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[US Foreign Policy] Peace For Sale

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    At this point I definitely think they've won the award for most corrupt US administration in history.

    At this point?

    I figured that benchmark was passed at least three years ago.

    Some of the older admins are *really corrupt*

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    At this point I definitely think they've won the award for most corrupt US administration in history.

    At this point?

    I figured that benchmark was passed at least three years ago.

    Some of the older admins are *really corrupt*

    I get that. That's why I didn't say "since the inauguration".

    I remember there being quite a lot of corruption allegations early on, which have kinda become quaint now. Heck, if it wasn't expressly China, I doubt the Ross news makes headlines. Maybe a Middle East country or Russia. But if it'd been an EU or most Pacific adjacent nations, I doubt it. Corruption in and of itself isn't news anymore.

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    edited October 2020
    MorganV wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    At this point I definitely think they've won the award for most corrupt US administration in history.

    At this point?

    I figured that benchmark was passed at least three years ago.

    Harding's group of playboys did some outlandish shit. Teapot Dome gets the press, but its small potatoes compared to some of the quid pro quo going on between Warren and seemingly the entire state of Ohio.

    Only thing that stopped the gravy train was him dieing before finishing his first term.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    At this point I definitely think they've won the award for most corrupt US administration in history.

    At this point?

    I figured that benchmark was passed at least three years ago.

    Harding's group of playboys did some outlandish shit. Teapot Dome gets the press, but its small potatoes compared to some of the quid pro quo going on between Warren and seemingly the entire state of Ohio.

    Only thing that stopped the gravy train was him dieing before finishing his first term.

    Yeah, Harding is still the bar to top for corruption. Same with Buchanan still being the bar for the worst. Trump is definitely gunning for it though.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    At this point I definitely think they've won the award for most corrupt US administration in history.

    At this point?

    I figured that benchmark was passed at least three years ago.

    Harding's group of playboys did some outlandish shit. Teapot Dome gets the press, but its small potatoes compared to some of the quid pro quo going on between Warren and seemingly the entire state of Ohio.

    Only thing that stopped the gravy train was him dieing before finishing his first term.

    Yeah, Harding is still the bar to top for corruption. Same with Buchanan still being the bar for the worst. Trump is definitely gunning for it though.

    I think as the facts slowly trickle in over the next few years/decades, we are gonna find the Trump admin was so much more corrupt then we even knew.

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    SchadenfreudeSchadenfreude Mean Mister Mustard Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    At this point I definitely think they've won the award for most corrupt US administration in history.

    At this point?

    I figured that benchmark was passed at least three years ago.

    Harding's group of playboys did some outlandish shit. Teapot Dome gets the press, but its small potatoes compared to some of the quid pro quo going on between Warren and seemingly the entire state of Ohio.

    Only thing that stopped the gravy train was him dieing before finishing his first term.

    Yeah, Harding is still the bar to top for corruption. Same with Buchanan still being the bar for the worst. Trump is definitely gunning for it though.

    I think as the facts slowly trickle in over the next few years/decades, we are gonna find the Trump admin was so much more corrupt then we even knew.

    I'm sure the only thing that's holding them back is their incompetence.

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    GyralGyral Registered User regular
    Ya know what? At this point, charge them all with treason and let them prove otherwise in court. So fed up with our government officials being more concerned with foreign interests than their own country.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    At this point I definitely think they've won the award for most corrupt US administration in history.

    At this point?

    I figured that benchmark was passed at least three years ago.

    Harding's group of playboys did some outlandish shit. Teapot Dome gets the press, but its small potatoes compared to some of the quid pro quo going on between Warren and seemingly the entire state of Ohio.

    Only thing that stopped the gravy train was him dieing before finishing his first term.

    Yeah, Harding is still the bar to top for corruption. Same with Buchanan still being the bar for the worst. Trump is definitely gunning for it though.

    I think as the facts slowly trickle in over the next few years/decades, we are gonna find the Trump admin was so much more corrupt then we even knew.

    After hearing about the size of Trump's war chest during the primaries and now seeing his campaign strapped for cash I fully believe he has been pocketing tens of millions of his contributions.

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Butters wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    At this point I definitely think they've won the award for most corrupt US administration in history.

    At this point?

    I figured that benchmark was passed at least three years ago.

    Harding's group of playboys did some outlandish shit. Teapot Dome gets the press, but its small potatoes compared to some of the quid pro quo going on between Warren and seemingly the entire state of Ohio.

    Only thing that stopped the gravy train was him dieing before finishing his first term.

    Yeah, Harding is still the bar to top for corruption. Same with Buchanan still being the bar for the worst. Trump is definitely gunning for it though.

    I think as the facts slowly trickle in over the next few years/decades, we are gonna find the Trump admin was so much more corrupt then we even knew.

    After hearing about the size of Trump's war chest during the primaries and now seeing his campaign strapped for cash I fully believe he has been pocketing tens of millions of his contributions.

    Not just him, the whole crew seem to be looting.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    They're gonna take all the doorknobs, faucets and light bulbs on the way out.

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    They're gonna take all the doorknobs, faucets and light bulbs on the way out.

    Perhaps they'll even top LBJ absconding with everything with the Presidential seal on it that wasn't nailed down. He even ganked some decorative wood paneling from Air Force One.

    No matter where you go...there you are.
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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    Well, shit may be about to get crazy:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russian-president-vladimir-putin-to-resign-amid-parkinsons-concerns-reports-claim/DVQAUV73ZNQRGT6RZWKG76XYOU/
    Reports coming out of the Kremlin suggest Vladimir Putin's 20-year-reign could be coming to an end.

    According to Kremlin watchers, the 68-year-old leader is set to step down at the start of 2021, over concerns he may have Parkinson's disease.

    I don't know how reliable the NZ Herald is but it seems legit? At least more so then the other papers reporting on this story so far.

    Either way this could be a major shakeup.

    shryke on
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    [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Well, shit may be about to get crazy:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russian-president-vladimir-putin-to-resign-amid-parkinsons-concerns-reports-claim/DVQAUV73ZNQRGT6RZWKG76XYOU/
    Reports coming out of the Kremlin suggest Vladimir Putin's 20-year-reign could be coming to an end.

    According to Kremlin watchers, the 68-year-old leader is set to step down at the start of 2021, over concerns he may have Parkinson's disease.

    I don't know how reliable the NZ Herald is but it seems legit? At least more so then the other papers reporting on this story so far.

    Either way this could be a major shakeup.

    Ex-dictators and strongmen live a dangerous and often short existence. Putin has more money than god, but I'm still surprised he'd risk it.

    Sic transit gloria mundi.
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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Well, shit may be about to get crazy:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russian-president-vladimir-putin-to-resign-amid-parkinsons-concerns-reports-claim/DVQAUV73ZNQRGT6RZWKG76XYOU/
    Reports coming out of the Kremlin suggest Vladimir Putin's 20-year-reign could be coming to an end.

    According to Kremlin watchers, the 68-year-old leader is set to step down at the start of 2021, over concerns he may have Parkinson's disease.

    I don't know how reliable the NZ Herald is but it seems legit? At least more so then the other papers reporting on this story so far.

    Either way this could be a major shakeup.

    Ex-dictators and strongmen live a dangerous and often short existence. Putin has more money than god, but I'm still surprised he'd risk it.

    Parkinson's is rough, and he may feel that he can no longer project the strength he needs to maintain his position - especially given that US policy on Russia is likely going to take a 180 in a few months.

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    cckerberoscckerberos Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Well, shit may be about to get crazy:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russian-president-vladimir-putin-to-resign-amid-parkinsons-concerns-reports-claim/DVQAUV73ZNQRGT6RZWKG76XYOU/
    Reports coming out of the Kremlin suggest Vladimir Putin's 20-year-reign could be coming to an end.

    According to Kremlin watchers, the 68-year-old leader is set to step down at the start of 2021, over concerns he may have Parkinson's disease.

    I don't know how reliable the NZ Herald is but it seems legit? At least more so then the other papers reporting on this story so far.

    Either way this could be a major shakeup.

    Ex-dictators and strongmen live a dangerous and often short existence. Putin has more money than god, but I'm still surprised he'd risk it.

    Parkinson's is rough, and he may feel that he can no longer project the strength he needs to maintain his position - especially given that US policy on Russia is likely going to take a 180 in a few months.

    Right. If a strongman sees the end coming, it is very much in their interest to make arrangements and step down on their own terms.

    Strongmen who are overthrown in a coup are literally twice as likely to be executed as those who voluntarily step down.

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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    cckerberos wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Well, shit may be about to get crazy:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russian-president-vladimir-putin-to-resign-amid-parkinsons-concerns-reports-claim/DVQAUV73ZNQRGT6RZWKG76XYOU/
    Reports coming out of the Kremlin suggest Vladimir Putin's 20-year-reign could be coming to an end.

    According to Kremlin watchers, the 68-year-old leader is set to step down at the start of 2021, over concerns he may have Parkinson's disease.

    I don't know how reliable the NZ Herald is but it seems legit? At least more so then the other papers reporting on this story so far.

    Either way this could be a major shakeup.

    Ex-dictators and strongmen live a dangerous and often short existence. Putin has more money than god, but I'm still surprised he'd risk it.

    Parkinson's is rough, and he may feel that he can no longer project the strength he needs to maintain his position - especially given that US policy on Russia is likely going to take a 180 in a few months.

    Right. If a strongman sees the end coming, it is very much in their interest to make arrangements and step down on their own terms.

    Strongmen who are overthrown in a coup are literally twice as likely to be executed as those who voluntarily step down.

    And even then? Unless he flees reties somewhere else I wouldn't put money on him living a decade. Hell, even half a decade.

    Dictatorial politics are not merciful.

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    HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    If it were to be valid I sincerely hope that he suffers greatly for the rest of his life from the disease.

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    electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    cckerberos wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Well, shit may be about to get crazy:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russian-president-vladimir-putin-to-resign-amid-parkinsons-concerns-reports-claim/DVQAUV73ZNQRGT6RZWKG76XYOU/
    Reports coming out of the Kremlin suggest Vladimir Putin's 20-year-reign could be coming to an end.

    According to Kremlin watchers, the 68-year-old leader is set to step down at the start of 2021, over concerns he may have Parkinson's disease.

    I don't know how reliable the NZ Herald is but it seems legit? At least more so then the other papers reporting on this story so far.

    Either way this could be a major shakeup.

    Ex-dictators and strongmen live a dangerous and often short existence. Putin has more money than god, but I'm still surprised he'd risk it.

    Parkinson's is rough, and he may feel that he can no longer project the strength he needs to maintain his position - especially given that US policy on Russia is likely going to take a 180 in a few months.

    Right. If a strongman sees the end coming, it is very much in their interest to make arrangements and step down on their own terms.

    Strongmen who are overthrown in a coup are literally twice as likely to be executed as those who voluntarily step down.

    And even then? Unless he flees reties somewhere else I wouldn't put money on him living a decade. Hell, even half a decade.

    Dictatorial politics are not merciful.

    Gotta be quite a few in the CIA who wouldn't mind ensuring he didn't last very long.

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    SoggybiscuitSoggybiscuit Tandem Electrostatic Accelerator Registered User regular
    cckerberos wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Well, shit may be about to get crazy:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russian-president-vladimir-putin-to-resign-amid-parkinsons-concerns-reports-claim/DVQAUV73ZNQRGT6RZWKG76XYOU/
    Reports coming out of the Kremlin suggest Vladimir Putin's 20-year-reign could be coming to an end.

    According to Kremlin watchers, the 68-year-old leader is set to step down at the start of 2021, over concerns he may have Parkinson's disease.

    I don't know how reliable the NZ Herald is but it seems legit? At least more so then the other papers reporting on this story so far.

    Either way this could be a major shakeup.

    Ex-dictators and strongmen live a dangerous and often short existence. Putin has more money than god, but I'm still surprised he'd risk it.

    Parkinson's is rough, and he may feel that he can no longer project the strength he needs to maintain his position - especially given that US policy on Russia is likely going to take a 180 in a few months.

    Right. If a strongman sees the end coming, it is very much in their interest to make arrangements and step down on their own terms.

    Strongmen who are overthrown in a coup are literally twice as likely to be executed as those who voluntarily step down.

    And even then? Unless he flees reties somewhere else I wouldn't put money on him living a decade. Hell, even half a decade.

    Dictatorial politics are not merciful.

    Gotta be quite a few in the CIA who wouldn't mind ensuring he didn't last very long.

    It would be wise, should he step down, for him to never leave Russia again. Otherwise, he is going to need a Geiger counter and food tasters wherever he travels. I’m assuming he wears a vest already.

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    Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
    cckerberos wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Well, shit may be about to get crazy:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russian-president-vladimir-putin-to-resign-amid-parkinsons-concerns-reports-claim/DVQAUV73ZNQRGT6RZWKG76XYOU/
    Reports coming out of the Kremlin suggest Vladimir Putin's 20-year-reign could be coming to an end.

    According to Kremlin watchers, the 68-year-old leader is set to step down at the start of 2021, over concerns he may have Parkinson's disease.

    I don't know how reliable the NZ Herald is but it seems legit? At least more so then the other papers reporting on this story so far.

    Either way this could be a major shakeup.

    Ex-dictators and strongmen live a dangerous and often short existence. Putin has more money than god, but I'm still surprised he'd risk it.

    Parkinson's is rough, and he may feel that he can no longer project the strength he needs to maintain his position - especially given that US policy on Russia is likely going to take a 180 in a few months.

    Right. If a strongman sees the end coming, it is very much in their interest to make arrangements and step down on their own terms.

    Strongmen who are overthrown in a coup are literally twice as likely to be executed as those who voluntarily step down.

    And even then? Unless he flees reties somewhere else I wouldn't put money on him living a decade. Hell, even half a decade.

    Dictatorial politics are not merciful.

    Gotta be quite a few in the CIA who wouldn't mind ensuring he didn't last very long.

    It would be wise, should he step down, for him to never leave Russia again. Otherwise, he is going to need a Geiger counter and food tasters wherever he travels. I’m assuming he wears a vest already.

    If he leaves Russia? He should probably start doing those things if he stays in Russia

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    MrVyngaardMrVyngaard Live From New Etoile Straight Outta SosariaRegistered User regular
    And avoid standing near windows.

    Never know when an accident might happen.

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    KrieghundKrieghund Registered User regular
    He got to live like a king for decades. What does he care if the last twenty minutes of his life are going to suck? Small price to pay, right?

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    Its worth noting that Russia also just passed a "presidents are immune to prosecution for the rest of their lives" bill this fall, likely in directly correlation with this situation.

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    Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Krieghund wrote: »
    He got to live like a king for decades. What does he care if the last twenty minutes of his life are going to suck? Small price to pay, right?

    Men like Putin are in abject fear of death, natural or not. Sure, he’s lived an absolutely privileged life, but that doesn’t mean he’s going to pass with any dignity or grace just because things were good for him in the past.

    At the end of the day, strongmen are cowards.

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    [Expletive deleted][Expletive deleted] The mediocre doctor NorwayRegistered User regular
    Krieghund wrote: »
    He got to live like a king for decades. What does he care if the last twenty minutes of his life are going to suck? Small price to pay, right?

    Men like Putin are in abject fear of death, natural or not. Sure, he’s lived an absolutely privileged life, but that doesn’t mean he’s going to pass with any dignity or grace just because things were good for him in the past.

    At the end of the day, strongmen are cowards.

    Some years ago, Starz released two seasons (then cancelled) the show Boss, starring Kelsey Grammer as the mayor of Chicago and titular boss. The mayor runs Chicago (and to a slightly lesser extent Illinois) like his personal fiefdom, greasing the palms that need greasing and threatening those who need thretening; a classic dirty mayor / strongman.

    The show is fantastic, like a Game of Thrones or a non-sucky House of Cards, but was sadly cancelled after the second season, the story remaining incomplete. Regardless, I strongly recommend seeing it.

    In the first episode, the mayor is diagnosed with dementia with Lewy bodies, and faces the difficult (for him) choice of whether to continue as mayor (and keeping his conditon secret) or stepping down, fully knowing there will come a point that he won't be able to hide it and a point where he won't even be him any more.

    Two seasons of worsening symptoms and episodes of severe memory loss and other symptoms, as well as trying to keep politically afloat and maintain his power, the series culminates in him
    refusing the step down and deciding to keep going until the very bitter end. Then the series was cancelled. (You should still watch it.)

    Anyways, I'm sure Putin would like the show.

    Sic transit gloria mundi.
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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    Krieghund wrote: »
    He got to live like a king for decades. What does he care if the last twenty minutes of his life are going to suck? Small price to pay, right?

    General Tarquin: *sips wine*

    Commander Zoom on
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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    They're gonna take all the doorknobs, faucets and light bulbs on the way out.
    Krieghund wrote: »
    He got to live like a king for decades. What does he care if the last twenty minutes of his life are going to suck? Small price to pay, right?

    General Tarquin: *sips wine*

    But Peter Cushing has been dead for a while now....

    Ohhhh.... TarQUin.

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    KrieghundKrieghund Registered User regular
    Krieghund wrote: »
    He got to live like a king for decades. What does he care if the last twenty minutes of his life are going to suck? Small price to pay, right?

    General Tarquin: *sips wine*

    Lol, that was indeed where i got that idea.

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    ZavianZavian universal peace sounds better than forever war Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    so now that we have a Biden presidency, one of the most concerning things I've been seeing is that Biden will be 'softer' towards China. I'm wondering what his stance will be on the current slave labor taking place, and whether he will sanction any companies currently using slave labor?
    In all, ASPI’s research has identified 82 foreign and Chinese companies potentially directly or indirectly benefiting from the use of Uyghur workers outside Xinjiang through abusive labour transfer programs: Abercrombie & Fitch, Acer, Adidas, Alstom, Amazon, Apple, ASUS, BAIC Motor, BMW, Bombardier, Bosch, BYD, Calvin Klein, Candy, Carter’s, Cerruti 1881, Changan Automobile, Cisco, CRRC, Dell, Electrolux, Fila, Founder Group, GAC Group (automobiles), Gap, Geely Auto, General Motors, Google, Goertek, H&M, Haier, Hart Schaffner Marx, Hisense, Hitachi, HP, HTC, Huawei, iFlyTek, Jack & Jones, Jaguar, Japan Display Inc., L.L.Bean, Lacoste, Land Rover, Lenovo, LG, Li-Ning, Marks & Spencer, Mayor, Meizu, Mercedes-Benz, MG, Microsoft, Mitsubishi, Mitsumi, Nike, Nintendo, Nokia, Oculus, Oppo, Panasonic, Polo Ralph Lauren, Puma, Roewe, SAIC Motor, Samsung, SGMW, Sharp, Siemens, Skechers, Sony, TDK, Tommy Hilfiger, Toshiba, Tsinghua Tongfang, Uniqlo, Victoria’s Secret, Vivo, Volkswagen, Xiaomi, Zara, Zegna, ZTE. Some brands are linked with multiple factories.

    https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale

    Zavian on
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    Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
    edited November 2020
    Enc wrote: »
    Its worth noting that Russia also just passed a "presidents are immune to prosecution for the rest of their lives" bill this fall, likely in directly correlation with this situation.

    Ah I see where this is going

    taps nose

    the next Russian President is going to throw Putin out of a window and they wanted to make sure he'd be clear away for it

    Lord_Asmodeus on
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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    Zavian wrote: »
    so now that we have a Biden presidency, one of the most concerning things I've been seeing is that Biden will be 'softer' towards China. I'm wondering what his stance will be on the current slave labor taking place, and whether he will sanction any companies currently using slave labor?
    In all, ASPI’s research has identified 82 foreign and Chinese companies potentially directly or indirectly benefiting from the use of Uyghur workers outside Xinjiang through abusive labour transfer programs: Abercrombie & Fitch, Acer, Adidas, Alstom, Amazon, Apple, ASUS, BAIC Motor, BMW, Bombardier, Bosch, BYD, Calvin Klein, Candy, Carter’s, Cerruti 1881, Changan Automobile, Cisco, CRRC, Dell, Electrolux, Fila, Founder Group, GAC Group (automobiles), Gap, Geely Auto, General Motors, Google, Goertek, H&M, Haier, Hart Schaffner Marx, Hisense, Hitachi, HP, HTC, Huawei, iFlyTek, Jack & Jones, Jaguar, Japan Display Inc., L.L.Bean, Lacoste, Land Rover, Lenovo, LG, Li-Ning, Marks & Spencer, Mayor, Meizu, Mercedes-Benz, MG, Microsoft, Mitsubishi, Mitsumi, Nike, Nintendo, Nokia, Oculus, Oppo, Panasonic, Polo Ralph Lauren, Puma, Roewe, SAIC Motor, Samsung, SGMW, Sharp, Siemens, Skechers, Sony, TDK, Tommy Hilfiger, Toshiba, Tsinghua Tongfang, Uniqlo, Victoria’s Secret, Vivo, Volkswagen, Xiaomi, Zara, Zegna, ZTE. Some brands are linked with multiple factories.

    https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale

    Biden helped craft the TPP agreement. He isn't going to be soft on China. He's going to be rational about it.

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    Zavian wrote: »
    so now that we have a Biden presidency, one of the most concerning things I've been seeing is that Biden will be 'softer' towards China. I'm wondering what his stance will be on the current slave labor taking place, and whether he will sanction any companies currently using slave labor?
    In all, ASPI’s research has identified 82 foreign and Chinese companies potentially directly or indirectly benefiting from the use of Uyghur workers outside Xinjiang through abusive labour transfer programs: Abercrombie & Fitch, Acer, Adidas, Alstom, Amazon, Apple, ASUS, BAIC Motor, BMW, Bombardier, Bosch, BYD, Calvin Klein, Candy, Carter’s, Cerruti 1881, Changan Automobile, Cisco, CRRC, Dell, Electrolux, Fila, Founder Group, GAC Group (automobiles), Gap, Geely Auto, General Motors, Google, Goertek, H&M, Haier, Hart Schaffner Marx, Hisense, Hitachi, HP, HTC, Huawei, iFlyTek, Jack & Jones, Jaguar, Japan Display Inc., L.L.Bean, Lacoste, Land Rover, Lenovo, LG, Li-Ning, Marks & Spencer, Mayor, Meizu, Mercedes-Benz, MG, Microsoft, Mitsubishi, Mitsumi, Nike, Nintendo, Nokia, Oculus, Oppo, Panasonic, Polo Ralph Lauren, Puma, Roewe, SAIC Motor, Samsung, SGMW, Sharp, Siemens, Skechers, Sony, TDK, Tommy Hilfiger, Toshiba, Tsinghua Tongfang, Uniqlo, Victoria’s Secret, Vivo, Volkswagen, Xiaomi, Zara, Zegna, ZTE. Some brands are linked with multiple factories.

    https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale

    Biden helped craft the TPP agreement. He isn't going to be soft on China. He's going to be rational about it.

    Yup. The argument that Trump is/was going to be harder on China than Biden would be, is just another one of the bullshit lines that conservatives have been pushing.

    The only thing Trump really did to China, besides being casually racist all the time about COVID (Kung flu/China virus), was close down some travel, and institute tariffs, which don't frikking hurt China all that much. AFAIK, tariffs are only on imports, not exports, and tariffs paid on imports are PAID BY THE IMPORTER (ie, US businesses). While China did institute tariffs of their own, on some agricultural goods, all that did was hurt farmers, because China sourced a lot of what they needed from other countries.

    Trump has reportedly been heard saying the detention facilities were a good idea.

    The idea that Trump was in any way hard on China, is just Republican propoganda.

    Not saying Biden is going to go to the mat over it (ie, cutting all trade unless China gets their shit together), but he's definitely going to want to put inroads into undercutting their dominance, across all spheres, diplomatically, economically, and militarily.

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    What we really need in terms of "fighting China" is to return manufacturing to the USA so that China doesn't have a stranglehold on our supply chains. Especially in terms of medical, food and military manufacturing. We really need to figure out how to do that. Sensibly applied tariffs and tax breaks might work.

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    PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    What we really need in terms of "fighting China" is to return manufacturing to the USA so that China doesn't have a stranglehold on our supply chains. Especially in terms of medical, food and military manufacturing. We really need to figure out how to do that. Sensibly applied tariffs and tax breaks might work.

    Tariffs end up being paid by consumers in the end, so...

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    AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    Zavian wrote: »
    so now that we have a Biden presidency, one of the most concerning things I've been seeing is that Biden will be 'softer' towards China. I'm wondering what his stance will be on the current slave labor taking place, and whether he will sanction any companies currently using slave labor?
    In all, ASPI’s research has identified 82 foreign and Chinese companies potentially directly or indirectly benefiting from the use of Uyghur workers outside Xinjiang through abusive labour transfer programs: Abercrombie & Fitch, Acer, Adidas, Alstom, Amazon, Apple, ASUS, BAIC Motor, BMW, Bombardier, Bosch, BYD, Calvin Klein, Candy, Carter’s, Cerruti 1881, Changan Automobile, Cisco, CRRC, Dell, Electrolux, Fila, Founder Group, GAC Group (automobiles), Gap, Geely Auto, General Motors, Google, Goertek, H&M, Haier, Hart Schaffner Marx, Hisense, Hitachi, HP, HTC, Huawei, iFlyTek, Jack & Jones, Jaguar, Japan Display Inc., L.L.Bean, Lacoste, Land Rover, Lenovo, LG, Li-Ning, Marks & Spencer, Mayor, Meizu, Mercedes-Benz, MG, Microsoft, Mitsubishi, Mitsumi, Nike, Nintendo, Nokia, Oculus, Oppo, Panasonic, Polo Ralph Lauren, Puma, Roewe, SAIC Motor, Samsung, SGMW, Sharp, Siemens, Skechers, Sony, TDK, Tommy Hilfiger, Toshiba, Tsinghua Tongfang, Uniqlo, Victoria’s Secret, Vivo, Volkswagen, Xiaomi, Zara, Zegna, ZTE. Some brands are linked with multiple factories.

    https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale

    Biden helped craft the TPP agreement. He isn't going to be soft on China. He's going to be rational about it.

    Furthermore, the argument here is reminiscent of popular views of Carter and Reagan re: Iran. Reagan (who literally sold arms to Iran) was seen as the hardliner, while Carter (whose shutdown of access to funds was pressuring lran to the table) was seen as soft.

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    rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    What we really need in terms of "fighting China" is to return manufacturing to the USA so that China doesn't have a stranglehold on our supply chains. Especially in terms of medical, food and military manufacturing. We really need to figure out how to do that. Sensibly applied tariffs and tax breaks might work.

    I'm sure our corporate overlords would prefer we go for slightly more expensive production in non-China foreign countries than dare to pay someone a living wage. This is exactly what tech companies were starting to do in the face of further China bans/tarrifs.

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    Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    What we really need in terms of "fighting China" is to return manufacturing to the USA so that China doesn't have a stranglehold on our supply chains. Especially in terms of medical, food and military manufacturing. We really need to figure out how to do that. Sensibly applied tariffs and tax breaks might work.

    I'm sure our corporate overlords would prefer we go for slightly more expensive production in non-China foreign countries than dare to pay someone a living wage. This is exactly what tech companies were starting to do in the face of further China bans/tarrifs.

    That was happening even before Trump.

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    What we really need in terms of "fighting China" is to return manufacturing to the USA so that China doesn't have a stranglehold on our supply chains. Especially in terms of medical, food and military manufacturing. We really need to figure out how to do that. Sensibly applied tariffs and tax breaks might work.

    I'm sure our corporate overlords would prefer we go for slightly more expensive production in non-China foreign countries than dare to pay someone a living wage. This is exactly what tech companies were starting to do in the face of further China bans/tarrifs.

    That was happening even before Trump.

    Trump just piled on. Part of China's issue is that the standard of living is continually rising there and putting upwards pressure on wages so they aren't as cheap as they used to be for labor intensive stuff. Trump just threw a bunch of instability on that already building issue.

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    jothkijothki Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    What we really need in terms of "fighting China" is to return manufacturing to the USA so that China doesn't have a stranglehold on our supply chains. Especially in terms of medical, food and military manufacturing. We really need to figure out how to do that. Sensibly applied tariffs and tax breaks might work.

    Tariffs end up being paid by consumers in the end, so...

    Why do people keep saying that? It's only true if demand isn't price-sensitive, and if that's the case, the prices would probably have already been higher. The cost of every tariff is going to be stretched across the entire manufacturing, distribution, and purchasing chain to some extent.

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited November 2020
    Only if the tariffs are on input goods. If they’re on finished goods then there are only consumers and retail in the chain

    But if they’re on input goods then you do not benefit your manufacturing sector

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