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[Magic The Gathering Arena] Kamigawa; where Keanu plays some sort of Cyborg Rat Ninja

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    LucedesLucedes might be real Registered User regular
    i just beat someone in sealed who activated their clever lumimancer literally every turn, it's just not good in limited even if it's insane in historic.

    would disagree on make your mark in general, i like it just fine, but it's not great without enough 2 drops to cast it on, hmmmm.
    it's better on turn 3 when you trade your first 2-drop for their first 2-drop after you cast a 2-drop leaving 1 up and sneak it in by surprise.
    really supports a tempo that deck just didn't seem to have.

    also pilgrim of the ages is a bomb card in limited control and dead in tempo, which is kinda rough.
    just had a pilgrim draw every plains in my deck, chump a daemogoth, and afterward help grind down a pair of 8/8 tokens for value.

    sealed is so slow as a format, like dang. if you don't get blessed by the surprise RW or WB aggro deck in your pool, build 3-color big value.
    i milled someone out once by activating cogwork archivist 4-5 times to stack my deck and just removing all their bombs :rotate:

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Oh right I have extra PR codes. Only three though so move fast!

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    Um.
    Thanks for the code?
    Guess I have to admit reinstalling a day ago though now.

    I would like to Eriska Chariot some fractals.
    But been just jamming Lurrus enchantment and limited so I don't fall down the optimisation loop again.

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    jmcdonaldjmcdonald I voted, did you? DC(ish)Registered User regular
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    Oh right I have extra PR codes. Only three though so move fast!

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    Thanks!

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    edited April 2021
    I think the problem with the optimisation loop was I'm trying to hit a moving target by not playing meta-decks.

    Like it was absolutely blatant with my RG land matters deck.
    Put Migratory Greathorn in, because mutate on landfall creatures and grabbing land seems good, and suddenly my deck is playing all the mutate decks.
    Remove that card, or play a different deck, and I don't see any mutate decks whatsoever.

    So I'm building decks for the meta I see, and that changes the meta, so I refactor, and I either burn out or build a deck that can beat 'itself' (as well as working well against metadecks).
    Like Lurrus disenchantment, which preys on other decks with small creatures that might run Lurrus.

    Building red aggro or something else meta is easier because the mirror is already predominate, and there's no surprises that need to be built around.

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    SurfpossumSurfpossum A nonentity trying to preserve the anonymity he so richly deserves.Registered User regular
    edited April 2021
    Some days you chain enchantments off Setessan Champions until you have fifteen cards in hand, exiling everything your opponent plays.

    Some days your opponent is stuck on two lands while you draw eight lands off a four land hand and then they dump their hand and kill you.

    Some days your opponent plays a Winota and you turn her into an elk.

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    discrider wrote: »
    I would like to Eriska Chariot some fractals.

    Why do you want to clone 0/0s?

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    Oh right

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    Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    I'm just stoned-playing my old Vamps deck from years ago with a few recent cards added and I have no idea why I keep winning game after game after game in Historic. I do not belong in gold! I am terrible at magic!
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    There was a steam sig here. It's gone now.
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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    Haha
    The glorious feels when 60 card removal deck has Ashiok, a 5/5 shark and another two others just spawned from Sharknado, and aa full grip from midnight clock, and I have but an Alseid and a Lurrus on board.
    But protection is hard, and so the Alseid protects the Lurrus through his turn so that the Lurrus can bring the Alseid back and protect the Lurrus from blue next turn.
    To do 3.
    Because the one turn I was allowed to do anything I stacked auras to hit face with a 15/* flyer and take them to 2.

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    Okay I got a weird draft, too many good cards came around and now I don't know how to build it.
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    Plargg is a flip that has a white side that is pretty good. Selfless Glyphweaver has a board wipe that is black on the back side. Combat Professor rules. But so does Beledros. Augmenter Pugilist is blue on the back and also very good.

    But the mana base is rooough. Do I just cut the white? Rebalance the land? halp

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    CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    I'm just stoned-playing my old Vamps deck from years ago with a few recent cards added and I have no idea why I keep winning game after game after game in Historic. I do not belong in gold! I am terrible at magic!
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    Mono black Vampires is actually a fairly top- tier deck in historic, though your list is a bit different. Hitting Plat is mostly about grinding out games, though.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Vanguard and Ebon legion alone

    rediculous

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    I continue to suck at drafting this set.

    Rogues continue to be bullshit

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I continue to suck at drafting this set.

    Rogues continue to be bullshit

    What particularly is giving you trouble?

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Okay I got a weird draft, too many good cards came around and now I don't know how to build it.
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    Plargg is a flip that has a white side that is pretty good. Selfless Glyphweaver has a board wipe that is black on the back side. Combat Professor rules. But so does Beledros. Augmenter Pugilist is blue on the back and also very good.

    But the mana base is rooough. Do I just cut the white? Rebalance the land? halp

    I think you do not have enough white to justify going full white and witherbloom is a much better splash and you need a couple more swamps to actually have a good chance of casting him

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    SurfpossumSurfpossum A nonentity trying to preserve the anonymity he so richly deserves.Registered User regular
    I built about half of a monoblack historic control deck because I'm a bad person.


    Boy howdy Ugin sure is a card, huh.

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    SurfpossumSurfpossum A nonentity trying to preserve the anonymity he so richly deserves.Registered User regular
    Also, free gold in the store today.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Ben playing around with this Winterbloom Sac deck still

    Dina and Vito are traps for this build.

    The real combo is duplicating the shit out of Plumb the Depths for Winterbloom Apprentice and Segmore Witch

    If you have a Bastian of remembrance out when you plumb the depth its more or less game over

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    CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    Surfpossum wrote: »
    I built about half of a monoblack historic control deck because I'm a bad person.


    Boy howdy Ugin sure is a card, huh.

    If people really wanted to win games, they'd wouldn't play decks that allow fun. It's their own fault, really.

    I recently made a fairly passable Crackle With Power deck. Dual Strike + Ierencrag Feat + Crackle = 20 damage to face. I threw some Chandras in there to try, and realized you can also win by popping her ultimate. I'm thinking of a GRx build with Vorinclex... maybe blue for counter spells?

    Also, Cathartic Reunion + Dual Strike is nuts.

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    SurfpossumSurfpossum A nonentity trying to preserve the anonymity he so richly deserves.Registered User regular
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    Surfpossum wrote: »
    I built about half of a monoblack historic control deck because I'm a bad person.


    Boy howdy Ugin sure is a card, huh.

    If people really wanted to win games, they'd wouldn't play decks that allow fun. It's their own fault, really.

    I recently made a fairly passable Crackle With Power deck. Dual Strike + Ierencrag Feat + Crackle = 20 damage to face. I threw some Chandras in there to try, and realized you can also win by popping her ultimate. I'm thinking of a GRx build with Vorinclex... maybe blue for counter spells?

    Also, Cathartic Reunion + Dual Strike is nuts.
    Day9 was playing that recently, it looked fun but pretty fragile.

    He was trying out LSV's Mizzix's Mastery + Emergent Ultimatum deck the other day and that just looked gross.

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    I continue to suck at drafting this set.

    Rogues continue to be bullshit

    What particularly is giving you trouble?
    Is not winning an acceptable answer? Not winning is giving me trouble :)

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    SurfpossumSurfpossum A nonentity trying to preserve the anonymity he so richly deserves.Registered User regular
    One of the funnier moments of my recent foray into historic was the first game against goblins. They were down to two Matrons on board and one card in hand, so I attacked with my Simulacrum, thinking there's no way they can hit back for 15 before I play Ugin next turn.

    Then they played that goblin that grabs goblins off the top of the deck and attacked for 20ish.


    The funniest moment was when I drew one of my recently crafted Ugins for the first time and my stomach instinctively tensed.

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    CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    edited April 2021
    My intense hatred for combo is overcoming my love of burn decks. Four games in a row where three copies of Crackle are in my bottom 30.

    One of the things I'm noticing playing Igneous Inspiration is that having Environmental Sciences when I'm mana starved is amazing in red, but also amazing is getting bolt something, and still have a card ready to pitch to Seize the Spoils/Thrill.

    Also trying to break First Day of Class with Mascot Exhibition, but not sure how to get 9 mana together. Galazeth has the neat ability of turning all your equipment into Mindstones. Goldvein Pick and Shadowspears are good picks, Mazemind Tome and Spare Supplies aren't awful. Something like Pick->Mazemind->Robber+equip->Galazeth->First Day of Class. Not great.

    Now that I think of it, FDoC->Lumimancer->Lesson isn't bad. That's probably the intended usage.

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    SurfpossumSurfpossum A nonentity trying to preserve the anonymity he so richly deserves.Registered User regular
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    My intense hatred for combo is overcoming my love of burn decks. Four games in a row where three copies of Crackle are in my bottom 30.

    One of the things I'm noticing playing Igneous Inspiration is that having Environmental Sciences when I'm mana starved is amazing in red, but also amazing is getting bolt something, and still have a card ready to pitch to Seize the Spoils/Thrill.

    Also trying to break First Day of Class with Mascot Exhibition, but not sure how to get 9 mana together. Galazeth has the neat ability of turning all your equipment into Mindstones. Goldvein Pick and Shadowspears are good picks, Mazemind Tome and Spare Supplies aren't awful. Something like Pick->Mazemind->Robber+equip->Galazeth->First Day of Class. Not great.

    Now that I think of it, FDoC->Lumimancer->Lesson isn't bad. That's probably the intended usage.
    Slot it into Big Izzet maybe? Using Magma Opus and whatever the other one is as ramp + alternate payoffs.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Been seeing lots of Winota decks last few days

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    XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    A streamer posted a Winota deck few days ago. Ergo.

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    edited April 2021
    Winota basically turned up again straight after Strix was released.
    Seemed to be a lot of Kor things in Strix to proc off.

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    Anyway, actually turned up to post:
    Ok, bought the emote bundle.
    Guy in the FNM play mode convinced me by reacting <MATH?> after proccing and losing an indestructible Resolute Rider to -2/-2

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    RanlinRanlin Oh gosh Registered User regular
    Also Blade Historian or whatever, the guy that gives double strike to everything, is an AMAZING human for winota triggers to hit.

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    LucedesLucedes might be real Registered User regular
    Been seeing lots of Winota decks last few days

    i'm interested in crafting winota because the manabase overlaps with the one i want for historic, and also she's a mythic which means she's cheap(er) than rares.
    and i opened four blade historians in sealed, so... the opportunity cost is fairly low.

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    CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    Lucedes wrote: »
    Been seeing lots of Winota decks last few days

    i'm interested in crafting winota because the manabase overlaps with the one i want for historic, and also she's a mythic which means she's cheap(er) than rares.
    and i opened four blade historians in sealed, so... the opportunity cost is fairly low.

    For some reason, Winota is banned in historic while Muxus runs free, so be careful of that.

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    Lucedes wrote: »
    Been seeing lots of Winota decks last few days

    i'm interested in crafting winota because the manabase overlaps with the one i want for historic, and also she's a mythic which means she's cheap(er) than rares.
    and i opened four blade historians in sealed, so... the opportunity cost is fairly low.

    For some reason, Winota is banned in historic while Muxus runs free, so be careful of that.

    Winota was banned in historic a while back when it was a much lower power format. They should probably unban her

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    DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    Looks like Strixhaven is a bit like Kaldheim, no major impacts to the standard meta so far?

    What is this I don't even.
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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    Looks like Strixhaven is a bit like Kaldheim, no major impacts to the standard meta so far?

    The standard meta is still largely defined by the stupidly powerful Eldraine and select cards from Ikoria and M21

    Rotation is going to completely upend the entire thing even more than usual

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    CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    Kaldheim is one of the best balanced sets they've released in a while. Even a lot of the draft chaff is pretty playable, and a lot of the Foretell cards are only slightly less good than their more played counterparts (Poison the Cup is great). Strixhaven, on the other hand, is pretty bleh. Lots of winners and losers.

    I'm glad the Adventure mechanic was made, but I think it's going to feel a lot more at home in Historic. Will also be glad to see Lurrus leaving and making Midrange viable again.

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    VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    Kaldheim is one of the best balanced sets they've released in a while. Even a lot of the draft chaff is pretty playable, and a lot of the Foretell cards are only slightly less good than their more played counterparts (Poison the Cup is great). Strixhaven, on the other hand, is pretty bleh. Lots of winners and losers.

    I'm glad the Adventure mechanic was made, but I think it's going to feel a lot more at home in Historic. Will also be glad to see Lurrus leaving and making Midrange viable again.

    I really hope Adventures in the Forgottem Realms has support for actual Adventures. Give Innkeeper some new tenants for a couple months.

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    navgoosenavgoose Registered User regular
    I wonder if the Forgotten Realms set will be pure lore and characters or if it will have any DnD meta.

    Like Drizzt, Gold Dragon, and magic missile cards or any Saving Throw, natural 20, or rules lawyer cards.

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    SurfpossumSurfpossum A nonentity trying to preserve the anonymity he so richly deserves.Registered User regular
    edited April 2021
    Today I learned that casting an 8 mana Blood on the Snow due to the second thing of Elspeth Saves the Day will not, in fact, let you get Ugin back.

    v disappointing.

    On the other hand, this deck has been tearing up the bo3 ladder. The only game it's lost so far in four bo3 matches was against an elf deck where all three Ugins were in the bottom 20 cards, and it turned around and slaughtered it the next two games.

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    Deck
    2 Tergrid, God of Fright (KHM) 112
    4 Solemn Simulacrum (M21) 239
    3 Duress (STA) 29
    2 Agonizing Remorse (STA) 24
    3 Mazemind Tome (M21) 232
    1 Cling to Dust (THB) 87
    1 Snow-Covered Forest (KHM) 285
    2 Umbral Juke (STX) 89
    3 Bloodchief's Thirst (ZNR) 94
    2 Kaya the Inexorable (KHM) 218
    2 Flunk (STX) 71
    3 Letter of Acceptance (STX) 256
    3 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon (M21) 1
    14 Snow-Covered Swamp (KHM) 281
    1 Professor Onyx (STX) 83
    1 Crawling Barrens (ZNR) 262
    3 Faceless Haven (KHM) 255
    1 Snow-Covered Plains (KHM) 276
    2 Blood on the Snow (KHM) 79
    3 Binding the Old Gods (KHM) 206
    4 Arctic Treeline (KHM) 249

    Sideboard
    3 Elspeth's Nightmare (THB) 91
    2 Crippling Fear (KHM) 82
    1 Professor Onyx (STX) 83
    1 Bloodchief's Thirst (ZNR) 94
    3 Heartless Act (IKO) 91
    3 Eliminate (STA) 30
    1 Duress (STA) 29
    1 Agonizing Remorse (STA) 24

    I'm not sure yet if I'm gonna go back to monoblack but I do love Kaya.

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    discriderdiscrider Registered User regular
    Surfpossum wrote: »
    Today I learned that casting an 8 mana Blood on the Snow due to the second thing of Elspeth Saves the Day will not, in fact, let you get Ugin back.

    v disappointing.

    .

    Is that because Ugin was exiled by Elspeth?

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