Only thing being reported is no Iraqi casualties (confirmed by Iraq), and unofficial no US casualties that haven't been given any attribution beyond "sources say."
Only thing being reported is no Iraqi casualties (confirmed by Iraq), and unofficial no US casualties that haven't been given any attribution beyond "sources say."
Assuming that holds, then what are we even doing? No one died. Who cares about the fucking runway?
Iran obviously calculated this to an absolute minimum response.
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TetraNitroCubaneThe DjinneratorAt the bottom of a bottleRegistered Userregular
Regardless it’s definitely the opposite of a good thing that he was assassinated by the US while in Iraq for seemingly good faith negotiations requested by the US
Also other people were killed by that drone, too
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daveNYCWhy universe hate Waspinator?Registered Userregular
The US and Israel will likely launch cyber attacks to try to delay the program, with varying degrees of success
At the stage in which Israel gets intel that Iran is about to go nuclear, they may step up to kinetic attacks. This will likely be a significant flashpoint and potentially a source of an air war between Iran and Israel, which the US will back, I think. Air strikes on Iranian military facilities will then occur.
The question then is whether Iran capitulates in some way or attempts to close the Gulf.
The last time I read any analysis of Israel hitting Iran and between the distance, suppression of air defenses, and the number of hardened targets that would need to be hit multiple times, it would require basically their entire air force and even then it wouldn't be an easy job. There's a reason that the Israeli government has been pushing for a lets you and him fight between the USA and Iran.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
Only thing being reported is no Iraqi casualties (confirmed by Iraq), and unofficial no US casualties that haven't been given any attribution beyond "sources say."
Assuming that holds, then what are we even doing? No one died. Who cares about the fucking runway?
Iran obviously calculated this to an absolute minimum response.
We are waiting to see if the Toddler in Chief can manage to go one day without cocking everything up.
"I will write your name in the ruin of them. I will paint you across history in the color of their blood."
Only thing being reported is no Iraqi casualties (confirmed by Iraq), and unofficial no US casualties that haven't been given any attribution beyond "sources say."
Assuming that holds, then what are we even doing? No one died. Who cares about the fucking runway?
Iran obviously calculated this to an absolute minimum response.
Fox and Friends repeated this point about 12 times this morning, apparently. "We won because none of our guys died and their did, no need for more war!" Repeat repeat repeat.
So even the Fox engine is anti war right now.
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TetraNitroCubaneThe DjinneratorAt the bottom of a bottleRegistered Userregular
Never heard of Soleimani before he got blown to pieces, but ultimately it’s a good thing he is gone?
IMHO yes.
Depending on the validity of the assertion he was in the process of orchestrating an immediate attack it may have even been legal.
However it still may have been a terrible idea that almost (and still could) make a decades long proxy war go full-on hot.
There has been positively no evidence produced that Soleimani was in the process of planning these attacks. This is pure fiction fed to the media by the White House.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
Ok someone just dropped off the speech notes. We're probably getting started soon.
Only thing being reported is no Iraqi casualties (confirmed by Iraq), and unofficial no US casualties that haven't been given any attribution beyond "sources say."
Assuming that holds, then what are we even doing? No one died. Who cares about the fucking runway?
Iran obviously calculated this to an absolute minimum response.
Fox and Friends repeated this point about 12 times this morning, apparently. "We won because none of our guys died and their did, no need for more war!" Repeat repeat repeat.
So even the Fox engine is anti war right now.
I mean we lost because Iran is restarting their nuclear program fully, we're getting kicked out of Iraq, and the gloves are likely off in the region, but yeah, sure in the context of the last ... three days I guess it's a win
Never heard of Soleimani before he got blown to pieces, but ultimately it’s a good thing he is gone?
Unless revenge is virtuous for its own sake, no, it really doesn't matter.
He wasn't uniquely talented or connected. His successor has been a deputy for a decade and will have no problem taking charge, likely continuing the same sort of operations based on the same information gathering capacity with the same operational effectiveness, advancing the same national causes.
I am, he hasn't come out yet. We're only 8 minutes late so it will probably be a bit still. He's always 10-15 late at least.
~20 minutes now.
He probably thinks waiting 25 minutes is a power move, but it just makes the whole administration look like they're rushed and working on the speech at the last minute in a panicked fashion.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
Never heard of Soleimani before he got blown to pieces, but ultimately it’s a good thing he is gone?
IMHO yes.
Depending on the validity of the assertion he was in the process of orchestrating an immediate attack it may have even been legal.
However it still may have been a terrible idea that almost (and still could) make a decades long proxy war go full-on hot.
There has been positively no evidence produced that Soleimani was in the process of planning these attacks. This is pure fiction fed to the media by the White House.
Just doesn’t seem like a big deal though. The guy was a killer and he’s dead. Who is going to defend that? If we don’t erupt immediately into war, this will be quickly forgotten.
Never heard of Soleimani before he got blown to pieces, but ultimately it’s a good thing he is gone?
Unless revenge is virtuous for its own sake, no, it really doesn't matter.
He wasn't uniquely talented or connected. His successor has been a deputy for a decade and will have no problem taking charge, likely continuing the same sort of operations based on the same information gathering capacity with the same operational effectiveness, advancing the same national causes.
Yeah if the lead general was making plans for an attack against a country, those don't just evaporate if he dies. If anything, it makes the people around him even more confident that those plans need to happen.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
Trump has arrived. Speech beginning.
Swearing that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon.
Never heard of Soleimani before he got blown to pieces, but ultimately it’s a good thing he is gone?
IMHO yes.
Depending on the validity of the assertion he was in the process of orchestrating an immediate attack it may have even been legal.
However it still may have been a terrible idea that almost (and still could) make a decades long proxy war go full-on hot.
There has been positively no evidence produced that Soleimani was in the process of planning these attacks. This is pure fiction fed to the media by the White House.
Just doesn’t seem like a big deal though. The guy was a killer and he’s dead. Who is going to defend that? If we don’t erupt immediately into war, this will be quickly forgotten.
A bit "if" there.
And to the Iranians he was apparently a big war hero. They aren't going to forget this any time soon.
Never heard of Soleimani before he got blown to pieces, but ultimately it’s a good thing he is gone?
IMHO yes.
Depending on the validity of the assertion he was in the process of orchestrating an immediate attack it may have even been legal.
However it still may have been a terrible idea that almost (and still could) make a decades long proxy war go full-on hot.
There has been positively no evidence produced that Soleimani was in the process of planning these attacks. This is pure fiction fed to the media by the White House.
Just doesn’t seem like a big deal though. The guy was a killer and he’s dead. Who is going to defend that? If we don’t erupt immediately into war, this will be quickly forgotten.
Do you know how many American generals are killers
Now he's making what appear to be the freaking joint chiefs and Pence wait for him to come out. This isn't prime time TV, Mr. President.
To him, it feels like a power move. Make 'em wait. To us, it feels like he's probably in the back there hyperventilating with panic.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
Trump:
No Americans were harmed last night. No casualties. Minimal damage to our bases.
Iran appears to be standing down, which is good for us and the world.
Salutes US soldiers and such.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
Trump:
Iran is leading sponsor of terrorism, threatens civilized world.
Calls Soleimani the world's top terrorist. Credits it as being the best thing to happen since 1979.
Credits Soleimani as personally responsible for attacks on US personnel, planting road bombs, etc. Claims he is behind the recent raid on the US embassy.
This doesn't sound like we're about to dive headfirst into war, but he also opened with "Iran will never have nuclear weapons" before he even said good morning.
"We have sent a powerful message to terrorists. If you value your own life, you will not threaten the lives of our people."
Does...does he not realize that a lot of terrorists don't value their own lives?
This seems like Trump was forced into this. This is Trump standing down and not escalating, which completely goes against his first instincts. I wonder if the executive staff (like the VP, etc.) said something
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Metzger MeisterIt Gets Worsebefore it gets any better.Registered Userregular
Never heard of Soleimani before he got blown to pieces, but ultimately it’s a good thing he is gone?
IMHO yes.
Depending on the validity of the assertion he was in the process of orchestrating an immediate attack it may have even been legal.
However it still may have been a terrible idea that almost (and still could) make a decades long proxy war go full-on hot.
There has been positively no evidence produced that Soleimani was in the process of planning these attacks. This is pure fiction fed to the media by the White House.
Just doesn’t seem like a big deal though. The guy was a killer and he’s dead. Who is going to defend that? If we don’t erupt immediately into war, this will be quickly forgotten.
So you don't consider the assassination of a foreign government official, one that was likely in Iraq for purely diplomatic purposes, to be a big deal?
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jmcdonaldI voted, did you?DC(ish)Registered Userregular
This seems like Trump was forced into this. This is Trump standing down and not escalating, which completely goes against his first instincts. I wonder if the executive staff (like the VP, etc.) said something
25th amendment
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
Tump:
US is evaluating options, placing powerful sanctions immediately.
Calls the nuclear deal foolish, harps on those old talking points.
Claims that Iran's terror actions in Yemen and Syria was funded from the deal, and claims the missiles fired were made possible by the funds from the nuclear deal from Obama's adminsitration.
Never heard of Soleimani before he got blown to pieces, but ultimately it’s a good thing he is gone?
IMHO yes.
Depending on the validity of the assertion he was in the process of orchestrating an immediate attack it may have even been legal.
However it still may have been a terrible idea that almost (and still could) make a decades long proxy war go full-on hot.
There has been positively no evidence produced that Soleimani was in the process of planning these attacks. This is pure fiction fed to the media by the White House.
Just doesn’t seem like a big deal though. The guy was a killer and he’s dead. Who is going to defend that? If we don’t erupt immediately into war, this will be quickly forgotten.
You might want to question how much of the info on Soleimani is propaganda...like everything Trump is saying about him now is exaggerated to the max as Trump is trying to make this his Bin Laden moment (again)
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Again, it's like they did everything they could to minimize damage and give a token response!
... Is anyone actually tuning into Trump's statement? I cannot look at that man right now.
None so far. Iran warned Iraq, who warned the US, so everyone had time to prepare and hunker down.
Only thing being reported is no Iraqi casualties (confirmed by Iraq), and unofficial no US casualties that haven't been given any attribution beyond "sources say."
'KSA' seems like the ideal abbreviation, distinct and Google will immediately tell you the K stands for 'Kingdom' if you couldn't infer from context.
Thus concludes the KSA edition of my TLA PSA series.
Assuming that holds, then what are we even doing? No one died. Who cares about the fucking runway?
Iran obviously calculated this to an absolute minimum response.
I wouldn't call an extralegal murder that has put us on the brink of a potentially multinational war a "good thing".
~20 minutes now.
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Also other people were killed by that drone, too
The last time I read any analysis of Israel hitting Iran and between the distance, suppression of air defenses, and the number of hardened targets that would need to be hit multiple times, it would require basically their entire air force and even then it wouldn't be an easy job. There's a reason that the Israeli government has been pushing for a lets you and him fight between the USA and Iran.
IMHO yes.
Depending on the validity of the assertion he was in the process of orchestrating an immediate attack it may have even been legal.
However it still may have been a terrible idea that almost (and still could) make a decades long proxy war go full-on hot.
We are waiting to see if the Toddler in Chief can manage to go one day without cocking everything up.
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Fox and Friends repeated this point about 12 times this morning, apparently. "We won because none of our guys died and their did, no need for more war!" Repeat repeat repeat.
So even the Fox engine is anti war right now.
There has been positively no evidence produced that Soleimani was in the process of planning these attacks. This is pure fiction fed to the media by the White House.
I mean we lost because Iran is restarting their nuclear program fully, we're getting kicked out of Iraq, and the gloves are likely off in the region, but yeah, sure in the context of the last ... three days I guess it's a win
Unless revenge is virtuous for its own sake, no, it really doesn't matter.
He wasn't uniquely talented or connected. His successor has been a deputy for a decade and will have no problem taking charge, likely continuing the same sort of operations based on the same information gathering capacity with the same operational effectiveness, advancing the same national causes.
He probably thinks waiting 25 minutes is a power move, but it just makes the whole administration look like they're rushed and working on the speech at the last minute in a panicked fashion.
Just doesn’t seem like a big deal though. The guy was a killer and he’s dead. Who is going to defend that? If we don’t erupt immediately into war, this will be quickly forgotten.
Yeah if the lead general was making plans for an attack against a country, those don't just evaporate if he dies. If anything, it makes the people around him even more confident that those plans need to happen.
Swearing that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon.
A bit "if" there.
And to the Iranians he was apparently a big war hero. They aren't going to forget this any time soon.
Do you know how many American generals are killers
To him, it feels like a power move. Make 'em wait. To us, it feels like he's probably in the back there hyperventilating with panic.
No Americans were harmed last night. No casualties. Minimal damage to our bases.
Iran appears to be standing down, which is good for us and the world.
Salutes US soldiers and such.
Iran is leading sponsor of terrorism, threatens civilized world.
Calls Soleimani the world's top terrorist. Credits it as being the best thing to happen since 1979.
Credits Soleimani as personally responsible for attacks on US personnel, planting road bombs, etc. Claims he is behind the recent raid on the US embassy.
"We have sent a powerful message to terrorists. If you value your own life, you will not threaten the lives of our people."
Does...does he not realize that a lot of terrorists don't value their own lives?
So you don't consider the assassination of a foreign government official, one that was likely in Iraq for purely diplomatic purposes, to be a big deal?
25th amendment
US is evaluating options, placing powerful sanctions immediately.
Calls the nuclear deal foolish, harps on those old talking points.
Claims that Iran's terror actions in Yemen and Syria was funded from the deal, and claims the missiles fired were made possible by the funds from the nuclear deal from Obama's adminsitration.
You might want to question how much of the info on Soleimani is propaganda...like everything Trump is saying about him now is exaggerated to the max as Trump is trying to make this his Bin Laden moment (again)