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But I think we all knew the answer in our hearts.
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You don't really go out seeking the Dark Side; people who do that are buffoons who just care about the aesthetic. Instead you approach the Force in a way that lines up with how you approach everything else in your life, and it turns out—sometimes—that you're a huge asshole who's so stubborn that your hate will hold your body together after you've been ripped to shreds by the tidal forces of a planet's death throes
There is a common theory that the whole "Darth Plaguis" thing was just Palpatine being full of shit and talking about himself.
The Sith Lords in KOTOR 2 are legitimately terrifying. They are the epitome of the dark side as a cancer. It's not "natural" it's anti-life. Sion's better off dead, but pain is all he knows. Nihilus will consume all life if left unchecked, and then starve himself. Traya betrayed everything she ever stood for, and achieves nothing in the end.
It's no longer canon, but Plagueis did get a novel. He was a Muun.
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It's one I personally ascribe to.
Darth Plagueis is the 'So many people are saying that the Dark Side of the Force is stronger. The best people.'
Here are some incidents that show how evil is self defeating and unsatisfying on a base level, for the Sith.
-Bane gets the most powerful armor in the galaxy. It's lightsaber proof! That's amazing! Oh but wait... it's actually horrible Mummy-esque alien scarab beetles that are constantly just leeching off your Force power which HURTS YOU. All the time! So you're invincible but they're eating your Force powers all the time, and so you're in a large amount of physical and spiritual pain, and your ability to use the Force for any purpose is much lower than you're used to, and you CAN'T take it off. Go Team Sith! Bane has to go chase down a new source of power to basically do surgery on himself to remove the previous source of ultimate power.
- Bane is disgusted by the in-fighting among the army of the Sith. Because betraying weaker Sith and robbing them or whatever is on brand for the Sith lifestyle, they can't really forbid it. However, it completely screws up their wars against the Jedi when they keep stabbing each other in the back at crucial moments instead of using teamwork to crush the Jedi. So Bane decides, I'll just use a trap to kill ALL the Sith in the army (and a bunch of Jedi too, why not), then I'll start the Rule of Two. The premise being that the Master and Apprentice will do plenty of soft betrayals and cruelties as they go, but maintain their campaigns against the Jedi and galaxy without any interruptions or major failures. But uh... the Apprentice can't be satisfied as a loyal #2 and become a "True Sith" at the height of their powers and ambitions. Likewise, the Master won't EVER be happy stepping down or being defeated. So the step where the Master is killed off and the Apprentice becomes the Master and trains a new Apprentice can NEVER really cleanly happen. The flaws are inherent to how shitty their philosophy is.
In short, the Sith have crazy powerful skills... that kill them and make them too crazy to be as effective as they could be in theory.
The only thing I want from Disney controlling the canon is to exercise the restraint not to have to explain every single goddamn character and camera angle in the movies.
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The Dark Side makes you ugly because it destroys your physical body. It is poison and it starts to kill you when you use it. Meanwhile, the Light Side lets you live a long time and then die a graceful death when it's your time. This is not about pretty people vs ugly people, it's about natural and unnatural.
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Make that a Poe Dameron Comms Conversation
At least Kreia calls you out on how stupid you look and why you seem so self-satisfied with the idea that your body should reflect what you assume of the state of your mind, which is definitely not true of her, the most radically diabolical Sith Lord in the old canon
and the films thankfully don't produce this problem, it's entirely an EU read. the films produce a system where what defines the dark side of the force is intent. the light side is about living in harmony with the world. obi-wan passes into what we perceive as a spiritual realm because he simply accepts that he is more than his mortal body, he is a part of the force and the world around him and he is explicitly called more powerful because of this, more powerful because of his forsaking of these earthly trappings. the force has more eastern mythology in it than just clean/unclean. the meaningful depictions of the light side of the force in the films are those where you seek to move in harmony with the world, and the dark side is when you seek to bend the world for you. the force push and the force choke are the same thing. when you are gently moving rocks out of your way - not destroying them, just gently moving them to another part of nature so you can pass through, perhaps even returning them to the same place - you are acting in accord with the light side. when you are actively harming another being, when you are choking them from across the room, you are acting in accord with the dark side. the most iconic dark side power is force lightning, the active creation of energy into the world for your own gain. the fact that it is primarily used to harm someone is merely an extension of the internal selfishness that is likely to arise from the arrogance you have to have in order to believe you have the right to just create energy from nothing into the world like that.
this is why the battle within oneself for the light side and the dark side is an eternal struggle of self-control, not a skill tree you put points on. to be part of the dark side of the force is to use the force, to use the world, for your own gain. to be part of the light side is to live alongside it.
And in spite of that evil, in spite of how rancid her point of view is (and it's almost undercut by her Old Person Racism, which is so mundane as to make her seem much more like a real person), she still has the most fundamentally compelling view of the Force in Star Wars
I love the idea that she views the Light Side and the Dark Side as two sides of a destructive, hateful coin; one side that refuses to use the power at its command to better the world, and the other that does use its power for short-sighted personal gain that only brings destruction. She sees the Force not as a binary concept but as a function of the people who use it. Except in the cases where she stops and considers the sky and reflects that it's possible that the Force has a plan, has a will to which all other actors must bend, "I wield it, but it uses us all, and that is abhorrent to me."
Mmm! Mm. Good shit.
Also we just watched ep 3 of the Mandalorian, that shit was allll right
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I don't agree with Kreia's conclusions, but the thought that went into writing such a complete rational is why I don't think we'll ever see the RPG likes of KOTOR 2 again. Which kind of makes me sad.
The small, human part of Kreia still would like salvation and recognizes the importance of choosing sides, but her pride and bitterness prevents that. Kreia also hates it if you DON'T pick a light or dark side.
I think probably its a good idea, but hard to write for.
Especially since it seems like all of them so far were pre purge Jedi.
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Like, the dark side is about passion. Its driven by a sort of innate humanity. Allowing yourself to feel human emotions like love and anger and fear and kind of accepting that those are parts of you and you can use them to your advantage. Where as the light side is more about recognizing the limitations of those emotions and allowing yourself to set them aside when needs be.
The problem is when one side decides that anger and passion and hate are the means to absolute power and one side decides that the only way to truly master the force and reach a sort of enlightenment is to completely remove all emotion and love and attachment from your life. Like, ideally you'd walk a line right down the middle occassionally dipping into the dark side or the light side but never so much as you'd lose sight of the other.
Holy goddamned shit this is why I am single I'm fuckin pontificating on the philosophy of space wizards
You sound like a potentium heretic
George Lucas was ALWAYS extremely insistent that the Dark Side was very bad. Most noticeable when the New Jedi Order book "Traitor" suggested this theory (that some kind of balance would be good actually) and George Lucas Word of God'd the EU so hard that in short succession:
-the character who gave that TED Talk was revealed as a completely evil Sith Lord
and
-the character who listened to that presentation swerved into a Sith Lord ditch
See also the comic book series Legacy which had Luke's descendant who had lost faith in the Light side and actually used the Dark side for healing, which led to a more complicated discussion of the two sides... until the Dark side completely fails him and he has to rely on true love and the pure Light side to successfully heal the woman he loves.
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One of them has never seen any Star Wars anything before and is only aware of the franchise through general osmosis
She really liked it and said she found it pretty easy to follow, although she did get a little confused and thought Baby Yoda was actually Yoda
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