You wanna pizza my [movies] thread?
I've had Indiana Jones on the brain recently, and so this OP is going to be my Indiana Jones hot take:
Temple of Doom is worse than Kingdom of the Crystal Skull by a wide margin, even if I appreciate it taking some weird big swings
Conversely, Short Round should have returned as Indiana Jones' son, sorry Lebouf
Crystal Skull is Actually Pretty Good And People Are Jerks About It
In basically every way shape and form. The only part I enjoyed was Harrison Ford giving Lebouf the same look that Sean Connery gave when Indy destroyed the motorcycle nazi's in Last Crusade
God I love that movie
Then I checked before making the thread and this was here instead.
Temple of Doom barely adheres at all to the formula and tone of Raiders, which unfortunately included that it wasn't good, unlike Raiders
But if it had been good, I'd like to think we would have gotten a version of Last Crusade that wasn't afraid to rock the boat (note: I love Last Crusade, but it is a very safe movie), and I think that would have meant a less slavish approach to the Raiders status quo in general when it came to that franchise
Which part of the ending, exactly?
Is it Indy and Marion? Because yeah, and that's something that I think the sequels were at least honest about
Yeah, like I know the joke about that movie is that Indy kinda caused the problem in the first place and that if he hadn't gone there they'd never have found the arc and there'd have been no issue
But honestly I feel like it's kinda true? Indy really is sort of the instigating factor for the whole problem in that movie because he can't help himself, and that would be fine if it was investigated but instead he's rewarded for it because of... faith, I guess
one time a friend and I were metal detecting up in the Appalachian mountains when we came upon a super old and dilapidated ranger station. He walked in carefully and his foot instantly fell through the floor. Before I asked if he was ok or even thought of helping, I said "In the latin alphabet Jehova starts with an I"
he was fine and a mighty laugh was had by all
See, I disagree with this take (not the part about Indy being unable to help himself, that's just true in the text)
The Nazis hadn't found the Ark yet, but they would have
Indy accelerated that timetable, but then the rest of the movie is him forcing them into worse and worse positions, first by sabotaging the plane, then by stealing the truck
It's true that no matter what happened the Nazis would have opened the Ark and died, but I think in the version of that movie without Indiana Jones, the Nazis just track their sub or whatever to that island and grab it again
i mean i get it's literally a holy relic, but the deus ex machina ending with indy just being lucky? that he wasn't smote by god does not at all work and kinda makes the movie a lesser experience for me.
yo you seen never goin' back yet?
it's on amazon prime
it's dope as hell
I don't know if it's luck so much as "this faithless man has decided to take a leap of faith and believe"
I don't think the movie necessarily does a great job of selling that change in character, though
I don't hate Temple of Doom. There's some good stuff in it but it's definitely the worst of the series.
See I think it works because rather than it being like
His mentor who trained him and handed them down to him upon the completion of his training as part of his destiny
Or some sort of heavy handed shit like that
He saw a guy he thought was cool and just stole his style
I like that WAY more
I just don't get a lot of opportunities to discuss thirty year old movies, it turns out, and so it's nice to do that
He still gets the fear of snakes, using a whip, "it belongs in a museum", etc. Along the way
The fact that he totally ripped his look and smarmy attitude rules though
Indy is a giant dork
Like it's not going "Oh and here's where he got his hat, and here's where he got his whip" like it actually matters
It's going "You took the dog's name you idiot"
Top 10 scene transition for me
A whoooooole lot of Indiana Jones has Problems in that regard
Which is a bummer but they're decades old and as long as folks acknowledge those issues there's nothing wrong with enjoying them
It does but also at the time this is set and with Indy's upbringing he wouldn't have thought twice about it
Oh yeah, I've definitely reconciled my discomfort with them, I think Raiders is still my all-time favorite movie
But woof, I remember a time when "it belongs in a museum" was the most noble sentiment I'd ever heard
I wonder if it's possible to make one of these kinds of movies without it being inherently exploitative of someone
The fact that it is in the same film as the "If we're lucky he's already got the grail by now" transition is an incredible underlining for how well crafted Last Crusade is
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he's arguing for returning it to its proper context!
also it IS an artifact of a European colonizer, so we don't really ever get Indy's position on indigenous artifacts, but, professional standards of the times.... well. you know.
edit: and, I mean, his own actions with the idol in the first movie, sure. but Raiders presents him as a little more mercenary than he later becomes