hmm yeah this series is definitely aware of its subtext
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I mean at a certain point I think it just becomes text. Small print text, sure, but still text.
I'm always kinda fascinated by these sorts of stories that has like a massive Gay Subtext bear sitting right in the middle of the room, but because no other characters go "hey look, a bear" large swathes of the audience just never pick up on it, or think it's unintentional, or just fanservice. Like I started browsing through the reddit discussion threads at the time and maybe one out of a dozen posters were even picking up on it at all. It's not until like ep 5 or so that it even becomes a topic of contention.
Or then like watamote was in that zone for yeeeaaars, and now it's more in the forefront of the story... but also it's still never exactly been spelled out openly.
Or like season 1 of hibike euphonium
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
Protip if you're ever going to Fran for surgery: If she says the phrase "Well, it doesn't matter to me either way" then immediately abort. She's assuming you're fully aware of the ramifications of what you're asking her to do, and you most certainly are not.
hmm yeah this series is definitely aware of its subtext
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I mean at a certain point I think it just becomes text. Small print text, sure, but still text.
I'm always kinda fascinated by these sorts of stories that has like a massive Gay Subtext bear sitting right in the middle of the room, but because no other characters go "hey look, a bear" large swathes of the audience just never pick up on it, or think it's unintentional, or just fanservice. Like I started browsing through the reddit discussion threads at the time and maybe one out of a dozen posters were even picking up on it at all. It's not until like ep 5 or so that it even becomes a topic of contention.
Or then like watamote was in that zone for yeeeaaars, and now it's more in the forefront of the story... but also it's still never exactly been spelled out openly.
Or like season 1 of hibike euphonium
I mean I feel that is a natural consequence of big homophobia, especially among publishers. Although to be slightly fairer to Rakugo, it makes a lot more sense that the cast does not at all comment on it. Yakumo's sort of formative story takes place from maybe the 1930s to the very late 1950s at latest. There are a few characters who do seem to actually wonder about it, even if they never voice their "concern." Namely Bon/Sukaromu's master. When he comes back from the war he is visibly worried about the fact that Bon still hasn't really been showing any interest in women, and there's even a scene where I can almost see the question on his face before he brushes it off basically going "Bon, this kid I trained and who I feel is like a son for me, can't be gay. That just can't happen." But it's such a taboo that most characters, especially because Bon is liked, can't conceive it and the ones who have an inkling refuse to entertain the thought further.
And in the modern stuff/Yota's story Yakumo is old enough that he has a plausible excuse to not be interested in women.
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I once heard One Piece described as a long-running RPG campaign where everyone independently decided to make a joke character, and are each attempting to derail the campaign in entirely different ways at all times.
I only read like one arc, just so I'd understand the basics, but the part I always remember is half the crew on their ship desperately rushing to save the other half. But somehow they manage to wind up with some sea monster on board, and they're all distracted wanting to fight and/or eat it. Sanji yells at them to stop getting distracted, they have to focus on their mission, and everyone reluctantly calms down.
And then I turned the page and the next panel is Sanji immediately fighting the monster himself.
Re: My Next Life As A Villainess, I'm a little disappointed that she doesn't switch to Mean Girl OG Catarina mode sometimes, and perhaps use it for good somehow. It's absolutely fine as it is but I think it'd be a bit more interesting story if she were trying to avoid her doom flags while still having to, at least externally, act in-character to some degree, rather than just being a nice person and consequently everything aligning to her benefit with no drama. I guess that's a different kind of story though, it just wants to be a soft and warm, low-stress sort of story.
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Everyone rotates between straightman and cause of the joke.
She does use her Mean Girl expression to occasionally scare things away, but otherwise isn't interested in being the least bit villainous.
There is a spinoff manga called Hard Mode or something where she gets her memories back when she's already at the school instead of back when she was 8, and so she's in a much more precarious position.
"Okay everyone, time to sit down for our first session of this pirate themed D&D campaign. Lets start by introducing your characters."
"I'm literally rubber, also I can't swim and am using both wis and int as complete dump stats"
"I'm a swordsman, but with THREE swords. I also think int is a complete dump stat"
"I'm the worlds worst liar, and a coward. Yes I'm a ranger, how did you know?"
"I'm a lady thief with a dark mysterious past, but I'm not actually a rogue that's just my backstory. I'm a storm druid"
...some time passes
"I'm the cutest little reindeer paladin"
...
"I'm also a lady thief with a dark mysterious past, but I'm also not a rogue that's just my backstory. I'm a wizard."
...
"I'm a warforged barbarian. Also a pervert"
...
"Since I'm coming in later, I'm a former fighter that died and came back as a skeleton bard"
...
One Piece D&D would have a whole lot of "Okay, you take 20 points of damage, that takes your health to -5."
"Dang! Okay, I use Tiger Claw stance to..."
"What? Your health is a negative number, you start rolling death saves is what you do."
"I get that I'm in death state, but I'm telling you what my next attack is, if you'd listen!"
One Piece D&D would have a whole lot of "Okay, you take 20 points of damage, that takes your health to -5."
"Dang! Okay, I use Tiger Claw stance to..."
"What? Your health is a negative number, you start rolling death saves is what you do."
"I get that I'm in death state, but I'm telling you what my next attack is, if you'd listen!"
bold of you to assume zoro has ever once had to roll to stabilize
there's a webcomic that recontextualizes one piece as a D&D 3.5 game like that, using screencaps like darths and droids does for star wars
luffy and zoro are munchkins who slowly learn how to do more than murderhobo as the game goes on, Nami's into RP but not much of a powergamer, Usopp is a new player, etc.
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"Okay everyone, time to sit down for our first session of this pirate themed D&D campaign. Lets start by introducing your characters."
"I'm literally rubber, also I can't swim and am using both wis and int as complete dump stats"
"I'm a swordsman, but with THREE swords. I also think int is a complete dump stat"
"I'm the worlds worst liar, and a coward. Yes I'm a ranger, how did you know?"
"I'm a lady thief with a dark mysterious past, but I'm not actually a rogue that's just my backstory. I'm a storm druid"
...some time passes
"I'm the cutest little reindeer paladin"
...
"I'm also a lady thief with a dark mysterious past, but I'm also not a rogue that's just my backstory. I'm a wizard."
...
"I'm a warforged barbarian. Also a pervert"
...
"Since I'm coming in later, I'm a former fighter that died and came back as a skeleton bard"
...
hmm yeah this series is definitely aware of its subtext
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I mean at a certain point I think it just becomes text. Small print text, sure, but still text.
I'm always kinda fascinated by these sorts of stories that has like a massive Gay Subtext bear sitting right in the middle of the room, but because no other characters go "hey look, a bear" large swathes of the audience just never pick up on it, or think it's unintentional, or just fanservice. Like I started browsing through the reddit discussion threads at the time and maybe one out of a dozen posters were even picking up on it at all. It's not until like ep 5 or so that it even becomes a topic of contention.
Or then like watamote was in that zone for yeeeaaars, and now it's more in the forefront of the story... but also it's still never exactly been spelled out openly.
Or like season 1 of hibike euphonium
I mean, part of it is straiight up the fact that, very often, that people's standards for what "counts" are just SO much more ridiculously stringent when it comes to gay stuff.
A dude and a girl look at each other for two seconds and everyone assumes they're love interests but then you have actual supposed gay advocates decrying a show in which two girls live together and one literally pilots a mecha called White Lily (which given Japanese imagery is the rough equivalent of putting her in a mech that was just a giant lesbian pride flag) as "bait" that doesn't count because they... never kiss on screen?
hmm yeah this series is definitely aware of its subtext
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I mean at a certain point I think it just becomes text. Small print text, sure, but still text.
I'm always kinda fascinated by these sorts of stories that has like a massive Gay Subtext bear sitting right in the middle of the room, but because no other characters go "hey look, a bear" large swathes of the audience just never pick up on it, or think it's unintentional, or just fanservice. Like I started browsing through the reddit discussion threads at the time and maybe one out of a dozen posters were even picking up on it at all. It's not until like ep 5 or so that it even becomes a topic of contention.
Or then like watamote was in that zone for yeeeaaars, and now it's more in the forefront of the story... but also it's still never exactly been spelled out openly.
Or like season 1 of hibike euphonium
I mean I feel that is a natural consequence of big homophobia, especially among publishers. Although to be slightly fairer to Rakugo, it makes a lot more sense that the cast does not at all comment on it. Yakumo's sort of formative story takes place from maybe the 1930s to the very late 1950s at latest. There are a few characters who do seem to actually wonder about it, even if they never voice their "concern." Namely Bon/Sukaromu's master. When he comes back from the war he is visibly worried about the fact that Bon still hasn't really been showing any interest in women, and there's even a scene where I can almost see the question on his face before he brushes it off basically going "Bon, this kid I trained and who I feel is like a son for me, can't be gay. That just can't happen." But it's such a taboo that most characters, especially because Bon is liked, can't conceive it and the ones who have an inkling refuse to entertain the thought further.
And in the modern stuff/Yota's story Yakumo is old enough that he has a plausible excuse to not be interested in women.
I walked away to do some gardening and then I was trying to think of what I was actually trying to say with my last post. Homophobia and publisher censorship is obviously a huge part of it, but I don't think that's what makes it interesting. Obviously I'd prefer more realistic, openly queer anime. But I've also written before about how censorship shaped queer genres like yuri, limitations on speech can develop into their own stylizations of speech, and end up outlasting the censorship. And for some newer series that's kinda what it feels like. They're fully committing to wanting to tell a queer story, but if you don't pick up on it then it's just going to be your loss, they make no real effort to handhold the mainstream audience through what's really going on in the characters head. Especially with Rakugo Shinju, where everyone not talking about it / not having the vocabulary to talk about it feels like an important part of the emotional weight of the story. The gay subtext isn't being presented as like an optional reading of the text, it's not Top Gun. It's the intended story, and you're either understanding the full text or you're missing out on parts of the story, and that's how the author intends it.
Which I think is actually pretty interesting if you've got people telling queer stories and they're just like "if you don't get it then I don't care."
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A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
there's a webcomic that recontextualizes one piece as a D&D 3.5 game like that, using screencaps like darths and droids does for star wars
luffy and zoro are munchkins who slowly learn how to do more than murderhobo as the game goes on, Nami's into RP but not much of a powergamer, Usopp is a new player, etc.
One of my favorite bits in Grand Line 3.5 is that Sanji was meant to just be a random NPC chef on the Baratie, but the DM rolled something like three critical hits during the encounter with the asshole naval officer (he was supposed to get beat up by the officer) and the resulting knockout was too cool for him to not become a recurring character.
His name is “Sanji” because the DM had initially just called him “waiter #3” in his notes.
hmm yeah this series is definitely aware of its subtext
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I mean at a certain point I think it just becomes text. Small print text, sure, but still text.
I'm always kinda fascinated by these sorts of stories that has like a massive Gay Subtext bear sitting right in the middle of the room, but because no other characters go "hey look, a bear" large swathes of the audience just never pick up on it, or think it's unintentional, or just fanservice. Like I started browsing through the reddit discussion threads at the time and maybe one out of a dozen posters were even picking up on it at all. It's not until like ep 5 or so that it even becomes a topic of contention.
Or then like watamote was in that zone for yeeeaaars, and now it's more in the forefront of the story... but also it's still never exactly been spelled out openly.
there's a webcomic that recontextualizes one piece as a D&D 3.5 game like that, using screencaps like darths and droids does for star wars
luffy and zoro are munchkins who slowly learn how to do more than murderhobo as the game goes on, Nami's into RP but not much of a powergamer, Usopp is a new player, etc.
One of my favorite bits in Grand Line 3.5 is that Sanji was meant to just be a random NPC chef on the Baratie, but the DM rolled something like three critical hits during the encounter with the asshole naval officer (he was supposed to get beat up by the officer) and the resulting knockout was too cool for him to not become a recurring character.
His name is “Sanji” because the DM had initially just called him “waiter #3” in his notes.
Just checked it, and they're just in Alabasta
I'm guessing GM will hand off Sanji to a new player who wants to seduce everything and everyone, but the GM doesn't want that kind of thing in his table, so Sanji ends up looking stupid. And finally he'd be fed up with it and go "You know what? Fine. You want a nosebleed? You get a nosebleed. You get a nosebleed so bad your HP is zero and you have to make death saves for this entire island."
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Those are some very distinct noses the characters have.
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I'm always kinda fascinated by these sorts of stories that has like a massive Gay Subtext bear sitting right in the middle of the room, but because no other characters go "hey look, a bear" large swathes of the audience just never pick up on it, or think it's unintentional, or just fanservice. Like I started browsing through the reddit discussion threads at the time and maybe one out of a dozen posters were even picking up on it at all. It's not until like ep 5 or so that it even becomes a topic of contention.
Or then like watamote was in that zone for yeeeaaars, and now it's more in the forefront of the story... but also it's still never exactly been spelled out openly.
Or like season 1 of hibike euphonium
Protip if you're ever going to Fran for surgery: If she says the phrase "Well, it doesn't matter to me either way" then immediately abort. She's assuming you're fully aware of the ramifications of what you're asking her to do, and you most certainly are not.
I mean I feel that is a natural consequence of big homophobia, especially among publishers. Although to be slightly fairer to Rakugo, it makes a lot more sense that the cast does not at all comment on it. Yakumo's sort of formative story takes place from maybe the 1930s to the very late 1950s at latest. There are a few characters who do seem to actually wonder about it, even if they never voice their "concern." Namely Bon/Sukaromu's master. When he comes back from the war he is visibly worried about the fact that Bon still hasn't really been showing any interest in women, and there's even a scene where I can almost see the question on his face before he brushes it off basically going "Bon, this kid I trained and who I feel is like a son for me, can't be gay. That just can't happen." But it's such a taboo that most characters, especially because Bon is liked, can't conceive it and the ones who have an inkling refuse to entertain the thought further.
And in the modern stuff/Yota's story Yakumo is old enough that he has a plausible excuse to not be interested in women.
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it's a good song but that ed feels wildly out of place with the tone of the entire rest of the show
I only read like one arc, just so I'd understand the basics, but the part I always remember is half the crew on their ship desperately rushing to save the other half. But somehow they manage to wind up with some sea monster on board, and they're all distracted wanting to fight and/or eat it. Sanji yells at them to stop getting distracted, they have to focus on their mission, and everyone reluctantly calms down.
And then I turned the page and the next panel is Sanji immediately fighting the monster himself.
E: In One Piece
There is a spinoff manga called Hard Mode or something where she gets her memories back when she's already at the school instead of back when she was 8, and so she's in a much more precarious position.
"I'm literally rubber, also I can't swim and am using both wis and int as complete dump stats"
"I'm a swordsman, but with THREE swords. I also think int is a complete dump stat"
"I'm the worlds worst liar, and a coward. Yes I'm a ranger, how did you know?"
"I'm a lady thief with a dark mysterious past, but I'm not actually a rogue that's just my backstory. I'm a storm druid"
...some time passes
"I'm the cutest little reindeer paladin"
...
"I'm also a lady thief with a dark mysterious past, but I'm also not a rogue that's just my backstory. I'm a wizard."
...
"I'm a warforged barbarian. Also a pervert"
...
"Since I'm coming in later, I'm a former fighter that died and came back as a skeleton bard"
...
I should totally DM a one piece d&d campaign.
I did this with Metal Gear Solid once. It worked out pretty well.
"Dang! Okay, I use Tiger Claw stance to..."
"What? Your health is a negative number, you start rolling death saves is what you do."
"I get that I'm in death state, but I'm telling you what my next attack is, if you'd listen!"
bold of you to assume zoro has ever once had to roll to stabilize
luffy and zoro are munchkins who slowly learn how to do more than murderhobo as the game goes on, Nami's into RP but not much of a powergamer, Usopp is a new player, etc.
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I really want to buy one of their shirts, but also don't want to deal with ordering from Japan
EDIT: oh man, they added an option for international ordering, welp
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I’m a fish, I punch stuff
Oh, is this the skateboarding maid artist?
Yep, it is! Highly encourage everyone to check out this person's art if you are into either 1) skateboarding or 2) maids.
I mean, part of it is straiight up the fact that, very often, that people's standards for what "counts" are just SO much more ridiculously stringent when it comes to gay stuff.
A dude and a girl look at each other for two seconds and everyone assumes they're love interests but then you have actual supposed gay advocates decrying a show in which two girls live together and one literally pilots a mecha called White Lily (which given Japanese imagery is the rough equivalent of putting her in a mech that was just a giant lesbian pride flag) as "bait" that doesn't count because they... never kiss on screen?
I walked away to do some gardening and then I was trying to think of what I was actually trying to say with my last post. Homophobia and publisher censorship is obviously a huge part of it, but I don't think that's what makes it interesting. Obviously I'd prefer more realistic, openly queer anime. But I've also written before about how censorship shaped queer genres like yuri, limitations on speech can develop into their own stylizations of speech, and end up outlasting the censorship. And for some newer series that's kinda what it feels like. They're fully committing to wanting to tell a queer story, but if you don't pick up on it then it's just going to be your loss, they make no real effort to handhold the mainstream audience through what's really going on in the characters head. Especially with Rakugo Shinju, where everyone not talking about it / not having the vocabulary to talk about it feels like an important part of the emotional weight of the story. The gay subtext isn't being presented as like an optional reading of the text, it's not Top Gun. It's the intended story, and you're either understanding the full text or you're missing out on parts of the story, and that's how the author intends it.
Which I think is actually pretty interesting if you've got people telling queer stories and they're just like "if you don't get it then I don't care."
One of my favorite bits in Grand Line 3.5 is that Sanji was meant to just be a random NPC chef on the Baratie, but the DM rolled something like three critical hits during the encounter with the asshole naval officer (he was supposed to get beat up by the officer) and the resulting knockout was too cool for him to not become a recurring character.
His name is “Sanji” because the DM had initially just called him “waiter #3” in his notes.
whenever someone notices the bear:
Just checked it, and they're just in Alabasta
I'm guessing GM will hand off Sanji to a new player who wants to seduce everything and everyone, but the GM doesn't want that kind of thing in his table, so Sanji ends up looking stupid. And finally he'd be fed up with it and go "You know what? Fine. You want a nosebleed? You get a nosebleed. You get a nosebleed so bad your HP is zero and you have to make death saves for this entire island."