I think those kinds of remakes are misdiagnosing the problem
The Ben Kenobi/Darth Vader fight isn't bad because it's not flashy enough
It's bad because it doesn't really capture the thing Lucas was going for, which was Kurosawa samurai fights
But imo that's still the right way to do it, as opposed to trying to remake it based on lightsaber fights that would come after
Ignoring either Yoda fight in the prequels (which we, as a society, should), the fight at the end of New Hope is the fight where the combatants have the most experience between them in all the movies, and I feel like if anything it should look more methodical, not less, like half the duel has already happened because it's already happened in their minds
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They are just normal appliances. It is just a marketing tie in. Like car commercials with star wars.
I think those kinds of remakes are misdiagnosing the problem
The Ben Kenobi/Darth Vader fight isn't bad because it's not flashy enough
It's bad because it doesn't really capture the thing Lucas was going for, which was Kurosawa samurai fights
But imo that's still the right way to do it, as opposed to trying to remake it based on lightsaber fights that would come after
Ignoring either Yoda fight in the prequels (which we, as a society, should), the fight at the end of New Hope is the fight where the combatants have the most experience between them in all the movies, and I feel like if anything it should look more methodical, not less, like half the duel has already happened because it's already happened in their minds
I think the Kenobi/Maul fight in Rebels is much closer, although probably a bit more abrupt than Vader/Kenobi should have been
Less flashy but more having every single move have purpose and weight behind it
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Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
the obi-wan/maul rematch is better than every fight scene in either the OT or the prequels
Folks I just did a whole Star Warsy makeover of my whole phone
I've got it bad this year
as long as you don't buy the fucking light and dark side GE refrigerators they're making
If I did it would be the first time I ever went dark side on anything, but that's only because slate is bad and black stainless steel rocks
6 years ago if someone told me they had a full set of cosplay stormtrooper armor I'd have though it was neat and now I absolutely think they are a proudboy
Folks I just did a whole Star Warsy makeover of my whole phone
I've got it bad this year
as long as you don't buy the fucking light and dark side GE refrigerators they're making
If I did it would be the first time I ever went dark side on anything, but that's only because slate is bad and black stainless steel rocks
6 years ago if someone told me they had a full set of cosplay stormtrooper armor I'd have though it was neat and now I absolutely think they are a proudboy
Right! Like, 6 years ago (or whenever Star Wars Battlefront 2 came out) I thought "wow, the 501st is neat, I should join that!"
And now while I still think the 501st folks are probably totally fine, I just couldn't bring myself to put together a storm trooper costume
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Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
these days whenever someone defaults to picking dark side in star wars games where that is an option....well, I wouldn't say it makes me think they're a Nazi, but it does make me narrow my eyes a bit and start asking certain questions about that possibility
Can we talk for a second how fucked up it is that "Do you want to be a good guy or a space fascist" is a marketing thing
Because I feel like there's only more and more of that in the last few years, and I hate it
Pretending to be a cartoon bad guy is not remotely the same as saying "I think fascism is a good system".
They're called stormtroopers, I'm not exactly reaching here
It's not the fault of anyone playing a game or cosplaying or whatever that society is where it's at, but it's also not my fault for looking at someone with an Empire bumper sticker or whatever and having a bad feeling about it
Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
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I've never been a fan of that style of animation but those shows are clearly made by people who love Star Wars and want to do right by it, and that counts for a lot
I wouldn't be shocked to find out that scene was directed by someone who'd been thinking about how to do a rematch between those two characters for years
these days whenever someone defaults to picking dark side in star wars games where that is an option....well, I wouldn't say it makes me think they're a Nazi, but it does make me narrow my eyes a bit and start asking certain questions about that possibility
I'm not for fascism, I'm for frying guys with lightning (and maybe a little light force choking).
When I can do that from the light side, let me know.
Also storm troopers look rad and no one wants to be dumb rebel Nien Numb with his gross-ass fish face sorry.
It's just marketing, get with it Resistance.
(Yeah I know space-racial profiling is totally a space-fascist thing but look he's really gross looking and I don't want him on my team my jackboot is down on this.)
these days whenever someone defaults to picking dark side in star wars games where that is an option....well, I wouldn't say it makes me think they're a Nazi, but it does make me narrow my eyes a bit and start asking certain questions about that possibility
I'm not for fascism, I'm for frying guys with lightning (and maybe a little light force choking).
When I can do that from the light side, let me know.
Also storm troopers look rad and no one wants to be dumb rebel Nien Numb with his gross-ass fish face sorry.
It's just marketing, get with it Resistance.
(Yeah I know space-racial profiling is totally a space-fascist thing but look he's really gross looking and I don't want him on my team my jackboot is down on this.)
Nien Nunb is a hero, how dare you
Also Rebel shit has always looked cooler than Imperial shit, even before I felt squicky about the latter
Also storm troopers look rad and no one wants to be dumb rebel Nien Numb with his gross-ass fish face sorry.
It's just marketing, get with it Resistance.
(Yeah I know space-racial profiling is totally a space-fascist thing but look he's really gross looking and I don't want him on my team my jackboot is down on this.)
Nien Nunb is a hero, how dare you
Also Rebel shit has always looked cooler than Imperial shit, even before I felt squicky about the latter
Wait, no, Star Destroyers are the cooler capital ships
the two things I like in that video is the idea of a lightsaber fight happening in close quarters so they're just slicing up the hallway when they cross swords, and it being a little bit longer so you show ben really struggling and getting worn down instead of just deciding to die. but that's too long and too cgi goopy otherwise
Venator Class Star Destroyers are pretty cool and have a wicked name, and are technically not Emperial. Too bad the Rebels couldn't get their hands on a couple of those bad boys.
the two things I like in that video is the idea of a lightsaber fight happening in close quarters so they're just slicing up the hallway when they cross swords, and it being a little bit longer so you show ben really struggling and getting worn down instead of just deciding to die. but that's too long and too cgi goopy otherwise
I haven't bothered to watch the video but you arnt selling it. Depicting Obi-wan getting tired and worn down feels like the exact opposite intent of the original.
Venator Class Star Destroyers are pretty cool and have a wicked name, and are technically not Emperial. Too bad the Rebels couldn't get their hands on a couple of those bad boys.
It's important to remember that that Ben/Vader fight was done by an independent group of folks with maybe a shoestring budget so they get mad props for what they pulled off. I'm not a particular fan of it from a stylistic approach but credit where credit is due.
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Most of the dark side stuff in the games just doesn't have a whole lot of interesting things to say
I liked the Imperial Agent stuff in TOR, in part because so much of it was "We're the people trying to keep a government that is ostensibly ruled over by a cabal of cartoon villains running in spite of them."
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as long as you don't buy the fucking light and dark side GE refrigerators they're making
Why do you do this to me? I didn't need to know that this exists.
also washer/dryer combos
The Ben Kenobi/Darth Vader fight isn't bad because it's not flashy enough
It's bad because it doesn't really capture the thing Lucas was going for, which was Kurosawa samurai fights
But imo that's still the right way to do it, as opposed to trying to remake it based on lightsaber fights that would come after
Ignoring either Yoda fight in the prequels (which we, as a society, should), the fight at the end of New Hope is the fight where the combatants have the most experience between them in all the movies, and I feel like if anything it should look more methodical, not less, like half the duel has already happened because it's already happened in their minds
If I did it would be the first time I ever went dark side on anything, but that's only because slate is bad and black stainless steel rocks
Because I feel like there's only more and more of that in the last few years, and I hate it
Less flashy but more having every single move have purpose and weight behind it
6 years ago if someone told me they had a full set of cosplay stormtrooper armor I'd have though it was neat and now I absolutely think they are a proudboy
But to be fair, part of the reason it works so well is because it contains very deliberate call-backs to prequel fights.
Pretending to be a cartoon bad guy is not remotely the same as saying "I think fascism is a good system".
Right! Like, 6 years ago (or whenever Star Wars Battlefront 2 came out) I thought "wow, the 501st is neat, I should join that!"
And now while I still think the 501st folks are probably totally fine, I just couldn't bring myself to put together a storm trooper costume
They're called stormtroopers, I'm not exactly reaching here
It's not the fault of anyone playing a game or cosplaying or whatever that society is where it's at, but it's also not my fault for looking at someone with an Empire bumper sticker or whatever and having a bad feeling about it
pretending to be a literal space fascist specifically modelled on nazis is not a nothing choice
I just watched this out of curiosity
God I cannot stand how Rebels looks, BUT, the staging of the fight is very well done
I wouldn't be shocked to find out that scene was directed by someone who'd been thinking about how to do a rematch between those two characters for years
I'm not for fascism, I'm for frying guys with lightning (and maybe a little light force choking).
When I can do that from the light side, let me know.
but i'm also having fun imagining the evil fridge slowly, tantalizingly swinging open on its own as you pass by in the middle of the night
It's just marketing, get with it Resistance.
(Yeah I know space-racial profiling is totally a space-fascist thing but look he's really gross looking and I don't want him on my team my jackboot is down on this.)
This is why the Jedi Knight games are good
No rules just right Kyle Katarn
I do hear Palpatine's voice in my head whenever I almost eat an entire thing of little pepperonis
"do it," he says
Nien Nunb is a hero, how dare you
Also Rebel shit has always looked cooler than Imperial shit, even before I felt squicky about the latter
"Dew it"
Wait, no, Star Destroyers are the cooler capital ships
Rebels have the cooler fighters though, easily
It definitely can be, yeah.
this stuff really bothers me, yeah.
I haven't bothered to watch the video but you arnt selling it. Depicting Obi-wan getting tired and worn down feels like the exact opposite intent of the original.
I disagree
In Alphabet Squadron, Hera is commanding one.
I liked the Imperial Agent stuff in TOR, in part because so much of it was "We're the people trying to keep a government that is ostensibly ruled over by a cabal of cartoon villains running in spite of them."
Every time a Sith entered the picture you could basically hear every agent in the room sigh and roll their eyes