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[Magic The Gathering Arena] Fires of Treachery banned!

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    DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    I've been having some success with a monogreen kinda-stompy thing in the Arena queue. Got to low rank platinum with it. Sadly at this level there seems to only be three decks: FotD, Fires Superfriends, and Cavalcade.

    Still, this is my current decklist:
    3 Castle Garenbrig (ELD) 240
    3 Pelt Collector (GRN) 141
    18 Forest (ANA) 65
    4 Barkhide Troll (M20) 165
    3 Gilded Goose (ELD) 160
    3 Paradise Druid (WAR) 171
    3 Once Upon a Time (ELD) 169
    3 Yorvo, Lord of Garenbrig (ELD) 185
    4 Questing Beast (ELD) 171
    1 God-Eternal Rhonas (WAR) 163
    3 Evolution Sage (WAR) 159
    3 The Great Henge (ELD) 161
    2 Feasting Troll King (ELD) 152
    2 Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner (WAR) 232
    2 Shifting Ceratops (M20) 194
    3 Thrash // Threat (RNA) 229

    I wasn't sure about Kiora but man if you can drop her early she does work (and/or attracts a ton of fire from Cavalcade, helping you live long enough for the fatties to come online).

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Korror wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    admanb wrote: »
    Creatures with a bunch of enchantments attached to them.

    I don't think I'd call it "boggles" unless they had Hexproof, but that's nitpicky.

    yeah, if it doesn't have hexproof it's just 'stompy'

    it's all nerd jargon tho

    If it's stompy, you're just playing big dumb green creatures with maybe rancor thrown in. Loading up a small evasive creature with auras is a different gameplan. I'm not sure how well that game plan will work but if you pick up a bunch of all that glitters, no one is going to fight you for the beloved princesses. You just have to pray that they don't have any removal.

    Well, 4 removal. The princesses have a very specific kind of evasion that makes them a nightmare to deal with.

    And the deck has enough stuff in it that synergizes well. Those treefolk make the princesses nearly unkillable. I can go wide with call of the widespeaker on the crafted 1/1s or (as has tended to be the case) use it to draw 6 cards.

    The fact that the princess is unblockable by beefy things that kill her and she has lifelink means I can be hyper, hyper aggro. I had one game end because I was able to give the princess flying and buffed her with tall as a beanstalk and all that glitters to the point where she was 14/14 flying and his only flier was a 3/3, securing the game.

    it's a solid strategy, just very vulnerable to being baked into tasty tasty pies

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I mean, if I go first then that’s a potential 7/7 by turn 4 and they are already down to 9 Life while I am sitting keen at 31.

    I beat a draw two go wide deck in round six because all that draw eventually milled him to death. I only was able to win because of all the incidental life gain from the princess, the dude had two revenge of ravens out and I was barely able to stabilize in time by dealing all the damage to his fairies with one princess while the other was as tall as a beanstalk and hung back to heal/block

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    At any rate, I'm gonna do another draft and I would again welcome people stopping by with advice or commentary on how I can perform better at each stage of the game. I think I did a little better with the last draft than some people thought, so I hope that means I'm improving in at least one area of play

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    Korror wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    admanb wrote: »
    Creatures with a bunch of enchantments attached to them.

    I don't think I'd call it "boggles" unless they had Hexproof, but that's nitpicky.

    yeah, if it doesn't have hexproof it's just 'stompy'

    it's all nerd jargon tho

    If it's stompy, you're just playing big dumb green creatures with maybe rancor thrown in. Loading up a small evasive creature with auras is a different gameplan. I'm not sure how well that game plan will work but if you pick up a bunch of all that glitters, no one is going to fight you for the beloved princesses. You just have to pray that they don't have any removal.

    Well, 4 removal. The princesses have a very specific kind of evasion that makes them a nightmare to deal with.

    And the deck has enough stuff in it that synergizes well. Those treefolk make the princesses nearly unkillable. I can go wide with call of the widespeaker on the crafted 1/1s or (as has tended to be the case) use it to draw 6 cards.

    The fact that the princess is unblockable by beefy things that kill her and she has lifelink means I can be hyper, hyper aggro. I had one game end because I was able to give the princess flying and buffed her with tall as a beanstalk and all that glitters to the point where she was 14/14 flying and his only flier was a 3/3, securing the game.

    it's a solid strategy, just very vulnerable to being baked into tasty tasty pies

    Or running away together with an enemy Merfolk Secretkeeper. Or falling into a Charmed Sleep.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
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    IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    Looks like the troll toll...came back to bite him.

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    AssuranAssuran Is swinging on the Spiral Registered User regular
    As expected, field decks are just under half the entries in this Mythic championship and as expected Once Upon a Time is the most played card.

    Only 6 decks don't play green.

    There are no control decks.

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    ChaosHatChaosHat Hop, hop, hop, HA! Trick of the lightRegistered User regular
    WotC put out a poll for what you think about Eldraine and it really made me sit and reflect and I think Planeswalkers are being done really badly right now, especially low costed ones. Oko is very strong, he comes down early with a lot of loyalty and will take over the game if you don't deal with him. T3feri is inherently game warping, especially if he comes down turn 3 on the play. From what I hear, Wrenn and Six is also extremely powerful in the formats it's legal in.

    I think Planeswalkers feel the most fun and fair at the Teferi, Hero of Dominaria, or the 6 cmc can't be countered Chandra there are too many Chandra's to remember. If they're going to make low cost walkers, they should be all passives and minus abilities. The higher cost ones take a while to win the game, and they come out at a point when there are downsides to playing them, you can't just cast them on an empty board most of the time, you need some way to protect them.

    I was thinking it was just fatigue from War of the Spark, but most of those are just fine. I don't find Nissa to be too overwhelming, although I think she rides the line. I know all the rage is fields of the dead hate, but I feel like Bant planeswalkers is going to be super annoying in it's absence.

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    DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    Assuran wrote: »
    As expected, field decks are just under half the entries in this Mythic championship and as expected Once Upon a Time is the most played card.

    Only 6 decks don't play green.

    There are no control decks.

    I mean, what is Fires planeswalkers, if not a control deck? The entire gameplan is "kill everything the opponent does and keep drawing responses until they don't have anything left", which is kind of control-y.

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    YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    Sometimes they also just smash your face in with 4/4 dragonwalkers.

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    AssuranAssuran Is swinging on the Spiral Registered User regular
    Possibly.

    But it feels more midrange to me because of Fires.

    And even if we say it's control, then there is exactly 1 control deck.

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
    EDH talk:

    Managed to get a Atla Palani, Nest Tender and Mirror Entity combo to go off triggering 14 eggs right before my turn.
    14 huge creatures with trample double strike out of no where... I don't think I'm allowed to play this deck any more.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
    If you have 14 creatures on board, you've probably already won tbf. I'm sure your deck is fine

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    If you have 14 creatures on board, you've probably already won tbf. I'm sure your deck is fine

    0/1 Plant tokens are still creatures, but 14 of them isn't a threat in and of itself.

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
    milski wrote: »
    If you have 14 creatures on board, you've probably already won tbf. I'm sure your deck is fine
    I had a bunch of saprolings then played Second Harvest to double them up on my opponents turn and blew up Mirror Entity.

    The funny thing is the other guy had Teysa Karlov and Blood Artist out so I nearly died making my omelet

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    If you have 14 creatures on board, you've probably already won tbf. I'm sure your deck is fine

    0/1 Plant tokens are still creatures, but 14 of them isn't a threat in and of itself.

    If you have 14 plant tokens then you probably have an Avenger of Zendikar :P

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    If you have 14 creatures on board, you've probably already won tbf. I'm sure your deck is fine

    0/1 Plant tokens are still creatures, but 14 of them isn't a threat in and of itself.

    If you have 14 plant tokens then you probably have an Avenger of Zendikar :P

    Had, more accurately.

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    Dr. FlamingoDr. Flamingo 49 Gilded Disc Perceives the Sun Registered User regular
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    If you have 14 creatures on board, you've probably already won tbf. I'm sure your deck is fine

    0/1 Plant tokens are still creatures, but 14 of them isn't a threat in and of itself.

    Yeah, but we've established that Mirror Entity is in the equation already. :P

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    If you have 14 creatures on board, you've probably already won tbf. I'm sure your deck is fine

    0/1 Plant tokens are still creatures, but 14 of them isn't a threat in and of itself.

    Yeah, but we've established that Mirror Entity is in the equation already. :P

    This is fair.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    My Norin deck came in today. For October, everybody else in my pod is showing off how strong they can be with spooky decks. Me? I'm gonna show them the power of being scared

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    Anyone got tips for SEALED deck construction?

    I wanna give it another shot with Throne of Eldraine.

    Thanks in advance.

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Anyone got tips for SEALED deck construction?

    I wanna give it another shot with Throne of Eldraine.

    Thanks in advance.

    For Eldraine in particular, pay close attention to your removal. Eldraine is a bit bomby and having enough removal in your colors is important.

    Also unlike in draft you can’t really build around cards. Either you have all the cards to enable the combo in your pool or you don’t, and if you don’t don’t bother.

    Also you may have like a super bomb rare but if you can’t actually play enough cards in its colors to make a competitive deck you’re better off going with colors you have a more solid base of commons and uncommons in (especially, again, removal)

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    WyvernWyvern Registered User regular
    So I downloaded this on a whim a few nights ago. I don't really know what I'm doing, since I haven't played since, like...invasion block, but my starter packs from the promo codes had a few flashy cards in them (notably Nicol Bolas Dragon-God, Ugin the Ineffable, and Lazav the Multifarious). I failed utterly to get a green deck to curve out and have since been playing mostly Black/Blue or Black/Red, since the black starter deck at least sets you with good 1-drops, good removal, and some fliers, which is something I guess. I'm currently building towards getting the account mastery for the blue/black starter deck, since it seems like the best compliment to what I'm currently doing. I played mostly Red/Black as a kid, but I looked up the Rakdos starter deck and wasn't really impressed.

    I have no idea how to go about building a collection, though. It seems like every available limited format uses and rewards only Throne of Eldrin cards and nothing else? Is it always like that? 'Cause I'm not gonna lie, I'm having a bit of a hard time getting enthused about a set whose theme is "public domain fairy tales". Not really what I'm accustomed to, y'know?

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Wyvern wrote: »
    So I downloaded this on a whim a few nights ago. I don't really know what I'm doing, since I haven't played since, like...invasion block, but my starter packs from the promo codes had a few flashy cards in them (notably Nicol Bolas Dragon-God, Ugin the Ineffable, and Lazav the Multifarious). I failed utterly to get a green deck to curve out and have since been playing mostly Black/Blue or Black/Red, since the black starter deck at least sets you with good 1-drops, good removal, and some fliers, which is something I guess. I'm currently building towards getting the account mastery for the blue/black starter deck, since it seems like the best compliment to what I'm currently doing. I played mostly Red/Black as a kid, but I looked up the Rakdos starter deck and wasn't really impressed.

    I have no idea how to go about building a collection, though. It seems like every available limited format uses and rewards only Throne of Eldrin cards and nothing else? Is it always like that? 'Cause I'm not gonna lie, I'm having a bit of a hard time getting enthused about a set whose theme is "public domain fairy tales". Not really what I'm accustomed to, y'know?

    it is not always like that no

    it's like that right now because the new set just came out.

    I expect they'll rotate in another draft set within a couple weeks (though afaik they won't rotate out eldraine draft)

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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    Do quests, get gold, buy packs from whatever set. If you want to stay in Standard buy only those packs. Doesn't have to be Eldraine.

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Xeddicus wrote: »
    Do quests, get gold, buy packs from whatever set. If you want to stay in Standard buy only those packs. Doesn't have to be Eldraine.

    If you spring (or earn enough gems) for the Mastery Pass you'll accumulate packs fairly often. The regular XP track is fine but limited.

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    gBAZgBAZ Registered User regular
    Wyvern wrote: »
    If you are f2p like myself, and just starting out.... you are going to have a real tough time getting your 'must win' quests completed.

    The only two modes where players card pools don't matter are sealed and draft.
    And those two are usually gems only entrence (gems = premium in game currency, ie real $).
    So you are boned either way.

    What you could do, is build the cheapest top tier standard deck (probably still mono red, least amount of rares/mystics needed?),
    then grind out wins in unranked/ranked? for a few months with the plan to build another top tier deck.

    I suppose a good cheap aggro deck could pull off wins a good deal of the time in best of 1's.

    If you haven't all ready looked up some codes for free packs, I think these are the only ones currently working:
    PlayAllegiance = 3 Ravnica Allegiance Packs
    PlayRavnica = 3 Guild of Ravnica Packs
    PlayWarSpark = 3 War of the Spark Packs
    PlayEldraine = 3 Throne of Eldraine Packs
    PLAYM20 = 3 Core Set 2020 Packs
    OneBillion = 1 War of the Spark Pack

    I think there are unique codes for packs from pre-releases or something floating around.
    One for 6 packs [i think] of Core Set 2020 packs (only 1 per account)
    and one for 1 pack of Throne of Eldraine Packs (6 per account? unsure, I didn't get any this round, sadface)

    If you plan on playing against other fresh to the game f2p players and having equal chances, think again, even in unranked mode, you fight against top tier decks 50% of the time.

    This won't impact you for some time, but it is extremely gut wrenching.... since mtga is standard focused, be prepared for your card collection to become worthless thanks to rotating out of standard and thanks to wizards of the coast purposely not implementing a way to turn cards into other cards, like we could with real paper mtg via trading/selling.

    Since mtga isn't mirroring paper magic, wizards of the coast will be able to implement many MANY more psychological tricks to get people to spend money all the while keeping players collections worthless since you can't sell/trade your collection!
    Think about that for a minute.

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    YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    Mono red is still very cheap but it's also only like a T3 deck right now. It gets absolutely dunked on by Simic Food and Golgari Adventures.

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    ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    edited October 2019
    For me, the trick to MTGA was to Get Gud at draft. Draft is by far the best format in MTGA IMO. While you do see similar decks ("oh, another Blue/Black mill deck or Green/White Adventure deck in Throne draft? I'm shocked, shocked!"), you're not playing against the endless stream of Golos/Field and Oko Food decks in Standard.


    Thinking of draft:
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    7-1, and I feel like this is by far the best deck I've ever drafted. The sideboard looks weird in part because I was rare drafting, and in part because I was white/red through my first pack and pivoted hard when Oko showed up. My loss came when a blue/black mill deck milled both plainswalkers on turns 1 and 2 and then locked me down. The highlight of the run was using the +2/+2 buff on the Carvers to give an enemy wall enough power to kill a Wolf - led to an instant concede.

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    jmcdonaldjmcdonald I voted, did you? DC(ish)Registered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    For me, the trick to MTGA was to Get Gud at draft. Draft is by far the best format in MTGA IMO. While you do see similar decks ("oh, another Blue/Black mill deck or Green/White Adventure deck in Throne draft? I'm shocked, shocked!"), you're not playing against the endless stream of Golos/Field and Oko Food decks in Standard.


    Thinking of draft:
    zR2SQDn.png

    7-1, and I feel like this is by far the best deck I've ever drafted. The sideboard looks weird in part because I was rare drafting, and in part because I was white/red through my first pack and pivoted hard when Oko showed up. My loss came when a blue/black mill deck milled both plainswalkers on turns 1 and 2 and then locked me down. The highlight of the run was using the +2/+2 buff on the Carvers to give an enemy wall enough power to kill a Wolf - led to an instant concede.

    You have the two most powerful cards in the set in this deck - it should have felt powerful.

    That’s a hell of a pull man.

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    jmcdonald wrote: »
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    For me, the trick to MTGA was to Get Gud at draft. Draft is by far the best format in MTGA IMO. While you do see similar decks ("oh, another Blue/Black mill deck or Green/White Adventure deck in Throne draft? I'm shocked, shocked!"), you're not playing against the endless stream of Golos/Field and Oko Food decks in Standard.


    Thinking of draft:
    zR2SQDn.png

    7-1, and I feel like this is by far the best deck I've ever drafted. The sideboard looks weird in part because I was rare drafting, and in part because I was white/red through my first pack and pivoted hard when Oko showed up. My loss came when a blue/black mill deck milled both plainswalkers on turns 1 and 2 and then locked me down. The highlight of the run was using the +2/+2 buff on the Carvers to give an enemy wall enough power to kill a Wolf - led to an instant concede.

    You have the two most powerful cards in the set in this deck - it should have felt powerful.

    That’s a hell of a pull man.

    My drafts are more like "1st pack rare is trash in Draft, second pack has no rare at all due to a factory mishap, third pack is just 14 tokens". :razz:

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    SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    I had a 5-3 this morning with Green/Black food which was fun, highlight was using the giant's skewer on a piglet to hold off a horde of cats. That game ended up going all the way to the bottom of both our decks, 3rd from the bottom pull was the cauldron's gift, used that to get Syr Konrad back into play and mill the last 2 cards, clutch!

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    21stCentury21stCentury Call me Pixel, or Pix for short! [They/Them]Registered User regular
    I love people trying the cauldron cat pie deck on me when i'm playing Cheap Azorius flyers. Sorry, you cat is useless because my fairy doesn't like loud noises.

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    Tried out a jank cat deck revolving around Mirror March. I figure with the number of times it enters the battlefield i'd have tons of copies that all sacrifice triggering Mayhem Devil. 7 enter the battle field effects with Mirror March out and 0 Mirror March triggers.
    FUCK YOU COIN GOD!

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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    Well computers don't generate truly random numbers, so it's all rigged against you really.

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    KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Also for some reason the Mirror March tokens get exiled (not sacrificed), while Chandra's tokens get sacrificed.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Yilias wrote: »
    Mono red is still very cheap but it's also only like a T3 deck right now. It gets absolutely dunked on by Simic Food and Golgari Adventures.

    Ramp is so strong right now that most aggro decks are suffering

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2019
    All you really need for the jank sacrifice deck is a cat and an oven

    The rest is to taste

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    Mayhem Devils + Oven Cats is an amazing combo. I dare say not even jank any more.

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