I strongly recommend watching the first two minutes of the first video. I think the things covered is something we all need should keep in mind.
No one is saying you can't enjoy a bad movie. Virtually everyone does at some point.
I'm saying they are good movies.
Or, more precisely, of roughly the same quality as the OT.
Incidentally, I usually ignore this thread and all other discussions of SW. It's all negative all the time. Everything is viewed through the worst possible lens, and all things (all things) with the ST are (axiomatically) the worst things ever put into film.
And it's like that everywhere.
There's enough negativity everywhere else. I don't need it when discussing my escapist fantasy film series.
There is nowhere I can say, e.g., that I thought the crazy Sith ruins on Exegol were cool without everyone else jumping in saying it's the worst idea in the history of cinema executed in the worst possible way imaginable.
That's why I enjoy the Everything Great About… series. Even if they are talking about a mediocre (or even pretty bad) film, they always accentuate the positive and find something enjoyable to highlight and discuss. It's genuinely uplifting to watch.
And then I come here and it's 100% why every single aspect of the ST is the worst possible trash in the history of cinema. Reading it just makes my day worse.
Is it too much to ask for someone to post at least one positive thing?
Zombie Palpatine was very cool. No doubts. And the duel on the Death Star ruins. And more.
What brings it all crashing down was the utter asspull (to the viewers, if not JJ) that put him inthe movie in the first place.
Yes, taken in small pieces out ofthe greater whole, parts of the movie are very cool. But you put them all together and you've got that episode of Friends where Rachel tries to make a Thanksgiving trifle.
Zombie Palpatine was very cool. No doubts. And the duel on the Death Star ruins. And more.
What brings it all crashing down was the utter asspull (to the viewers, if not JJ) that put him inthe movie in the first place.
Yes, taken in small pieces out ofthe greater whole, parts of the movie are very cool. But you put them all together and you've got that episode of Friends where Rachel tries to make a Thanksgiving trifle.
“Somehow, Palpatine returned.”
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I was watching IX for my edit project and had to admit that, outside of any preceding context, it wasn’t nearly as horrible as it originally seemed. It just doesn’t fit the other films in the slightest.
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I was watching IX for my edit project and had to admit that, outside of any preceding context, it wasn’t nearly as horrible as it originally seemed. It just doesn’t fit the other films in the slightest.
I was wondering how you were going to approach it for your project.
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I was watching IX for my edit project and had to admit that, outside of any preceding context, it wasn’t nearly as horrible as it originally seemed. It just doesn’t fit the other films in the slightest.
I was wondering how you were going to approach it for your project.
It’s by far the biggest struggle. There’s a lot of good individual moments but there’s not a lot of satisfactory storytelling, and it’s hard to just plug stuff in and have it work.
I’m not locked down yet on a plan, but you can expect the casino and the macguffins to be cut out, and the fake dead Chewie plot
I think the guys from Every Frame a Painting put it best. One of them tried to create a movie by making a bunch of individually excellent scenes and connecting them. And it was terrible. He concluded that at the end of the day a film is supposed to be more than just a series of individual scenes.
I think the guys from Every Frame a Painting put it best. One of them tried to create a movie by making a bunch of individually excellent scenes and connecting them. And it was terrible. He concluded that at the end of the day a film is supposed to be more than just a series of individual scenes.
I recall someone once saying that you could show any random 60-second clip from Only God Forgives and any cinema fan would think it's from a critically-acclaimed masterpiece, but show them the whole film and they'll declare it a real stinker.
The dumbest thing about the space burning man sequence is that they are given a clue that the artifact is on that planet, somewhere, possibly in Ochi's ship (I can't remember if they know Ochi is involved before or after finding his skeleton it's all a blur but anyway), so they land randomly on yet another giant fuckoff desert planet, where there just happens to be a festival, and then head INTO it in spite of everyone being annoyed that it is even happening (spare C3P0) in the first place, and then while sideways shimmying through a crowd Finn bemoans how he's never seen so few Wayfinders. Like, WHAT? They just expected it to be sitting right where they landed? Maybe some squidface lady is selling it at a souviner kiosk? That whole sequence from there on up to the Chewie fake-out bit is SUPREMELY dumb. It has some fun little bits in it, yes, but still so very, very dumb.
My only hope is that all the nine to twelve year olds who saw TRoS in the theater are entirely unaware of all the structural problems it has and its general unfitness for purpose as the keystone holding together a forty-year, nine-feature-film arch, and instead they’re all at each other’s birthday parties arguing about who gets to be Crane Arm Palpatine and who gets to be Rey in this round of the big lightsaber fight with discarded wrapping-paper tubes. Kids who actually get to learn what the cool new TIE Interceptor thing with the little extra delta wings outside its delta wings is called. Maybe a renaissance of the early-90s LucasArts flight sim games but in VR? I don’t know.
I really want to love the Skywalker Saga for what it is, but in order to do that I have to believe that there is a new generation who can manage to not hate it for what it isn’t. Time will tell, I guess.
Zombie Palpatine was very cool. No doubts. And the duel on the Death Star ruins. And more.
What brings it all crashing down was the utter asspull (to the viewers, if not JJ) that put him inthe movie in the first place.
Yes, taken in small pieces out ofthe greater whole, parts of the movie are very cool. But you put them all together and you've got that episode of Friends where Rachel tries to make a Thanksgiving trifle.
“Somehow, Palpatine returned.”
I thought it was cool and totally on brand for the Emperor / a powerful sith lord to cheat death.
Palpatine did this in the old EU. I'm playing through the Knights of the Fallen Empire storyline of SW: The Old Republic where the entire plot is about this exact thing, and you can't move two meters without tripping over a force ghost or a sith spirit or whatever (half of whom want to possess someone / get a new body) in the base game.
What's the exact mechanism? Who gives a shit. It's not important to the story.
Does it invalidate the victory over Endor / Anakin's sacrifice? No. Endor bought 30 years of peace. That's a big victory. The peace was never going to last. It's called Star Wars, not Star Hold Hands and Sing Kumbaya.
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What's the exact mechanism? Who gives a shit. It's not important to the story.
No, the mechanism matters enormously because the last time we saw the Emperor, he was a fucking cloud of vapor rapidly expanding to fill his breakfast command nook. How the fuck he overcomes that to be physically embodied at the very end of a 9-part story when there has been zero mention or indication of anybody actually being able to do that is a plot hole big enough to swallow the entire saga. And as been said a ridiculous number of times at this point, movie elements that require external materials to fill the gaps in their writing are shitty movie elements. Not to mention that it was a plot point straight-up stolen from the EU and it wasn't even a good plot point in the first place. So not only is it a massive, massive writing flaw, it's also a ripoff.
Does it invalidate the victory over Endor / Anakin's sacrifice? No. Endor bought 30 years of peace. That's a big victory. The peace was never going to last. It's called Star Wars, not Star Hold Hands and Sing Kumbaya.
No, it totally invalidates Endor and the whole Rebellion, because that "30 years of peace" has actually apparently just been the Empire still being the Empire in a huge fucking chunk of space and the rest of the galaxy left in a low chaotic simmer, only to lead to that "peace" seeing more death and destruction than the Clone Wars and Rebellion mashed together, capped off with Palpatine pulling a super-duper death fleet out of his Sith ass. The whole OT may as well have not happened at that point because Palpatine's death fleet was going to exist one way or another and the galaxy was unavoidably fucked in the meantime. Shit, that 30 years didn't even lead up to building a force that ended up being what was needed to fight Palpatine. The main Whatever the Fuck Government is in Charge Fleet got blown up in the first act of the farce, leaving the shitty Resistance fleet which then got pounded to nothing in the following movie.
Apparently all that did matter was one of Palpatine's clones bailing and then having the ultimate wunderkid of all wunderkids so she could pop by the war later and save everybody with the Power of Destiny which meant everything had to happen that way anyway. Everything else is just a big pile of getting people killed.
What's the exact mechanism? Who gives a shit. It's not important to the story.
No, the mechanism matters enormously because the last time we saw the Emperor, he was a fucking cloud of vapor rapidly expanding to fill his breakfast command nook. How the fuck he overcomes that to be physically embodied at the very end of a 9-part story when there has been zero mention or indication of anybody actually being able to do that is a plot hole big enough to swallow the entire saga. And as been said a ridiculous number of times at this point, movie elements that require external materials to fill the gaps in their writing are shitty movie elements. Not to mention that it was a plot point straight-up stolen from the EU and it wasn't even a good plot point in the first place. So not only is it a massive, massive writing flaw, it's also a ripoff.
I must have imagined seeing 3 other people (and a mention of a fourth) overcoming death in some fashion prior to RoS, then.
Edit: I'm talking about force ghosts, if that wasn't clear.
TFA and TLJ, collectively, mash the reset button hard on the Rebellion/Resistance. By the end of the latter, what's left of it can (as has been noted before) literally all fit on the Falcon. They've recovered some by the start of ROS, but... I was pretty damn discouraged by that.
Also, of the Heroes of Yavin, Han and Luke are both dead and Leia will be joining them halfway through the third movie, leaving just Chewie and the droids (and Wedge). And of them, only Luke (possibly) died anything like "content".
Abram's biggest problem is it feels like he's stuck in the TV mindset with his story telling. You can kinda see where each scene would maybe work really well as a 30-40 minute episode of television, but when it gets crammed down into a 3 hour bottle, so much gets compressed it starts becoming incomprehensible.
For example: Rey "killing" Chewie.
That would be a great TV cliffhanger, even if you show him alive right away to close out the episode. The characters would be able to have at least an episode or two to go through the ramifications/writing him off, etc. You could see what the First Order does to Chewie, he could have his own arc there, maybe showing Hux giving him the information in hopes/knowledge that someone would come rescue him. You would get to see how Rey handles that, how it effects her decision making going forward, if it brings her closer to Finn and Poe or drives them away. The bones of an amazing little story line are right there, but instead it's like a minute of drama and then we are rushing on.
I think it was misguided to try to close out the story with the end of the war. TLJ was the very beginning of the open fighting and it left the Resistance bare. To then attempt to fit the entirety of the struggle into 1 movie was a mistake. Instead of rushing to end things, he should have been rebuilding the sandbox. Finish up Kylo and Rey, but leave the galaxy in a state of tension so the next set of movies can use the fighting as a backdrop. The adventures of Stableboy Broomkid as he grows up during the second galactic civil war.
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I think it was misguided to try to close out the story with the end of the war. TLJ was the very beginning of the open fighting and it left the Resistance bare. To then attempt to fit the entirety of the struggle into 1 movie was a mistake. Instead of rushing to end things, he should have been rebuilding the sandbox. Finish up Kylo and Rey, but leave the galaxy in a state of tension so the next set of movies can use the fighting as a backdrop. The adventures of Stableboy Broomkid as he grows up during the second galactic civil war.
That probably would have been the smarter move, but leaving a galactic civil war dangling to be finished up on a fourth trilogy wouldn't have been very satisfying.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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I think it was misguided to try to close out the story with the end of the war. TLJ was the very beginning of the open fighting and it left the Resistance bare. To then attempt to fit the entirety of the struggle into 1 movie was a mistake. Instead of rushing to end things, he should have been rebuilding the sandbox. Finish up Kylo and Rey, but leave the galaxy in a state of tension so the next set of movies can use the fighting as a backdrop. The adventures of Stableboy Broomkid as he grows up during the second galactic civil war.
That probably would have been the smarter move, but leaving a galactic civil war dangling to be finished up on a fourth trilogy wouldn't have been very satisfying.
The point of leaving it as a sandbox would be to not finish up the war. It'd be a perpetually existing thing with bad guys who have Iconic(tm) triangular space ships and white-armored soldiers where people can set their stories in.
Also, it's not just movies. They could have tv shows, comics, books, video games set in the post TROS time frame.
So what you’re saying is that JJ is all about, “Faster; more intense!”???
I’ve directed films before. It’s a frightfully easy thing to want to say, but it’s a crutch for directors who aren’t confident in themselves to actually coach the actors. It hides ineptitude while shifting the blame.
But then again, the Gish Gallop style of filmmaking works like gangbusters on a visceral level
My favorite counterstory for this is one Johnson tells to poke fun at himself, actually. IIRC, during the Last Jedi shoot he was rambling on to Carrie about Leia's recent history and her motivations and so on before another take of a scene, and when he was done she just said mildly, "Faster, more intense?" and he realized he'd been lecturing a whip-smart veteran actor who'd been playing the character probably since before he'd been in kindergarten.
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I think it was misguided to try to close out the story with the end of the war. TLJ was the very beginning of the open fighting and it left the Resistance bare. To then attempt to fit the entirety of the struggle into 1 movie was a mistake. Instead of rushing to end things, he should have been rebuilding the sandbox. Finish up Kylo and Rey, but leave the galaxy in a state of tension so the next set of movies can use the fighting as a backdrop. The adventures of Stableboy Broomkid as he grows up during the second galactic civil war.
That probably would have been the smarter move, but leaving a galactic civil war dangling to be finished up on a fourth trilogy wouldn't have been very satisfying.
The point of leaving it as a sandbox would be to not finish up the war. It'd be a perpetually existing thing with bad guys who have Iconic(tm) triangular space ships and white-armored soldiers where people can set their stories in.
Also, it's not just movies. They could have tv shows, comics, books, video games set in the post TROS time frame.
So basically the same setting as just after RotS, but with nobody nearly as interesting as Vader or Palps around.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
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I think it was misguided to try to close out the story with the end of the war. TLJ was the very beginning of the open fighting and it left the Resistance bare. To then attempt to fit the entirety of the struggle into 1 movie was a mistake. Instead of rushing to end things, he should have been rebuilding the sandbox. Finish up Kylo and Rey, but leave the galaxy in a state of tension so the next set of movies can use the fighting as a backdrop. The adventures of Stableboy Broomkid as he grows up during the second galactic civil war.
That probably would have been the smarter move, but leaving a galactic civil war dangling to be finished up on a fourth trilogy wouldn't have been very satisfying.
The point of leaving it as a sandbox would be to not finish up the war. It'd be a perpetually existing thing with bad guys who have Iconic(tm) triangular space ships and white-armored soldiers where people can set their stories in.
Also, it's not just movies. They could have tv shows, comics, books, video games set in the post TROS time frame.
So basically the same setting as just after RotS, but with nobody nearly as interesting as Vader or Palps around.
Post-TROS setting would have the advantage of not having a pre-determined endpoint the same way stories set in the OT period have.
What's the exact mechanism? Who gives a shit. It's not important to the story.
No, the mechanism matters enormously because the last time we saw the Emperor, he was a fucking cloud of vapor rapidly expanding to fill his breakfast command nook. How the fuck he overcomes that to be physically embodied at the very end of a 9-part story when there has been zero mention or indication of anybody actually being able to do that is a plot hole big enough to swallow the entire saga. And as been said a ridiculous number of times at this point, movie elements that require external materials to fill the gaps in their writing are shitty movie elements. Not to mention that it was a plot point straight-up stolen from the EU and it wasn't even a good plot point in the first place. So not only is it a massive, massive writing flaw, it's also a ripoff.
I must have imagined seeing 3 other people (and a mention of a fourth) overcoming death in some fashion prior to RoS, then.
Edit: I'm talking about force ghosts, if that wasn't clear.
If Plapatine had been a force ghost Abrams might have had a leg to stand on regarding his return.
Turns out Palpatine is unkillable. Did Rey actually kill him? We don't know!
What's the exact mechanism? Who gives a shit. It's not important to the story.
No, the mechanism matters enormously because the last time we saw the Emperor, he was a fucking cloud of vapor rapidly expanding to fill his breakfast command nook. How the fuck he overcomes that to be physically embodied at the very end of a 9-part story when there has been zero mention or indication of anybody actually being able to do that is a plot hole big enough to swallow the entire saga. And as been said a ridiculous number of times at this point, movie elements that require external materials to fill the gaps in their writing are shitty movie elements. Not to mention that it was a plot point straight-up stolen from the EU and it wasn't even a good plot point in the first place. So not only is it a massive, massive writing flaw, it's also a ripoff.
I must have imagined seeing 3 other people (and a mention of a fourth) overcoming death in some fashion prior to RoS, then.
Edit: I'm talking about force ghosts, if that wasn't clear.
If Plapatine had been a force ghost Abrams might have had a leg to stand on regarding his return.
Turns out Palpatine is unkillable. Did Rey actually kill him? We don't know!
You're right. That's why ESB is complete trash. Where did the whole force ghost thing come from? If only Ben had stayed a disembodied voice possibly heard or possibly imagined as in ANH, then ESB would have a leg to stand on.
I remember a lot of people criticizing TLJ claiming that it undid all of Luke's accomplishments and character growth.
And then in TROS the Emperor is kicking around and Luke is all like "I fucked up, can't really help any more, here's an Xwing have fun storming Exegol"
If there’s stuff that’s not important to the story, calling it out as not important doesn’t help. There’s Poe’s line about Palpatine, and also Merry’s bit about hyperspace rams.
In the OT, Luke never asks Ben why he’s a ghost now.
As I have grown up, my requirement for my escapist fiction to actually make some sort of sense has grown up too.
I am loathe to do so, but I think it might be good for me to sit down with a big bowl of popcorn and my 8yo beside me watching TROS on D+. Maybe if can see it through his eyes, I might change my tune. Because he will definitely focus on the cool... while my old grumpy ass noticed the cool, but focused on the stupid as soon as the cool scenes ended.
What's the exact mechanism? Who gives a shit. It's not important to the story.
No, the mechanism matters enormously because the last time we saw the Emperor, he was a fucking cloud of vapor rapidly expanding to fill his breakfast command nook. How the fuck he overcomes that to be physically embodied at the very end of a 9-part story when there has been zero mention or indication of anybody actually being able to do that is a plot hole big enough to swallow the entire saga. And as been said a ridiculous number of times at this point, movie elements that require external materials to fill the gaps in their writing are shitty movie elements. Not to mention that it was a plot point straight-up stolen from the EU and it wasn't even a good plot point in the first place. So not only is it a massive, massive writing flaw, it's also a ripoff.
I must have imagined seeing 3 other people (and a mention of a fourth) overcoming death in some fashion prior to RoS, then.
Edit: I'm talking about force ghosts, if that wasn't clear.
If Plapatine had been a force ghost Abrams might have had a leg to stand on regarding his return.
Turns out Palpatine is unkillable. Did Rey actually kill him? We don't know!
You're right. That's why ESB is complete trash. Where did the whole force ghost thing come from? If only Ben had stayed a disembodied voice possibly heard or possibly imagined as in ANH, then ESB would have a leg to stand on.
If the force ghosts in ESB showed up at the start of the movie absolutely unchanged from their mortal form to replace Luke as the main protagonists yeah it'd be pretty awful.
What's the exact mechanism? Who gives a shit. It's not important to the story.
No, the mechanism matters enormously because the last time we saw the Emperor, he was a fucking cloud of vapor rapidly expanding to fill his breakfast command nook. How the fuck he overcomes that to be physically embodied at the very end of a 9-part story when there has been zero mention or indication of anybody actually being able to do that is a plot hole big enough to swallow the entire saga. And as been said a ridiculous number of times at this point, movie elements that require external materials to fill the gaps in their writing are shitty movie elements. Not to mention that it was a plot point straight-up stolen from the EU and it wasn't even a good plot point in the first place. So not only is it a massive, massive writing flaw, it's also a ripoff.
Does it invalidate the victory over Endor / Anakin's sacrifice? No. Endor bought 30 years of peace. That's a big victory. The peace was never going to last. It's called Star Wars, not Star Hold Hands and Sing Kumbaya.
No, it totally invalidates Endor and the whole Rebellion, because that "30 years of peace" has actually apparently just been the Empire still being the Empire in a huge fucking chunk of space and the rest of the galaxy left in a low chaotic simmer, only to lead to that "peace" seeing more death and destruction than the Clone Wars and Rebellion mashed together, capped off with Palpatine pulling a super-duper death fleet out of his Sith ass. The whole OT may as well have not happened at that point because Palpatine's death fleet was going to exist one way or another and the galaxy was unavoidably fucked in the meantime. Shit, that 30 years didn't even lead up to building a force that ended up being what was needed to fight Palpatine. The main Whatever the Fuck Government is in Charge Fleet got blown up in the first act of the farce, leaving the shitty Resistance fleet which then got pounded to nothing in the following movie.
Apparently all that did matter was one of Palpatine's clones bailing and then having the ultimate wunderkid of all wunderkids so she could pop by the war later and save everybody with the Power of Destiny which meant everything had to happen that way anyway. Everything else is just a big pile of getting people killed.
*Claps hands*
It IS the Dark Empire argument!
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What brings it all crashing down was the utter asspull (to the viewers, if not JJ) that put him inthe movie in the first place.
Yes, taken in small pieces out ofthe greater whole, parts of the movie are very cool. But you put them all together and you've got that episode of Friends where Rachel tries to make a Thanksgiving trifle.
And it had more cool X-wing stuff. And Wedge. Just... not together.
“Somehow, Palpatine returned.”
I was wondering how you were going to approach it for your project.
It’s by far the biggest struggle. There’s a lot of good individual moments but there’s not a lot of satisfactory storytelling, and it’s hard to just plug stuff in and have it work.
I’m not locked down yet on a plan, but you can expect the casino and the macguffins to be cut out, and the fake dead Chewie plot
I recall someone once saying that you could show any random 60-second clip from Only God Forgives and any cinema fan would think it's from a critically-acclaimed masterpiece, but show them the whole film and they'll declare it a real stinker.
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I thought it was cool and totally on brand for the Emperor / a powerful sith lord to cheat death.
Palpatine did this in the old EU. I'm playing through the Knights of the Fallen Empire storyline of SW: The Old Republic where the entire plot is about this exact thing, and you can't move two meters without tripping over a force ghost or a sith spirit or whatever (half of whom want to possess someone / get a new body) in the base game.
What's the exact mechanism? Who gives a shit. It's not important to the story.
Does it invalidate the victory over Endor / Anakin's sacrifice? No. Endor bought 30 years of peace. That's a big victory. The peace was never going to last. It's called Star Wars, not Star Hold Hands and Sing Kumbaya.
No, it totally invalidates Endor and the whole Rebellion, because that "30 years of peace" has actually apparently just been the Empire still being the Empire in a huge fucking chunk of space and the rest of the galaxy left in a low chaotic simmer, only to lead to that "peace" seeing more death and destruction than the Clone Wars and Rebellion mashed together, capped off with Palpatine pulling a super-duper death fleet out of his Sith ass. The whole OT may as well have not happened at that point because Palpatine's death fleet was going to exist one way or another and the galaxy was unavoidably fucked in the meantime. Shit, that 30 years didn't even lead up to building a force that ended up being what was needed to fight Palpatine. The main Whatever the Fuck Government is in Charge Fleet got blown up in the first act of the farce, leaving the shitty Resistance fleet which then got pounded to nothing in the following movie.
Apparently all that did matter was one of Palpatine's clones bailing and then having the ultimate wunderkid of all wunderkids so she could pop by the war later and save everybody with the Power of Destiny which meant everything had to happen that way anyway. Everything else is just a big pile of getting people killed.
I must have imagined seeing 3 other people (and a mention of a fourth) overcoming death in some fashion prior to RoS, then.
Edit: I'm talking about force ghosts, if that wasn't clear.
Also, of the Heroes of Yavin, Han and Luke are both dead and Leia will be joining them halfway through the third movie, leaving just Chewie and the droids (and Wedge). And of them, only Luke (possibly) died anything like "content".
For example: Rey "killing" Chewie.
That would be a great TV cliffhanger, even if you show him alive right away to close out the episode. The characters would be able to have at least an episode or two to go through the ramifications/writing him off, etc. You could see what the First Order does to Chewie, he could have his own arc there, maybe showing Hux giving him the information in hopes/knowledge that someone would come rescue him. You would get to see how Rey handles that, how it effects her decision making going forward, if it brings her closer to Finn and Poe or drives them away. The bones of an amazing little story line are right there, but instead it's like a minute of drama and then we are rushing on.
It would depend if there was someone he could copy that realization from.
That probably would have been the smarter move, but leaving a galactic civil war dangling to be finished up on a fourth trilogy wouldn't have been very satisfying.
The point of leaving it as a sandbox would be to not finish up the war. It'd be a perpetually existing thing with bad guys who have Iconic(tm) triangular space ships and white-armored soldiers where people can set their stories in.
Also, it's not just movies. They could have tv shows, comics, books, video games set in the post TROS time frame.
My favorite counterstory for this is one Johnson tells to poke fun at himself, actually. IIRC, during the Last Jedi shoot he was rambling on to Carrie about Leia's recent history and her motivations and so on before another take of a scene, and when he was done she just said mildly, "Faster, more intense?" and he realized he'd been lecturing a whip-smart veteran actor who'd been playing the character probably since before he'd been in kindergarten.
So basically the same setting as just after RotS, but with nobody nearly as interesting as Vader or Palps around.
Post-TROS setting would have the advantage of not having a pre-determined endpoint the same way stories set in the OT period have.
If Plapatine had been a force ghost Abrams might have had a leg to stand on regarding his return.
Turns out Palpatine is unkillable. Did Rey actually kill him? We don't know!
You're right. That's why ESB is complete trash. Where did the whole force ghost thing come from? If only Ben had stayed a disembodied voice possibly heard or possibly imagined as in ANH, then ESB would have a leg to stand on.
And then in TROS the Emperor is kicking around and Luke is all like "I fucked up, can't really help any more, here's an Xwing have fun storming Exegol"
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His wayward "son" was supposedly a clone....
He has a jar full of Snokes indicating clone/full-fabrication facility...
What was Rey for again? He could've just cloned himself a few times and picked the best one to possess...right?
In the OT, Luke never asks Ben why he’s a ghost now.
I am loathe to do so, but I think it might be good for me to sit down with a big bowl of popcorn and my 8yo beside me watching TROS on D+. Maybe if can see it through his eyes, I might change my tune. Because he will definitely focus on the cool... while my old grumpy ass noticed the cool, but focused on the stupid as soon as the cool scenes ended.
If the force ghosts in ESB showed up at the start of the movie absolutely unchanged from their mortal form to replace Luke as the main protagonists yeah it'd be pretty awful.
*Claps hands*
It IS the Dark Empire argument!
I'm so happy.