Harmon voiced a lot of guys this season. And he voiced like two different guys in a row right away in this ep. It's kinda been standing out for me.
Also I found a bunch of the songs they used this season, I like them:
I've long thought it was funnier if the Beth with the family was the clone, but I think it might be even better if we don't find out which one is which.
I have to say though I don't really understand Rick's motivation in making the choice and then not retaining the memory, or mixing them up and deliberately forgetting who was who.
If Beth was going to stay, you wouldn't make a clone at all. If you made a clone it was because Beth was leaving, and if that was Rick's choice he chose to have his daughter leave.
Did he mix them up because he was going to choose to retain whoever wound up being cooler with him and kill the other? And he didn't want to know for sure if he was killing his daughter?
Rick did make the choice. twice. He told each Beth a different choice. That was the only way he could do what Beth wanted without really taking responsibilty.
God the episodes of this show that actually get serious with its characters and continuation go by so fucking fast. This episode felt like it was 5 minutes long. And they're *so* good. It's a tease though like "hahaha, okay. Here's one where we try. oh well seasons done, see you in a couple years."
All he had to say was that they were identical and it didn't matter which one was the clone. Because they are literally identical and it doesn't matter which is which.
Harmon voiced a lot of guys this season. And he voiced like two different guys in a row right away in this ep. It's kinda been standing out for me.
Also I found a bunch of the songs they used this season, I like them:
I've long thought it was funnier if the Beth with the family was the clone, but I think it might be even better if we don't find out which one is which.
I have to say though I don't really understand Rick's motivation in making the choice and then not retaining the memory, or mixing them up and deliberately forgetting who was who.
If Beth was going to stay, you wouldn't make a clone at all. If you made a clone it was because Beth was leaving, and if that was Rick's choice he chose to have his daughter leave.
Did he mix them up because he was going to choose to retain whoever wound up being cooler with him and kill the other? And he didn't want to know for sure if he was killing his daughter?
Rick did make the choice. twice. He told each Beth a different choice. That was the only way he could do what Beth wanted without really taking responsibilty.
It is solid proof that even Rick doesn't know what the fuck he wants.
He won. Beth was willing to do whatever he wanted to make him happy, he only had to tell her what. He couldn't even do that because he has no fucking clue what he wants. Instead he hid inside his brilliance and proved he didn't have to make a choice, he could do both! In doing both he denied her autonomy, even when her choice was to give up her autonomy! He was given complete control over her and he used that control to deny her the last choice she ever made.
Which one is the clone doesn't even matter at this point since if the clones that Rick makes are so perfect that even Rick can't tell them apart with any science at his disposal then they are perfect duplicates and thus neither is a clone.
Now he only tried to remember and hasn't actually done any tests so they can bring this back at a later episode if they wanted. Also Rick can just blurt out "My clones always end up ...[evil, disintegrating, exploding, turning blue]" right before it happens and get our answer that way.
His cloning tech was built for himself so you bet that Rick does not see himself as a clone for every time he died but just himself continuing to exist.
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Yeah, this was pretty great.
I liked that the show foundation way to force meaning on the clone question - it honestly doesn't matter which is which, and whether Rick sent one away or not is only superficially interesting. But him refusing to honor Beth's request is both poignant and more devastating than either conventional choice could've been, while somehow managing to elevate how shitty Rick is even further.
I also like shifting away from the status quo by having Rick house the respect of literally everyone. Nobody gives a shit about him right now, which is new territory for the show.
I kind of like how the show ignores continuity for 80% of its stories, but then actually makes those last 20% count.
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Maybe I misunderstood the situation, but I thought that Rick giving Beth the choice to do what she wanted while also sparing everyone the pain (or not) of that choice, was the decent thing to do?
Summer, Morty, and Jerry will never know if Beth deserted them and Beth(s) get to know that since they are identical, they obviously love their family enough to stay, but have enough of their father in them to want to go out and kill some fascist bugs.
I could also be wrong because it was kind of hard to follow
bomb in the necks? They both had one? Was it just so he could tell them the other was a clone? Was he really going to merge them?
And if it wasn’t a bomb or a merge then what was his end game when space Beth eventually decided to come home?
This was Jerry’s best episode
My personal guess is that the merge thing might have been true, but really the more important point was that it was something he did to both of them so he couldn't tell them apart.
Which is also what makes his act selfish. Not telling the Beths which was which would have been an act of kindness. But Beth specifically asked him to make the decision - it was a way of establishing that he cared about her enough to make a meaningful choice about her life. And he refused to do that for her.
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Also, spoiler your posts, folks, it's been out less than a day.
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Maybe I misunderstood the situation, but I thought that Rick giving Beth the choice to do what she wanted while also sparing everyone the pain (or not) of that choice, was the decent thing to do?
Summer, Morty, and Jerry will never know if Beth deserted them and Beth(s) get to know that since they are identical, they obviously love their family enough to stay, but have enough of their father in them to want to go out and kill some fascist bugs.
I could also be wrong because it was kind of hard to follow
The problem is not that Beth did not decide, it's that Rick did not.
His daughter relied on him for a hard decision, and he avoided responsibility. He did not just flip a coin, he forgot he flipped a coin; that's how much he did not want responsibility.
Kinda like he does not want to be responsible for helping fight against a government he considers evil. Or anything. He gave up.
Which is related to why Rick hates Jerry: they both want praise and people deferring to them, but they both don't want to earn it, or work for it.
The only difference is that Jerry's low-effort level involves people crashing into an invisible garbage truck because he could not figure out where gas goes, while Rick's involves using universes as batteries.
Rick's Jerry-hatred is just Rick's self-hatred.
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bomb in the necks? They both had one? Was it just so he could tell them the other was a clone? Was he really going to merge them?
And if it wasn’t a bomb or a merge then what was his end game when space Beth eventually decided to come home?
This was Jerry’s best episode
My personal guess is that the merge thing might have been true, but really the more important point was that it was something he did to both of them so he couldn't tell them apart.
Which is also what makes his act selfish. Not telling the Beths which was which would have been an act of kindness. But Beth specifically asked him to make the decision - it was a way of establishing that he cared about her enough to make a meaningful choice about her life. And he refused to do that for her.
I don't personally see it that way.
He was protecting himself. As much as he goes on about infinite realities and none of them actually mattering, if he sent his Beth out into the universe and she died, he would have to live with that, and he doesn't want her to die. It's one of his "irrational" attachments. By refusing to find out which was the clone and then wiping his memory on top of it, he insulated himself from having to feel responsible for her death, a choice she put on him because she didn't want to make the decision to leave. Why would it be Rick's responsibility to make her life decisions for her? Besides wasn't the initial offer for Beth go off to space and there be a clone living her life? All he did is refuse to know which was which and since he did not expect Space Beth to return, it did not matter anyway.
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Best joke for me was
“Jerry, do something!”
“Hey”
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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bomb in the necks? They both had one? Was it just so he could tell them the other was a clone? Was he really going to merge them?
And if it wasn’t a bomb or a merge then what was his end game when space Beth eventually decided to come home?
This was Jerry’s best episode
My personal guess is that the merge thing might have been true, but really the more important point was that it was something he did to both of them so he couldn't tell them apart.
Which is also what makes his act selfish. Not telling the Beths which was which would have been an act of kindness. But Beth specifically asked him to make the decision - it was a way of establishing that he cared about her enough to make a meaningful choice about her life. And he refused to do that for her.
I don't personally see it that way.
He was protecting himself. As much as he goes on about infinite realities and none of them actually mattering, if he sent his Beth out into the universe and she died, he would have to live with that, and he doesn't want her to die. It's one of his "irrational" attachments. By refusing to find out which was the clone and then wiping his memory on top of it, he insulated himself from having to feel responsible for her death, a choice she put on him because she didn't want to make the decision to leave. Why would it be Rick's responsibility to make her life decisions for her? Besides wasn't the initial offer for Beth go off to space and there be a clone living her life? All he did is refuse to know which was which and since he did not expect Space Beth to return, it did not matter anyway.
If he could verbalize what you just wrote, and did so, he'd be way less of an asshole.
If he refused to make the choice for Beth and told her so, then it is a completely different ball game. He didn't though. He let her think he made the choice while refusing to do so and going so far as to erase any memory of him being involved in the choice. When his daughter asked him to become pivotal to her life he ran away and hid. She trusted him and he betrayed that trust while ensuring he wouldn't remember he had done it and couldn't possibly start to repair that trust by fixing the situation.
He really starting to wonder if the show doesn't just turn into the entire not Rick cast just growing beyond him.
The core message, as far as there's one between the jokes, is that Rick is someone that must be exceeded. Reaching his level is not the end, it's not even the beginning.
Beth is beyond him: she want to have adventures and make the worlds better. Also, care about her familly.
Morty is beyond him: he saw the infinite universe where nothing is unique, and some things are Cronenberg, and he just kept going.
Same for Summer, to a lesser extend (mostly 'cause she's only occasionally involved.)
Even Jerry is, occasionally, learning and trying to better himself. He showed three new skills in the episode: saying "hey", puppetry and necro-puppetry.
bomb in the necks? They both had one? Was it just so he could tell them the other was a clone? Was he really going to merge them?
And if it wasn’t a bomb or a merge then what was his end game when space Beth eventually decided to come home?
This was Jerry’s best episode
My personal guess is that the merge thing might have been true, but really the more important point was that it was something he did to both of them so he couldn't tell them apart.
Which is also what makes his act selfish. Not telling the Beths which was which would have been an act of kindness. But Beth specifically asked him to make the decision - it was a way of establishing that he cared about her enough to make a meaningful choice about her life. And he refused to do that for her.
I don't personally see it that way.
He was protecting himself. As much as he goes on about infinite realities and none of them actually mattering, if he sent his Beth out into the universe and she died, he would have to live with that, and he doesn't want her to die. It's one of his "irrational" attachments. By refusing to find out which was the clone and then wiping his memory on top of it, he insulated himself from having to feel responsible for her death, a choice she put on him because she didn't want to make the decision to leave. Why would it be Rick's responsibility to make her life decisions for her? Besides wasn't the initial offer for Beth go off to space and there be a clone living her life? All he did is refuse to know which was which and since he did not expect Space Beth to return, it did not matter anyway.
If he could verbalize what you just wrote, and did so, he'd be way less of an asshole.
If he refused to make the choice for Beth and told her so, then it is a completely different ball game. He didn't though. He let her think he made the choice while refusing to do so and going so far as to erase any memory of him being involved in the choice. When his daughter asked him to become pivotal to her life he ran away and hid. She trusted him and he betrayed that trust while ensuring he wouldn't remember he had done it and couldn't possibly start to repair that trust by fixing the situation.
He really starting to wonder if the show doesn't just turn into the entire not Rick cast just growing beyond him.
Series Finale ends with Rick saying 'fuck it' and opening up his Time Travel Stuff box, travelling back in time to when they still needed and wanted him around (or at least tolerated their presence slightly more readily).
Presumably, some suitably depressing song is playing about never being able to move on, and the audience is left to wonder how many time Rick has done this while he drinks himself into a stupor watching time spin backwards outside of the time machine.
Post credit scene has drunk Rick busting into Morty's room, half empty bottle in hand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLAoI-wlAc
bomb in the necks? They both had one? Was it just so he could tell them the other was a clone? Was he really going to merge them?
And if it wasn’t a bomb or a merge then what was his end game when space Beth eventually decided to come home?
This was Jerry’s best episode
My personal guess is that the merge thing might have been true, but really the more important point was that it was something he did to both of them so he couldn't tell them apart.
Which is also what makes his act selfish. Not telling the Beths which was which would have been an act of kindness. But Beth specifically asked him to make the decision - it was a way of establishing that he cared about her enough to make a meaningful choice about her life. And he refused to do that for her.
I don't personally see it that way.
He was protecting himself. As much as he goes on about infinite realities and none of them actually mattering, if he sent his Beth out into the universe and she died, he would have to live with that, and he doesn't want her to die. It's one of his "irrational" attachments. By refusing to find out which was the clone and then wiping his memory on top of it, he insulated himself from having to feel responsible for her death, a choice she put on him because she didn't want to make the decision to leave. Why would it be Rick's responsibility to make her life decisions for her? Besides wasn't the initial offer for Beth go off to space and there be a clone living her life? All he did is refuse to know which was which and since he did not expect Space Beth to return, it did not matter anyway.
If he could verbalize what you just wrote, and did so, he'd be way less of an asshole.
If he refused to make the choice for Beth and told her so, then it is a completely different ball game. He didn't though. He let her think he made the choice while refusing to do so and going so far as to erase any memory of him being involved in the choice. When his daughter asked him to become pivotal to her life he ran away and hid. She trusted him and he betrayed that trust while ensuring he wouldn't remember he had done it and couldn't possibly start to repair that trust by fixing the situation.
He really starting to wonder if the show doesn't just turn into the entire not Rick cast just growing beyond him.
Series Finale ends with Rick saying 'fuck it' and opening up his Time Travel Stuff box, travelling back in time to when they still needed and wanted him around (or at least tolerated their presence slightly more readily).
Presumably, some suitably depressing song is playing about never being able to move on, and the audience is left to wonder how many time Rick has done this while he drinks himself into a stupor watching time spin backwards outside of the time machine.
Post credit scene has drunk Rick busting into Morty's room, half empty bottle in hand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLAoI-wlAc
Simpson’s Futurama already did it, the series finale was that. Like, damn near exactly.
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bomb in the necks? They both had one? Was it just so he could tell them the other was a clone? Was he really going to merge them?
And if it wasn’t a bomb or a merge then what was his end game when space Beth eventually decided to come home?
This was Jerry’s best episode
My personal guess is that the merge thing might have been true, but really the more important point was that it was something he did to both of them so he couldn't tell them apart.
Which is also what makes his act selfish. Not telling the Beths which was which would have been an act of kindness. But Beth specifically asked him to make the decision - it was a way of establishing that he cared about her enough to make a meaningful choice about her life. And he refused to do that for her.
I don't personally see it that way.
He was protecting himself. As much as he goes on about infinite realities and none of them actually mattering, if he sent his Beth out into the universe and she died, he would have to live with that, and he doesn't want her to die. It's one of his "irrational" attachments. By refusing to find out which was the clone and then wiping his memory on top of it, he insulated himself from having to feel responsible for her death, a choice she put on him because she didn't want to make the decision to leave. Why would it be Rick's responsibility to make her life decisions for her? Besides wasn't the initial offer for Beth go off to space and there be a clone living her life? All he did is refuse to know which was which and since he did not expect Space Beth to return, it did not matter anyway.
If he could verbalize what you just wrote, and did so, he'd be way less of an asshole.
If he refused to make the choice for Beth and told her so, then it is a completely different ball game. He didn't though. He let her think he made the choice while refusing to do so and going so far as to erase any memory of him being involved in the choice. When his daughter asked him to become pivotal to her life he ran away and hid. She trusted him and he betrayed that trust while ensuring he wouldn't remember he had done it and couldn't possibly start to repair that trust by fixing the situation.
He really starting to wonder if the show doesn't just turn into the entire not Rick cast just growing beyond him.
Series Finale ends with Rick saying 'fuck it' and opening up his Time Travel Stuff box, travelling back in time to when they still needed and wanted him around (or at least tolerated their presence slightly more readily).
Presumably, some suitably depressing song is playing about never being able to move on, and the audience is left to wonder how many time Rick has done this while he drinks himself into a stupor watching time spin backwards outside of the time machine.
Post credit scene has drunk Rick busting into Morty's room, half empty bottle in hand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLAoI-wlAc
Nah, final scene of the series is Rick remembering to pick up the Horn of Eld.
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I am surprised they brought back some narrative threads. I had kind of gotten the impression from the rest of the season that the crew behind the show, or at least the creative leads, were sick of doing that and wanted stuff to be loose and episodic from now on.
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I am surprised they brought back some narrative threads. I had kind of gotten the impression from the rest of the season that the crew behind the show, or at least the creative leads, were sick of doing that and wanted stuff to be loose and episodic from now on.
I find that odd because continuity is where this show shines
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I mean I don't entirely disagree but it felt like there was a very intentional choice this season to do less long-form continuity in favor of a more episodic structure. This episode excluded.
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I don't want to hear shit about Rick never losing.
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It is solid proof that even Rick doesn't know what the fuck he wants.
Then he chickened the fuck out of even that!
Now he only tried to remember and hasn't actually done any tests so they can bring this back at a later episode if they wanted. Also Rick can just blurt out "My clones always end up ...[evil, disintegrating, exploding, turning blue]" right before it happens and get our answer that way.
His cloning tech was built for himself so you bet that Rick does not see himself as a clone for every time he died but just himself continuing to exist.
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I also like shifting away from the status quo by having Rick house the respect of literally everyone. Nobody gives a shit about him right now, which is new territory for the show.
I kind of like how the show ignores continuity for 80% of its stories, but then actually makes those last 20% count.
Summer, Morty, and Jerry will never know if Beth deserted them and Beth(s) get to know that since they are identical, they obviously love their family enough to stay, but have enough of their father in them to want to go out and kill some fascist bugs.
I could also be wrong because it was kind of hard to follow
And if it wasn’t a bomb or a merge then what was his end game when space Beth eventually decided to come home?
This was Jerry’s best episode
Which is also what makes his act selfish. Not telling the Beths which was which would have been an act of kindness. But Beth specifically asked him to make the decision - it was a way of establishing that he cared about her enough to make a meaningful choice about her life. And he refused to do that for her.
His daughter relied on him for a hard decision, and he avoided responsibility. He did not just flip a coin, he forgot he flipped a coin; that's how much he did not want responsibility.
Kinda like he does not want to be responsible for helping fight against a government he considers evil. Or anything. He gave up.
Which is related to why Rick hates Jerry: they both want praise and people deferring to them, but they both don't want to earn it, or work for it.
The only difference is that Jerry's low-effort level involves people crashing into an invisible garbage truck because he could not figure out where gas goes, while Rick's involves using universes as batteries.
Rick's Jerry-hatred is just Rick's self-hatred.
I don't personally see it that way.
“Jerry, do something!”
“Hey”
If he could verbalize what you just wrote, and did so, he'd be way less of an asshole.
He really starting to wonder if the show doesn't just turn into the entire not Rick cast just growing beyond him.
Morty is beyond him: he saw the infinite universe where nothing is unique, and some things are Cronenberg, and he just kept going.
Same for Summer, to a lesser extend (mostly 'cause she's only occasionally involved.)
Even Jerry is, occasionally, learning and trying to better himself. He showed three new skills in the episode: saying "hey", puppetry and necro-puppetry.
Presumably, some suitably depressing song is playing about never being able to move on, and the audience is left to wonder how many time Rick has done this while he drinks himself into a stupor watching time spin backwards outside of the time machine.
Post credit scene has drunk Rick busting into Morty's room, half empty bottle in hand.
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I wish we lived in the fascist shrimp universe so you could be fed to a whale for this joke.
Simpson’s Futurama already did it, the series finale was that. Like, damn near exactly.
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Nah, final scene of the series is Rick remembering to pick up the Horn of Eld.
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Great episode, yay for continuity (in small doses)!
I find that odd because continuity is where this show shines
Or did we.
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That was a very good episode.
I may have missed an episode