I think of all the weird things around his suicide, the idea of him actually chosing to take his life in that manner is one of the things I have no problem beleiving. Him ending up with no roommate when he wasn't supposed to and the cameras being broken were way weirder, but still explainable by the prison just being shit.
The thing about pedophiles in prison is that they end up dead a lot. That he didn't have a roommate didn't surprise me much, because we might have reached the same result, faster, otherwise.
He used to have a roommate, the triple murder ex-cop who apparently already tried to strangle Jeffrey, if I remember correctly.
Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
I think of all the weird things around his suicide, the idea of him actually chosing to take his life in that manner is one of the things I have no problem beleiving. Him ending up with no roommate when he wasn't supposed to and the cameras being broken were way weirder, but still explainable by the prison just being shit.
The thing about pedophiles in prison is that they end up dead a lot. That he didn't have a roommate didn't surprise me much, because we might have reached the same result, faster, otherwise.
He used to have a roommate, the triple murder ex-cop who apparently already tried to strangle Jeffrey, if I remember correctly.
They put him with a homicidal cop? Shit, that's Dahmer-in-genpop levels of negligence. I could see how someone might think that it was a conspiracy (it wasn't, though).
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It's not uncommon for psychopaths / control freaks to kill themselves in prison before trail as a final "fuck you" to their victims and anyone who dared to try to hold them accountable. It robs everyone else of closure.
"I decide my own fate, not you", "none of you are fit to pass judgement over me", "a man chooses", etc etc.
Doesn't even need to get to that level. He was looking at spending the rest of his life in prison, and it'd be a particularly unpleasant stretch of time even by the low standards of American prison life. Not a lot of incentive to stick around.
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I think of all the weird things around his suicide, the idea of him actually chosing to take his life in that manner is one of the things I have no problem beleiving. Him ending up with no roommate when he wasn't supposed to and the cameras being broken were way weirder, but still explainable by the prison just being shit.
The thing about pedophiles in prison is that they end up dead a lot. That he didn't have a roommate didn't surprise me much, because we might have reached the same result, faster, otherwise.
He used to have a roommate, the triple murder ex-cop who apparently already tried to strangle Jeffrey, if I remember correctly.
They put him with a homicidal cop? Shit, that's Dahmer-in-genpop levels of negligence. I could see how someone might think that it was a conspiracy (it wasn't, though).
Out of all the recent conspiracy theories, the Epstein murder is the one where you can see how things played out and understand why conspiracy theories are being made about it.
Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
I think of all the weird things around his suicide, the idea of him actually chosing to take his life in that manner is one of the things I have no problem beleiving. Him ending up with no roommate when he wasn't supposed to and the cameras being broken were way weirder, but still explainable by the prison just being shit.
The thing about pedophiles in prison is that they end up dead a lot. That he didn't have a roommate didn't surprise me much, because we might have reached the same result, faster, otherwise.
He used to have a roommate, the triple murder ex-cop who apparently already tried to strangle Jeffrey, if I remember correctly.
They put him with a homicidal cop? Shit, that's Dahmer-in-genpop levels of negligence. I could see how someone might think that it was a conspiracy (it wasn't, though).
Yes, with a quick verbal "boom." You take a man's peko, you deny him his dab, all that is left is to rise up and tear down the walls of Jericho with a ".....not!" -TexiKen
I think of all the weird things around his suicide, the idea of him actually chosing to take his life in that manner is one of the things I have no problem beleiving. Him ending up with no roommate when he wasn't supposed to and the cameras being broken were way weirder, but still explainable by the prison just being shit.
The thing about pedophiles in prison is that they end up dead a lot. That he didn't have a roommate didn't surprise me much, because we might have reached the same result, faster, otherwise.
He used to have a roommate, the triple murder ex-cop who apparently already tried to strangle Jeffrey, if I remember correctly.
They put him with a homicidal cop? Shit, that's Dahmer-in-genpop levels of negligence. I could see how someone might think that it was a conspiracy (it wasn't, though).
Cops get put in the same special section with pedophiles and other high risk people. It is a bare minimum measure to keep violence down to a societally acceptable level. Never underestimate how much people who work in prisons want to see the people incarcerated there suffer for the sake of suffering.
I think of all the weird things around his suicide, the idea of him actually chosing to take his life in that manner is one of the things I have no problem beleiving. Him ending up with no roommate when he wasn't supposed to and the cameras being broken were way weirder, but still explainable by the prison just being shit.
The thing about pedophiles in prison is that they end up dead a lot. That he didn't have a roommate didn't surprise me much, because we might have reached the same result, faster, otherwise.
He used to have a roommate, the triple murder ex-cop who apparently already tried to strangle Jeffrey, if I remember correctly.
They put him with a homicidal cop? Shit, that's Dahmer-in-genpop levels of negligence. I could see how someone might think that it was a conspiracy (it wasn't, though).
Bureaucratically it also makes sense as those two groups are least likely to have outside affiliations and are most likely to be targeted.
We had someone on this forum come out of a 5 year stay and basically said he ended up hanging out with pedos because otherwise you had to get involved in gang politics.
I think of all the weird things around his suicide, the idea of him actually chosing to take his life in that manner is one of the things I have no problem beleiving. Him ending up with no roommate when he wasn't supposed to and the cameras being broken were way weirder, but still explainable by the prison just being shit.
The thing about pedophiles in prison is that they end up dead a lot. That he didn't have a roommate didn't surprise me much, because we might have reached the same result, faster, otherwise.
He used to have a roommate, the triple murder ex-cop who apparently already tried to strangle Jeffrey, if I remember correctly.
I believe that ex-cop in Epstein's first cell was supposedly the one who raised the alarm about Epstein trying to commit suicide then, actually.
possibly on account of knowing no-one would believe the ex-cop charged with murder didn't kill the guy.
I think of all the weird things around his suicide, the idea of him actually chosing to take his life in that manner is one of the things I have no problem beleiving. Him ending up with no roommate when he wasn't supposed to and the cameras being broken were way weirder, but still explainable by the prison just being shit.
The thing about pedophiles in prison is that they end up dead a lot. That he didn't have a roommate didn't surprise me much, because we might have reached the same result, faster, otherwise.
He used to have a roommate, the triple murder ex-cop who apparently already tried to strangle Jeffrey, if I remember correctly.
I believe that ex-cop in Epstein's first cell was supposedly the one who raised the alarm about Epstein trying to commit suicide then, actually.
possibly on account of knowing no-one would believe the ex-cop charged with murder didn't kill the guy.
There was dispute about it. His version was that he stopped the attempt but admitted he was not gentle about it, which is why Epstein was alive but unconscious and roughed up. Epstein's lawyer gave the version that he was savagely attacked and should be released pending his trial.
Both have an obvious agenda and there were no other witnesses. The cop didn't raise an alarm or call for guards until after the struggle was over, but also had stopped on his own leaving Epstein neutralized but clearly still alive and retreated from Epstein before guards arrived. The investigation couldn't prove either version and nobody at the jail really cared so Epstein was moved out of the cell but the cop didn't pick up any new charges.
I'm equally willing to believe that a dirty murderer cop would try to kill him and that a dirty murderer cop would want him to not kill himself because he deserves to get shanked in prison, and the details of what guards arrived to find can be read several ways.
Bureaucratically it also makes sense as those two groups are least likely to have outside affiliations and are most likely to be targeted.
We had someone on this forum come out of a 5 year stay and basically said he ended up hanging out with pedos because otherwise you had to get involved in gang politics.
What a choice to make.
The prison system is a relic of the medieval era.
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I was skeptical of Epstein's suicide until I read more about it, including his suicide note saying 'no fun' and this bit:
On the morning of Tuesday, July 9th, Epstein underwent the requested formal, in-person suicide risk evaluation. The psychologist, whose name was redacted from the documents, found Epstein to be polite, cooperative, organised, coherent and even showing a sense of humour.
“Epstein adamantly denied any suicidal ideation, intention or plan,” she wrote in her notes. He requested a phone call, a meeting with his attorney, a shower and to brush his teeth.
Epstein described himself to her as a banker with a “big business” and said that “being alive is fun"
it seems like the 'no fun' bit he wrote specifically in reference to this comment he made to the psychologist. that 'fun' bit seems to me to be something only Epstein would write in a suicide note as only he and the psychologist would be aware of the direct reference. it seems like he just came to realize he wasn't getting out, and he wasn't going to be having 'fun' anymore in his life
To me it's not a question of whether or not Epstein killed himself, it's if there was a concerted effort to put him into a position where he'd be willing AND able to kill himself, up to and including fucking with the surveillance so they'd have deniability for why they didn't stop him.
To me it's not a question of whether or not Epstein killed himself, it's if there was a concerted effort to put him into a position where he'd be willing AND able to kill himself, up to and including fucking with the surveillance so they'd have deniability for why they didn't stop him.
My frustration in this all is that his death has overshadowed his life. Before he killed himself there was a string of reports about who was and wasn't on the island. Since he died all the discussion is just about whether or not he killed himself. Zero interest is given to who would be behind this mysterious conspiracy theory. It has been an incredibly successful effort to stop talking about all the people who used him to have sex with children.
This is why I have some actual hope about trump going to jail, the process by which they are doing it is plodding and beige which turns out is one of the more effective ways of dismantling and disrupting a rising fascist movement
This is why I have some actual hope about trump going to jail, the process by which they are doing it is plodding and beige which turns out is one of the more effective ways of dismantling and disrupting a rising fascist movement
The Thin Beige Line of Bureaucrats. It symbolizes how they protect us from the evils of the world. In triplicate.
A federal judge in New York has ordered a vast unsealing of court documents in early 2024 that will make public the names of scores of Jeffrey Epstein's associates.
The documents are part of a settled civil lawsuit alleging Epstein's one-time paramour Ghislaine Maxwell facilitated the sexual abuse of Virginia Giuffre. Terms of the 2017 settlement were not disclosed.
Why would any of our media care about shielding victims when they can write another salacious article about Bill Clinton? I mean Polanski's victim still got trotted out anytime his name comes up in conversations to the point she wants him exonerated so people leave her alone.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
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Two things:
1) The release is scheduled for January 1, so that's a bit under two weeks out during a busy holiday time. Hope everyone involved has been paying close attention to the situation so they can put in to be redacted.
2) Epstein's associates isn't exactly well defined. There's about 150 names that will be released unless they object, and while I'm sure a good chunk are lovely people like Dershowitz, I'm not seeing much to indicate why those 150 people's names are in the lawsuit documents.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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I guess it'll be a page with details of who should be on it, and then a big black rectangle of redacted information. Maybe one or two victim names come through because they didn't "meet the deadline".
Really not expecting much from this, unfortunately.
The FBI has begun an investigation after the BBC revealed claims that the former CEO of Abercrombie & Fitch (A&F) sexually exploited and abused men at events he hosted around the world.
Mike Jeffries and his British partner also face a civil lawsuit alleging they ran a sex-trafficking operation.
FBI agents are now interviewing and issuing subpoenas to potential witnesses, the BBC understands.
A lawyer for Mr Jeffries declined to comment.
This is wholly unsurprising, as Jeffries was the CEO during A&F's "youth-focused" period in the 00's, known for the catalogs that were veering towards softcore porn,and had been known for some very questionable behavior during that period.
The modern Abercrombie and Fitch was created when Les Wexner bought the heritage Abercrombie and Fitch brand and put Mike Jeffries in charge of turning it into a youth apparel brand under his Limited Brands umbrella
So Wexner put both Jeffries and Epstein in charge of his money and brands
I knew somebody that worked for A&F as a college job and they said the main campus gave bizarre cult vibes, so I can't say I'm surprised.
I always have to stop and tell the best dad joke my dad has ever made when A&F gets brought up in that Era.
It was probably like 2002-2005. We're at the mall a week before Christmas and it's packed. A&F, for some reason that season, made two shirtless dudes stand out front of the store like royal guards. They didn't smile or interact. They just had on like a scarf and winter hat and jeans and stood there shirtless.
And we walk by, and my dad stops, which causes a huge backup of mall goers, and he stares at the two dudes. And then he turns to me and the crowd and goes
"Oh my god, they're out of shirts! At Christmas time!"
It was like he transformed into Steve Martin for a minute and is my favorite thing he's ever pulled.
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Some updated information based on data collected by a data broker:
Jeffrey Epstein’s Island Visitors Exposed by Data Broker
A WIRED investigation uncovered coordinates collected by a controversial data broker that reveal sensitive information about visitors to an island once owned by Epstein, the notorious sex offender.
Nearly 200 mobile devices of people who visited Jeffrey Epstein’s notorious “pedophile island” in the years prior to his death left an invisible trail of data pointing back to their own homes and offices. Maps of these visitations generated by a troubled international data broker with defense industry ties, discovered last week by WIRED, document the numerous trips of wealthy and influential individuals seemingly undeterred by Epstein’s status as a convicted sex offender.
The data amassed by Near Intelligence, a location data broker roiled by allegations of mismanagement and fraud, reveals with high precision the residences of many guests of Little Saint James, a United States Virgin Islands property where Epstein is accused of having groomed, assaulted, and trafficked countless women and girls.
More at the link, but they very specifically did not deanonymize the reported information, though it sounds like they could have if they wanted to.
Jeffrey Epstein’s Island Visitors Exposed by Data Broker
A WIRED investigation uncovered coordinates collected by a controversial data broker that reveal sensitive information about visitors to an island once owned by Epstein, the notorious sex offender.
Nearly 200 mobile devices of people who visited Jeffrey Epstein’s notorious “pedophile island” in the years prior to his death left an invisible trail of data pointing back to their own homes and offices. Maps of these visitations generated by a troubled international data broker with defense industry ties, discovered last week by WIRED, document the numerous trips of wealthy and influential individuals seemingly undeterred by Epstein’s status as a convicted sex offender.
The data amassed by Near Intelligence, a location data broker roiled by allegations of mismanagement and fraud, reveals with high precision the residences of many guests of Little Saint James, a United States Virgin Islands property where Epstein is accused of having groomed, assaulted, and trafficked countless women and girls.
More at the link, but they very specifically did not deanonymize the reported information, though it sounds like they could have if they wanted to.
I would because fuck those assholes. Consequences are for tomorrow.
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Any number of people who were not part of or complicit in those crimes (and had no knowledge of them) as well as many people who may well have been victims of those crimes likely are also included in that data set. Unless you wanted a bunch of potentially totally innocent or possibly already victimized people to suddenly have extensive tracking data about their movements and location thrown into the wilds of the internet, you would probably have to sift through and vet a lot of the data even if you planned on releasing all the data of people you thought were actually involved to one degree or another.
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Any number of people who were not part of or complicit in those crimes (and had no knowledge of them) as well as many people who may well have been victims of those crimes likely are also included in that data set. Unless you wanted a bunch of potentially totally innocent or possibly already victimized people to suddenly have extensive tracking data about their movements and location thrown into the wilds of the internet, you would probably have to sift through and vet a lot of the data even if you planned on releasing all the data of people you thought were actually involved to one degree or another.
This is why you don't trust me to make those calls.
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Any number of people who were not part of or complicit in those crimes (and had no knowledge of them) as well as many people who may well have been victims of those crimes likely are also included in that data set. Unless you wanted a bunch of potentially totally innocent or possibly already victimized people to suddenly have extensive tracking data about their movements and location thrown into the wilds of the internet, you would probably have to sift through and vet a lot of the data even if you planned on releasing all the data of people you thought were actually involved to one degree or another.
The article specifically calls out people who were likely trafficked that are in the data set, given where they came from. So yeah, that is very much a concern.
While I'm not saying the article is wrong, that's potentially the least plausible website I've seen linked in this thread. I suggest scrolling to the "related articles" section, and noting that it includes "Big Pharma Exec Admits DoD Invented mRNA To Depopulate the World" before deciding how much you want to trust the article.
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He used to have a roommate, the triple murder ex-cop who apparently already tried to strangle Jeffrey, if I remember correctly.
They put him with a homicidal cop? Shit, that's Dahmer-in-genpop levels of negligence. I could see how someone might think that it was a conspiracy (it wasn't, though).
Doesn't even need to get to that level. He was looking at spending the rest of his life in prison, and it'd be a particularly unpleasant stretch of time even by the low standards of American prison life. Not a lot of incentive to stick around.
Out of all the recent conspiracy theories, the Epstein murder is the one where you can see how things played out and understand why conspiracy theories are being made about it.
Sorry, I was wrong about the triple murder.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/08/us/nicholas-tartaglione-conviction-epstein-cellmate/index.html
It was 4.
Cops get put in the same special section with pedophiles and other high risk people. It is a bare minimum measure to keep violence down to a societally acceptable level. Never underestimate how much people who work in prisons want to see the people incarcerated there suffer for the sake of suffering.
That dude reads like a more corrupt cop than Vic Mackey from The Shield.
We had someone on this forum come out of a 5 year stay and basically said he ended up hanging out with pedos because otherwise you had to get involved in gang politics.
I believe that ex-cop in Epstein's first cell was supposedly the one who raised the alarm about Epstein trying to commit suicide then, actually.
possibly on account of knowing no-one would believe the ex-cop charged with murder didn't kill the guy.
There was dispute about it. His version was that he stopped the attempt but admitted he was not gentle about it, which is why Epstein was alive but unconscious and roughed up. Epstein's lawyer gave the version that he was savagely attacked and should be released pending his trial.
Both have an obvious agenda and there were no other witnesses. The cop didn't raise an alarm or call for guards until after the struggle was over, but also had stopped on his own leaving Epstein neutralized but clearly still alive and retreated from Epstein before guards arrived. The investigation couldn't prove either version and nobody at the jail really cared so Epstein was moved out of the cell but the cop didn't pick up any new charges.
I'm equally willing to believe that a dirty murderer cop would try to kill him and that a dirty murderer cop would want him to not kill himself because he deserves to get shanked in prison, and the details of what guards arrived to find can be read several ways.
What a choice to make.
The prison system is a relic of the medieval era.
it seems like the 'no fun' bit he wrote specifically in reference to this comment he made to the psychologist. that 'fun' bit seems to me to be something only Epstein would write in a suicide note as only he and the psychologist would be aware of the direct reference. it seems like he just came to realize he wasn't getting out, and he wasn't going to be having 'fun' anymore in his life
I can fully accept Hanlon's Razor on this.
John Q Public may have stopped talking about it, but regulators, revenuers, and law enforcement haven't:
https://www.icij.org/investigations/panama-papers/where-are-they-now-2023/
This is why I have some actual hope about trump going to jail, the process by which they are doing it is plodding and beige which turns out is one of the more effective ways of dismantling and disrupting a rising fascist movement
The Thin Beige Line of Bureaucrats. It symbolizes how they protect us from the evils of the world. In triplicate.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/federal-judge-orders-documents-naming-jeffrey-epsteins-associates/story?id=105779882
Still not cool but maybe less evil
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1) The release is scheduled for January 1, so that's a bit under two weeks out during a busy holiday time. Hope everyone involved has been paying close attention to the situation so they can put in to be redacted.
2) Epstein's associates isn't exactly well defined. There's about 150 names that will be released unless they object, and while I'm sure a good chunk are lovely people like Dershowitz, I'm not seeing much to indicate why those 150 people's names are in the lawsuit documents.
Really not expecting much from this, unfortunately.
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This is wholly unsurprising, as Jeffries was the CEO during A&F's "youth-focused" period in the 00's, known for the catalogs that were veering towards softcore porn,and had been known for some very questionable behavior during that period.
The modern Abercrombie and Fitch was created when Les Wexner bought the heritage Abercrombie and Fitch brand and put Mike Jeffries in charge of turning it into a youth apparel brand under his Limited Brands umbrella
So Wexner put both Jeffries and Epstein in charge of his money and brands
I always have to stop and tell the best dad joke my dad has ever made when A&F gets brought up in that Era.
It was probably like 2002-2005. We're at the mall a week before Christmas and it's packed. A&F, for some reason that season, made two shirtless dudes stand out front of the store like royal guards. They didn't smile or interact. They just had on like a scarf and winter hat and jeans and stood there shirtless.
And we walk by, and my dad stops, which causes a huge backup of mall goers, and he stares at the two dudes. And then he turns to me and the crowd and goes
"Oh my god, they're out of shirts! At Christmas time!"
It was like he transformed into Steve Martin for a minute and is my favorite thing he's ever pulled.
https://www.wired.com/story/jeffrey-epstein-island-visitors-data-broker-leak/
More at the link, but they very specifically did not deanonymize the reported information, though it sounds like they could have if they wanted to.
I mean, I wouldn't either. I like living.
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The article specifically calls out people who were likely trafficked that are in the data set, given where they came from. So yeah, that is very much a concern.
https://www.thaimbc.com/2024/01/04/seized-jeffrey-epstein-hard-drives-and-videos-were-accidentally-lost-authorities-admit/
"Accidentally"
While I'm not saying the article is wrong, that's potentially the least plausible website I've seen linked in this thread. I suggest scrolling to the "related articles" section, and noting that it includes "Big Pharma Exec Admits DoD Invented mRNA To Depopulate the World" before deciding how much you want to trust the article.