, and completely wandered her way into that space with no idea how close (and yet far away) she was hitting to actual people as opposed to just a metaphor. At the time this was written I don’t see anyway she could have understood those aspects. Given all that, it is an episode that really hasn’t aged well.
    The Outcast gets zero slack from me. It makes no sense as a gay allegory even in its time. In fact, they're so terrified of Riker looking even the slightest bit gay that the the whole concept gets warped into the most heteronormative thing possible, rendering the intended reading completely incoherent. And then I guess that still wasn't enough, so in the last two minutes they abruptly fridge the trans lady in the cruelest, most callous way imaginable just to make absolutely sure Riker has no lingering connections to That Sort Of Thing. Even the empath woman who gets sold into lifelong sexual slavery a couple episodes later in the same season doesn't get it that bad.

    I am personally of the opinion that straight cis people should probably not try writing queer allegory in general, so I don’t think I fundamentally disagree with you. For what it is worth Frakes was pissed that the episode wasn’t more gay (say by casting a man as Soren), but Rick Berman is a homophobe so we got this stuff instead.

    Edit: Also I am hoping the GM of the Trek RPG I am playing in is willing to bring the Janaii back so we can interrogate just how fucked this episode was. Like, maybe we can show that conversion therapy is torture that doesn’t work, and do something about it?

    Frakes definitely played Riker as pansexual from the jump.

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    AnzekayAnzekay Registered User regular
    Frakes is an international treasure and probably my biggest disappointment with TNG is that he didn't get to have Riker be gayer, even if I do like him and Troy getting together in the end

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Riker is probably my least favorite of the TNG main cast but Frakes is a cuddly bear.

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Had my psyche assessment. Doctor was a really nice Spanish dude. I now believe all doctors should be Spanish because I can't think of a more relaxing accent to listen to when you're stressed.

    I got a diagnosis of the thing I thought I might have. So of course now I'm thinking I somehow unconsciously gamed the assessment and tricked the doctor into the diagnosis. He also said he thought I might have 1 or 2 other diagnoses so at least I got my money's worth. And now I get to try prozac, which has me a bit shook because I've only ever known Prozac as something taken by crazy celebrities who ultimately end up dead in hotel rooms.

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    credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    MsAnthropy wrote: »
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Sorry if this isn't appropriate, but I just rewatched the ST:TNG episode with the J'naii, the "androgynous race who have neither male nor female gender.'

    Wow. Like your can see they think they're being progressive, but there's no words for how too refer to someone besides He or She? Riker says 'It' is ride, but never heard of singular They?

    And just assuming Riker is only attracted to women. Lots of issues, reached a little too far here.

    The thing to remember about The Outcast is that Jeri Taylor wrote it as an allegory for gay relationships and discrimination. She had no conception of trans or non-binary identities as we know them today, and completely wandered her way into that space with no idea how close (and yet far away) she was hitting to actual people as opposed to just a metaphor. At the time this was written I don’t see anyway she could have understood those aspects. Given all that, it is an episode that really hasn’t aged well.

    Um also in contrast to all this I will say that I have a nonbinary friend who is playing in a Star Trek Adventures roleplaying game and they specifically made a J'naii because of this episode and they are super enjoying it and feel like it's a really cool piece of representation they can draw on from star trek canon.

    Ah yeah and also plotwise the character's backstory is they were part of like an anti- J'naii government movement and believe in your right to binary gender expression if you have one, even though they personally don't. They're an ally and advocate :D

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    Desert LeviathanDesert Leviathan Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Had my psyche assessment. Doctor was a really nice Spanish dude. I now believe all doctors should be Spanish because I can't think of a more relaxing accent to listen to when you're stressed.

    I got a diagnosis of the thing I thought I might have. So of course now I'm thinking I somehow unconsciously gamed the assessment and tricked the doctor into the diagnosis. He also said he thought I might have 1 or 2 other diagnoses so at least I got my money's worth. And now I get to try prozac, which has me a bit shook because I've only ever known Prozac as something taken by crazy celebrities who ultimately end up dead in hotel rooms.

    One thing my doctor told me, when I got my own Prozac prescription and was expressing similar concerns, is that because it's easily the most famous drug in its category, it gets referenced and used as a punchline a lot, even for mental health situations where it wouldn't have been the appropriate treatment at all. This is not to suggest that there aren't risks to be aware of when taking it, but its reputation is considerably more dire than its reality.

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Been reading up on some of the stuff the doctor told me about, and I've realised there's a resource I want that I don't think exists. You can find books and websites about different psychiatric conditions which explain what it feels like to have that thing. But it doesn't say what it feels like to not have that thing.

    So I'm reading up on these symptoms and they sounds familiar but I don't really know what the alternative is, if that makes sense? Similarly at one point in my appointment yesterday the doctor asked me if I have activities I enjoy and what I really wanted to say is "I don't know. What does it feel like to enjoy things?"

    Basically I'm saying that in the self help section alongside books about what it's like to have anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, autism, etc, there should be books about what it's like to be neurotypical. Because if someone isn't then that's probably a helpful thing to know!

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    Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    "I don't know. What does it feel like to enjoy things?"
    Didn't you used to enjoy gardening? I remember you posting a picture of yourself in a greenhouse, anyhow. :)

    Not being able to feel things about the kinds of activities you used to enjoy is a classic symptom of depression.
    Like how I can go for weeks without playing any video games at all, even though it's my main hobby, and I buy loads on Steam etc, then can't bring myself to play them because the 'joy' of doing so just isn't there any more, and sometimes it feels like it might never come back, until suddenly it does? That was the typical cycle for me... In the before COVID-19 times/current circumstances gave everyone a legitimate reason to be existentially depressed, anyhow.

    *hugs*.

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    GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    edited May 2020
    Been reading up on some of the stuff the doctor told me about, and I've realised there's a resource I want that I don't think exists. You can find books and websites about different psychiatric conditions which explain what it feels like to have that thing. But it doesn't say what it feels like to not have that thing.

    So I'm reading up on these symptoms and they sounds familiar but I don't really know what the alternative is, if that makes sense? Similarly at one point in my appointment yesterday the doctor asked me if I have activities I enjoy and what I really wanted to say is "I don't know. What does it feel like to enjoy things?"

    Basically I'm saying that in the self help section alongside books about what it's like to have anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, autism, etc, there should be books about what it's like to be neurotypical. Because if someone isn't then that's probably a helpful thing to know!

    I definitely get the frustration of not being able to establish baseline. It is one of the bigger reasons I don't like the medical model for mental health. It has the same problems of people thinking who they are is normal and the huge downside of not being able to test definitively for anything. Trying to boil down brain stuff we don't fully understand to a check list is just always going to cause some problems. Hopefully something here makes sense to you after this point and is helpful. If not I hope you can at least take away that you are not alone in being confused by what "normal" is supposed to be, and that it sucks to not know what to compare yourself to.

    I don't know of anything specifically written to help identify what you are asking for unfortunately. What I have seen be effective is group therapy in general. Group gives a chance to say stuff out loud and see if it is a just you thing, or if there are a bunch of others feeling the same. The great part is even if everyone else has no idea what you are on about they will be super supportive of you as a person as long as it is a good group.

    I will also plug therapy in general here. It sounds like you are going to a psychiatrist which is super helpful for a ton of people. Therapy is also super helpful for a ton of people. When they work together you can get to some amazing places and stop medicine, therapy, or both with no real downsides! Well, keeping in mind that mental health like physical health always regresses if you don't put energy into staying in shape.

    What it means to enjoy something is typically super specific, and something I tend to be cagey on with people because it can look so different. Back to the wall I would say if there is something you want to do, but don't need to do then you enjoy it. Sex, masturbation, reading for fun, video games, home gardening, watching TV, etc can all be examples of it. The key thing to look at is motivation. Am I putting TV on to drown out my own thoughts? Probably not enjoying it. Is it suddenly 3am after "one more turn" of civilization and you got work tomorrow? Probably enjoying it. Exceptions exist to both of the above, but it's not a bad general rule in my experience.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    That's one of the main reasons to talk to a professional therapist rather than self-diagnosing, they have the perspective needed to be that reference point.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    But it is so much easier to be awake at 2am overanalyzing every moment from my past to see if fits a Wikipedia description.

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    I have a Twitter account now, it's slightly NSFW because I retweeted Victorian/Edwardian smut but maybe people would like to network

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    jaziekjaziek Bad at everything And mad about it.Registered User regular
    So despite deciding I wanted to transition over 2 years ago now, I am *still* not on hrt because this country is a fucking nightmare,
    And now, my hair is getting thinner, and it's getting noticeable and i just... Can't. I have barely moved from my bed in a week, I can't stop crying. I've never felt this bad in my life before.
    Why does it have to be so hard.

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    WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    it's never too late to transition, hair grows back, and what doesn't is why wigs exist and are awesome. i'm not sure what your country is and i'm really sorry it's not happening as fast as you'd like, that really sucks, but whatever the hurdles, hrt will be there when you conquer them. i wish it was easier.

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    jaziekjaziek Bad at everything And mad about it.Registered User regular
    I live in Ireland.
    Hrt is not easy to get here at all. Requires basically a 3 year wait to get diagnosed, and it's illegal to import it yourself.

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    Are you in NI or in the Republic

    If your hair only started thinning, it'll grow back, actual bald patches won't grow hair back but where there's still hair there will be more

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    pimentopimento she/they/pim Registered User regular
    Also if you have a friendly GP you could maybe get on finasteride or similar, I started on that before HRT to stop my hair thinning out any further, worked good. It's also a mild T surpressant, so it's a cheeky head start on full on HRT.

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    jaziekjaziek Bad at everything And mad about it.Registered User regular
    I'm already on finasteride. It's been slowing stuff down, but it's still getting worse as time goes on.

    I'm in the Republic.

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    Can you potentially go private in NI/the UK or access the NHS under the CTA

    https://www.gov.ie/en/policy-information/b42e94-health-and-brexit/

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    Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Accessing the NHS would not do anything to help with wait times, unfortunately.

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    jaziekjaziek Bad at everything And mad about it.Registered User regular
    thanks @Platy for being there for me this evening. Really helped lift my mood a bit.

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    TankHammerTankHammer Atlanta Ghostbuster Atlanta, GARegistered User regular
    My favorite piece of rainbow capitalism is available again for those interested.
    https://www.converse.com/shop/pride-collection
    New designs with rainbow, trans, and now bi flag designs.
    All fully-customizable.

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    Here's mine from last year:
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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    On the bright side, I think we'll get to dodge most of them the debate about whether cops should be at pride this year.

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    initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    Well I won't have my first pride but I already got my first anti police brutality March in so I guess that's the same thing

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    AnzekayAnzekay Registered User regular
    god I want some of those shoes but those are expensive considering the exchange rate and probable shipping costs... :(

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    Erin The RedErin The Red The Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMA Baton Rouge, LARegistered User regular
    Stay safe out there. Love y'all

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    SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    Thanks for reminding me about the shoes!

    Picked up couple of pairs of some trans ones for me and one of my girlfriends!


    I move into downtown SF Monday.

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    it's cold down here. and our Pride is actually technically in Sept/Oct time.

    But I'm a Northern Hemisphere born girl, so I do Pride now.

    Wearing my Pride I knit myself. Happy Month, y'all. Love you.

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    Fleur de AlysFleur de Alys Biohacker Registered User regular
    October vs June
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    Last year's Pride was my first real public venture as myself. Before then it was just a friend's house and a support group.

    I was terrified, though I did wind up having a great time! I posted about it here, I recall - it was so pivotal a day.

    I remember thinking that's probably as good as I was going to look, too, except for some facial hair improvements and maybe FFS someday. Figured I'd live as a bit of a recluse.

    Looooool hormones are witchcraft who even am I now y'all

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