Obviously not the outcome I was hoping for, but the chances of it being anything other than this, a liberal majority, or a conservative minority were obviously incredibly slim, and I’d say this is easily the best of those options.
the chances of it being anything other than this, a liberal majority, or a conservative minority were obviously incredibly slim
and yet, recent elections in other countries have come out in those incredibly slim, incredibly depressing ways.
Very true. I mean, shit, I live in Ontario. Shit is bad here. Although the conservative majority here was much less surprising, I’m still thankful we don’t have to deal with that on a national scale. Far too many places are suffering under far right austerity and violence.
Less than 25% of the polling stations in my riding have reported yet, and the liberal candidate is only 4k votes ahead of the Bloq, and yet CBC is already declaring a liberal win.
I don't get poll predictions.
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In case you're wondering just how badly FPTP screwed us this time around: oooh boyyyyyy
LPC got 33.05% of the vote and 157/338 MPs (46.45%)
CPC got 34.4% of the vote and 121 MPs (35.8%)
BQ got 7.7% and 32 (9.47%)
NDP got 15.91% and 24 (7.1%)
GP got 6.5% and 3 (0.89%)
Independents, globally, got 0.8% and 1 (0.3%)
PPC got 1.64% and 0 (0%, which is the one instance where FPTP got it right because that's what he is, a big fat zero).
So yeah, the order of influence is literally completely shuffled from what the popular vote should give us.
The three parties that got the most screwed out of this, the Conservatives, NDP and Greens, don't together hold enough seats to push voting reform through so I guess we're doing this again in a couple years.
In case you're wondering just how badly FPTP screwed us this time around: oooh boyyyyyy
LPC got 33.05% of the vote and 157/338 MPs (46.45%)
CPC got 34.4% of the vote and 121 MPs (35.8%)
BQ got 7.7% and 32 (9.47%)
NDP got 15.91% and 24 (7.1%)
GP got 6.5% and 3 (0.89%)
Independents, globally, got 0.8% and 1 (0.3%)
PPC got 1.64% and 0 (0%, which is the one instance where FPTP got it right because that's what he is, a big fat zero).
So yeah, the order of influence is literally completely shuffled from what the popular vote should give us.
That's not...
Nationwide popular vote doesn't matter in a parliamentary system, regardless of the vote counting method.
In case you're wondering just how badly FPTP screwed us this time around: oooh boyyyyyy
LPC got 33.05% of the vote and 157/338 MPs (46.45%)
CPC got 34.4% of the vote and 121 MPs (35.8%)
BQ got 7.7% and 32 (9.47%)
NDP got 15.91% and 24 (7.1%)
GP got 6.5% and 3 (0.89%)
Independents, globally, got 0.8% and 1 (0.3%)
PPC got 1.64% and 0 (0%, which is the one instance where FPTP got it right because that's what he is, a big fat zero).
So yeah, the order of influence is literally completely shuffled from what the popular vote should give us.
That's not...
Nationwide popular vote doesn't matter in a parliamentary system, regardless of the vote counting merged.
It could definitely be argued that a parliament made up of similar proportions to the popular vote reflects the democratic process more fairly, and that FPTP is in great part to blame for how divergent it is in this case.
Nationwide, NPD and Green voters will be very underrepresented in this government, and Liberals overrepresented. That's the problem.
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I want fptp to go but also really have some anxieties about ending up like Australia where its been a nonstop parade of the stupidest and/or evillest people in charge.
if the government reflected the popular vote, Andrew Scheer would be Prime Minister
however, he would be Prime Minister of a very slim minority government and the NDP would have over twice as much weight in the opposition, and the Greens would then be granted the balance of power as well.
I want fptp to go but also really have some anxieties about ending up like Australia where its been a nonstop parade of the stupidest and/or evillest people in charge.
That's uh. That's not the fault of our voting system, which is pretty solid. That's because we're a bunch of regressive morons.
If we had fptp the conservatives would be far more entrenched. Look, I think there's a tendency to look at the US and UK and say oh these arseholes are only in charge because of shenanigans and therefore the populace isn't as fucking awful as it might appear, and then extrapolate to all countries, but Australia is actually a good example of why putting the right system in place won't magically fix cultural issues. I can say, with great confidence, that Australia pretty much always gets the government it wants. Yes, it's embarassing.
Also we don't do proportional representation, there seems to be some confusion about voting systems vs seat allocation. PR with this distribtion would, as noted, end up with the cons in charge. I don't know what single transferrable or ranked choice voting would look like in this scenario, really fucking hard to predict that, but my guess is a larger NDP share of seats but not otherwise much different. Maybe more Bloc seats too.
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Minority is left to confirm now.
Might be a particularly stable minority though, with the NDP holding the balance. We’ll see!
while true im still disappointed in giant comet 2019's performance
Totally get it, but as another colonial who sat through an absolute shit of an election outcome back in May, I'm breathing a sigh of relief.
YES. SAME.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
It's possible that the libs cannot pass a confidence motion without some tories or bloc voters
and yet, recent elections in other countries have come out in those incredibly slim, incredibly depressing ways.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
Still some results coming in, LPC + NDP is now over 170
Very true. I mean, shit, I live in Ontario. Shit is bad here. Although the conservative majority here was much less surprising, I’m still thankful we don’t have to deal with that on a national scale. Far too many places are suffering under far right austerity and violence.
I don't get poll predictions.
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That kind of thing?
Yeah and then Kaiba is disintegrated, you know the one
I didn't dare believe we'd get the Good Option here, but here we are
This is a barely comprehensible relief, and I'm really crossing my fingers for actually decent pharmacare now
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Apparently he was also the only one to say yes
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But I still just, really want Rhino Max to become a folk tale
I want him mentioned in a Cracked article someday
The Quidditch playing NDP candidate came in second, though! With about 8%.
Extremely happy Bernier and the PPC ate shit.
God, I hope the Liberals and the NDP can work together and shove that pee right back up Conservative Calvin's dick.
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LPC got 33.05% of the vote and 157/338 MPs (46.45%)
CPC got 34.4% of the vote and 121 MPs (35.8%)
BQ got 7.7% and 32 (9.47%)
NDP got 15.91% and 24 (7.1%)
GP got 6.5% and 3 (0.89%)
Independents, globally, got 0.8% and 1 (0.3%)
PPC got 1.64% and 0 (0%, which is the one instance where FPTP got it right because that's what he is, a big fat zero).
So yeah, the order of influence is literally completely shuffled from what the popular vote should give us.
That's not...
Nationwide popular vote doesn't matter in a parliamentary system, regardless of the vote counting method.
Need some stuff designed or printed? I can help with that.
It could definitely be argued that a parliament made up of similar proportions to the popular vote reflects the democratic process more fairly, and that FPTP is in great part to blame for how divergent it is in this case.
Nationwide, NPD and Green voters will be very underrepresented in this government, and Liberals overrepresented. That's the problem.
if the government reflected the popular vote, Andrew Scheer would be Prime Minister
however, he would be Prime Minister of a very slim minority government and the NDP would have over twice as much weight in the opposition, and the Greens would then be granted the balance of power as well.
That's uh. That's not the fault of our voting system, which is pretty solid. That's because we're a bunch of regressive morons.
If we had fptp the conservatives would be far more entrenched. Look, I think there's a tendency to look at the US and UK and say oh these arseholes are only in charge because of shenanigans and therefore the populace isn't as fucking awful as it might appear, and then extrapolate to all countries, but Australia is actually a good example of why putting the right system in place won't magically fix cultural issues. I can say, with great confidence, that Australia pretty much always gets the government it wants. Yes, it's embarassing.
Also we don't do proportional representation, there seems to be some confusion about voting systems vs seat allocation. PR with this distribtion would, as noted, end up with the cons in charge. I don't know what single transferrable or ranked choice voting would look like in this scenario, really fucking hard to predict that, but my guess is a larger NDP share of seats but not otherwise much different. Maybe more Bloc seats too.